What are your thoughts on the potentialities of psychedelic substances with respect to spirituality and thought? I personally find that the implications they hold in relation to consciousness to be fascinating; they truly dispute the dogma of realism and materialism.
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It's very cliché to say "I didn't believe in a higher power until I took LSD" or other such variations. However, its somewhat merited for people to take DMT or something and say "MY imagination isn't equipped to come up with this stuff" (projection, on my part) but ultimately I've had dreams which made me think the same thing. I've dreamed of myself 'failing' trick questions which my own brain obviously conjured up for my own brain. Maybe psychedelics can accelerate/instigate that subconscious-conscious transfer but I would hesitate to attribute anything mystical to psychedelics that I wouldn't also attribute to a run-of-the-mill sober brain
I personally see most of the spiritual implications of psychedelics, at least those that coincide with doctrines, as a kind of reaffirmation of cultural dogma, dogma which lays at rest in our unconscious due to our conscious attitude of neglect in relation to them.
Most of the new age spirituality is really pagan or Christian in spirit, with the decor of eastern and psychedelic mysticisms; people don’t even understand the nature of their most sacred and elevated values.
I believe this layer to be very limited for that reason; it shows us very little that is genuinely novel based on exploration of a completely new type of consciousness. Given that a person can peer through this cultural layer, peeling off unconscious doctrines and assumptions, we can reach a higher domain of perception, in which truly novel phenomena reveals itself; here one is faced with truly challenging experiences, challenges to our cultural dogmas as well as our own subjective dogmas and assumptions about reality as a whole. I think that this level of psychedelic exploration is where the points of interest are really revealed, and where one really can begin to pose very difficult problems to all of our assumptions about reality, religion, spirituality and the imagination. Most people tend to prefer to stay cozy and comfortable within the reaffirming nature of the experience, effectively using psychedelics as a self help tool.
I think you got a point. Although they are (as much as i deteste thsiw word) transcendental in a means of overcomping obstacles. Their self-help nature can be applied throught the whole "mandala" of the world. It applies in the same way to the individual as much as to the society. Given they show you the real nature of the world every known border falls down, interpersonal or intercontinental. The worst thing about them is that they can generate a mystical aura around their possibilities thus opening the doors either for amazement or ridicule from the general public. Hence the existence of "new age" ridicules even when the basis fot that idea is very much true.
>Maybe psychedelics can accelerate/instigate that subconscious-conscious transfer but I would hesitate to attribute anything mystical to psychedelics
Wait until you figure out that the subconscious-conscious transfer IS what mysticism is. Reality is psychical.
>the subconscious-conscious transfer IS what mysticism is
Not OP but could you elaborate at all? The transfer of what??
The subconscious is also sometimes referred to as the preconscious, this is a more accurate description. It's how the higher self(the higher dimensional meta-(you)), communicates with you. The key phrase in what I said is that reality is psychical. There are many metaphysical/ occult implications to that realization. When you clear dissonance between you and the higher self, that is what we call enlightenment.
I find the idea fascinating, and it's definitely in line with what I've been reading recently (like this attached quote from Napoleon Hill).
I also was reading from Peter Carroll's Liber Null & Psychonaut, and of course one of the basic hermetic principles:
>The principle of mentalism. "The All is Mind; the Universe is Mental."
I feel like it's such a huge idea and I'm only beginning to really grasp it or understand all the implications, like you said.
Do you have any personal recommendations in the form of books or authors to check out? As it relates to this idea
No, I don't really read anymore. Information usually finds me if I "need" it. Direct experience is should always be prime. Language and ideas are containers, they become vestigial the more tuned in you become.
It's very wave-particle-esque. The more you try to cordon off pieces of the whole in concepts and ideas the more overwhelming and incomprehensible the relations required to understand them are. Instead decomposing wave into particle, just ride in alignment with the wave. It seems counter-intuitive, it makes more sense the less you live in the shadow of other's perceptions and ideas.
Not that anon.
THRICE GREATEST HERMES by GRS Mead
thanks for the recommendation! will look it up
>Information usually finds me if I "need" it.
I've also had similar thoughts to that as well. Like if something was absolutely important for me to know it would come about naturally, and I don't have to go to a library for example and go searching through 1000 books for something meaningful to me.
That said it's been good for me to gain some footing at least, because these ideas are so much different than typical science or religion seem to offer.
>Direct experience is should always be prime.
Definitely agree. Just a matter of learning how to interpret and work with the experiences
I might have a few suggestions for things to chew on. Lacan(symbolic, imaginary, Real), deleuze and guattari(libidinal flows,etc), Alfred North whitehead(process philosophy), and maybe the law of one ra material. Take it as you will, use what you find useful.
>Take it as you will, use what you find useful.
Absolutely, really appreciate the recommendations. What you suggested doesn't sound basic or simple (from what I've heard of them).....but I will see what I can process.
Extremely valuable - I recommend any hard case nooby wallowing in their angst and despair to go out and take a heroic dose of shrooms.
The best results from staring at your reflection in a mirror in a small room (such as your bathroom) with lights off.
>The best results from staring at your reflection in a mirror in a small room (such as your bathroom) with lights off.
You serious? Why this would give anyone anything else than paranoia and traumatic memories?
Yes I'm serious and I speak as someone who has done it.
Let's just say I emerged a different being than the one who went in through the door.
Very memorable and extremely kino and I highly recommend it.
they are alive and infinitely older than you. they bend you to their will and if you prove to be a good host allow you to help them propagate and add more minds into their fold.
It is funny how everyone portrais them as wise and old. Do you think it has to do with the percieved attainment of knowledge thus our time-wired brains generally see this as "receiving wisdom" even when time is relative? And the "time-wired" brain is used to receiving knowledge mostly from the elders leading to us thinking the spirit is of some gender/age even when it isn't.
i have been working with Ethnogens for 9 years now. I would say that psychedelics strip away the layers of culture that language provides and allows the brain to return to thinking in images. One time I had the story of the Three Kings laid out before me in the theater of my mind. Another time I was taught the value of water.
The most common interaction seems to be that I am removed from this plane, am transported "Somewhere", where various entities will try and play "Games" with me, that always result in uncontrollable laughter.
My friend however had a meeting with five grim reapers, and they told him the days that all of Us (our friend group) would die, and they tortured him for what he says felt like eons. So YMMV.
>I was taught the value of water.
Please do share
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Nothing surprises me anymore. Nothing. The first Alan Wake really jaded me
Completely useless aside from that first breakthrough. But if you enjoy being forever a stupid hippie "shaman" stoner, then go ahead
>Completely useless aside from that first breakthrough.
What you mean by first breakthrough, you mean DMT? Why the first matters but not the next?
You too feel like there is a breakthrough point in consuming them?
Before ingesting DMT I thought they just simply stack the effects indefinetely. After my first breakthrough on DMT the similar mechanism was instantly observed when ingesting a larger than small amount of mushrooms. Interesting.
it doesn't dispute materialism or realism, it's just your brain reacting to new chemicals in an interesting way
All negativity in life is your darker half created from a split second of narcissism you felt when you were just source
Nobody will respond to this because they want to narcissistically pat themselves on the back with wordy concepts. Too busy over explaining what can be explained in a few sentences
It's a fun exercise.
Simple Egyptian Chad vs Wordy Greek Philosophizing Beta