Redpill me on this graph

I always see /misc/tards spamming it. What is the scholarly consensus on it?
How come italy is high up for contributing some paintings in the “renaissance” but ancient people who laid the foundations of society and civilization aren't?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They'll claim that it is IQ that is the hidden variable, but the reality is that it is the invention of liberalism that is the true cause because liberal democracy is the only political system that allows a society to have peace and prosperity long enough for people to invent anything.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The entire thread and replies are of course mentally moronic. Rushton claimed Indonesia is white. Mods have joined homosexualry.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Then why are there no more groundbreaking inventions now that we have unprecedented peace?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        VR porn and blockchain tech is pretty advanced. You can make 1 million dollars in a week trading Bitcoin with high leverage. In the past you couldn't

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >why are there no more groundbreaking inventions

        wtf are you talking about?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Reality?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Then why are there no more groundbreaking inventions now that we have unprecedented peace?

            I notice that dumb, insulated people who don't work in research or tech or any important fields tend to think this.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Cope. You will never invent anything.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > British researched knows more significant British figures than French ones.
    Color me shocked.
    Why would anyone take this graph seriously?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This

      Is it any surprise that most Nobel Prize winners come from Sweden?

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Pantheon results for comparison. I don't see “big four”, Italy is Russia tier.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Japan and India
      This website is an even bigger joke.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        India is great mathematical power.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This one is for the earlier time period

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What the hell happened to greece?
        Also birthplace = ethnicity

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This one is for the earlier time period

      What is this website called?

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's fricking moronic, there's no way to count shit like that unless you have a society that meticulously records things like patents and authorship accurately over the century, which means most of the world AND most of the centuries accounted in the graph are giving you woefully incomplete data.
    Also the subjectivity inherent in deciding whether an event or individual or invention/work of art is significant is borderline on the level of what colour you like best.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >unless you have a society that meticulously records things like patents and authorship accurately over the century
      Would a society that does meticulously records things not be more likely to be responsible for the innovations in the first place?
      Record keeping and innovation are not separate variables. There were no societies that invented steam engines but just didn't feel like writing about it.
      > which means most of the world AND most of the centuries accounted in the graph are giving you woefully incomplete data.
      Data becomes less reliable the farther back you go, but why would that automatically favor Europe? Besides, the vast majority of human innovation comes from Europe after the 1500's when records were more reliable, you could attribute all innovations (even proven European ones) before that time to non-Europeans and it would still only move the percentage a few points.

      my issue is that it doesn't take population size into account. The ancient world had so many "significant figures in the scientific inventories", but the population size of all the mediterranean civilizations combined was smaller than modern Italy (or Britain, Germany, France).

      >my issue is that it doesn't take population size into account.
      That would just make India and China look worse.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        it would also make nations from classical antiquity look better

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This is full of fallacies and poorly made assumptions

        >Would a society that does meticulously records things not be more likely to be responsible for the innovations in the first place?

        By this assertion the data would necessarily be wrong and incomplete. Because if that was the case why are China and India not in the list as both regions are home to ancient civilizations with a long literary traditions, and in the case of the Chinese they were fanatical record keepers.

        >Record keeping and innovation are not separate variables. There were no societies that invented steam engines but just didn't feel like writing about it.

        Life is not a game of Civilization. You do not advance up a tech tree; inventions and technologies are discarded and forgotten all the time for whatever reason.

        >Data becomes less reliable the farther back you go, but why would that automatically favor Europe? Besides, the vast majority of human innovation comes from Europe after the 1500's when records were more reliable, you could attribute all innovations (even proven European ones) before that time to non-Europeans and it would still only move the percentage a few points.

        Ridiculous. Firstly, it would not favor Europe. Secondly, what possible data do you even have to support the assertion that most innovations came from Europe other than this poorly constructed graph?

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Germanic Europe & Germanic America vs Latin Europe & Latin America.
    Would southern Europe be better off if south America was pure southern European instead of mixed mutts?

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Even if I accepted this as true on its face, I have no reason to care about it. Literally why should I care?

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    my issue is that it doesn't take population size into account. The ancient world had so many "significant figures in the scientific inventories", but the population size of all the mediterranean civilizations combined was smaller than modern Italy (or Britain, Germany, France).

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Here's the redpill on your graph

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I've looked at this graph for a long time and I don't get it. I even reverse searched it and still don't understand.
      Please can someone explain this to me? I am mentally slow and need a very simplistic answer

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I believe it's saying that progress shouldn't be compared on an absolute scale, and that white supremacists ignore this to embellish the truth of their claims.
        Basically, the effort and genius required to invent the wheel for a prehistoric cave-dweller is being claimed as much greater than the effort and genius required to invent the automobile for a 19th century industrial baron. Progress depends on many things, like population size, the economy allowing for inventions to take place and for inventors to sustain themselves, previous inventions, how well educated the population is, etc.
        As such, the author claims that white people only had such a technological growth because they where standing on the shoulder of giants, that is, they had a society that had evolved to the point where it could reach the industrial revolution due to past technological and societal inventions. Once said event happened, this past knowledge could be used to further increase their knowledge and create an exponential technological growth. If correctly scaled for this, the author claims that the achievements of the white people were normal and the natural expected results for the situation they found themselves in, not the result of white intelectual superiority.
        Is he right? idk it's hard to measure this stuff and it's not like we have many independent data points to actually draw conclusions, for all we know white people might have squandered their position or might have pulled a miracle.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          To elaborate on the "shoulder of giants" part, those giants are the people who perfected society and all the arts involved, like agriculture, manufacturing, metallurgy and such, who might be from an entirely different ethnicity.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >I am mentally slow and need a very simplistic answer
        Basically it's saying that progress builds onto itself at an exponential rate, so ranking nationalities based on quantity of inventions is stupid because it takes as much effort to create 6 technologies when you start with 3 as it takes to create 72 when you start with 9, thus you shouldn't rank the people who invented 72 more techs higher than their ancestors who invented 6 of the 9 they started with.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It uses citations as a metric, which were most common for modern individuals and were extremely few in ancient works since ancient works were limited too. Meanwhile you had 200 papers on 1-2 inventions full of citations not so long ago

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Laughably bad

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the scholarly consensus on it?
    The ancient world is Julius Caesar. Europe is Octavian.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      what

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's a crude way to quantify something that should be so obvious as to go without saying.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >social sciences

    lmao. there's your redpill.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's like those graphs of terrorism that start in 2002 where they leave out any Muslim accomplishments and say that white guys are responsible for everything

  14. 2 years ago
    DoctorGreen

    >human accomplishment
    Calling the domestication of humans "Human Accomplishments" is pretentious.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The number of morons who take that at face-value is pathetic. "Ah well, it says Significant Figures, so that's totally what it's objectively measuring."
    >How come italy is high up
    The source for basically all his data is number of references in different Western encyclopedias. He even admitted at points that his framework (like tracking named composers/musicians) was not remotely universally applicable, and that many regions were simply excluded from any consideration.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >number of references in different Western encyclopedias
      This being a source for that.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The number of morons who take that at face-value is pathetic. "Ah well, it says Significant Figures, so that's totally what it's objectively measuring."
        >How come italy is high up
        The source for basically all his data is number of references in different Western encyclopedias. He even admitted at points that his framework (like tracking named composers/musicians) was not remotely universally applicable, and that many regions were simply excluded from any consideration.

        And here's his source list for Chinese and Japanese art. The only two non-Western cultures with art, according to the Weeb who wrote it.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How do they define "significant figures" and "significant events"?
    Those are such vague and broad terms that any attempt at counting them will most likely be biased as frick.

    Also
    >Percentage of all persons mentionned
    >Goes up to 600%
    Is that an ironic image?

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit people are uneducated as frick. The vast majority of inventions came from the ancient greeks (yes, even the steam engine in alexandria) and also from ancient egypt and some from mesopotamia. Many inventions were lost after the fall of the ancient greek/roman civilization (476 was just the final destruction of the state, the ancient greeek/roman civilization died much earlier as it was entirely transformed when it's cultural foundations were destroyed first by the roman state and then by christianity, in the same way that the great western civilization of XV - XX centuries are dead now and the current western culture is transformed beyond recognition).

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Greece was a little blip, but the vast majority of innovations were from the renaissance onwards. Greece didn't even have the windmill, printing press or mechanical clock. They did not have the saddle tree, horse collar, stirrup or heavy plow either, which meant agriculture and the economy was very limited.Then when the renaissance came around it exploded, Italian mathematicians solved a plethora of ancient puzzles the Greeks could not, inventors and engineers worked their way up, through cannons, wind powered sawmills and the like to steam engines. Actual functioning steam engines with pistons that could pump water out of mines not the toy the Greeks had.

      Can we lay the fricking aeolipile meme to rest?

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Europe was ahead of the curve in the 15th century and remained ahead of the curve for 500 years until modern technology spread itself to every corner of the globe, even so western countries are still the most developed and are still at the center of scientific and technological advancement, so it comes as no surprise the vast majority of scientific advancements were made by Europeans.

    This does not mean Europeans are inherently 50 times superior, there are various other factors at play. An analogy might be the dotcom bubble. There were many talented programmers and web designers, but people only need 1 search engine, 1 social media site, 1 video site, once one increased in popularity it snowballed and became the premier service of this kind. It was similar with technology, Europe just needed to have decent geography and be the first to develop key advancements and it began a feedback loop centered in Europe until jet travel and telecommunications spread technology across the globe making geographical location less relevant.

    If Europeans have any inherent superiorities, this is poor evidence of it. Better to look at academic achievement, genetics and so on.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of their definitions are pathetically general.
    >I invented gravity
    Any moron can see gravity exists.
    >lighting
    There is evidence ancient civilizations had that as well.
    >penicillin
    Most bullshit invention ever.
    >steam engine
    Europe had coal.
    >spinning Jenny/trivial mechanical devices
    Arabs invented a bunch of water and wind tech that did the same thing.
    >tooth brush
    >wall plug
    A lot of these are hopelessly basic or combined with other inventions.
    99% of European inventions are due to history books writing down every trivial event that happened.

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