How was Patton not a war criminal

  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    By now you should know winners don't get nuremeburg'd

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    sneed criminal

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >war criminal

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >war criminal

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Yes I shot 50 communist agitators, how could you tell?

        War Criminal

        destroyer of civilizations, the judas of our time

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      why's an american wearing a nazi uniform

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      can't break laws you don't abide by.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I HATE those fucking earbuds. Literally feels like a knife digging into my head.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          you might have tumor. look into it.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wait a sec, I thought Nazis liked Patton?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Germans had a higher opinion of Patton than Patton's actual allies.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well duh, they didn't have to put up with his antics and were only seeing what the American press wanted them to see.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Germans had a higher opinion of Patton than Patton's actual allies.

        Post-war myth. Patton was "I don't think about you at all"-tier to the Germans until autumn of 1944. They barely knew he existed during North Africa and Sicily, and his command of First US Army Group in the Calais deception leading up to Normandy was incidental to the deception's success. They were interested first and foremost in Eisenhower and Montgomery in terms of intel gathering leading up to Overlord.

        After the breakout from Normandy, German opinion was mixed. During the August breakout for example, you have Edgar Feuchtinger (CO 21st Panzer Division) reporting that Patton was making considerable progress and seemed unstoppable. But only a few weeks later from September through the rest of Autumn, Hermann Balck (Army Group G commander) was describing Patton's advance as "hesitant" and was perplexed by Patton's inability to exploit the successes he encountered. Even his relief of Bastogne in December wasn't held in particularly high regard by his opposite numbers, as German forces took another month to actually be forced back to their start positions. It was only long after the war, in the 1960s-70s, that German generals that fought Patton began offering up praise instead, most notably Hermann Balck.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think Patton was/is held in high esteem by German vets and internet wehraboos these days because of his post-war comments. From his own side I guess his untimely death lead to misty-eyed lionisation.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >held in high esteem by German vets
            German vets thought Patton was trash. They changed their tune only when they started jockeying to get hired for NATO consulting roles and realized the job went to whomever sucked off America the hardest. Prior to this, they all felt Patton's most hyped achievements were laughable, involving him showing up to battles that were already over or acting as a "glorified traffic cop." During the few occasions Patton faced any sort of resistance, even against bottom tier trash like at Metz (Patton faced battalions literally consisting of Chefs, Deaf Men and Men Suffering from Ulcers) he struggled mightily. The Germans felt Patton would be anywhere from solidly below average to slightly above average at best if he had fought on their side.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based. Patton and Harris the real MVPs

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      is that a garden gnome larping as a nazi?
      bizarre

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Patton? How so?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscari_massacre

      Although I would honestly say his habit of assaulting privates for no fucking reason was pretty bad. Including that one time he drew a pistol on a hospitalised artilleryman and threatened to shoot him right there
      Also attacking the bonus army with tanks was pretty fucking bad, but not a war crime.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >B*nus Army

        Cringe moochers deserved it.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >assaulting privates for no fucking reason

        Little bastards were malingering and they were taking up resources that should have gone to fighting men. Patton had just walked past dozens of WOUNDED men standing, sitting, and laying outside in the sun and then he walked into the field hospital where it was cool and saw a young man laying in a nice soft comfortable bed who didn't appear to have a thing wrong with him. Patton questioned the doctor first, then the patient, and when the patient confirmed that he was there on account of "bad nerves," Patton slapped him.

        Because he was taking up a bed that could have gone to someone outside with his guts held in with bandages or his leg or shoulder shattered.

        Don't go around saying he did things for no reason, he wasn't a goddamned maniac. He had a DAMN good reason for every single thing he did every day all day long, and just because you don't know it doesn't mean it wasn't there.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          They all turned out to be suffering from undiagnosed illnesses (mainly malaria).

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. Patton was Ares incarnate.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he drew a pistol on a hospitalised artilleryman and threatened to shoot him right there
        Sigma moment

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Probably a reference to the Biscari massacre or just generally his disregard for collateral damage.

        Did Patton actually have a role in the Biscari Massacre?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          He ordered it. So yes.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          He ordered it. So yes.

          From Captain (Straight Outta) Compton's account:

          "When we land against the enemy, don't forget to hit him and hit him hard. We will bring the fight home to him. We will show him no mercy. He has killed thousands of your comrades and he must die.

          If you company commanders in leading your men against the enemy find him shooting at you and, when you get within 200 yards of him and he wishes to surrender, oh no! That bastard must die!

          You will kill him. Stick (bayonet) him between third and fourth ribs. You will tell your men that. They must have the killer instinct. Tell them to stick him. He can do no good then. Stick them in the liver.

          We will get the name of killers and killers are immortal. When word reaches him that he is being faced by a killer battalion, a killer outfit, he will fight less. Particularly, we must build up that name as killers and you will get that down to your troops in time for the invasion."

          -General George S. Patton

          At minimum, this would be considered a blustering and tactless motivational speech, at worst, it can be considered an incitement to murder. Although even at its worst, I still wouldn't put Patton's conduct in the same league as Keital, Halder, or von Reichenau since it was neither an explicit instruction or part of a larger endemic pattern of behavior in the United States Army.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not sure an over-the-top motivational speech like that can be described as actual orders, legal or otherwise. In fact, I'd be embarrassed if I was a military lawyer trying to make a case that this speech constituted "ordering the Biscari Massacre." As a matter of law it's just not the case, which is why no one at the time even considered trying to make that argument. Patton had his share of flaws, but "ordered the Biscari Massacre" isn't one of those flaws.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm not sure an over-the-top motivational speech like that can be described as actual orders, legal or otherwise. In fact, I'd be embarrassed if I was a military lawyer trying to make a case that this speech constituted "ordering the Biscari Massacre." As a matter of law it's just not the case, which is why no one at the time even considered trying to make that argument. Patton had his share of flaws, but "ordered the Biscari Massacre" isn't one of those flaws.

              That's why I used the phrase "incitement to murder" instead of "ordering a massacre". If Patton had issued these instructions in writing to his officers and enlisted men; explicitly stated that it was a order that they were oath-bound to obey; threatened/initiated disciplinary action against anyone who questioned or refused to carry it out, and the results were part of a larger pattern of behavior, as all of which were the case with Walther von Reichenau's Serverity Order, then we could argue that Patton had in fact, ordered a massacre.

              But none of those occurred and Patton never made this mistake again so it did not become a pattern of behavior with his style of command. Thus, it seems fair to conclude that Patton had intended for his speech to be merely rhetorical and not to be taken literally, but that some had taken it literally because of his seniority.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The court-martial panel found West guilty of premeditated murder, stripped him of his rank, and sentenced him to life imprisonment. He was detained in North Africa for fear that his presence in a federal penitentiary could bring unwanted publicity to him and to his crime.[22] On reviewing West's record of trial, Eisenhower decided to "give the man a chance" after he had "served enough of his life sentence to demonstrate that he could be returned to active duty".[23] After West's brother wrote to the Army and his local US representative, it was decided to "resolve the worrisome matter" and on the recommendation of the War Department's Bureau of Public Relations, the Deputy Commander of Allied Headquarters in Italy signed an order remitting West's sentence on 24 November 1944. He was restored to active duty and continued to serve during the war at the end of which he received an honorable discharge.[24]
        What is even the point of having these trials.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          To tell him he’s been a naughty boy and that he’ll get in big trouble if he does it again

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >no fucking reason

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your response is as pointless as your existence.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          cute batman 🙂

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably a reference to the Biscari massacre or just generally his disregard for collateral damage.

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    If THAT quote is legit this is probably the only guy in the mutt military that knew what was really going on.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      which one?

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    why did he wear that helmet? was he autistic?

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eisenhower constantly saving Pattons ass is honestly one of the things that disturbs me most. Like Eisenhower hears about Patton having to be stopped physically from trying to murder one of his own men and his first thought is about saving Pattons reputation.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's because Patton was so high profile and such a showboater that Patton's reputation = the Army's reputation. Moreover Patton was more or less punished by being removed from command of forces for the Normandy Landings in response to the Slappening and Biscari (which was frankly a far more disturbing episode since it had led to scores of deaths and Patton had initially refused to even investigate it until Bradley forced the issue).

      Was Patton really a good general or just overrated like Mcarthur that actually pissed off everyone that they had to take him out

      He was an excellent general, his problem was that his temperament and impulsiveness made him unsuited to running the war from an office which is higher rank entails, hence why he was never given an operational-level command.

      He was certainly nowhere never the level of incompetent of MacArthur who had overseen one of the most spectacular defeats in American history in the Philippines and only avoided being sacked because the Roosevelt Administration regarded keeping one of their experts on Asian affairs and saving face as more important.

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >All war is cruelty.
    >But the crueller it is the sooner it shall be over.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >This is why I will randomly hit my subordinates. This way I am increasing bet cruelty, shortening the war
      A true visionary.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Even a good general rule can have retarded applications when it's being applied by egomanic idiots

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    why?

  11. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't really matter now does it?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Presumably because the victims are still dead

  12. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Seethe harder g*rman, he saw you for what you were.

    This is after capturing Anton Dunckern, one of the highest ranking SS at the time.
    >After threatening to turn him over to the French, who “know how to make people talk,” Patton told an interpreter, “If he wanted to be a good Nazi, he could have died then and there. It would have been a pleasanter death than what he will get now.”
    >When Dunckern protested that he had been captured by Americans and should therefore remain in U.S. custody, Parton snapped, “When I am dealing with vipers, I do not have to be bothered by any foolish ideas....I understand German very well, but I will not demean myself by speaking such a language.”

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >“When I am dealing with vipers, I do not have to be bothered by any foolish ideas....I understand German very well, but I will not demean myself by speaking such a language.”

      Holy Based

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      tfw no patton gf

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is cringe inducing. He sounds like a cartoon character.

  13. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Was Patton really a good general or just overrated like Mcarthur that actually pissed off everyone that they had to take him out

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      his actual military record is appallingly bad

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        No it isn't, lying homosexual. He only had 1 defeat (Fort Driant) out of dozens of victories, and even that was an insignificant little skirmish, mostly intended to bloody up recruits

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >dozens of victories
          you've never read anything about patton outside of this website have you

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            This website told me he was a shitter who got his position through connections. An unremarkable general, basically unknown to the Axis.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Name one victory

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bastogne. Watch the documentary 'Patton' (1970) and educate yourself.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              He showed up to the battle 72 hours after it started and when the Germans were already on their back foot

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah ok tough guy, the Victory over your mom's stinky pussy.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >his actual military record is appallingly bad

        Okay Omar

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hard to judge fairly when he and his colleagues outnumbered and outgunned their enemy 10 to 1 in many cases.

  14. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Based

  15. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    war criminals are based

  16. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's surprising that his diary and its controversial contents aren't well-known given his fame.

  17. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    War Criminal

  18. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Patton - Shell shock was an invention of the garden gnomes.

  19. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    War Criminal

  20. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lightweights

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      he literally won the Nobel Peace Prize

  21. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    War Criminal

  22. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    He isn't even the worst allied commander.

  23. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    And?

  24. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    War Criminal

  25. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    boo hoo
    Imagine being such a little bitch you actually care about war crimes.

  26. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    War Criminal

  27. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    war crimes can't be committed by the winning side. Thats why My Lai is the only American war crime

  28. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    And that's a good thing

  29. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    War criminal

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      truth.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong man.

  30. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >3 days + 19 hours
    >110 hours
    >88 replies
    >1 reply per 1 hour 15 minutes

    Why isn't this thread dead yet?

  31. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    War Criminal

  32. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    War criminal

  33. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  34. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    War Criminal

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      the ligmanese democratic republic was never the same after his death

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Poetic Justice was a hilarious movie, early 90s black culture was something else.

  35. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    War Criminal

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      he was the good guy

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        t.

  36. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  37. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    homosexual

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