>r1b is the most common haplogroup in armenians. >they have zero to none steppe ancestry, even lower than arabs

>r1b is the most common haplogroup in armenians
>they have zero to none steppe ancestry, even lower than arabs

how come? seems like very few group of EVROPEAN men decided to raid south caucasus and kill most churka men and replaced the paternal line.

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The armenoid race is just that strong

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >J 35%
    >R1b 25%
    right

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      which J is 35%?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        J2

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's probably R1b from farmers like those Iberian farmers had

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >R1b from farmers like those Iberian farmers had
      that went extinct in europe after steppe invaders raped the farmers

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        In Europe but probably not in Armenia
        Armenians do have steppe ancestry though

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Armenians do have steppe ancestry though
          even Iraqi Arabs have 3,4 times higher steppe ancestry than Armenians.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You can't use G25 to determine that because unlike real tools like qpAdm it doesn't prevent overfitting

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      German farmers had R1b too and Scandinavian farmers

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's not V88, it's Yamnaya Z2103.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but they were all wiped out

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's an ancient connection between the Armenoid phenotype (Yamnaya) and r1b. R1b is not originally European so it wasn't European men like you say.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    A striking signal of steppe migration into the Southern Arc is evident in Armenia and northwest Iran where admixture with Yamnaya patrilineal descendants occurred, coinciding with their 3rd millennium BCE displacement from the steppe itself. This ancestry, pervasive across numerous sites of Armenia of ~2000-600 BCE, was diluted during the ensuing centuries to only a third of its peak value, making no further western inroads from there into any part of Anatolia, including the geographically adjacent Lake Van center of the Iron Age Kingdom of Urartu.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >evident in Armenia
      No
      >and northwest Iran
      Yes

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Can you compare syrians, lebanese, and iraqis?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Nice does this work for nafris and egyptians too?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            surprised the egyptians have so much chg and lack iberomaurusian

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They don't, it's just that his models are shit. Better to look at some real studies.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            your pointless crying makes you look moronic

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Egyptians having 0 Iberomarusian is pretty moronic

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Iberomaurusians never lived near Egypt

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            This

            Egyptians having 0 Iberomarusian is pretty moronic

            surprised the egyptians have so much chg and lack iberomaurusian

            IBM never reached egypt
            They lived only in the maghreb

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Useless overfitted """""models"""""

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes and yes. It's about ancient samples.

    >was diluted during the ensuing centuries to only a third of its peak value

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Look up Khndzoresk village in Armenia
    >Surprisingly, most of the villagers have been found to belong to Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b, specifically to a Western European branch of L754 > L389 > P297 > M269 > L23 > L51 > L52 > L151 > P312 > DF27 > Y3267 > Y7365 > Y28672 > Y7363 > Y41095 > Y41710 > Y42667.Closest Europeans from France. As of November 2021 the closest common ancestor of these French and Khndzoresk people lived about 1150 years ago. Origins are being explored in a Y-DNA project with the company FamilyTreeDNA.

    Also they were literally living in caves.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >closest common ancestor of these French and Khndzoresk people lived about 1150 years ago.
      >about 1150 years ago.
      So literally soldiers from Europe came to defend Armenia against Turks and Arabs, but they ended up like this? holy kek

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Can't tell if soldiers, or merchants, or maybe even catholic preachers. They could be from Cilicia which had cultural ties with Catholic Europe, so their ancestors fled to "mainland" Armenia after fall of Cillicia and ended up in Syunik.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Syunik have clearly more Steppe admixture than other parts of Armenia tho

          But your scenerio makes sense, those invidual or little demogprahic changes are possible, just like that you can find Armenian/Assyrian paternalsides in Western Europe, with the same logic behind it. Armenian/Assyrian preachers, soldiers, merchants etc.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Can you try ethiopians and somalis?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            i must say fit value is pretty shitty for this one, i have no idea what should i put for african populations as a source

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            remove mota add dinka and chg

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Why do you use levantPPNB instead of natufian?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            natufian is too old, using the samples of the same timeline is better for the most of the time
            also changing levant_ppnb to natufian won't change too much

            remove mota add dinka and chg

            fit value is still 6+ when i add dinka, chg is always there, seems like calculator didn't pick it up

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            now remove ppnb add natufian and barcin

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            > Syunik have clearly more Steppe admixture than other parts of Armenia tho
            That's because various Scythian tribes settled there.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This is a different thing altogether. They are clearly descendants of some Europeans. Most Armenians have Z2103, not DF27 which is of Iberian Beaker origin.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Armenian and Basque are very related especially in nature names (old rivers, mountains and similar). Even some armenian and basques look alike (especially the bump of the nose which is also common in basques).

        I am pretty sure that ancient armenian and people from Caucasus IBERIA are the root for Iberians and especially basques, cantabrians, etc.

        This basque with the typical basque nose bump could probably pass as armenian.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          And Basques also have the most R1b....could be connection between them

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          holy schizo..

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Basque people have large noses because of 'dinarization', that's common among mountain folks. Montenegrins and other southern Balkanites tend to have big noses, too.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I don´t think the mountains play a role in the growing of the nose.

            It could be that ancient people (armenians that arrived in ancient times in Iberia) went to live to the mountains because it was more protected from possible attacks. So the relationship is there: ancient Europeans had bumpy noses in mountain areas because they are old stock caucasus people.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >went to live to the mountains because it was more protected from possible attacks
            mountain Black folk are cowards.
            steppes for real men while mountains for cowards.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            similarly forests are for ultra cowards while plains are for real men

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            is it because air in mountains is rarified?

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Does it matter? They are mutted up like most people in and around middle east.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What are thoughts on the godly N1G3-2R haplo group

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      what's that

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