"So woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn." (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:79)
"And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture.
And they say, "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know." (Surah Ali Imran 3:78)
Now we know the Gospels were written by men taking inspiration from Homer and Virgil. Writing the book with their own hands for some worldly gain.
Islam has been saying for 1445 years that the bible was changed and written by people who wanted to gain some worldly thing for it.
Yet you people want to believe in Christianity because "muh western civilization"? Is Hell not a great destination for the prideful?
The original Gospel is lost. The original Torah is lost. All we have is the books of those who sold the religion for a paltry price.
That's right akhi. It's just a book written by men.
tl;dr
The quran is just a cheap rip off of the bible mixed with pajeet paganism.
Unwisw for you to reject the last and most perfect gospel
>most perfect
"Have you thought of al-Lāt and al-'Uzzá? And about the third deity, Manāt?"
You can't be this stupid? Read literally the sentences surrounding it
>the last and most perfect gospel
"Thus Spoke Zarathustra"?
Uhm sweety Zarathustra didn't actually gospelize in there
Gospel means "good news" yes?
>Now we know the Gospels were written by men
just like your book
https://www.docdroid.net/xEpGo8u/phd-in-islam-darktheme-pdf#page=3
Eat shit
Yes, Muslims are currently out to get you. Nevermind us israelites, goyim.... The Middle East needs more homosexuals
>Qur'an is right about the Bible
Indeed and the Quran says the Bible is authentic.
https://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Bible/index.html
yes this is a polemical website, but what they say in this case is true
On the Qur'an saying:
>None can change the Word of Allah
The interpretation that the Qur'an is somehow suggesting that the Bible is authentic and wholly reliable conflicts with numerous clear verses:
>woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands
> who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture.
And they say, "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah
Therefore, this interpretation is incorrect. The correct interpretation is this: though they write Scripture with their own hands and claim it is from God, the Word of God itself does not change, they only change what the people believe in.
The true prophecies left in the Bible, the known and unknown therein, will doubtless come true even if they corrupt the Bible
On the Qur'an saying:
>Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein
The Qur'an contradicts the Gospels on some major points:
>Jesus didn't claim to be God
>Jesus was never crucified
This means, those parts of the Gospels are not revealed by God. In a way, the Qur'an tells Christians to investigate their own Bible. Namely, did Jesus ever directly claim to be God? No. And did the disciples witness a crucifixion? No, the gospels say they were absent. The Qur'an wants us to connect the dots, and discern falsehood from truth in the Gospels, through textual analysis and logic
The Gospels don't say Jesus is God, and the Quran verse saying Jesus wasn't crucified is ambiguous and can be reconciled with the Gospel.
>with their tongues
Yeah, that's their flawed interpretation, not a writing you idiot.
>>woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands
That's the one and only Quran verse claiming the Bible has been directly altered in some way, against dozens confirming its authenticity, so it must mean the alterations are minor. You'll have to do a lot better than that if you aim to convince anyone sincere, but you're wholly unprepared.
>The Gospels don't say Jesus is God
"The Word was a God" (John 1), bear in mind, these are the authors words, not Jesus'. John never claimed to be inspired
>Jesus wasn't crucified is ambiguous
The Qur'an is very clear: "They did not kill him, they did not crucifiy him". The Gospels are very clear: Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected
>Yeah, that's their flawed interpretation, not a writing you idiot.
I will not dignify this with a response. But try to look up: literacy in the first century
>wholly unprepared
You can't cherrypick verses of the Qur'an just as I can't cherrypick the Bible. You must at least have a coherent narrative and explanation for every contradiction and every verse. Example:
>The absence of the Disciples during the Crucifixion implies that the Disciples didn't teach a crucifixion. The Gospel writers tried to push the narrative that the Disciples forsook Jesus
You have no explanation for the contradictions of your understanding of that verse with others, which implies you did not research the matter enough
>The Word was a God
Yes and? The word "god" does not necessarily refer to God or a divine being in the Bible, see Exodus 7:1.
>The Qur'an is very clear
There are several ways you can interpret this differently but you lack the intellectual capacity required to do so (as evidenced by your pic, you're a fine exemple of a retard thinking he has much insight).
>literacy in the first century
Retard, do you know what SCRIBES were?
>blablabla disciples
>implying you'd believe if they were present at the crucifixion
Stop lying, you're arguing in bad faith. They fled because they feared for their lives, fulfilling a prophecy, and Jesus did not confront them about making anything up afterwards, and God giving someone else the appearance of Jesus is the most self-defeating cope you can come up with.
0/20, total Dunning Kruger effect at work. It's because of genuine retards like you that muslim nations suffer so much
Or Muhammad just had no access to the gospels and assumed their contents. Hmmm..
>Muhammad just had no access to the gospels
How can Muhammad mess up Christians taking Jesus as God, when that's all that Christians ever say about Jesus, that they eat his flesh and sustain themselves from him? Nevermind the fact that the Qur'an directly addresses the alleged divinity of Jesus several times
1. Andrew G. Bannister, An Oral-Formulaic Study of the Qur'an, Lexington Books, 2014.
http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=5520C3185D98CC5A444889843A4D59ED
2. David S. Powers, Muhammad is Not the Father of Any of Your Men: The Making of the Last Prophet, University of Pennsylvania Press, 2011.
http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=1FF9650A9B54B4E6FC5A34E865330E93
3. Joseph Schacht, The Origins of Muhammadan Jurisprudence, Oxford University Press, 1950.
http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=A9B99D774F2DBA037A34DE8C1E9393F9
4. Keith Small, Textual Criticism and Qur'an Manuscripts, Lexington Books, 2012.
http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=6A2A299A52C1E6EF6C1CE0720FC3B3A8
The first explains how the Qur'an was composed orally by Muhammad using standard techniques of oral performers. The second shows how the Qur'an was altered and how early Islamic history was retconned in order to secure Muhammad's status as the last prophet. The third, although flawed, dealt a severe blow to the authenticity of hadith science from which it has never recovered. The fourth falsifies absolute preservation of the Qur'an.
No one cares, this is off topic and retarded.
INTRODUCTION
Tom Holland - In the Shadow of the Sword (2012)
Gabriel Said Reynolds - The Emergence of Islam: Classical Traditions in Contemporary Perspective (2012)
Sean Anthony - Muhammad and the Empires of Faith: The Making of the Prophet of Islam (2020)
EMERGENCE OF ISLAM
Patricia Crone, Michael A. Cook - Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World (1977)
John Wansbrough - The Sectarian Milieu: Content and Composition of Islamic Salvation History (1978)
Yehuda D. Nevo, Judith Koren - Crossroads to Islam: The Origins of the Arab Religion and the Arab State (2003)
Fred M. Donner - Muhammad and the Believers: At the Origins of Islam (2010)
David S. Powers - Muhammad is Not the Father of Any of Your Men: The Making of the Last Prophet (2011)
Stephen J. Shoemaker - The Death of a Prophet: The End of Muhammad's Life and the Beginnings of Islam (2011)
QURAN
Andrew G. Bannister - An Oral-Formulaic Study of the Qur'an (2014)
Carlos A. Segovia - The Quranic Noah and the Making of the Islamic Prophet (2015)
Carlos A. Segovia - The Quranic Jesus: A New Interpretation (2018)
Keith E. Small - Textual Criticism and Qur’an Manuscripts (2011)
Shahab Ahmed - Before Orthodoxy: The Satanic Verses in Early Islam (2017)
Stephen J. Shoemaker - Creating the Qur’an: A Historical-Critical Study (2022)
HADITH
Joseph Schacht - Origins of Muhammadan Jurisprudence (1979)
G. H. A. Juynboll - Muslim Tradition: Studies in Chronology, Provenance and Authorship of Early Hadith (1983)
Herbert Berg - The Development of Exegesis in Early Islam: The Authenticity of Muslim Literature from the Formative Period (2000)
IMPACT OF ISLAM
Avner Greif - Institutions and the Path to the Modern Economy: Lessons from Medieval Trade (2006)
Timur Kuran - The Long Divergence: How Islamic Law Held Back the Middle East (2010)
Ahmet T. Kuru - Islam, Authoritarianism, and Underdevelopment: A Global and Historical Comparison (2019)
The Truth About the Quran | Harvard Professor Shady Nasser
Diaspora arabs with no beards have axes to grind. More news at eleven
Shady Nasser should not be taken seriously:
Crazy that there are ACADEMICS whose sole careers are based upon discrediting Islam
>its another character assassination hitpiece by Islamic apologist No. 533
Shady Nasser: The Transmission of the Qur'an, Variant Readings, and Qur'anic Grammar
The Quran | Origins and Canonization With Dr. Shady Nasser
Is The Quran Really A Miracle? Dr. Shady Nasser
How Muslim Scholars Standardized the Qur'an | Prof. Shady Nasser
>Quran is a linguistic miracle. You would clearly see it, if only you could read it in the original Arabic.
>didn't impress the majority of pagan Meccans
yeah, about that
>didn't impress the majority of pagan Meccans
???
You mean they converted with swords at their throats. Woah, this sure proves that the Quran is a linguistic miracle. Alhamdulillah!
Do not delude yourself. A people as stubborn as the Arabs would not unite around a fleeting Ideology and text.
The Qur'an literally changed Arabic grammar and vocabulary, it turned Arabs from barefooted illiterate poet-knights into a literate cultured and imperial society. it must pain you people to admit the great victory and success of Islam, and you wish to undermine it in any way you can, when we Muslims only wish you to be guided!
>poet-knights
Simping was never that hard.
So you concede that the Quran is not a linguistic miracle, okay.
Muhammed literally bowed before OT/Torah and kissed it when israelites were visiting him.
>There's too much classical life-affirming poetry in my Semitic scriptures!
>Where are the goatfuckers? The child brides? The mass enslavement?
>Where's the kajillion retarded claims?
Also, hadith.