Operation Ichi-Go

How did the Chinese get so utterly BTFO by an already defeated enemy near the end of the war?
Are the Chinese really that useless?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Chinese soldiers at that point were essentially medieval peasants, many of which didn't even have guns.
    The KMT had a couple of german trained units, but those were decimated early in the war.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this. a better question would be how the fuck the Kuomintang didn't collapse in 1941.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's so weird. Everyone remembers the troops trained by the Germans. The ones trained at Ramgarh (by the British and Americans a few years later) had a way better combat record, and practically nobody knows who they were.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everybody remembers the German-trained troops in Shanghai because Shanghai was overflowing with foreigners and colonists from Europe and elsewhere watching the fighting going on from the opposite riverbed. A lot less civilian foreigners would be watching American trained KMT divisions pushing the Japanese back through burma.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That whole theater was a clusterfuck
    >chinese admiral decides to sink a couple of ships to block the mouth of the yangtze to jap vessels
    >rival admiral doesn't want him to hog all the glory, orders some of his vessels sunk to block the river mouth as well

    >the japanese navy clears the river mouth in a matter of days and salvage/repurpose a couple of the ships to boot

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also why is there no books written about Operation Ichi-Go?
    Japan's largest land offensive and yet barely anything written.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's sort of like the Third Battle of Kharkov.
      Sure it was a victory and they managed to take ground, but lost the larger conflict right after.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't the Japanese get totally exhausted after that and end up losing anyways?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They did get somewhat exhausted but they still won in the end it wasn't even close.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Chinese were utterly defeated in basically every major engagement. It's not even close. Ichi go is proof that if the allies never blockaded Japan's access to resources at the beginning of the sino japanese war Japan would've achieved near total victory.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Chud Anon

          They would have achieved the same “victory” America did in Afghanistan, win every major battle but never stamp out the insurgency

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Japanese immediately went to work culling the Chinese population everywhere they got a foothold, the 'stamp out' would resemble dismembering Chinese population into half that of Japan's.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The Chinese were utterly defeated in basically every major engagement
          tai'erzhuang
          changsha

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Casualties the same, or even favorable for the Japanese and, Japanese then proceeded to take all of shandong and xuzhou.
            They took Changsha in '44 it was only a matter of time. The Chinese also lost way more men than the Japanese in that battle.
            These battles are famous because they are rare examples of the Chinese being able to barely hold their ground against a focused attack instead of getting absolutely bfto like in most other engagements.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >These battles are famous because they are rare examples of the Chinese being able to barely hold their ground against a focused attack instead of getting absolutely bfto like in most other engagements.
              tai'erzhuang completely halted the japanese momentum and crushed their initial hopes of taking china in 3 months. it's comparable to the battle of moscow or hostomel airport

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's more like a victory that the song would have over the northern jin or yuan. Didn't stop foreign domination

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a victory that the song would have over the northern jin
                these were significant because the song completely stopped further jin expansion. the jin would collapse to mongols long before the song.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How did the Chinese get so utterly BTFO by an already defeated enemy near the end of the war?

    Chiang Kai-shek being a based retard.

    Also it wasn't that bad for the Chinese: the KMT had plenty of other divisions while the CCP divisions & guerrillas got a lot breathing space when all the Japanese armies left the North to attack the KMT, capturing territory extremely rapidly and ensuring Northern China was under their firm grip.

    >Ichi go is proof that if the allies never blockaded Japan's access to resources at the beginning of the sino japanese war Japan would've achieved near total victory.

    Nigga Japan got into a stalemate in China way before the embargo. Ichi Go is proof that whatever they did in China by 1944, they were fucked anyway. They won that offensive...but isolating the KMT from allied support by capturing Southern China was a pointless strategy as the KMT got resupplied through the CBI, American bombers were flying from Pacific Islands to rape Japan, and the offensive helped the CCP's Red Army to reemerge & begin attacking Japan in the rear back in the North.

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