>one of the most mainstream Roman historians. >cant read Greek or Latin

>one of the most mainstream Roman historians
>can’t read Greek or Latin
Fricking how, isn’t that shit mandatory for classics studies? You’re just reading what other people said the original sources said

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    times have changed, bigot

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    She's honestly so awful that it's triggering

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >isn’t that shit mandatory for classics studies?
    college graduates used to learn such languages in the past but now it's just a place for dipshits to party for 4 years and dress like slobs

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      wrong pic

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        My homie on the bottom right having a blast.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        My homie on the bottom right having a blast.

        If all black people were like that I would literally not be racist.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          There are high IQ blacks, just a lot fewer than high IQ whites. But there is no reason to discriminate against the rare 140 IQ black individual.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Never relax

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          he blacked several white females at that university

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Don't be so fooled by appearances, wearing a suit doesn't make you moral, intelligent, or nonviolent.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Still smarter, more accomplished, and better looking than you.

            What's your excuse?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            that's not the point, bro. Of course a man with a suit can be amoral, unintelligent and violent. But the chances are slimmer, especially when it comes to intelligence.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        a GHOST!?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What university is this from, and what year?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Medical students at McGill University, Montreal in 1920

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Damn, Canada used to look so nice. Every time I see pictures of Canada pre-1960s it's like some heavenly fusion of the best that the UK and France had to offer in a North American wilderness garden of Eden.
            Old town Quebec is probably the best city in North America, if you ask me.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Clearly, you didn't do a STEM degree

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Every university is an Amerimutt university.
        PROTIP: most universities the world over don't do frats or sportsball teams. They do serious work.

        look at how defensive these morons get over the student debt they accrued over something you could learn in a public library for free

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >student debt

          Someone didn't read my post.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            sorry, should've also included ass-frick high taxes

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >let me just use the labs in the library bro
            Why are humanitards so ignorant?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Every university is an Amerimutt university.
      PROTIP: most universities the world over don't do frats or sportsball teams. They do serious work.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >He thinks alcoholic frat boys are an American invention
        I invite you to Germany, where our fraternities are renown for being Nazis who do nothing except drink beer and cut each other's faces like a bunch of emo homosexuals dressed in clown costumes.
        I'd also add that Erasmus exchange years are notorious across Europe for being "Orgasmus" trips where you mostly just frick and party abroad

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          atheists are sex addicts, especially the female ones

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            thank god for that. I love it when a girl whispers "God is dead. we killed him." in my ear as I make love to her.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

            People who say "God is dead and we killed him" in a celebratory manner are the equivalent of the people who refer to Frankenstein's Monster as Frankenstein.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I know, I was making fun of the pop christian misreading of Nietzsche

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine being such a butthurt gay that you need need seethe when someone makes a God is Dead joke

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            cringe

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            And yet, the most atheist generation ever is also the one having the least amount of sex.
            Our Teenagers have never been as celibate as now. They also drink less and consume less drugs. Tbh zoomers are major dorks.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >celibate
            You don't know what that means or you don't know what teens and people in their 20s are doing.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            statistically? they're having much less sex than people in their 20s in any previous decade

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Stats aren't everything anon

            It's probably because I'm fricking all their girls tbh

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            unironically yes, the older generation are all perverts who are monopolizing the young pussy of this generation because boomer mentality has destroyed marriage

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The partying bullshit has been a thing since the Middle Ages lol. We have records of University students in cities like Oxford and Paris being regarded as menaces and drunkards who were constantly annoying the townsfolk with their tomfoolery

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        People have always partied in universities/colleges.

        This. Even in Italy, where the first universities were formed, their students were considered a plague by locals, as they often caused street fighting, pranks, and late night noise, as usually to follow a university course back then you had to been wealthy enough to not bother to work

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The St Scholastic Day riot of 1355 started because two students accused a vintner of serving them substandard wine, and it led to the townsfolk paying penance to the university for 470 years lol

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          *St Scholastica

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      People have always partied in universities/colleges.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Sauce for that claim?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      She admitted in a blog she can’t read complex latin passages and tries to cope by saying “n…no one ever understood these writers because they’re too hard, even back in their times!” No I’m not making this up

      https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/what-does-the-latin-actually-say/

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Don't indulge his cope, Anon

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >latin and ancient greek is very hard because we only learn it passively by reading
        >so, woman bad?
        why are you gays so moronic

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'm sure everyone in this thread can read and write in complex ancient Latin and Greek, anon. It's not that hard if you put a little elbow grease into it.

          Most of the people on IQfy are polyglot linguists with years of experience in the field of archival history and reading primary documents in their native tongues. Clearly they have every right to judge.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            the best part is the anon claiming only beginners use lexicons, when even native speakers encounter unfamiliar words and use dictionaries.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >he doesn't have several dead languages memorized to the word
            Ngmi BAKA tbh senpai

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Having difficulty understanding complex passages =/= she can't read Latin/Greek. This is very common when reading ancient texts because the gays wrote stuff in their particular context and all the complications that come with that. Like imagine 1000 years later an internet archeologist would be poring over old posts and encounters me saying "you're an unbased incel." He might be wondering what "based" is and what basis am I removing you from.

        From my own research interests this is even worse in classical Chinese, because Warring States gays wrote in poetry all the time and they would use super obscure fricking allusions like "your thoughts are like the arrows of Gang Shi meeting the armor of Lord Huang!" and you have no fricking idea what it means because there's no other reference besides said text or they might have been referring to stories that are older than written Chinese history.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >He might be wondering what "based" is and what basis am I removing you from.
          genuinelly my train of thought when i first saw "based" being used kek

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          this is a giant extrapolation you made based on a desire to defend her and not a conclusion you reached and then sought to explain. It isn't legitimate and I won't refute it. b***h has no excuse for not being fluent in Latin, end of discussion.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            peak Dunning-Kruger brain. If you've studied a dead language you'd know no one is truly fluent. Academics rely on lexicons for obscure passages because they aren't native speakers, all the native speakers are dead.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >IT'S LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO LEARN THIS LANGUAGE PROPERLY BECAUSE THERE ARE NO NATIVE SPEAKERS LEFT
            >YOU LITERALLY HAVE NO ABILITY TO LEARN WHAT'S IN THE REFERENCE BOOKS I-I MEAN YOU MUST CONSULT BECAUSE.. UH..... BECAUSE...
            >JUST SHUT UP I'M THE EXPERT HERE
            te rideo

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >doesn't know what a lexicon is
            >thinks learning the grammar of a language is enough to understand it
            lol'd hard
            how's your japanese studies going, homosexual? you're almost fluent, it's just kanji is too hard, right?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Not him but you're kinda moronic

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            i'm trans btw don't know if that matters

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know why you'd say you're trans after being called moronic, it's not really funny that way

            >It's Greek that has the absolutely massive one-word-use vocabulary.
            There's an unknown word in the Lord's Prayer.

            I don't know about that. I was referring to early Classical more than anything.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            a lexicon is a reference book that you use when you are not yet fluent in a language. If you have given up on learning and just want to use it forever, and then have the nerve to claim to be any kind of expert on the language, you are a fricking assclown.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Latin's lexicon is pretty tight and straight forward though. It's Greek that has the absolutely massive one-word-use vocabulary.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >It's Greek that has the absolutely massive one-word-use vocabulary.
            There's an unknown word in the Lord's Prayer.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Dunning-Kruger
            It's not a magical spell to banish people who don't agree with you, moron

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          why are zoomers so eager to defend a failed female academic?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            She’s among the most successful actually, you denying an obvious truth is evidence of coping.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >If making shit up for political points and not being expert in Greek and Latin makes you bad, then why do all the other mutant psueds make her their lizard queen?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >whines online instead of doing anything to outpace her
            Lol seethin'

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        reminder that the reason for this is the moronic fricking way latin is taught in universities and is put up with due to the ego of aging boomers like mary beard who are in positions of authority in spite of their incompetence.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That's completely different from not being able to read at all.
        Also consider the huge range in time and space when these languages wrre used. I think you could hardly find a native speakers who can comfortably read Dickens, Shakespeare, a modern newspaper, IQfy posts, scientific papers, a book on siberian shamanism, and whatever random thing an Indian wrote in odd English.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That's completely different from not being able to read at all.
        Also consider the huge range in time and space when these languages were used. I think you could hardly find a native speaker who can comfortably read Dickens, Shakespeare, a modern newspaper, IQfy posts, scientific papers, a book on siberian shamanism, and whatever random thing an Indian wrote in odd English.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So, she can read Latin, and you're a fricking moron. Thanks for clarifying.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like with the sheer volume of translations and secondary literature that classics is one of the rare history fields that one could feasibly do good work in without a grasp of the original languages.
    But source?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >I feel like with the sheer volume of translations and secondary literature that classics is one of the rare history fields that one could feasibly do good work in without a grasp of the original languages.
      Not necessarily. If you're a young academic and you want an actual career in that field, you're unlikely to be able to make do with just the famous stuff. You're going to have to do both quantitative and qualitative analysis of cataloged votive altars, grave markers, tablets, et cetera - the type of stuff that occasionally yields something cool, but hasn't been touched by too many researchers yet.

      Having difficulty understanding complex passages =/= she can't read Latin/Greek. This is very common when reading ancient texts because the gays wrote stuff in their particular context and all the complications that come with that. Like imagine 1000 years later an internet archeologist would be poring over old posts and encounters me saying "you're an unbased incel." He might be wondering what "based" is and what basis am I removing you from.

      From my own research interests this is even worse in classical Chinese, because Warring States gays wrote in poetry all the time and they would use super obscure fricking allusions like "your thoughts are like the arrows of Gang Shi meeting the armor of Lord Huang!" and you have no fricking idea what it means because there's no other reference besides said text or they might have been referring to stories that are older than written Chinese history.

      >Having difficulty understanding complex passages =/= she can't read Latin/Greek.
      If primary sources in a particular ancient language are central to your field of study, but you don't fully grasp that language, you might as well change your field of study. You're just going to do damage otherwise. In Beard's case - and, sadly, she is not the only one - ideology and ego "help fill in the blanks", leading to some absolutely moronic standpoints. As I recall, Beard's a big proponent of the idea that there was a significant Sub-Saharan African population in Roman Britain - not because she has evidence for this, but because she's not intellectually curious and there being a large Sub-Saharan African population in Roman Britain simply fits into her world view. Beard finds herself at the intersection - sorry, sorry - of incompetence, ideology and ego.

      That's completely different from not being able to read at all.
      Also consider the huge range in time and space when these languages wrre used. I think you could hardly find a native speakers who can comfortably read Dickens, Shakespeare, a modern newspaper, IQfy posts, scientific papers, a book on siberian shamanism, and whatever random thing an Indian wrote in odd English.

      >I think you could hardly find a native speakers who can comfortably read Dickens, Shakespeare, a modern newspaper, IQfy posts, scientific papers, a book on siberian shamanism, and whatever random thing an Indian wrote in odd English.
      While it would be a bit out of my comfort zone, I could read and comprehend all of that, and I'm not even a native English speaker.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >If primary sources in a particular ancient language are central to your field of study, but you don't fully grasp that language, you might as well change your field of study.

        t. I have never met someone who studies ancient languages.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Learning dead languages is hard and semi-impossible. I'm a classics scholar who can't or can barely read these languages and my Mommy says I'm smart, therefore original language primary sources are completely superfluous. I"M SMART DAMNIT! I DON'T NEED TO IMPROVE!

          The truth is:
          >you should have been taught these languages in High School if not earlier if you ever hoped to become a real classics scholar
          >the universities have degraded into daycare centers over the course of fifty to one hundred years
          >the modern bachelor's program delivers the same quality education that a public high school provided fifty years ago
          >most people who go to college have no business being there
          >the university should be the sole domain of obsessive 130+ IQ spergs
          >YWNBAW

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            t. I have never met someone who studies ancient languages & I am also projecting.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This feels like moronic "she just should okay!!!". The classics were translated so well so many times and in such quantities that its completely legit to study them without the knowledge of the language.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      this. if the classics is to survive as a field it just has to accept nobodys got the time or mental strength to study dead languages anymore. young peoples live in a much more stressful world with climate change and russian invasions. cut them soome slack

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I became fluent in Old Norse at 16.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >IF THE CLASSICS ARE TO SURVIVE AS A FIELD WE HAVE TO REMOVE ALL STANDARDS AND RIGOR. I AM SMART!!!! HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ACADEMICS TO DEDICATE SO MUCH TIME TO SERIOUS STUDY OF THEIR FIELD?!

        This thread is full of so much cope and seethe

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          This post cuts straight to the heart of the matter

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao this. People here think history = rattling off events and dates that happened.

          How can you present a new viewpoiny of a source if you can’t accurately comprehend a source in the language it was written?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          b-but I NEED to own da chuds by showing how heckin' multicultural and vibrant ancient greece and Rome was!

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine sinologists crying and whining that they shouldn't have to study classical chinese because it's too hard lol

          Or an indologist having a meltdown over having to learn sanskrit

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >young peoples live in a much more stressful world
        lolno
        >climate change and russian invasions
        The effects of climate change are negligible for most people and the Russian invasion doesn't affect you if you don't live in Russia or Ukraine.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >young peoples live in a much more stressful world with climate change and russian invasions
        students were learning latin and greek through the world wars and in times when poverty and struggle were the norm

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This is just the state of British education since the 60s.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    ITT OP takes a quote out of context and everyone believes him

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I still refuse to believe this is a biological female

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How so? White people age like shit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Women naturally masculinize as they get older, Caucasian women in particular.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Actually these passages are hard to read and nobody actually understands them. What do you mean that people entering university were expected to already have a firm understanding of greek and latin? Nobody has ever understood Greek or Latin. All Classics Scholars past and present suffer from the Chinese Room problem. You can't even prove they're sentient. Anyways, you don't need to read in the original because we have these fantastic translations.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    i-is she hiding under my bed? :S

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >can’t read Greek or Latin
    2bf most romans or greek couldn't either

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Lupa vetus tractat et fervet

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >it's another Europeans being delusional episode

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    AFAIK this is completely normal in Classics
    I agree that it's kind of funny but I haven't gotten far enough into my Latin studies to comment on whether her claims are justified or not
    Also idk if I'm comfortable with the way people are making it seem as if Latin fluency is necessary for the study of Classics, it seems like quite a simplistic and naive view of what Classicists do

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If the language is truly unlearnable, then of what use are the translations?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Mary Beard is talking about reading a text fluently as you would an English text i.e reading the text from left to right without thinking about grammar at all and arriving at the meaning of the sentence
        If this is impossible to achieve for the majority of Latin authors than being able to read Latin non fluently through the grammar translation method in order to arrive at the meaning of Latin sentences would still be possible
        Obviously translations would be possible as well
        Translations are useful for understanding what a text is talking about

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, that was what actual classics scholars used to be capable of if they wanted a career in academia.

          Mary Beard denies this is even possible because she is a shitlib, hack foid degrading an already degraded field. She's the equivalent of an illiterate farmer claiming roman ruins must have been built by giants because what human effort could achieve such a feat.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Do you have any evidence that that's true? I'm not sure that it has been all that common for scholars to be able to read Latin fluently at least in the past 100 years
            If she wants to read a text in order to understand what it says for a paper she's writing she can use the grammar translation method or use someone else's translation and verify the meaning of a particular sentence by reading it herself in the original Latin
            She can read and understand texts, it's just that she's reading them very slowly it's not affecting her ability to understand what they say and you shouldn't dismiss her expertise because of this
            Btw I've talked to Europeans who are pursuing post grad studies in roman/early medieval/renaissance studies who tell me they can't read Latin fluently either despite having studied it in school as well as university
            They were given the impression that the ability to read Latin fluently is extremely rare by their professors/lecturers

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Btw if it wasn't obvious I'm trying to learn Latin in order to read Latin fluently, I'm just not going to make claims about what is or isn't possible until I've put the work in myself

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Latin is a human language you fricking moron, why wouldn't it be possible to learn it fluently? Russian has a similar grammatical complexity and there are millions of terminally drunk peasants speaking it fluently.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Russian is WAY fricking more complicated than classical Latin. Latin has 5 cases, 5 declensions/conjugations, and they're highly regular. Russian has 6-10 cases depending on who you ask, and only 3 declensions but each of those declensions comes in a bunch of inconsistent variations that you just have to memorize.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not sure if I agree but even if that was true, wouldn't that only strengthen the argument that Latin is not "impossible to learn"?
            These people are like some kid going "this game is impossible to beat!" at some 80s NES video game. But these people are supposedly grown adults, university graduates at that.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I agree with you, it's ridiculous that people act like Latin is even particularly difficult, and the reason is because schools teach it in a stupid fashion. A professor of Latin already laid out the problem years ago: http://www.wcdrutgers.net/Latin.htm

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Btw I've talked to Europeans who are pursuing post grad studies in roman/early medieval/renaissance studies who tell me they can't read Latin fluently either despite having studied it in school as well as university

            Not the anon you replied but I'd say this is more of a symptom of the precipitous decline of education over the last century than the proof that this is normal and nothing special. Like if Mill could read Plato at 8 and Moliére could learn Latin before French, then you absolutely can read the majority of non-technical/super fragmented/plain obscure shit like those Niebuhr and Wilamowitz-Moellendorff types used to in the past.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            exactly what benefit do we get for teaching the general public greek and latin at age 8?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            An actual culture? But you're right, we have to make time for those very important troony lecture hours

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            what benefit we get by teaching kids history, maths and biology?

            to get them being male to female wageslaves

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure that ugly b***h will frick all of you good boys if you keep simping for her political asset ass

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I was moronic and took a meme modern language at university because it was easy.

    Should I learn Latin anyways even if it will take longer for me to graduate?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I took Hebrew my senior year despite it having nothing to do with my major and already having language credits, but my circumstances made it so I had a lot of freedom in what classes I could take, even if it didn't count towards my major.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      don't bother learning latin through a university, it will just slow you down and you might end up coping like mary does in

      She admitted in a blog she can’t read complex latin passages and tries to cope by saying “n…no one ever understood these writers because they’re too hard, even back in their times!” No I’m not making this up

      https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/what-does-the-latin-actually-say/

      Learn it by the Dowling method, detailed at the link in

      I agree with you, it's ridiculous that people act like Latin is even particularly difficult, and the reason is because schools teach it in a stupid fashion. A professor of Latin already laid out the problem years ago: http://www.wcdrutgers.net/Latin.htm

      http://www.jonathanaquino.com/latin/ this website lets you do declension and conjugation tables easily.

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