Patton was a glorified joke

>"The Germans considered the island undefendable and their Italian allies useless: Facing superior numbers, German forces still managed to put up a successful defensive battle, allowing them to get 60,000 men plus heavy weapons across to the mainland, thanks to “relatively weak” delaying forces.
>The German commanders were not impressed by Patton’s drive to Palermo, which involved territory they had already given up. Nor were they overawed by the American performance.
>This view was most starkly presented by John Ellis in Brute Force, a comprehensive assessment of the Allied effort in World War II against Germany and Japan, which reduces Patton to some sort of a glorified traffic cop.
>Ellis characterizes his “much overrated” pursuit through Sicily as more of a "procession than an actual military offensive.”

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >A 1985 US Army study of the Lorraine campaign was highly critical of Patton. The document states:
    >"Few of the Germans defending Lorraine could be considered first-rate troops. Third Army encountered whole battalions made up of deaf men, others of cooks, and others consisting entirety of soldiers with stomach ulcers."
    >German commander of Army Group G in The Lorraine, Hermann Balck, who took command in September 1944 said of his troops: "I have never been in command of such irregularly assembled and ill-equipped troops. The fact that we have been able to straighten out the situation again…can only be attributed to the bad and hesitating command of the Americans."

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Third Army encountered whole battalions made up of deaf men, others of cooks, and others consisting entirety of soldiers with stomach ulcers.
      There is legitimately no way this is true.
      >"Everyone in the company, raise your hand if you have stomach ulcers! You're going in the stomach ulcer battalion! Someone start signing to the deaf guys and rounding up the cooks; they're getting battalions too, fuck it."

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >whole battalions made up of deaf men, others of cooks, and others consisting entirety of soldiers with stomach ulcers
        This sounds like something straight out of the movie 300 and I don't believe it.

        These, there must be some sort of middle ground between "Patton was Genghis Khan with tanks" and "The German high command deliberately sent their weakest units against Patton because...they felt bad for him idk"

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It was because the war was lost and they wanted as much of Germany as they could in the hands of the western allies and not the soviets, from whom they feared a expected a bitter revenge.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It was because the war was lost and they wanted as much of Germany as they could in the hands of the western allies and not the soviets

            Wrong. Krautshits were fighting fanatically in the west as well, until about April when the front just completely collapsed and discipline eroded.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Except that 70% of german forces were fighting the russians in the east and your murrican forces had it easy given their air superiority. The russians crushed the german army. Murricans were only needed for lend-lease. But go on believing your own propaganda. You guys are unable to learn.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >raise your hand if you have stomach ulcers
        Such things obviously come up in the draft registry. And it makes perfect sense to put those guys in one unit, which then receives special food to reduce the problem, gets extra supplies of medicine, maybe a specially trained doctor. The alternative is either not drafting them, or seeing tons of them drop out and disrupt the formations they were put in.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Do cooks need special food too?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            no, you get companies of cooks or other support personnel when larger units strip their support units of men to reinforce the frontline when manpower is short, as was not infrequently the case for the germans in 1944-45

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              No, you dumb ass. That whole paragraph was a fabrication, and bullshit. Quit defending idiocy, just because it fits your narrative.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I have no idea about the cooks, but I did read about those units composed of men with all the same diseases before. It really does make sense if you're that short on manpower.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If the Germans are simply trying to send every able man to the west to surrender then it wouldn't matter if cooks or men with stomach ulcers are segregated per regiment. The whole thing reads like someone desperate to tarnish Patton's legacy because they thought the movie was hagiographic and Bradley's journal was gospel.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >whole battalions made up of deaf men, others of cooks, and others consisting entirety of soldiers with stomach ulcers
      This sounds like something straight out of the movie 300 and I don't believe it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Third Army encountered whole battalions made up of deaf men, others of cooks, and others consisting entirety of soldiers with stomach ulcers."
      This reads like some fantasy shit. Did they also have whole battalions of castrated soldiers, or morbidly obese soldiers?

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The most succinct summary of the 1944 Battle of Arrancourt was the German tanks, including 77 Panthers, were fresh out of the factory, for the most part and likewise were most of the 'men', many hastily assembled Hiterjugend and "Volksturmn, with scarcely a fortnight's training, and no combat experience.
    >None of those that crewed the Panthers had any combat experience, and due to severe shortages of gasoline, driver training was limited to ONE hour, each.
    > The bulk of the Panther losses weren't even by enemy fire, but were ABANDONED after they overheated or their defective final drive units gave out

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      VGH, GLORIUS PRUSSIAN ENGINEERING

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The most succinct summary of the 1944 Battle of Arrancourt was the German tanks, including 77 Panthers, were fresh out of the factory, for the most part and likewise were most of the 'men', many hastily assembled Hiterjugend and "Volksturmn, with scarcely a fortnight's training, and no combat experience.
      >None of those that crewed the Panthers had any combat experience, and due to severe shortages of gasoline, driver training was limited to ONE hour, each.
      > The bulk of the Panther losses weren't even by enemy fire, but were ABANDONED after they overheated or their defective final drive units gave out

      None of this is true, you fucking retarded Weheraboo. Germshits got their ass handed to them at Arracourt, and that's that.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >no men left
        >kid go drive tank
        >no training no fuel
        >tank breaks cause crap
        is not being a rarted "patriot" american considered wehraboo now ?

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    bump

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Y'know everyone kinda knows this by now, right? Even the movie shows him to be a bit of a buffoon.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Who was America's best WW2 commander?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      montgomery, or at least the best commander to command american units.

      otherwise probably bradley.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      MacArthur

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nimitz.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Spruance

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      childhood is idolizing Patton. Adulthood is realizing Bradly made more sense.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't Rommel humiliate his ass in Libya despite being outnumbered and outgunned in every way possible?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rommel mostly sparred with Montgomery and the Anglos in Libya and Tunisia

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rommel never faced an army commanded by Patton. He regularly humiliated Monty though.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        no he didnt, Monty took over for the second battle at el alamain, after that point the germans were pushed back consistently and Rommel never managed a victory against Monty in the desert, he did manage a few tactical victories against the americans although Patton didnt suffer more than a draw himself

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      no, it was the general before Patton, Lloyd Frendedall. Patton even comment, "I cannot see what Fredendall did to justify his existence."

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    you also failed to cite a single primary source

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      History is my primary source.

      /pol/tranny cope

      Pipe down you pathetic israelitetroon.
      Even Stalin off the record said America did the heavy lifting in WWII

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >country over the ocean did something else besides lend-leasing and putting their men into meat grinders to not look bad
        right

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah yeah yeah America sucks and only ever fought 10 year olds in Stahlhelms and Mr. Magoo. Go make a thread sucking off worker's hero Field Marshall Literalski Whodanov and how he single-handedly fought off the 21st SS Mecha division "Das Zaku" in his Crimson Dynamo powersuit at Kursk.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      /pol/tranny cope

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Mad enough to respond
        Marxoid detected

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Facing superior numbers, German forces still managed to put up a successful defensive battle

    Don't credit the German Army for the horrible terrain. Mountains and rocky hills are easy to defend when you're had time to dig in. Assaulting them was a long and tedious campaign. Flat soil, with rolling hills and good roads and it would have been done in 1/4 the time.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That truck hitting him was the best thing to salvage his legacy before he ruined it.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    american ""general""

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's pretty difficult to judge the competence of American troops and generals in the Second World War, because they were always fighting an underequipped or surrounded opponent with no air support while themselves perfectly supplied and with near-total air superiority. While fighting on uneven terms like this is a demonstration of the superiority of their logisticians and planners, it doesn't tell us much about their actual soldiers

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Americans couldnt even shoes while the Germans repositioned their best troops from the east to the West.

      Germany knew who the real threat was.
      The Soviets were ez mode.
      Americans completely destroyed Germany, and then humiliated unccy joe and his commie kike band.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah? Well, you can't slippers

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Who cares? No one does this shit with the Soviets
      >Well ackchoally if the Germans had 1:1 tank/artillery...

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it doesnt take effective leadership to coordinate logistics
      >it doesnt take effective military insight to coordinate those logistics around an enemy
      >it doesnt take effective military leadership to take and maintain air superiority
      War is literally 80% logistics, 19% politics, and 1% fighting. The American logistical advantage is what makes them, to this day, the most powerful conventional force on the planet. All this coping about battle outcomes is the dumbbest, most idiotic shit only put on by people who've never fought a war but romanticize getting shot for some reason.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    dying in your own glorious excretion at your own leisure > dying next to a man called Hobart Gay because your head hit some glass

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    actually the few German units who had success against the Soviets were diverted to fight the Americans.
    Americans would still beat the Soviets to the German "hinterland".

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    patton turned his tanks against wwi vets and refused to speak to a man who had saved his life in battle. hes a homosexual who if anything went crazy from shame and trying to reconcile his belief that he was a patriot

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why did he do that?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        israelites told him to and hes a golem

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