>one of the most mainstream Roman historians
>can’t read Greek or Latin
Fucking how, isn’t that shit mandatory for classics studies? You’re just reading what other people said the original sources said
>one of the most mainstream Roman historians. >cant read Greek or Latin
>one of the most mainstream Roman historians
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times have changed, bigot
She's honestly so awful that it's triggering
>isn’t that shit mandatory for classics studies?
college graduates used to learn such languages in the past but now it's just a place for dipshits to party for 4 years and dress like slobs
My nigga on the bottom right having a blast.
If all black people were like that I would literally not be racist.
There are high IQ blacks, just a lot fewer than high IQ whites. But there is no reason to discriminate against the rare 140 IQ black individual.
he blacked several white females at that university
Don't be so fooled by appearances, wearing a suit doesn't make you moral, intelligent, or nonviolent.
Still smarter, more accomplished, and better looking than you.
What's your excuse?
that's not the point, bro. Of course a man with a suit can be amoral, unintelligent and violent. But the chances are slimmer, especially when it comes to intelligence.
What university is this from, and what year?
Medical students at McGill University, Montreal in 1920
Damn, Canada used to look so nice. Every time I see pictures of Canada pre-1960s it's like some heavenly fusion of the best that the UK and France had to offer in a North American wilderness garden of Eden.
Old town Quebec is probably the best city in North America, if you ask me.
Clearly, you didn't do a STEM degree
look at how defensive these retards get over the student debt they accrued over something you could learn in a public library for free
Someone didn't read my post.
sorry, should've also included ass-fuck high taxes
>let me just use the labs in the library bro
Why are humanitards so ignorant?
>Every university is an Amerimutt university.
PROTIP: most universities the world over don't do frats or sportsball teams. They do serious work.
>He thinks alcoholic frat boys are an American invention
I invite you to Germany, where our fraternities are renown for being Nazis who do nothing except drink beer and cut each other's faces like a bunch of emo homosexuals dressed in clown costumes.
I'd also add that Erasmus exchange years are notorious across Europe for being "Orgasmus" trips where you mostly just fuck and party abroad
atheists are sex addicts, especially the female ones
thank god for that. I love it when a girl whispers "God is dead. we killed him." in my ear as I make love to her.
>God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
People who say "God is dead and we killed him" in a celebratory manner are the equivalent of the people who refer to Frankenstein's Monster as Frankenstein.
I know, I was making fun of the pop christian misreading of Nietzsche
Imagine being such a butthurt fag that you need need seethe when someone makes a God is Dead joke
And yet, the most atheist generation ever is also the one having the least amount of sex.
Our Teenagers have never been as celibate as now. They also drink less and consume less drugs. Tbh zoomers are major dorks.
You don't know what that means or you don't know what teens and people in their 20s are doing.
statistically? they're having much less sex than people in their 20s in any previous decade
Stats aren't everything anon
It's probably because I'm fucking all their girls tbh
unironically yes, the older generation are all perverts who are monopolizing the young pussy of this generation because boomer mentality has destroyed marriage
The partying bullshit has been a thing since the Middle Ages lol. We have records of University students in cities like Oxford and Paris being regarded as menaces and drunkards who were constantly annoying the townsfolk with their tomfoolery
This. Even in Italy, where the first universities were formed, their students were considered a plague by locals, as they often caused street fighting, pranks, and late night noise, as usually to follow a university course back then you had to been wealthy enough to not bother to work
The St Scholastic Day riot of 1355 started because two students accused a vintner of serving them substandard wine, and it led to the townsfolk paying penance to the university for 470 years lol
People have always partied in universities/colleges.
Sauce for that claim?
She admitted in a blog she can’t read complex latin passages and tries to cope by saying “n…no one ever understood these writers because they’re too hard, even back in their times!” No I’m not making this up
Don't indulge his cope, Anon
>latin and ancient greek is very hard because we only learn it passively by reading
>so, woman bad?
why are you fags so retarded
I'm sure everyone in this thread can read and write in complex ancient Latin and Greek, anon. It's not that hard if you put a little elbow grease into it.
Most of the people on LULZ are polyglot linguists with years of experience in the field of archival history and reading primary documents in their native tongues. Clearly they have every right to judge.
the best part is the anon claiming only beginners use lexicons, when even native speakers encounter unfamiliar words and use dictionaries.
>he doesn't have several dead languages memorized to the word
Ngmi BAKA tbh senpai
Having difficulty understanding complex passages =/= she can't read Latin/Greek. This is very common when reading ancient texts because the fags wrote stuff in their particular context and all the complications that come with that. Like imagine 1000 years later an internet archeologist would be poring over old posts and encounters me saying "you're an unbased incel." He might be wondering what "based" is and what basis am I removing you from.
From my own research interests this is even worse in classical Chinese, because Warring States fags wrote in poetry all the time and they would use super obscure fucking allusions like "your thoughts are like the arrows of Gang Shi meeting the armor of Lord Huang!" and you have no fucking idea what it means because there's no other reference besides said text or they might have been referring to stories that are older than written Chinese history.
>He might be wondering what "based" is and what basis am I removing you from.
genuinelly my train of thought when i first saw "based" being used kek
this is a giant extrapolation you made based on a desire to defend her and not a conclusion you reached and then sought to explain. It isn't legitimate and I won't refute it. Bitch has no excuse for not being fluent in Latin, end of discussion.
peak Dunning-Kruger brain. If you've studied a dead language you'd know no one is truly fluent. Academics rely on lexicons for obscure passages because they aren't native speakers, all the native speakers are dead.
>IT'S LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO LEARN THIS LANGUAGE PROPERLY BECAUSE THERE ARE NO NATIVE SPEAKERS LEFT
>YOU LITERALLY HAVE NO ABILITY TO LEARN WHAT'S IN THE REFERENCE BOOKS I-I MEAN YOU MUST CONSULT BECAUSE.. UH..... BECAUSE...
>JUST SHUT UP I'M THE EXPERT HERE
>doesn't know what a lexicon is
>thinks learning the grammar of a language is enough to understand it
how's your japanese studies going, homosexual? you're almost fluent, it's just kanji is too hard, right?
Not him but you're kinda retarded
i'm trans btw don't know if that matters
I don't know why you'd say you're trans after being called retarded, it's not really funny that way
I don't know about that. I was referring to early Classical more than anything.
a lexicon is a reference book that you use when you are not yet fluent in a language. If you have given up on learning and just want to use it forever, and then have the nerve to claim to be any kind of expert on the language, you are a fucking assclown.
Latin's lexicon is pretty tight and straight forward though. It's Greek that has the absolutely massive one-word-use vocabulary.
>It's Greek that has the absolutely massive one-word-use vocabulary.
There's an unknown word in the Lord's Prayer.
It's not a magical spell to banish people who don't agree with you, retard
why are zoomers so eager to defend a failed female academic?
She’s among the most successful actually, you denying an obvious truth is evidence of coping.
>If making shit up for political points and not being expert in Greek and Latin makes you bad, then why do all the other mutant psueds make her their lizard queen?
>whines online instead of doing anything to outpace her
reminder that the reason for this is the retarded fucking way latin is taught in universities and is put up with due to the ego of aging boomers like mary beard who are in positions of authority in spite of their incompetence.
That's completely different from not being able to read at all.
Also consider the huge range in time and space when these languages wrre used. I think you could hardly find a native speakers who can comfortably read Dickens, Shakespeare, a modern newspaper, LULZ posts, scientific papers, a book on siberian shamanism, and whatever random thing an Indian wrote in odd English.
That's completely different from not being able to read at all.
Also consider the huge range in time and space when these languages were used. I think you could hardly find a native speaker who can comfortably read Dickens, Shakespeare, a modern newspaper, LULZ posts, scientific papers, a book on siberian shamanism, and whatever random thing an Indian wrote in odd English.
So, she can read Latin, and you're a fucking retard. Thanks for clarifying.
I feel like with the sheer volume of translations and secondary literature that classics is one of the rare history fields that one could feasibly do good work in without a grasp of the original languages.
>I feel like with the sheer volume of translations and secondary literature that classics is one of the rare history fields that one could feasibly do good work in without a grasp of the original languages.
Not necessarily. If you're a young academic and you want an actual career in that field, you're unlikely to be able to make do with just the famous stuff. You're going to have to do both quantitative and qualitative analysis of cataloged votive altars, grave markers, tablets, et cetera - the type of stuff that occasionally yields something cool, but hasn't been touched by too many researchers yet.
>Having difficulty understanding complex passages =/= she can't read Latin/Greek.
If primary sources in a particular ancient language are central to your field of study, but you don't fully grasp that language, you might as well change your field of study. You're just going to do damage otherwise. In Beard's case - and, sadly, she is not the only one - ideology and ego "help fill in the blanks", leading to some absolutely retarded standpoints. As I recall, Beard's a big proponent of the idea that there was a significant Sub-Saharan African population in Roman Britain - not because she has evidence for this, but because she's not intellectually curious and there being a large Sub-Saharan African population in Roman Britain simply fits into her world view. Beard finds herself at the intersection - sorry, sorry - of incompetence, ideology and ego.
>I think you could hardly find a native speakers who can comfortably read Dickens, Shakespeare, a modern newspaper, LULZ posts, scientific papers, a book on siberian shamanism, and whatever random thing an Indian wrote in odd English.
While it would be a bit out of my comfort zone, I could read and comprehend all of that, and I'm not even a native English speaker.
>If primary sources in a particular ancient language are central to your field of study, but you don't fully grasp that language, you might as well change your field of study.
t. I have never met someone who studies ancient languages.
>Learning dead languages is hard and semi-impossible. I'm a classics scholar who can't or can barely read these languages and my Mommy says I'm smart, therefore original language primary sources are completely superfluous. I"M SMART DAMNIT! I DON'T NEED TO IMPROVE!
The truth is:
>you should have been taught these languages in High School if not earlier if you ever hoped to become a real classics scholar
>the universities have degraded into daycare centers over the course of fifty to one hundred years
>the modern bachelor's program delivers the same quality education that a public high school provided fifty years ago
>most people who go to college have no business being there
>the university should be the sole domain of obsessive 130+ IQ spergs
t. I have never met someone who studies ancient languages & I am also projecting.
This feels like retarded "she just should okay!!!". The classics were translated so well so many times and in such quantities that its completely legit to study them without the knowledge of the language.
this. if the classics is to survive as a field it just has to accept nobodys got the time or mental strength to study dead languages anymore. young peoples live in a much more stressful world with climate change and russian invasions. cut them soome slack
I became fluent in Old Norse at 16.
>IF THE CLASSICS ARE TO SURVIVE AS A FIELD WE HAVE TO REMOVE ALL STANDARDS AND RIGOR. I AM SMART!!!! HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ACADEMICS TO DEDICATE SO MUCH TIME TO SERIOUS STUDY OF THEIR FIELD?!
This thread is full of so much cope and seethe
This post cuts straight to the heart of the matter
Lmao this. People here think history = rattling off events and dates that happened.
How can you present a new viewpoiny of a source if you can’t accurately comprehend a source in the language it was written?
b-but I NEED to own da chuds by showing how heckin' multicultural and vibrant ancient greece and Rome was!
Imagine sinologists crying and whining that they shouldn't have to study classical chinese because it's too hard lol
Or an indologist having a meltdown over having to learn sanskrit
>young peoples live in a much more stressful world
>climate change and russian invasions
The effects of climate change are negligible for most people and the Russian invasion doesn't affect you if you don't live in Russia or Ukraine.
>young peoples live in a much more stressful world with climate change and russian invasions
students were learning latin and greek through the world wars and in times when poverty and struggle were the norm
This is just the state of British education since the 60s.
ITT OP takes a quote out of context and everyone believes him
I still refuse to believe this is a biological female
How so? White people age like shit.
Women naturally masculinize as they get older, Caucasian women in particular.
>Actually these passages are hard to read and nobody actually understands them. What do you mean that people entering university were expected to already have a firm understanding of greek and latin? Nobody has ever understood Greek or Latin. All Classics Scholars past and present suffer from the Chinese Room problem. You can't even prove they're sentient. Anyways, you don't need to read in the original because we have these fantastic translations.
i-is she hiding under my bed? :S
>can’t read Greek or Latin
2bf most romans or greek couldn't either
Lupa vetus tractat et fervet
>it's another Europeans being delusional episode
AFAIK this is completely normal in Classics
I agree that it's kind of funny but I haven't gotten far enough into my Latin studies to comment on whether her claims are justified or not
Also idk if I'm comfortable with the way people are making it seem as if Latin fluency is necessary for the study of Classics, it seems like quite a simplistic and naive view of what Classicists do
If the language is truly unlearnable, then of what use are the translations?
Mary Beard is talking about reading a text fluently as you would an English text i.e reading the text from left to right without thinking about grammar at all and arriving at the meaning of the sentence
If this is impossible to achieve for the majority of Latin authors than being able to read Latin non fluently through the grammar translation method in order to arrive at the meaning of Latin sentences would still be possible
Obviously translations would be possible as well
Translations are useful for understanding what a text is talking about
Yes, that was what actual classics scholars used to be capable of if they wanted a career in academia.
Mary Beard denies this is even possible because she is a shitlib, hack foid degrading an already degraded field. She's the equivalent of an illiterate farmer claiming roman ruins must have been built by giants because what human effort could achieve such a feat.
Do you have any evidence that that's true? I'm not sure that it has been all that common for scholars to be able to read Latin fluently at least in the past 100 years
If she wants to read a text in order to understand what it says for a paper she's writing she can use the grammar translation method or use someone else's translation and verify the meaning of a particular sentence by reading it herself in the original Latin
She can read and understand texts, it's just that she's reading them very slowly it's not affecting her ability to understand what they say and you shouldn't dismiss her expertise because of this
Btw I've talked to Europeans who are pursuing post grad studies in roman/early medieval/renaissance studies who tell me they can't read Latin fluently either despite having studied it in school as well as university
They were given the impression that the ability to read Latin fluently is extremely rare by their professors/lecturers
Btw if it wasn't obvious I'm trying to learn Latin in order to read Latin fluently, I'm just not going to make claims about what is or isn't possible until I've put the work in myself
Latin is a human language you fucking retard, why wouldn't it be possible to learn it fluently? Russian has a similar grammatical complexity and there are millions of terminally drunk peasants speaking it fluently.
Russian is WAY fucking more complicated than classical Latin. Latin has 5 cases, 5 declensions/conjugations, and they're highly regular. Russian has 6-10 cases depending on who you ask, and only 3 declensions but each of those declensions comes in a bunch of inconsistent variations that you just have to memorize.
I'm not sure if I agree but even if that was true, wouldn't that only strengthen the argument that Latin is not "impossible to learn"?
These people are like some kid going "this game is impossible to beat!" at some 80s NES video game. But these people are supposedly grown adults, university graduates at that.
I agree with you, it's ridiculous that people act like Latin is even particularly difficult, and the reason is because schools teach it in a stupid fashion. A professor of Latin already laid out the problem years ago: http://www.wcdrutgers.net/Latin.htm
>Btw I've talked to Europeans who are pursuing post grad studies in roman/early medieval/renaissance studies who tell me they can't read Latin fluently either despite having studied it in school as well as university
Not the anon you replied but I'd say this is more of a symptom of the precipitous decline of education over the last century than the proof that this is normal and nothing special. Like if Mill could read Plato at 8 and Moliére could learn Latin before French, then you absolutely can read the majority of non-technical/super fragmented/plain obscure shit like those Niebuhr and Wilamowitz-Moellendorff types used to in the past.
exactly what benefit do we get for teaching the general public greek and latin at age 8?
An actual culture? But you're right, we have to make time for those very important tranny lecture hours
what benefit we get by teaching kids history, maths and biology?
to get them being male to female wageslaves
I'm sure that ugly bitch will fuck all of you good boys if you keep simping for her political asset ass
I was retarded and took a meme modern language at university because it was easy.
Should I learn Latin anyways even if it will take longer for me to graduate?
I took Hebrew my senior year despite it having nothing to do with my major and already having language credits, but my circumstances made it so I had a lot of freedom in what classes I could take, even if it didn't count towards my major.
don't bother learning latin through a university, it will just slow you down and you might end up coping like mary does in
Learn it by the Dowling method, detailed at the link in
http://www.jonathanaquino.com/latin/ this website lets you do declension and conjugation tables easily.