>Oh no, I put my dick in a hole full of spiders out of my own free will and without any threat. Why didn't the hole's owner tell me the hole was full of spiders? As an arachnophobe I am disgusted and scarred for life.
Some people think human made veganas are icky. You should respect that
If you participate in degenerate hookup culture then this is what you fricking deserve. The entire point is to frick someone without knowing hem or their backstory. I’ve fricked people before who I later learned were furries, commies, and what not. Knowing that I wouldn’t have fricked them but we still both gave consent in the moment
FYI I have always told people because I don’t want situations like in the OP because it’s bad optics and it’s less drama and I do think people should know. It’s not rape though lmao!
If it wasn’t rape, you wouldn’t get murdered for it in 2022. It’s rape by deception. Same emotional damage as all other forms of rape. Thus the violent reaction.
2 years ago
15chan
>If it wasn’t rape, you wouldn’t get murdered for it in 2022.
if a white-passing black woman gets murdered by her partner in the 19th or early 20th century when he finds out she has black heritage, that means she raped him? him murdering her is proof she's a rapist?
no she's just getting white dick the only way she can in this racist world, nobody is judging white-passers retroactively.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>also promotes race mixing
You homosexuals are so deranged it's unreal
2 years ago
15chan
>white-passing
doesn't exist, afroid sheboons are always clockable as not white
>white passing black women
At this point I'm convinced trannies should be considered legally blind
There is no way anyone is this moronic
I'm white-passing chicana with black heritage dumbasses.
Miscegenation was illegal during that period so both would be guilty of a crime
even more reason to kill her, maybe he knew beforehand and still killed her like many trans panic cases today. can't let his ytoid wife and neighbors and abusive father find out.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>chicana
white
2 years ago
Anonymous
who is it
2 years ago
Anonymous
>white-passing
doesn't exist, afroid sheboons are always clockable as not white
2 years ago
Anonymous
You autistic fricks really need to touch grass
2 years ago
Anonymous
They'd rather sit inside and imagine fake scenarios where they get to frick a transwoman and then turn around and cry about being raped lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
>white passing black women
At this point I'm convinced trannies should be considered legally blind
There is no way anyone is this moronic
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, because that’s not rape by deception. He wanted a female, get got a female. Everyone knows all humans are mixed. It’s the way evolution works. Also his scenario would never happen because humans always tell people what race and religion they are. Only troons have zero human pride, and try to hide what they are.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, he wanted a WHITE female you fricking mutt.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He’s a mutt himself, pure whites don’t exist since they left their quarantine lands. If he can’t tell she’s mixed he’s a moron, and no black female is not going to tell you she’s black. It’s literally the first thing people tell you. No one hides their race, or their religion. They brag and advertise it openly like a tattoo. Your scenario doesn’t exist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wrong. That’s one of the main benefits of being able to get your DNA sequenced; there are still a lot of pure whites out there, even if they’re a blend of different Northern and Western European. Honestly people should be forced to disclose their sequencing info before sex.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol, cope from a “dying race” that produced you. A failed male who castrated himself and exists to trick white men out of breeding opportunities , while exposing them to monkey pox.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>all humans are mixed
shit bait
2 years ago
Anonymous
Science is not bait. You look nothing like your ancestors 2000 years ago.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Miscegenation was illegal during that period so both would be guilty of a crime
2 years ago
Anonymous
Imagining some macho white chud who finally got laid turning around and developing a victim complex because they found out the pussy they fricked was a transwoman's has got to be the most hilarious and pathetic thing ever. And then to act like it's equal to legitimately being raped lmfao. If anything is making you gay it's how much of a b***h you are.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s the only scenario I would actually feel bad for him. Even he doesn’t deserve that. He deserves a bullet maybe. But rape too? That’s too far even.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I just find the idea that sleeping with a transwoman you didn't know was trans is the same as being forcefully raped, or has the same effects. What an asinine thing to say. Imagine getting pussy and turning around and b***hing and moaning because you aren't secure in your sexuality. Very indicative of a whiny, petulant manchild.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No one cares what you approve. That’s how the human brain deals with it. It’s rape. You freaks constantly act as if you aren’t even human. With your fake “surprise” at obvious fricking reactions.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Trust me, I'm not surprised by it. Most trans people know to expect most cis people to act like complete fricking morons. The idea of a super manly dude crying alone in his room because he fricked a neopussy and feels violated now is what amuses me. If you're that insecure in your sexuality then maybe you should do some exploring.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then stop wasting your time arguing about it. You sound like an incel complaining that women like tall men. Yes, that’s how humans work. No shit. Nothing will change this behavior. It’s a core part of humans, not something more malleable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Women can like whoever they want and so can men. But if you retroactively decide you didn't like having sex with someone it isn't rape lol. And I frick pussy nightly because I can actually maintain a stable relationship unlike some of you psychotic fricks.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don’t care what you approve, you are an ultra minority, who will always be an ultra minority, who is allowed to exist by the whims of everyone else. You want to get yourselves wiped out. Go ahead, doesn’t effect 99.6% of everyone else on the planet. Adapt, die, whatever.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What I approve? I'm not approving anything I'm stating simple fact. It isn't rape. Just because you have some bad post-nut clarity and feel emasculated because you had sex with a transwoman doesn't mean she raped you lol.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s rape by deception. Literally a thing rapehon.
lol no I don't. I don't need to tell them I'm not white either.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There will be laws for this soon same as you're legally required to tell them if you're HIV positive
2 years ago
15chan
lol there will be laws against our existence soon. Roe v Wade was just overturned. I don't give a shit about the law anymore, the world is against us and always was.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Roe v Wade was just overturned
How does this concern troons you can't get pregnant
Or is your lust for dead babies that strong?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Fuel on the pyre. Conservatives tasted blood and are making moves to do more if their State didn't already have laws that kicked in after a Federal law no longer overrode it (see Texas). Bathroom bills and more are being discussed excitedly- they smell blood.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you dont exist thought, trans and gay arent identities, they are perversions and perversions are not pride worthy or rights worthy. Good news is, everyone can repent.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>this fricking pathetic inferiority complex nonsense again
Just don't fricking rape people. How is this hard for you to grasp? People like you SHOULDN'T exist.
2 years ago
15chan
>in the imaginary world in my head there are laws that make my fundamental existence illegal, therefore it is ok to rape people in the real world
seek. help.
it's not rape I already explained
>If it wasn’t rape, you wouldn’t get murdered for it in 2022.
if a white-passing black woman gets murdered by her partner in the 19th or early 20th century when he finds out she has black heritage, that means she raped him? him murdering her is proof she's a rapist?
no she's just getting white dick the only way she can in this racist world, nobody is judging white-passers retroactively.
and other people too
If i frick a guy who got hair transplants, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a bald guy
If i frick a guy who borrowed his boss’ maserati, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a brokie
If i frick a guy who lied about having a wife, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a married guy
If i frick a guy who lied about being good at video games, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a noob
If i frick a guy who has abs but he used to be fat, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a fat guy
If i frick a guy who didn’t tell me about his low credit score, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a guy with low credit score
where do they want to draw the line?
and I honestly think it's an insult to victims for you to say that shit. I hate rape and rapists, and moids who always defend their own when rape actually happens but there's no video proof, I have a thing about this more than almost anyone else on the board.
>I don't give a shit about the law anymore >ever giving a shit in the first place
I mean I guess I didn't. as long as it doesn't hurt people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i'm assuming you're autistic. you explained it in a way that only jives with other autists. return to society
2 years ago
Anonymous
>in the imaginary world in my head there are laws that make my fundamental existence illegal, therefore it is ok to rape people in the real world
seek. help.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don't give a shit about the law anymore >ever giving a shit in the first place
2 years ago
Anonymous
The HIV laws are actually fair though.
you can see in this follow-up image [...]
that it's not just one redditor, it's the majority of them and this is on a "sex-positive" sub and extremely pro-LGBT website that they're saying it's rape
or, you know, try being honest with your potential sexual partners.
i realize that honesty and integrity among trannies is basically unheard of, but give it a shot. you know, if you think you can break away from your busy routine of gaslighting and emotionally abusing your friends and family to justify your insane victim complex and disproportional need for attention.
pretending to be moronic, what a good look. who do you think you're fooling? you're only giving us a bad name moron.
i hate when trannies are tranpshobic and think they're better than other trannies but oh my god you're actually making me feel like that. frick you.
that it's not just one redditor, it's the majority of them and this is on a "sex-positive" sub and extremely pro-LGBT website that they're saying it's rape
it might be unethical and dangerous because of hate crimes but i don’t think it’s rape
the people obsessed with this topic aren’t the sort of people sleeping with anyone anyways, cis or trans
>she'd orgasmed during the piv and squirted in an unusually thick/forceful way that i hadn't seen in porn >that i hadn't seen in porn
lol
rofl
lmao
kek
honestly makes me think this might be a larp or something
idk that much about srs though i guess there could be some method that preserves that sort of thing
This isnt new and, yes, your partners ought to know before the clothes come off. Mostly because you're looking for a certain set of genitalia before you go so far.
>hookup with a guy >consent to have sex >leave satisfied >decide to look up his social media after cause im a stalker >he used to be a child >tfw he didnt disclose this to me >tfw im a pedophile now >the police are at my door
fricking rapists
>on date with guy >he shows up in a fancy BMW >this guy's loaded, oh boy >go back to his place, have sex, enjoy myself >go our separate ways after that >look him up after the fact >turns out he only borrowed the car from his older brother, and he actually drives a dumpy old Corolla >my world falls apart >call the police through inconsolable tears >the operator tries to console me, tells me everything is going to be alright >I tell her everything... tell her that the bastard only drives a Honda >the phone operator goes silent for awhile >after a bit, she returns: "we're sending a SWAT team to the guy's house >hear about it later on the news >he's going to jail for the rest of his life >they tell me his Honda had a rusted out bumper with an old Ron Paul 2012 sticker on it >I don't care >all that I care about is that justice was served
It clearly wasn't a big deal, either way. The hypothetical guy couldn't even tell she was trans.
you can't consent to something if you're not properly informed about it
in which case a person can't legitimately consent to fricking a non-disclosing troony
so yes in both cases there's a lack of consent and therefore it's rape
so if I am not attracted to buddhists, then have sex with someone whom I later figure out is buddhist, is that rape too? What if a guy lies about how big his dick is?
2 years ago
Pomegranate
well no sweaty thats fine because muh sOcIeTy says its ok
>autogenerated username (Adjective_Noun_####) >There was also an unusual smell which made me want to finish and get out quickly >she'd orgasmed during the piv and squirted in an unusually thick/forceful way that i hadn't seen in porn
I'm going with troll larp
the responses are still disappointing
>be vegan >meet cute boy >he wants to cook for me >i tell him i'm vegan. he says ok! >consent to have dinner >have dinner >get home >stomach a bit upset. lactose intolerance? >think back to dinner- some things seemed like they could have actually been cheese instead of substitute... >ask boy >"oh yes, i used a lot of eggs and cheese and even some meat. i tricked you, i knew you were vegan but i did it anyway" >wtf >be mad. he's mad i'm mad. >AITA r*ddit???
trannies are so far up their own asses with the victim complex shit that they see the above trickery as ok. everyone is just a prop for them to use in their emotional sad-sack narrative to buy victimization points so they feel justified in the absolutely shitty way they treat everyone around them.
no, i don't, at all.
first of all, "clockiness" is a completely subjective measure between individuals, cultures, subcultures, races, etc. you're all freaks about it and, as usual, expect someone to both recognize and ignore how "clocky" or "non-clocky" you are, so that way you can play the victim card regardless of what they do.
secondly, if you're forming a relationship with a male, and you appear to be a female, any reasonable human would assume that you are a biological female. you're exploiting this prevailing assumption by being willfully ignorant of it, hoping they'll just come to the wrong conclusion and thus it won't be "your fault" because it's not "your fault" they didn't think to ask their potential partner the extremely inappropriate question of "hey you didn't used to be a man and get your dick cut off RIGHT?"
but you're not really ignorant to the assumption, you're completely aware of it. you're choosing to ignore it to make yourself feel better and get dicked down. that is the deceit. you're hoping they don't challenge it. and if they did? you'd be just as fricking livid when they turned you down that they would have the gall to clock you and then deny you sex.
but ok, i'll roll with it. here's an amended scenario for you. >be me, muslim girl in a muslim country >well-known almost everyone here avoids pork for well-known religious reasons >meet cute boy >he wants to cook for me >consent to have dinner >have dinner >get home >think back to dinner- i couldn't identify all the meat >ask boy what that dish was >"oh yes, i used a lot of pork in with the other meat. i know most of you avoid eating it but i added it anyway and didn't tell you" >wtf >be mad. he's mad i'm mad. >AITA r*ddit???
there you go. i removed the affirmative informed consent step at the beginning since you trannies can't do informed consent, and i replaced it with an exploitative and willful ignorance of the prevailing expectations of one's culture and society.
2 years ago
15chan
>"livid"
as if I haven't been clocked and rejected for being trans, quietly or overtly. and every time I "understand", take it graciously, and cry and self-harm or get high at home like a self-respecting person. you're the ones who imagine we get angry. it's the same feeling as when I got kicked out of a female friend's house by her mom for being trans as a teenager. it's exclusion and it sucks platonically, romantically, and yes sexually altho I haven't had "real" sex. but I'm sure it also sucks. but any non-rapist, like us, would take it graciously and cry at home.
>well-known almost everyone here avoids pork for well-known religious reasons >and i replaced it with an exploitative and willful ignorance of the prevailing expectations of one's culture and society.
okay so you kind of successfully made it analogous here. it's "well-known" that the majority of people are transphobic. but then you're just suggesting we need to wait until the majority of people aren't transphobic. and then it becomes a question of why the number of people who have a positive or negative opinion of us as partners, should determine the morality of this?
I mean you're right that that's what's gonna end up happening, we'll just wait until it's normalized and then I'll be too old to have sex.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but then you're just suggesting we need to wait until the majority of people aren't transphobic.
sure, but for the remaining ones who aren't transphilic, or until that time, you could just stop maintaining a willful ignorance of the fact that most straight cis men will only want to frick cis women... and communicate about it early-on and genuinely like an adult.
yes, rejection sucks, i'm sorry. i'm a cis gay male and i've also been rejected many times - with physical violence in some instances - by men i thought there was a budding emotional and possible romantic connection forming with. i obviously lack the ability to trick them into fricking me like a trans individual has, and if i had that ability i would fricking NEVER use it, that's so fricked up.
tricking someone into fricking you will only ever deepen anti-trans and general anti-LGBT sentiment in the individual, and if you're hoping for more than a quick lay, is obviously an absolutely unacceptable foundation for a continued relationship.
talk. like. an. adult.
you won't always get what you want but when you do you'll have done it the right way.
2 years ago
Anonymous
she did not get pork raped
you seriously think that situation translated to a sexual encounter is rape?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>i did something to you without telling you >i know you most likely would not have wanted it to happen >but i didn't ask you first, thus you didn't say no >and you didn't tell me not to specifically do that, either, despite it being completely reasonable to assume that you would if you had thought of it >therefore what i did is ok >and you are not allowed to be upset by this >in fact, you must now let me do it again anytime i want
2 years ago
Anonymous
you're trying to say she was forced to eat pork
she wasn't, she consented to eating meat
the guy giving it to her wasnt malicious
she can feel bad about it all she wants but she can't claim she was forced to eat the meat
2 years ago
Anonymous
she consented to eating dinner within a context where the prevailing assumption of any reasonable human would be that it would be extremely intolerable to consume pork. this assumption was exploited, willingly. the guy was absolutely malicious. he chose to ignore this well-known assumption and decide for himself, and by not asking or bringing it up, hoped she would simply not notice. this is deceit. 100% unethical.
i never bought in to the bullshit "trans people are rapists" narrative because it's the same false narrative used against gays for decades, but you and this thread in general are working very hard to challenge that. extremely disgusting.
for the record, as a gay male, i have zero issue with having a sexual, romantic, or other relationship with a trans man. i'm a top and i'm into masculinity and submission of masculinity, not wiener - the rest is personality. but if a trans man somehow willingly hid their nature from me until after i fricked them, in some fricked up attempt to "gotcha" me like this, i would feel disgusted and used and would absolutely consider it a violation, of my trust and my body.
2 years ago
Anonymous
maybe you should stop viewing it as someone trying to trick another and instead as someone engaging in consensual sex with their body
theres no deception, a woman with a vegana is a woman with a vegana, if you dont like the vegana then stop consenting and stop having sex with them
feeling gross afterwards because she has a y chromosome and then trying to call that rape is insane
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's a penis turned inside out. Some people find that gross.
2 years ago
Anonymous
then retract your consent when youre grossed out
if you learn later and get grossed out that doesnt make it rape
2 years ago
Anonymous
According to Usa,Uk and Isreal laws yes it is.
If you need to lie about something to get someone to have sex with it is indeed rape its called rape by deception.
This woman for example raped a straight woman by pretending to be a man online and demanding she wears a blindfold while having sex and she went to prison for 8 years in 2015
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-34799692
Rape by deception is illegal in Uk,Usa and Isreal so if anyone finds out youre actually a man afterwards they can tell the police and send you to jail in these countries.
2 years ago
Anonymous
are you unable to understand how some people would find sex with trannies gross? and if you DO understand, then that means that you're being deceptive by withholding what you know is potentially important information.
deceptive.
2 years ago
Anonymous
sorry anon i dont assume everyone is disgusted by trannies, so no they're not being deceived
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sorry anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
now ask if theyd frick a post op troony
all those cissoids are imagining a dick girl
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah the Redditors in the OP thread specifically are saying it's rape with this post-op trans not disclosing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Transphobes hunt for posts like this so they can raid them and updoot all their own replies to the top
2 years ago
Anonymous
Haha no it was up for less than 30 minutes before being [removed] and you can sort the comments by "old" to see the instant responses
2 years ago
Anonymous
So.. They made it and shared the post to their little discord server or whatever so they could immediately fill the replies
2 years ago
Anonymous
First comment sorted by old (49 points):
>Uh.. yeah dude.. in my opinion that is rape. You didn't have enough info to truly consent so that is just like rape. You were duped into having sex with her.. straight up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They're really not.
I wouldn't date a post op transperson because I don't want to date someone dysphoric, mental illness sucks.
2 years ago
Anonymous
this isn't assuming everyone is disgusted by trannies, all you need to know is that a significant amount of people are and that's enough for somebody to argue that you are deceiving people to get sex from them. because you don't know if your prospective partner is disgusted by trannies.
let's not deviate from the subject. what's wrong with my logic here? are you gonna contest that transphobes are not a "significant" amount of the poplation or what? i wanna see you weasel your way out of this.
When I was upfront, I would get all manner of rapey pigs talking about how they'd beat me me if I didn't put out, "they'd never hit a real woman, but...", how they'd still be able to overpower me, talking about how they'd get away with it because "no one cares if a troony gets raped." Then I switched to stealth, and like magic, all that shit went away and I was treated like a human being. Yeah, million times safer in my experience.
[...]
That's not what rape is. Stop insulting actual rape victims by minimizing it down to petty shit like this.
you're only proving my point. disclosing ended up in pointless transphobic threats, not violence. you're admitting that you're rolling the dice every time you have sex with one of those transphobes. one slip and those threats are no longer threats and the transphobe will go into a blind rage..
what's more dangerous? receiving a pol tier dm cause you diclosed or hoping that the transphobe that's currently penetrating you stays ignorant about the truth lest he kill you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
frankly i'm a pretty fricking accepting person.
in this context, i'm clearly already into you.
if you were to tell me, i'd be chill.
if i had suspected before we fricked and i asked, and you told me the truth, i'd be chill.
if i found out that you willfully evaded the topic until after we fricked in the hopes it'd just "blow over" or in some attempt to "gotcha" me or for any other reason, i'd feel abused and disrespected as a human. and yes, you ignoring the fact that i would have been assuming you're cis due to that being the prevailing circumstance in our society counts as willful evasion.
you can spin it any way you want, you're a shit person if you think it's ok to do this. abusing another person like this for your own sexual gratification is fricked, and you're fricked.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>or in some attempt to "gotcha" me or for any other
you keep assigning such malicious intent
2 years ago
Anonymous
because it's a fricking malicious act
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nope
2 years ago
Anonymous
absolutely.
doing something to someone that you know they won't approve of, and justifying it on some kind of technicality, is absolutely malicious.
and besides, your opinion of what counts as malicious towards someone is significantly less relevant than the target's opinion.
>oh sorry officer no i didn't do anything wrong. you have to let me go, ok? really i'm the victim. >see i don't think it's wrong at all to beat women. >it's not malicious. i've deemed it as such. >i don't care if you, and society in general, and the woman disagrees. >i'm right to hit this woman and, frankly, she consented to it by entering into a relationship with me in the first place. >it's not my fault she didn't ask if i was a physical abuser first. i had no obligation to tell her i physically assault all my partners, either. >she really should have just known.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its disingenuous to make a comparison that involves actual harm
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's disingenuous of you to insinuate that most people in our society would not view the intentional avoidance of informed consent as abusive and ethically bankrupt under the most permissive interpretation, and just rape by other interpretations.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bro what
Do I need to tell you how many wisdom teeth I got removed or else you'll cry rape too? Stop with the hysterics
2 years ago
Anonymous
nobody cares about your wisdom teeth, but millions of people care about you being trans to the point that they'd kill you over it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Seems like the choice to stay stealth is the safest most prudent choice then
stop arguing in such bad faith, holy shit.
just stop trying to pretend that straight cis males are not primarily seeking cis females. just stop trying to pretend that the world is full of straight cis males who will be 100% ok with fricking a trans female and not being told about it.
these things are simply not true, as much as it sucks, and as much as you want it to be true it does not make them true.
percentage of men who give a shit about the number of widsom teeth someone has had removed prior to having sex with them: less than 1% at worst
percentage of men who give a shit about the gender information of someone prior to having sex with them: over 95% [...]
you are a rapist. that you defend this mindset so thoroughly is vile. you and those who think like you are doing a disservice to the LGBT community by strongly reinforcing the stereotype that we're all predatory rapists.
Hey if any guy says he hates trannies I'll just ghost him, np. Otherwise it's safe to assume he's into tranners when his dick is at full mast and he's pinning me to the bed so, cope+seethe
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Seems like the choice to stay stealth is the safest most prudent choice then
google gay panic and tell me if all of those dead trans women would agree with you had they not been murdered for their imprudence
>what's more dangerous? receiving a pol tier dm cause you diclosed or hoping that the transphobe that's currently penetrating you stays ignorant about the truth lest he kill you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Seems like the choice to stay stealth is the safest most prudent choice then
seems like terrible logic. when your hot extreme-homophobe extreme-transphobe masc man's wiener slips into your obvious-as-frick neovag and he connects the dots suddenly, he's going to punch you in the back of the head until your skull caves in.
meanwhile if you'd just been an honest adult who respects other people as humans and disclosed early, you risk just getting some nasty names thrown at you by the loser and on you move on to someone who also accepts and respects you as a human. saved time for everyone.
you're either suicidal or a rapist. no, wait, you're both.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Hey if any guy says bla bla bla
one again, a blunt declaration that you don't respect other people's preferences in the slightest, and that everything is about you, and you're more than happy to just be a vile fricking rapist.
good work, you're championing the "lgbt = rapists" stereotype very well.
Seems like if it's such a huge deal for you you should just bring it up to your potential dates as a deal breaker
2 years ago
Anonymous
yep, also if you're aware being trans is a deal breaker to a lot of people you should disclose. don't neglect your own responsibility.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mmm nah, not my responsibility
>bring up every possible thing you're not cool with even if it appears to otherwise have no bearing on the current circumstance
lol
this only makes sense if it was considered unusual to have a problem with someone misrepresenting themselves intentionally to get in your pants. but no, most people think that's wrong. you're the odd one out.
spin it however you want, rapist. you fricking disgust me. you KNOW it's going to be a big deal to most people you're targeting, and you choose to conceal it anyway and hide behind a veil of "w-w-well you didn't ask the magic question!!" because you're a selfish c**t who doesn't respect other people in the slightest and just wants to use them for your own sexual gratification with no regard for their opinion. aka rapist.
Well, yeah? If it's such a huge problem for you why wouldn't you just bring it up to make sure it doesn't happen?
2 years ago
Anonymous
lol. you're such a disingenuous rapist of a homosexual. thanks for giving all of us a bad name.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>us
>its their responsibility not mine >why?? just cause omg just let me keep raping people lolllll
>it is le RAPE if I enjoy having sex with you then find out later I don't like you!
2 years ago
Anonymous
the whole thread is full of arguments that spell out how being deceptive to get sex is rapey. wouldn't expect a rapist to be honest about this subject though ofc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>deceptive
You keep using that word. I do not think that word means what you think that word means
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Deception can involve dissimulation, propaganda and sleight of hand as well as distraction, camouflage or concealment. >concealment
2 sec google search. from wikipedia though so you can probably weasel out of this by saying source is invalid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you say that, essentially every sexual activity in the history of existence involved deception, so it's kind of a meaningless point. Thanks for clarifying
2 years ago
Anonymous
of course a literal rapist assumes everybody deceives to get sex
2 years ago
Anonymous
bump
2 years ago
Anonymous
job interview a: >anxious person puts on a brave face and acts like a confident person to get the job
job interview b: >manipulative liar pretends to be something he's not, lying about qualifications
you: omg these r literally the same!
2 years ago
Anonymous
don't even bother. they're unapologetic rapists. it's a point of pride for them. they will never admit that raping people is wrong or that what they do is wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. they'll always have some justification for how it doesn't count. all they care about is treating other people like objects to get their rocks off.
2 years ago
Anonymous
unironically #notalltrannies
2 years ago
Anonymous
i know, i meant "them" in the sense of "sociopathic, narcissistic predators" not "trannies"
some trans folks, i assume, have a moral core of some kind
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm glad we're on the same page, you just aren't really making the connection between your point and mine
2 years ago
Anonymous
if you can't see any meaningful difference between interview a and interview b nor the equivalent sexual encounters, you are a highly damaged, narcissistic, and corrupt individual and your opinions on what things are right and wrong are completely irrelevant and outright dismissable. thank you for conceding that so clearly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh, lol did you think the equivalent is scenario b? You're hopeless
2 years ago
Anonymous
>its their responsibility not mine >why?? just cause omg just let me keep raping people lolllll
2 years ago
Anonymous
>bring up every possible thing you're not cool with even if it appears to otherwise have no bearing on the current circumstance
lol
this only makes sense if it was considered unusual to have a problem with someone misrepresenting themselves intentionally to get in your pants. but no, most people think that's wrong. you're the odd one out.
spin it however you want, rapist. you fricking disgust me. you KNOW it's going to be a big deal to most people you're targeting, and you choose to conceal it anyway and hide behind a veil of "w-w-well you didn't ask the magic question!!" because you're a selfish c**t who doesn't respect other people in the slightest and just wants to use them for your own sexual gratification with no regard for their opinion. aka rapist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Hey if any guy says bla bla bla
one again, a blunt declaration that you don't respect other people's preferences in the slightest, and that everything is about you, and you're more than happy to just be a vile fricking rapist.
good work, you're championing the "lgbt = rapists" stereotype very well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
stop arguing in such bad faith, holy shit.
just stop trying to pretend that straight cis males are not primarily seeking cis females. just stop trying to pretend that the world is full of straight cis males who will be 100% ok with fricking a trans female and not being told about it.
these things are simply not true, as much as it sucks, and as much as you want it to be true it does not make them true.
percentage of men who give a shit about the number of widsom teeth someone has had removed prior to having sex with them: less than 1% at worst
percentage of men who give a shit about the gender information of someone prior to having sex with them: over 95%
Sorry anon.
you are a rapist. that you defend this mindset so thoroughly is vile. you and those who think like you are doing a disservice to the LGBT community by strongly reinforcing the stereotype that we're all predatory rapists.
>cute boy invites me over for chili >hell yeah I love chili! >cute boy cooks vegan chili >enjoy the chili >later casually mentions it had no meat in it >what the frick?? You veggie raped me you liberal homosexual!!
moronic. you inverted the scenario.
in your example, there is a concealed removal of something found desirable. removing something you know the other person would appreciate doesn't make the rest undesirable.
in mine and OP's example, there is the concealed introduction of something found undesirable. introducing something you know the other person would not accept if they knew makes the entire experience undesirable and immoral.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, you're just mad the counterparty can't read your mind. You could literally prevent all this if you just say "hey btw if you're trans I'm not ok with this" in the same way you'd say that if you don't want vegan food
2 years ago
Anonymous
lol again with the autistic lack of understanding of socially acceptable behavior
2 years ago
Anonymous
being trans is the exception, not the norm. you're fully aware of the prevailing assumption that cis men will only want to frick cis women, but are choosing to ignore it in the hopes they won't think about it. YOU could avoid all of this by just saying "hey btw i'm trans is that ok?" but you won't because you're a selfish c**t who wants their dick even if you have to exploit a person's reasonable expectations to get it.
rejection sucks, yes. tricking people into not rejecting you doesn't mean you aren't getting rejected, though, it doesn't mean it won't happen anyway, it means they'll just reject you even moreso when you're found to have willfully lied to them by omission and willfully discarded their preferences.
then they're not just rejecting you because you're trans, they're rejecting you because you're a shitty person, a liar, and an abuser.
2 years ago
Anonymous
But if you want to frick me then you want to frick trans women too. There's no trickery, I'm not blindfolding you, wysiwyg, so if you're attracted to me then you're attracted to trans people. No problem.
If you're gonna sperg out about it still just say it, it's not my responsibility to manage your hangups.
Right. Unless you're a complete self-righteous myopic c**t, show the same respect for cis people you expect them to show you. I'd beat this person's ass if I met them for making us all look like deviants.
Is this not the equivalent of a woman having a disappointing sexual experience because her partner had a really small penis? Should men have to disclose their penis size before sex to ensure their partner will be okay with it? I don't think a lot of them would like that.
Might not be false, Could be that every neovegana is different due to it being a surgery with different methods. ex: how Jazz Jenning's result is probably different than yours
there’s some things about srs that are individual, but no neovegana is “too loose” and “no grip” lol. much more likely to have tightness and trouble getting in. the ejaculation is also ridiculous, even pre-op trans women in hrt don’t shoot like men but this person clearly thinks we do before and after surgery. the post is obviously a lurid fantasy of someone who knows nothing about trans women and our bodies.
Any assertion that it is rape is based around the false premise that transwomen are still men, which in turn makes the assertion completely false. If a straight man has sex with a woman, both consensually, how is that rape?
men are literally taught to view normative white cis women as prizes since almost the moment they're born, you think they can just unlearn that? this is why they don't bring us home to their families, their family wants to see a stacey. even cis women have problems with this in a ton of scenarios.
Straight up. That's what it all centers around. Lesbians are a good example too. Disheartening how many of them have the same sort of mindset as well. Really makes me doomer as frick.
Tbf, rape by deception is an actual crime in many European countries. So if you fail to disclose something like that, they other side can press charges if they wish to do so.
In some states in the US there's a thing called rape-by-fraud, so even if your state doesn't have it as a law, they can ref other states' laws if need be, so, realistically, it's possible to persecute a trans person who didn't disclose. But given the antics of American men, they prefer to just beat up or murder trannies and then rely on trans panic in conjunction with other laws/loopholes to reduce or avoid the sentence.
I guess the assumption is that he's fricking a cis woman which a trans woman is not. Both cis and trans women are women, but trans women still aren't biological/cis women. Things get even spicier if a troony didn't change her papers or something.
>I guess the assumption is that he's fricking a cis woman which a trans woman is not. Both cis and trans women are women, but trans women still aren't biological/cis women. Things get even spicier if a troony didn't change her papers or something.
It shouldn't matter. Our attraction and sexualities aren't based on chromosomes. When you meet an attractive person its their figure or face you're noticing. You can't see their genitals and definitely not their chromosomes. So why should anyone feel insecure in their sexuality if they have sex with someone they found sexually attractive? Why is it suddenly rape even though you were turned on and ready to go, thinking you were having sex with a woman (which you were)?
>It shouldn't matter
But that's the thing, it does matter to cis people.
And genitalia matter a lot when it comes to sex, they're basically the most important part during sex, they're THE tools we use for fricking after all. I actually don't like how many trans people try to downplay the importance of genitalia. It's pretty dishonest. Sure, bottom dysphoria is a b***h, so you might want your genitalia not to matter, but they do and a lot.
I mean I'm an androphilic troony, but if a guy I hooked up with turned out to be trans, I'd just apolgise and bail out because I'm not into that kinda stuff. I know because it happened to me. And a cis person wouldn't be as understanding if they're in my shoes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Exactly! That’s why it’s also rape to trick a girl into thinking you’re richer than you really are. Finding a partner who can provide for your children is part of a woman’s fundamental biology, with millions of years behind it; it makes such a huge difference in mate selection that deceiving a woman like that invalidates whatever consent the poorgay may have weaseled out of her.
2 years ago
Anonymous
“with millions of years of evolution* behind it” I mean
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'll agree that genitals matter to some extent. But if they're post SRS then that point is moot. Not to mention that it doesn't make it rape if you don't like their genitals, and still decide to go through with it too. A woman can't say a dude with a small dick raped her because he couldn't meet her expectations.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>But if they're post SRS then that point is moot
Idk, maybe in the case of MtFs and depending on how good/convincing that neocooch is, but FtM SRS is, unfortunately, vastly more inferior. The guy had phallo with prosthetics, and it wasn't exactly convincing when he's on all fours with his ass up, it's actually pretty sad and uncanny. Just to make things clear, I'm a top, I need my bottom to have an actual dick otherwise it just doesn't look right to me, and my monke brain shorts. And a pussy, be it neo or bio, is just a big no-no.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's fair. I guess my whole issue is that you weren't raped or deceived. You were just disappointed with what your potential partner had. That doesn't make them a bad person or a liar. But you're entirely entitled to see what someone has going on under their pants and decide you don't want to have sex. You can stop for whatever reason you want.
I'm 23/m. I met a woman on Tinder. older than me (34/f) but I was still attracted, we
agreed to meet at her place. it was dark and she had music going, we barely talked before starting
we did piv for a while but i struggled to come and had to be blown to completion. I would say i couldn't come due to Performance anxiety but that isn't exactly true. her vegana felt oddly loose like no 'suction', and unusually ‘stinky’ and wet. There was also an unusual smell which made me want to finish and get out quickly. The other TMI thing that happened, which is important to mention because it's what made me think the most, was that she'd orgasmed during the piv and squirted in an unusually thick/forceful way that i hadn't seen in porn.
when I returned to my place I thought about this encounter a lot and realized something may have been very off. after some prying over chat, she disclosed to me that she is black, but white-passing, and had a kid. I feel like if I had known this then I wouldn't have agreed to the encounter at all, and have regret to the point of having frustrating recurring thoughts and even dreams about what happened. I feel like I was deceived, but was i? do I need to just accept what happened?
Oh well, it's kind of bad that you don't tell your suitor some details about you, that can generate regret later, like if you go out with a person who has HIV, and they don't tell you, maybe they's hiding important details! But I don't think this is rape, lol.
lol it’s Cis; that tripgay’s gonna wind up in the news at 38 as one of those lesbians who tricks an underage teenage girl into sex by pretending to be a teenage boy, and she’ll probably spend the whole trial making a stink about how either all trans women are rapists or she’s not.
True, but I still stand by my point because this is very confusing and I want to appear reasonable to both sides!
lol it’s Cis; that tripgay’s gonna wind up in the news at 38 as one of those lesbians who tricks an underage teenage girl into sex by pretending to be a teenage boy, and she’ll probably spend the whole trial making a stink about how either all trans women are rapists or she’s not.
Well, yes, it seems likely, but if it's over 14, well, it won't go anywhere, that's Bostil's age of consent, and troublesome or not, no one has been arrested for impregnating a girl that age, and much less a malicious cross-dresser who pretended to be a boy to have sex with a teenager.
And I would quote men who marry teenagers, not trans women, I have nothing against them lol.
Reasonable is recognizing that if you want to make sure 100% that you aren't having sex with a trans person then stop sleeping around with people you don't know and actually form a bond with the people you frick if you want to know their chromosome status.
2 years ago
Cis >:V
But isn't there the common sense to talk first? I know it could be, I don't know, that you don't want to say you're transsexual, but the person you're going to be intimate with can't know? After all it is an intimate relationship and you are expected to be honest before having sex, talk about your preferences, what you like and don't, if you have experience and if you have any information that you feel is relevant to share! Or will everyone have to stalk everyone else's social media?
Even bisexual cis girls say they are bisexual to whom they are going to have sex, lol.
why aren't we working towards a society where humans are genetically engineered and grown in artificial wombs with sex and other forms of physical pleasure completely outlawed?
but sex is literally primitive behavior that has no actual benefits while also contributing to disease spread and social decay. not to mention the fact that human births are ridiculously damaging to women's bodies, etc.
there is literally no reason why we can't get rid of the concept of "sex" in the future
Yes! And also it’s important to make sure that it’s WLGBMAP (white gay, lesbian, bisexual, and minor-attracted persons). It’s the next step in civil rights.
No MAP is part of LGB, we don’t want anything to do with the T or any of those gender freaks, but we are an orientation
2 years ago
Anonymous
Every single MAP has neopronouns and uses transsexuality as a reasoning why we should be able to transition ages MAPs are most definitely more under the T umbrella than the LGB one.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, most MAPs are just normal men and women who happen to have an age sexual orientation
2 years ago
Anonymous
Troon hands wrote this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Every single MAP has neopronouns and uses transsexuality as a reasoning why we should be able to transition ages MAPs are most definitely more under the T umbrella than the LGB one.
Disgusting. It’s called NAMBLA not NATBLA; trannies have never been part of our (LGBMAP) community
I am a trans woman so interested in any credible stories I read but not able to directly experience the man's part...
everyone seems to agree the taste smell etc. is fine except if she has an infection (unfortunately gynecological care is very much lacking for us). usually it's reported as being especially tight. lube might be required but a trip to the pharmacy shows lube is mostly used by cis people anyway. I make enough if he's willing to spend time on foreplay tbh. we don't ejaculate and I expect have more problems orgasming from penetration than cis women anyway. the hole has to be in line with the space between the bladder and rectum, but the clit has to be where the penis stuck out to begin with. it makes for a longer average slit length and a greater average distance between vegana and clit.
so you produce precum (same function you ejaculate from) but you don't ejaculate upon orgasm? I saw a video of a post-op MTF ejaculating with orgasm so I know it does happen with some
for me, the concept that you can produce natural lube via precum but somehow don't ejaculate is odd, why would that happen for some/most? just weakened tube strength or something?
yeah something like that. the prostate and cowper's glands are homologous to the skene's and bartholin's glands and now serve the same purpose though the plumbing is a bit different. I don't think the erection mechanism that holds it in works like that anymore due to a combination of being scalpeled away and hormones.
if it was the same video that I saw that was posted here a few weeks ago I don't believe it was a mtf...
foul smell proof:
>A normal sized speculum (2.5 cm wide) could be used in 74% of women (37/50), whereas the smaller type (2.0 cm wide) had to be used in the remainder of women. Only in one patient insertion of a speculum was impossible due to almost complete obliteration of the vegana. Although this was not a study criterion and therefore not scored, a foul smell of the vegana was observed in most patients.
yeah I've had a gram smear too... "normal veganal flora"
notice their conclusion was "their veganas are fricked" rather than "I wonder if we could treat them"
as I said gynecological care is very much lacking
2 years ago
15chan
so we'll just never have good veganas? so we'll have to get SRS and then never have sex? I guess that's okay..... I was kind of looking forward to it since cis women and afabs act like it's great, but....
2 years ago
Anonymous
what are you on about my vag is great? cis attitudes are shit but it is possible to find someone and it's great.
2 years ago
15chan
yeah but one of them was "destroyed" and all of them smelled bad in that study?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just get someone who appriciates the weird smell like how many people are disgusted by the smell of cheese but also many people love cheese smell.
2 years ago
15chan
well rn it kinda smells musky but almost salty or like seafood? like a sea cucumber or smth? is that what they mean?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Apparently it smells closer to a subtle shit smell from what i read but that doesnt have to be the case for you sometimes trans veganas dont smell like anything just like the read thing so you should definitely try it and then you can get another penis made out of your thigh with silicon testicles if you dont like it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah well... mine isn't like that
I suspect defeatist attitudes from doctors play a large role in trans women's veganal health. that is disheartening but not overcomable if you know what you're up against.
>A normal sized speculum (2.5 cm wide) could be used in 74% of women (37/50), whereas the smaller type (2.0 cm wide) had to be used in the remainder of women. Only in one patient insertion of a speculum was impossible due to almost complete obliteration of the vegana. Although this was not a study criterion and therefore not scored, a foul smell of the vegana was observed in most patients.
Deceitful but not rape >cool face i wanna frick >cool body i wanna frick >cool hole i literally frick under no duress or impairment >oh no. i was raped
Totally consensual the entire time, post fact regret doesn't qualify, make better decisions such as not having sex with complete strangers
If he was raped, then she was also raped. After all, I'm sure she wouldn't have had sex with him if she'd known he was the kind of absolute beta who would be so distraught by it. Maybe he shouldn't trick women into thinking he's not some whiny bigot.
I don't think you're serious but I do actually think that SRS should require signing a contract stating you understand stealthing or attempted stealthing will lead to jail time minimum
If i frick a guy who got hair transplants, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a bald guy
If i frick a guy who borrowed his boss’ maserati, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a brokie
If i frick a guy who lied about having a wife, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a married guy
If i frick a guy who lied about being good at video games, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a noob
If i frick a guy who has abs but he used to be fat, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a fat guy
If i frick a guy who didn’t tell me about his low credit score, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a guy with low credit score
is common sense that much a struggle with trans people? i mean is there an autism/trans connection maybe? these comparisons are nonsensical to 99% of society
> these comparisons are nonsensical to 99% of society
but they’re sensical to me, and that’s all that fricking matters. If I wouldn’t date by ANY MEANS the people i listed, are you saying that they have the right to rape me by omission?
you are not the sole decider of what 'rape' means in society
2 years ago
Pomegranate
Oh ok so it’s okay if I get raped by omission, right?
God, conservatives are such sick people
2 years ago
Anonymous
good luck convincing society you were raped because nondisclosure of hair transplants, which is your terrible argument that you think is clever.
2 years ago
Pomegranate
who the frick cares if society thinks that it should matter?
IT MATTERS TO ME, and that’s all that matters. Wow, everyone, look at the conservatives justifying rape.
Disgusting
2 years ago
Anonymous
sure and if you rape a child it's ok because to YOUR brain it wasn't rape, right? well, cry about it in prison
2 years ago
Pomegranate
Are you moronic? Like actually braindamaged?
Having sex with a minor is in NO WAY comparable you fricking degenerate.
Sheesh, conservatives showing their true colors: fricking a transperson is the same thing as fricking a child
YIKES
2 years ago
Anonymous
My point that you're pretending not to get is that your maincharacter-syndrome about what rape is and isn't doesn't define how society defines it regardless of how infuriating or depressing it may be. So disclose.
2 years ago
Pomegranate
So the only reason something is or isn’t rape is determined by how icky society sees it as? How childish. You disgust me
2 years ago
Anonymous
defining rape by societal consensus is pretty fricked up, it wasn't so longer ago that marital rape wasn't considered rape
based pedophilia enjoyers
2 years ago
Pomegranate
Consensual sex is in no way comparable to non-consensual sex with a minor. Are you actually moronic?
2 years ago
Anonymous
"consent" is defined based on social consensus you fricking moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
Both of these (trans sex without disclosure) , (adult with minor) are rape because of the un-ignoreable background of reality/science despite any, say, MAP push of "oh children are just as smart as adults" or LGBT push of "oh but transwomen are just like real women".
2 years ago
Anonymous
insane
2 years ago
Pomegranate
"consent" is defined based on social consensus you fricking moron
God conservatives make me so fricking sick.
2 years ago
Anonymous
defining rape by societal consensus is pretty fricked up, it wasn't so longer ago that marital rape wasn't considered rape
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yep, though I would say aversion nondisclosure of a sex change is more based on science/reality and is thus more likely to stick than something of social politics. Unless in the future they literally have chromosome-warping procedures
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I would say aversion nondisclosure of a sex change is more based on science/reality
then you'd be wrong, your sexual preference isn't 'science'
if you have a dealbreaker, then be upfront about it before having sex
2 years ago
Anonymous
unfortunately it's scientific fact that MTFs aren't females, FTMs aren't males, neoveganas aren't veganas, and neopenises aren't penises. Do you really disagree?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sophie if I kissed you on the head (non consensually) what would you do
t. ConservaChud 3000
2 years ago
Anonymous
>IT MATTERS TO ME, and that’s all that matters
why? why does this matter?
2 years ago
Pomegranate
because this is me getting MY consent swindled with? are you insane???
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah but why do you matter? also im a different outraged anon. You're positing a position where you're the only human being who matters and whose consent matters hence the conflict here. Therefore the question of why do you specifically matter is legitimate.
2 years ago
Anonymous
With literally everything dating it's up to you to communicate your red flags to a potential partner. It's up to you to parse whether a person is the kind you're attracted to, it's up to you to make sure they're old enough, it's up to you to ask whether they have any diseases you should know about, it's up to you to figure out whether they have any dealbreakers for you. It's completely childish to expect a complete stranger to do that work for you, then accuse them of rape when they don't. That's not how any of this works at all.
Nope. Even MTFs hate being clocked. Also it sounds like you wouldn't even answer honestly to "Btw are you trans?" since you'd go as far as to want to stealth sex them anyway.
>y-you wouldn't even tell the truth anyways!!!
You just can't win with these people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
isn't nondisclosure of STDs already considered rape? or is it only AIDS
2 years ago
Anonymous
STDs are different, because that puts you at risk of consequences beyond that initial contact.
I mean yeah, some of you legit think you are "actual women" and already answer that way when inquired. But YOU at least agree those people would be rapists, correct?
If someone asks if you're trans and you lie? Yeah I'd say that's rape by deception. But if they never even ask? Nah dude I really don't care.
Also I don't want to have sex with someone who doesn't consider me a real woman. So, should everyone I date have to openly declare their beliefs on trans women before they have sex with me, else it's rape?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Also I don't want to have sex with someone who doesn't consider me a real woman.
Do you even consider yourself a real woman?
Good luck.
2 years ago
15chan
lmao like I said you don't need to push far at all
if you push them just a little bit on this front, the mask slips, "you can't force men to have gay sex!"
and ofc you see the ones saying "I wouldn't have minded, it's just because you LIED!" lol. yeah i'm sure you wouldn't have minded dude.
in the end we're just not desired because we don't validate men as men and we don't validate lesbians as lesbians.
attention ladies, cisoids are incapable of seeing you as a real woman even if you've known it deeply and as real as something can be real, since you were 12 or whatever. you will never be the girl they take home, the girl they write songs about, the girl they're proud to show their family, the girl they imagine marrying in the future. you are not that girl for any of these people. they're right, we should avoid having sex with them, but not for the reasons they say lol.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What about chasers who think transgender bodies are the bee's knees?
2 years ago
15chan
yes I recognize that, where cis people are concerned, trans-amorous folks are the only ones who will date us. and I don't think it's a choice, it's a sexuality or kink or w/e.
but my opinion depends on how much internalized transphobia they've allowed to pathologize their attraction to us in their own heads, thinking we are "less than real women" on some level, characterizing the relationship as gay or necessarily bi, or thinking we're "better than foids" for w/e reason. I just want to be your girl. a princess, a lady. none of this weird shit please. don't make it weird dude.
but I know my prince charming will never come. I'm dating a beautiful adorkable trans girl rn anyway. things will work out. but the fact that I couldn't have a normal life because of transphobia will always be true. don't pretend this is normal or the "just the way of the world".
2 years ago
Anonymous
lmao
a chaser has been redefined in recent time to not just mean someone transphilic, but to also cover the neutral folks in the middle who are genuinely just ok either way.
trannies don't want to date someone who "likes them for them" or who learns they were trans and goes "oh, that's cool with me!". that means the person will tolerate deviancy from gender norms and that does nothing to directly affirm their new gender identity.
and they certainly don't want to date someone who actually strives for dating/fricking trans people. that means the person celebrates deviancy from gender norms and that DEFINITELY does nothing to affirm their new gender identity.
no, they have such a deep-seated desperate need to be assured by others that they're now real girls or real boys that they will only tolerate being with people who are actively transphobic. they want the reveal. they want a man who is disgusted by men to find out and decide that, well, they're a girl now so it doesn't matter in the end. that validates their transition, it proves that they made the right choices and it proves that they're indistinguishable from the real deal.
this doesn't work, of course.
people notice, and men who are revulsed by men will never think about an ex-man the same way, ever. it sucks but it's true.
as usual, it's a trans person using the people around them as pawns in some emotional validation game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah dude obviously
Thank you, though I don't need luck. I already trapped me a good bf/ soon to be husband <3
being trans is the exception, not the norm. you're fully aware of the prevailing assumption that cis men will only want to frick cis women, but are choosing to ignore it in the hopes they won't think about it. YOU could avoid all of this by just saying "hey btw i'm trans is that ok?" but you won't because you're a selfish c**t who wants their dick even if you have to exploit a person's reasonable expectations to get it.
rejection sucks, yes. tricking people into not rejecting you doesn't mean you aren't getting rejected, though, it doesn't mean it won't happen anyway, it means they'll just reject you even moreso when you're found to have willfully lied to them by omission and willfully discarded their preferences.
then they're not just rejecting you because you're trans, they're rejecting you because you're a shitty person, a liar, and an abuser.
bruh if you want to frick me, then you don't just want to frick cis women. Reeeally hate to break it to ya
if you really think disclosing is more dangerous than fricking having stealth sex with a transphobe you're a damn idiot.
oh that's right you want to frick people who want to kill you, and that's why you don't disclose
I've never stealth sexed, but I have stealth dated. It was 10000% safer than early disclosure.
Just take some fricking responsibility for your own preferences. Christ...
2 years ago
Anonymous
He's going to notice your dilators and lack of menstruation and figure out you're not female. Hopefully you told him your trans status?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It was 10000% safer than early disclosure.
says who? WHAT are you even basing this on? you're making up excuses because you just dont want to tell people you're trans, period. and it has nothing to do with safety, it's just you being selfish and abusing people's trust.
2 years ago
Anonymous
When I was upfront, I would get all manner of rapey pigs talking about how they'd beat me me if I didn't put out, "they'd never hit a real woman, but...", how they'd still be able to overpower me, talking about how they'd get away with it because "no one cares if a troony gets raped." Then I switched to stealth, and like magic, all that shit went away and I was treated like a human being. Yeah, million times safer in my experience.
rape is sex without informed consent. you should disclose information that you could reasonably assume your partner may care about.
Since most people are transphobic, it is reasonable to assume your partner may want to know you are trans.
That's not what rape is. Stop insulting actual rape victims by minimizing it down to petty shit like this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why were you hanging out with rapey people? It sounds like you're hooking up with people at sleazy bars.
I assume most people are good people and wouldn't treat me as anything other than the woman I am so, sounds good to me
Look at
Sorry anon.
2 years ago
15chan
victim-blaming already???
2 years ago
Anonymous
>bruh if you want to frick me, then you don't just want to frick cis women. Reeeally hate to break it to ya
willingly-exploitative rapist mindset.
i would most likely be down to frick you just fine if not for the fact that you're a vile festering pit of a human being with no ethical core.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I've never stealth sexed, but I have stealth dated. It was 10000% safer than early disclosure.
Safer to not tell someone you're dating that you're trans? What is the logic there?
2 years ago
Anonymous
if you tell someone you're trans they will backtrace your ip and the consequences will never be the same
2 years ago
Anonymous
if you pair bond first he'll be less likely to immediately break up with you without proper consideration.
also tell over the phone to reduce chance of hatecrime.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>if you pair bond first he'll be less likely to immediately break up with you without proper consideration.
so be deceptive until the person is too emotionally attached to you to break up with you by the time you're honest with them?
nope, no red flags here. everybody should just accept trannies btw lolol
2 years ago
Anonymous
well its certainly not rape. and ideally you tell them at the point where they will seriously think about it. like around the 3rd date.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>well its certainly not rape
arguable. you seem to admit that this behavior is deceptive and we both know that the trannies who behave like this do it with the express purpose of getting relationships and sex. deception with the intent of getting sex. what does that sound like?
>and ideally you tell them at the point where they will seriously think about it. like around the 3rd date.
ideally you wouldn't play manipulative games like this with other people but oh well
2 years ago
Anonymous
it sounds like a regular relationship to me, where you put your best foot forward on for the first date, then tell the important stuff later on.
ideally, no one would be transphobic or care about a post-op troony being trans
2 years ago
Anonymous
fair enough, a certain amount of deception is normal in relationships. when it comes to transgender stuff however that is super important information to a lot of people, it's not like pretending you like the arctic monkeys to have more in common with your partner though.
gay panic is a thing, is that enough to understand how vital this information is to some people? this is not a tiny little lie, some people will literally kill you if you're trans.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i really honestly think most straight man will simply just break up and not harbor a hard feeling or feel violated by going on a couple dates with a troony. at least where I live (california).
2 years ago
Anonymous
sure, and a rapist could say that the women he lied to in order to have sex with them are proobably gonna be ok and not gonna end up traumatized. maybe he's right, who knows? i'd rather tread on the safe side.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you should definitely do what makes you comfortable. this is mostly a thought exercise for me as I'm celebrating my 1 year anniversary (t4t) today.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Would it be ok in your opinion for someone to lie about being a millionaire to get in someone's pants and then admit it was a lie several dates later? Legally that's rape.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i meant no sex for the first 3 dates. i'm not a prostitute.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And if he reveals he has a neopenis then what?
2 years ago
Anonymous
then we fugggg 😀
2 years ago
Anonymous
you dont get it anon
trannies are inherently deceptive and everything they do is deception
a girl with a vegana cant just have sex without disclosing her medical history or else shes deceiving them because shes not actually a girl with a vegana
2 years ago
Anonymous
Telling people your trans status before having sex with them is a good way of getting rid of people who don't consider transwomen to be real women
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's also a good way of attracting the people who want to fricking kill us
2 years ago
Anonymous
if you really think disclosing is more dangerous than fricking having stealth sex with a transphobe you're a damn idiot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh that's right you want to frick people who want to kill you, and that's why you don't disclose
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean yeah, some of you legit think you are "actual women" and already answer that way when inquired. But YOU at least agree those people would be rapists, correct?
anyone here thats triggered by stealth sex and worries about the 'rape' of a man is malebrained >t. hsts who plans to deep stealth and stealth sex without remorse
Wtf reddit is based and NSFFW is cringe now?
This is kind alike that time when democrats and republicans switched araund.
I guess im moving to reddit now.
>Trans women are women its not rape to lie about your sex >negative 11 score >A reply telling him that "male to female women will never be female to female women" >+2 points
yup theyre coping about their ball ginas!
2 years ago
Anonymous
You have very poor reading compression don't you anon.
do intersex people need to disclose that their chromosomes dont match their genitals
is it rape if they dont
or are they not as icky and deceptive as trannies so it doesnt matter
If you need to lie about something to get someone to have sex with it is indeed rape its called rape by deception.
This woman for example raped a straight woman by pretending to be a man online and demanding she wears a blindfold while having sex and she went to prison for 8 years in 2015
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-34799692
Rape by deception is illegal in Uk,Usa and Isreal so if anyone finds out youre actually a man afterwards they can tell the police and send you to jail in these countries.
>If you need to lie about something to get someone to have sex with it is indeed rape its called rape by deception.
what's the lie? OP redditor never asked if she's trans
very worrying how you view those as the same thing
stay away from children
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh? but your point is that if they couldn't tell in the moment, then it was all fair play?
2 years ago
Anonymous
children are unable to consent
you should stop arguing they can
these are not similar situations at all
2 years ago
Anonymous
you can't consent to something if you're not properly informed about it
in which case a person can't legitimately consent to fricking a non-disclosing troony
so yes in both cases there's a lack of consent and therefore it's rape
2 years ago
Anonymous
and to add for the room temp IQs in the room, children can't consent because their brains aren't fully developed yet and don't fully understand the consequences of their actions
it's literally the same shit here
2 years ago
Pomegranate
> you can't consent to something if you're not properly informed about it
I could argue that you now think that nobody has consented to sex ever
Who are you to decide that the trans info is a MUST? If it’s such a big deal, shouldn’t they just fricking ask? If she then says no, then yes, that’s rape.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Who are you to decide that the trans info is a NOT MUST?
2 years ago
Pomegranate
answer my question first gay
If it’s such a big deal to everyone else, shouldn’t they just fricking tell?
If they refuse to tell despite knowing it matters to almost everyone, then yeah that's rape.
I didn’t realize we know the entirety of people’s mental states prior to sex.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If it’s such a big deal to everyone else, shouldn’t they just fricking tell?
If they refuse to tell despite knowing it matters to almost everyone, then yeah that's rape.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's not how communication works. If it is that important to you that who you are dating isn't trans, then you need to make that clear. It's not some stranger's job to parse every preference you may or may not have for you. Have some responsibility for your own preferences, for frick's sake.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Imagine having trouble getting laid on Tinder and then finally scoring a chick but then LGBT buttholes wanting YOU to risk your chances by having to insult them by asking, "Btw, are you trans?" which they will certainly read as "Btw, you look like a man"
Post-op'ers are < 0.01% of the population; you don't get to dictate how hetero interactions go
2 years ago
15chan
>Imagine having trouble getting laid on Tinder
bruh I think you said it all right here LMAO
2 years ago
Anonymous
back to grindr for you
2 years ago
Anonymous
Here's the thing: if you honestly thought it were rape, then it would be obvious common sense that you would ask. You'd ask every single person you ever thought of fricking, so that you never have to risk it. Maybe you'd miss out on the occasional tinderella who takes the question weird, sure, but that's just the cost of doing business.
But it's pretty obviously not rape in the slightest, so you don't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nope. Even MTFs hate being clocked. Also it sounds like you wouldn't even answer honestly to "Btw are you trans?" since you'd go as far as to want to stealth sex them anyway.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It was actually a common incel tactic to make fake Chad profiles on dating sites and to ask the women if they were trans. Every single one posted got offended at being asked.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>some incels trolling is definitely reliable data
opinion completely disregarded
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh and also, there was an actual attempt to popularize a label for unwilling-to-frick-trans.
It was called "SuperStraight", and it was canceled.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you consent to frick the troony
feeling gross about it later doesn't retract consent
if the neo vegana grosses you out then stop sex and retract consent
you can't retract afterwards
went to jail in the UK lol. and yes we might get done dirty like this too. so? it's the law, not an omniscient judge of actual morality. remember when CeCe McDonald went to jail for stabbing and inadvertently killing her would-be attacker/rapist/killer? no white cis woman would go to jail for that. and it's literally been a trope since early 2000s SVU that we get done dirty. so what? it just means avoid transphobic guys as partners, generally.
>If you need to lie about something to get someone to have sex with it is indeed rape its called rape by deception.
what's the lie? OP redditor never asked if she's trans
A man saying that hes a woman is a lie just like how a woman saying shes a man is a lie too.
Just go for other fellow gay guys in drag like this guy
went to jail in the UK lol. and yes we might get done dirty like this too. so? it's the law, not an omniscient judge of actual morality. remember when CeCe McDonald went to jail for stabbing and inadvertently killing her would-be attacker/rapist/killer? no white cis woman would go to jail for that. and it's literally been a trope since early 2000s SVU that we get done dirty. so what? it just means avoid transphobic guys as partners, generally.
instead of trying to deceive and gaslight people into doing something they dont want to do if they werent being lied to.
it is a hate crime for cis men to not want to date and frick trans females in the same way it is a hate crime for attractive straight men to not be willing to date and frick gay bottoms.
if you have to trick someone into fricking you, they didn't frick you, they fricked an imaginary version of you that you needed to construct to get their dick. if you can't see that this is immoral as hell, then you're a lost cause.
Hiding things from people or "deceiving them" isn't rape though. People have been deceiving others for sex for centuries. Whether its men lying about what kind of job they have or women having plastic surgery or people lying about their sexual pasts, deceit is part of the game. People are only upset because a form of "deceit" they don't like is in play now.
>Hiding things from people or "deceiving them" isn't rape though.
it is because it changes the accepted terms of consent. Consent should be understood as "i consent based on these understood set of circumstances or conditions." Changing those circumstances requires a reevaluation of the consent. This is why this kind of deception is being considered rape and why removing a condom mid-sex is considered rape.
>People are only upset because a form of "deceit" they don't like is in play now.
This. Women are all about deceiving men to get what they want and men literally brag about lying to women to get sex.
>A normal sized speculum (2.5 cm wide) could be used in 74% of women (37/50), whereas the smaller type (2.0 cm wide) had to be used in the remainder of women. Only in one patient insertion of a speculum was impossible due to almost complete obliteration of the vegana. Although this was not a study criterion and therefore not scored, a foul smell of the vegana was observed in most patients.
kinda beginning to understand why terfs consider transwomen rapists. not only do you struggle with the very concept of consent, but many of you seem to full on refuse allow others to make informed choices regarding their bodies. The mental gymnastics you use to justify this behavior and thought processing is really quite disgusting.
It's her business to disclose whether she is pre or post op. Anyone saying it's deception, rape or both is clinically moronic and needs to be dumped on the surface of the moon.
i simply find it hilarious that trannies have such low self esteem that they go out of their way to hide their identity just so they can frick people who would actually be disgusted by them if they knew the truth
Ciswomen looking for a one night stand probably wouldn't care, they expect their partners to be promiscuous. In a relationship yes, people should disclose their dating history.
i'm post op
i've had sex with men.
meet them on grindr. was very clear about the situation.
would frick again.
much better to be honest about it so you can enjoy yourself. i got to try way more positions and things. it's awesome. not every guy is going to be ok with it. some guys have noted my pheremones were off and it's not like banging a cis girl. regardless, they can tell the difference. penis's are sensitive. i will say a ribbed condom makes all the difference.
stealth sex denies them the right to fully consent. if they don't understand what they're getting into they can feel betrayed and have a right to be upset. it's a medical condition. if you had aids, you should probably tell people before you have sex with them. they have a right to know.
That scenario is 100% rape.
The trans woman should press charges.
You absolutely must disclose your transphobia to someone you intend to have sex with. Not doing so is rape by deception.
Don't people realize that there are a quite a lot of people whose careers and lives would be effectively over if it ever came to light that they had intercourse with a transperson? I'm not saying that they wouldn't deserve being exposed but if it's about your safety you should realize turning yourself into walking blackmail material and thus a target for people who work in conservative circles if you go stealth and in some way they learn about your transgender status.
That's because it is under deception.
it is though
Broken clock
Oh no, I put my dick in a hole, out of my own free with and without any threat. Turns out the hole wasn't always there, this is literally rape
It's more like
>Oh no, I put my dick in a hole full of spiders out of my own free will and without any threat. Why didn't the hole's owner tell me the hole was full of spiders? As an arachnophobe I am disgusted and scarred for life.
Some people think human made veganas are icky. You should respect that
If you participate in degenerate hookup culture then this is what you fricking deserve. The entire point is to frick someone without knowing hem or their backstory. I’ve fricked people before who I later learned were furries, commies, and what not. Knowing that I wouldn’t have fricked them but we still both gave consent in the moment
Rapist logic but it’s not a surprise. This is why people treat troons so badly. You groomers deserve all of the hate.
FYI I have always told people because I don’t want situations like in the OP because it’s bad optics and it’s less drama and I do think people should know. It’s not rape though lmao!
If it wasn’t rape, you wouldn’t get murdered for it in 2022. It’s rape by deception. Same emotional damage as all other forms of rape. Thus the violent reaction.
>If it wasn’t rape, you wouldn’t get murdered for it in 2022.
if a white-passing black woman gets murdered by her partner in the 19th or early 20th century when he finds out she has black heritage, that means she raped him? him murdering her is proof she's a rapist?
no she's just getting white dick the only way she can in this racist world, nobody is judging white-passers retroactively.
>also promotes race mixing
You homosexuals are so deranged it's unreal
I'm white-passing chicana with black heritage dumbasses.
even more reason to kill her, maybe he knew beforehand and still killed her like many trans panic cases today. can't let his ytoid wife and neighbors and abusive father find out.
>chicana
white
who is it
>white-passing
doesn't exist, afroid sheboons are always clockable as not white
You autistic fricks really need to touch grass
They'd rather sit inside and imagine fake scenarios where they get to frick a transwoman and then turn around and cry about being raped lol
>white passing black women
At this point I'm convinced trannies should be considered legally blind
There is no way anyone is this moronic
No, because that’s not rape by deception. He wanted a female, get got a female. Everyone knows all humans are mixed. It’s the way evolution works. Also his scenario would never happen because humans always tell people what race and religion they are. Only troons have zero human pride, and try to hide what they are.
No, he wanted a WHITE female you fricking mutt.
He’s a mutt himself, pure whites don’t exist since they left their quarantine lands. If he can’t tell she’s mixed he’s a moron, and no black female is not going to tell you she’s black. It’s literally the first thing people tell you. No one hides their race, or their religion. They brag and advertise it openly like a tattoo. Your scenario doesn’t exist.
Wrong. That’s one of the main benefits of being able to get your DNA sequenced; there are still a lot of pure whites out there, even if they’re a blend of different Northern and Western European. Honestly people should be forced to disclose their sequencing info before sex.
Lol, cope from a “dying race” that produced you. A failed male who castrated himself and exists to trick white men out of breeding opportunities , while exposing them to monkey pox.
>all humans are mixed
shit bait
Science is not bait. You look nothing like your ancestors 2000 years ago.
Miscegenation was illegal during that period so both would be guilty of a crime
Imagining some macho white chud who finally got laid turning around and developing a victim complex because they found out the pussy they fricked was a transwoman's has got to be the most hilarious and pathetic thing ever. And then to act like it's equal to legitimately being raped lmfao. If anything is making you gay it's how much of a b***h you are.
It’s the only scenario I would actually feel bad for him. Even he doesn’t deserve that. He deserves a bullet maybe. But rape too? That’s too far even.
I just find the idea that sleeping with a transwoman you didn't know was trans is the same as being forcefully raped, or has the same effects. What an asinine thing to say. Imagine getting pussy and turning around and b***hing and moaning because you aren't secure in your sexuality. Very indicative of a whiny, petulant manchild.
No one cares what you approve. That’s how the human brain deals with it. It’s rape. You freaks constantly act as if you aren’t even human. With your fake “surprise” at obvious fricking reactions.
Trust me, I'm not surprised by it. Most trans people know to expect most cis people to act like complete fricking morons. The idea of a super manly dude crying alone in his room because he fricked a neopussy and feels violated now is what amuses me. If you're that insecure in your sexuality then maybe you should do some exploring.
Then stop wasting your time arguing about it. You sound like an incel complaining that women like tall men. Yes, that’s how humans work. No shit. Nothing will change this behavior. It’s a core part of humans, not something more malleable.
Women can like whoever they want and so can men. But if you retroactively decide you didn't like having sex with someone it isn't rape lol. And I frick pussy nightly because I can actually maintain a stable relationship unlike some of you psychotic fricks.
I don’t care what you approve, you are an ultra minority, who will always be an ultra minority, who is allowed to exist by the whims of everyone else. You want to get yourselves wiped out. Go ahead, doesn’t effect 99.6% of everyone else on the planet. Adapt, die, whatever.
What I approve? I'm not approving anything I'm stating simple fact. It isn't rape. Just because you have some bad post-nut clarity and feel emasculated because you had sex with a transwoman doesn't mean she raped you lol.
It’s rape by deception. Literally a thing rapehon.
It is rape. Most people think it is rape. That’s why no one cares when troons get murdered. We know it’s always for being rapey sex pests.
so basically we just shouldn't have sex with cis people? at all?
You have to tell thrm you're a trannt you fricking idiot
lol no I don't. I don't need to tell them I'm not white either.
There will be laws for this soon same as you're legally required to tell them if you're HIV positive
lol there will be laws against our existence soon. Roe v Wade was just overturned. I don't give a shit about the law anymore, the world is against us and always was.
>Roe v Wade was just overturned
How does this concern troons you can't get pregnant
Or is your lust for dead babies that strong?
Fuel on the pyre. Conservatives tasted blood and are making moves to do more if their State didn't already have laws that kicked in after a Federal law no longer overrode it (see Texas). Bathroom bills and more are being discussed excitedly- they smell blood.
you dont exist thought, trans and gay arent identities, they are perversions and perversions are not pride worthy or rights worthy. Good news is, everyone can repent.
>this fricking pathetic inferiority complex nonsense again
Just don't fricking rape people. How is this hard for you to grasp? People like you SHOULDN'T exist.
it's not rape I already explained
and other people too
and I honestly think it's an insult to victims for you to say that shit. I hate rape and rapists, and moids who always defend their own when rape actually happens but there's no video proof, I have a thing about this more than almost anyone else on the board.
I mean I guess I didn't. as long as it doesn't hurt people.
i'm assuming you're autistic. you explained it in a way that only jives with other autists. return to society
>in the imaginary world in my head there are laws that make my fundamental existence illegal, therefore it is ok to rape people in the real world
seek. help.
>I don't give a shit about the law anymore
>ever giving a shit in the first place
The HIV laws are actually fair though.
lol. reddit is extremely transphobic in general
Yes. Or just I don’t know tell them what you are before raping them?
or, you know, try being honest with your potential sexual partners.
i realize that honesty and integrity among trannies is basically unheard of, but give it a shot. you know, if you think you can break away from your busy routine of gaslighting and emotionally abusing your friends and family to justify your insane victim complex and disproportional need for attention.
pretending to be moronic, what a good look. who do you think you're fooling? you're only giving us a bad name moron.
i hate when trannies are tranpshobic and think they're better than other trannies but oh my god you're actually making me feel like that. frick you.
>the sex i consented to was actually rape because of outside factors that had nothing to do with my choices or actions in the moment
>redditor posted something!
>they have negative opinions about post op trannies!!
>oh nooo
why do you care:?
you can see in this follow-up image
that it's not just one redditor, it's the majority of them and this is on a "sex-positive" sub and extremely pro-LGBT website that they're saying it's rape
>extremely pro-LGBT website
lol stop. all of my irl friends know reddit as "that chud website".
This. Nobody on here is moronic enough to get srs anyway
it might be unethical and dangerous because of hate crimes but i don’t think it’s rape
the people obsessed with this topic aren’t the sort of people sleeping with anyone anyways, cis or trans
>she'd orgasmed during the piv and squirted in an unusually thick/forceful way that i hadn't seen in porn
>that i hadn't seen in porn
lol
rofl
lmao
kek
honestly makes me think this might be a larp or something
idk that much about srs though i guess there could be some method that preserves that sort of thing
I don't think I took that in properly until now. Lord.
This isnt new and, yes, your partners ought to know before the clothes come off. Mostly because you're looking for a certain set of genitalia before you go so far.
Most straight men think the same.
>hookup with a guy
>consent to have sex
>leave satisfied
>decide to look up his social media after cause im a stalker
>he used to be a child
>tfw he didnt disclose this to me
>tfw im a pedophile now
>the police are at my door
fricking rapists
>t. still an actual child
nah im 18 now, that's why i dont get banned anymore
>on date with guy
>he shows up in a fancy BMW
>this guy's loaded, oh boy
>go back to his place, have sex, enjoy myself
>go our separate ways after that
>look him up after the fact
>turns out he only borrowed the car from his older brother, and he actually drives a dumpy old Corolla
>my world falls apart
>call the police through inconsolable tears
>the operator tries to console me, tells me everything is going to be alright
>I tell her everything... tell her that the bastard only drives a Honda
>the phone operator goes silent for awhile
>after a bit, she returns: "we're sending a SWAT team to the guy's house
>hear about it later on the news
>he's going to jail for the rest of his life
>they tell me his Honda had a rusted out bumper with an old Ron Paul 2012 sticker on it
>I don't care
>all that I care about is that justice was served
>fricking someone's inverted ball sack is the same as lying about what car you drive
It clearly wasn't a big deal, either way. The hypothetical guy couldn't even tell she was trans.
so if I am not attracted to buddhists, then have sex with someone whom I later figure out is buddhist, is that rape too? What if a guy lies about how big his dick is?
well no sweaty thats fine because muh sOcIeTy says its ok
>autogenerated username (Adjective_Noun_####)
>There was also an unusual smell which made me want to finish and get out quickly
>she'd orgasmed during the piv and squirted in an unusually thick/forceful way that i hadn't seen in porn
I'm going with troll larp
the responses are still disappointing
>consent to sex
>have sex
>regret it after the fact
>HOLY SHIT I MUST'VE BEEN RAPED
>be vegan
>meet cute boy
>he wants to cook for me
>i tell him i'm vegan. he says ok!
>consent to have dinner
>have dinner
>get home
>stomach a bit upset. lactose intolerance?
>think back to dinner- some things seemed like they could have actually been cheese instead of substitute...
>ask boy
>"oh yes, i used a lot of eggs and cheese and even some meat. i tricked you, i knew you were vegan but i did it anyway"
>wtf
>be mad. he's mad i'm mad.
>AITA r*ddit???
trannies are so far up their own asses with the victim complex shit that they see the above trickery as ok. everyone is just a prop for them to use in their emotional sad-sack narrative to buy victimization points so they feel justified in the absolutely shitty way they treat everyone around them.
>i tell him i'm vegan. he says ok!
you don't see how your food analogy breaks down right here? if a woman is clocky just ask.
no, i don't, at all.
first of all, "clockiness" is a completely subjective measure between individuals, cultures, subcultures, races, etc. you're all freaks about it and, as usual, expect someone to both recognize and ignore how "clocky" or "non-clocky" you are, so that way you can play the victim card regardless of what they do.
secondly, if you're forming a relationship with a male, and you appear to be a female, any reasonable human would assume that you are a biological female. you're exploiting this prevailing assumption by being willfully ignorant of it, hoping they'll just come to the wrong conclusion and thus it won't be "your fault" because it's not "your fault" they didn't think to ask their potential partner the extremely inappropriate question of "hey you didn't used to be a man and get your dick cut off RIGHT?"
but you're not really ignorant to the assumption, you're completely aware of it. you're choosing to ignore it to make yourself feel better and get dicked down. that is the deceit. you're hoping they don't challenge it. and if they did? you'd be just as fricking livid when they turned you down that they would have the gall to clock you and then deny you sex.
but ok, i'll roll with it. here's an amended scenario for you.
>be me, muslim girl in a muslim country
>well-known almost everyone here avoids pork for well-known religious reasons
>meet cute boy
>he wants to cook for me
>consent to have dinner
>have dinner
>get home
>think back to dinner- i couldn't identify all the meat
>ask boy what that dish was
>"oh yes, i used a lot of pork in with the other meat. i know most of you avoid eating it but i added it anyway and didn't tell you"
>wtf
>be mad. he's mad i'm mad.
>AITA r*ddit???
there you go. i removed the affirmative informed consent step at the beginning since you trannies can't do informed consent, and i replaced it with an exploitative and willful ignorance of the prevailing expectations of one's culture and society.
>"livid"
as if I haven't been clocked and rejected for being trans, quietly or overtly. and every time I "understand", take it graciously, and cry and self-harm or get high at home like a self-respecting person. you're the ones who imagine we get angry. it's the same feeling as when I got kicked out of a female friend's house by her mom for being trans as a teenager. it's exclusion and it sucks platonically, romantically, and yes sexually altho I haven't had "real" sex. but I'm sure it also sucks. but any non-rapist, like us, would take it graciously and cry at home.
>well-known almost everyone here avoids pork for well-known religious reasons
>and i replaced it with an exploitative and willful ignorance of the prevailing expectations of one's culture and society.
okay so you kind of successfully made it analogous here. it's "well-known" that the majority of people are transphobic. but then you're just suggesting we need to wait until the majority of people aren't transphobic. and then it becomes a question of why the number of people who have a positive or negative opinion of us as partners, should determine the morality of this?
I mean you're right that that's what's gonna end up happening, we'll just wait until it's normalized and then I'll be too old to have sex.
>but then you're just suggesting we need to wait until the majority of people aren't transphobic.
sure, but for the remaining ones who aren't transphilic, or until that time, you could just stop maintaining a willful ignorance of the fact that most straight cis men will only want to frick cis women... and communicate about it early-on and genuinely like an adult.
yes, rejection sucks, i'm sorry. i'm a cis gay male and i've also been rejected many times - with physical violence in some instances - by men i thought there was a budding emotional and possible romantic connection forming with. i obviously lack the ability to trick them into fricking me like a trans individual has, and if i had that ability i would fricking NEVER use it, that's so fricked up.
tricking someone into fricking you will only ever deepen anti-trans and general anti-LGBT sentiment in the individual, and if you're hoping for more than a quick lay, is obviously an absolutely unacceptable foundation for a continued relationship.
talk. like. an. adult.
you won't always get what you want but when you do you'll have done it the right way.
she did not get pork raped
you seriously think that situation translated to a sexual encounter is rape?
>i did something to you without telling you
>i know you most likely would not have wanted it to happen
>but i didn't ask you first, thus you didn't say no
>and you didn't tell me not to specifically do that, either, despite it being completely reasonable to assume that you would if you had thought of it
>therefore what i did is ok
>and you are not allowed to be upset by this
>in fact, you must now let me do it again anytime i want
you're trying to say she was forced to eat pork
she wasn't, she consented to eating meat
the guy giving it to her wasnt malicious
she can feel bad about it all she wants but she can't claim she was forced to eat the meat
she consented to eating dinner within a context where the prevailing assumption of any reasonable human would be that it would be extremely intolerable to consume pork. this assumption was exploited, willingly. the guy was absolutely malicious. he chose to ignore this well-known assumption and decide for himself, and by not asking or bringing it up, hoped she would simply not notice. this is deceit. 100% unethical.
i never bought in to the bullshit "trans people are rapists" narrative because it's the same false narrative used against gays for decades, but you and this thread in general are working very hard to challenge that. extremely disgusting.
for the record, as a gay male, i have zero issue with having a sexual, romantic, or other relationship with a trans man. i'm a top and i'm into masculinity and submission of masculinity, not wiener - the rest is personality. but if a trans man somehow willingly hid their nature from me until after i fricked them, in some fricked up attempt to "gotcha" me like this, i would feel disgusted and used and would absolutely consider it a violation, of my trust and my body.
maybe you should stop viewing it as someone trying to trick another and instead as someone engaging in consensual sex with their body
theres no deception, a woman with a vegana is a woman with a vegana, if you dont like the vegana then stop consenting and stop having sex with them
feeling gross afterwards because she has a y chromosome and then trying to call that rape is insane
It's a penis turned inside out. Some people find that gross.
then retract your consent when youre grossed out
if you learn later and get grossed out that doesnt make it rape
According to Usa,Uk and Isreal laws yes it is.
are you unable to understand how some people would find sex with trannies gross? and if you DO understand, then that means that you're being deceptive by withholding what you know is potentially important information.
deceptive.
sorry anon i dont assume everyone is disgusted by trannies, so no they're not being deceived
Sorry anon.
now ask if theyd frick a post op troony
all those cissoids are imagining a dick girl
Nah the Redditors in the OP thread specifically are saying it's rape with this post-op trans not disclosing.
Transphobes hunt for posts like this so they can raid them and updoot all their own replies to the top
Haha no it was up for less than 30 minutes before being [removed] and you can sort the comments by "old" to see the instant responses
So.. They made it and shared the post to their little discord server or whatever so they could immediately fill the replies
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>Uh.. yeah dude.. in my opinion that is rape. You didn't have enough info to truly consent so that is just like rape. You were duped into having sex with her.. straight up.
They're really not.
I wouldn't date a post op transperson because I don't want to date someone dysphoric, mental illness sucks.
this isn't assuming everyone is disgusted by trannies, all you need to know is that a significant amount of people are and that's enough for somebody to argue that you are deceiving people to get sex from them. because you don't know if your prospective partner is disgusted by trannies.
let's not deviate from the subject. what's wrong with my logic here? are you gonna contest that transphobes are not a "significant" amount of the poplation or what? i wanna see you weasel your way out of this.
you're only proving my point. disclosing ended up in pointless transphobic threats, not violence. you're admitting that you're rolling the dice every time you have sex with one of those transphobes. one slip and those threats are no longer threats and the transphobe will go into a blind rage..
what's more dangerous? receiving a pol tier dm cause you diclosed or hoping that the transphobe that's currently penetrating you stays ignorant about the truth lest he kill you?
frankly i'm a pretty fricking accepting person.
in this context, i'm clearly already into you.
if you were to tell me, i'd be chill.
if i had suspected before we fricked and i asked, and you told me the truth, i'd be chill.
if i found out that you willfully evaded the topic until after we fricked in the hopes it'd just "blow over" or in some attempt to "gotcha" me or for any other reason, i'd feel abused and disrespected as a human. and yes, you ignoring the fact that i would have been assuming you're cis due to that being the prevailing circumstance in our society counts as willful evasion.
you can spin it any way you want, you're a shit person if you think it's ok to do this. abusing another person like this for your own sexual gratification is fricked, and you're fricked.
>or in some attempt to "gotcha" me or for any other
you keep assigning such malicious intent
because it's a fricking malicious act
Nope
absolutely.
doing something to someone that you know they won't approve of, and justifying it on some kind of technicality, is absolutely malicious.
and besides, your opinion of what counts as malicious towards someone is significantly less relevant than the target's opinion.
>oh sorry officer no i didn't do anything wrong. you have to let me go, ok? really i'm the victim.
>see i don't think it's wrong at all to beat women.
>it's not malicious. i've deemed it as such.
>i don't care if you, and society in general, and the woman disagrees.
>i'm right to hit this woman and, frankly, she consented to it by entering into a relationship with me in the first place.
>it's not my fault she didn't ask if i was a physical abuser first. i had no obligation to tell her i physically assault all my partners, either.
>she really should have just known.
Its disingenuous to make a comparison that involves actual harm
it's disingenuous of you to insinuate that most people in our society would not view the intentional avoidance of informed consent as abusive and ethically bankrupt under the most permissive interpretation, and just rape by other interpretations.
Bro what
Do I need to tell you how many wisdom teeth I got removed or else you'll cry rape too? Stop with the hysterics
nobody cares about your wisdom teeth, but millions of people care about you being trans to the point that they'd kill you over it.
Seems like the choice to stay stealth is the safest most prudent choice then
Hey if any guy says he hates trannies I'll just ghost him, np. Otherwise it's safe to assume he's into tranners when his dick is at full mast and he's pinning me to the bed so, cope+seethe
>Seems like the choice to stay stealth is the safest most prudent choice then
google gay panic and tell me if all of those dead trans women would agree with you had they not been murdered for their imprudence
>what's more dangerous? receiving a pol tier dm cause you diclosed or hoping that the transphobe that's currently penetrating you stays ignorant about the truth lest he kill you?
>Seems like the choice to stay stealth is the safest most prudent choice then
seems like terrible logic. when your hot extreme-homophobe extreme-transphobe masc man's wiener slips into your obvious-as-frick neovag and he connects the dots suddenly, he's going to punch you in the back of the head until your skull caves in.
meanwhile if you'd just been an honest adult who respects other people as humans and disclosed early, you risk just getting some nasty names thrown at you by the loser and on you move on to someone who also accepts and respects you as a human. saved time for everyone.
you're either suicidal or a rapist. no, wait, you're both.
Seems like if it's such a huge deal for you you should just bring it up to your potential dates as a deal breaker
yep, also if you're aware being trans is a deal breaker to a lot of people you should disclose. don't neglect your own responsibility.
Mmm nah, not my responsibility
Well, yeah? If it's such a huge problem for you why wouldn't you just bring it up to make sure it doesn't happen?
lol. you're such a disingenuous rapist of a homosexual. thanks for giving all of us a bad name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>us
>it is le RAPE if I enjoy having sex with you then find out later I don't like you!
the whole thread is full of arguments that spell out how being deceptive to get sex is rapey. wouldn't expect a rapist to be honest about this subject though ofc.
>deceptive
You keep using that word. I do not think that word means what you think that word means
>Deception can involve dissimulation, propaganda and sleight of hand as well as distraction, camouflage or concealment.
>concealment
2 sec google search. from wikipedia though so you can probably weasel out of this by saying source is invalid.
If you say that, essentially every sexual activity in the history of existence involved deception, so it's kind of a meaningless point. Thanks for clarifying
of course a literal rapist assumes everybody deceives to get sex
bump
job interview a:
>anxious person puts on a brave face and acts like a confident person to get the job
job interview b:
>manipulative liar pretends to be something he's not, lying about qualifications
you: omg these r literally the same!
don't even bother. they're unapologetic rapists. it's a point of pride for them. they will never admit that raping people is wrong or that what they do is wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. they'll always have some justification for how it doesn't count. all they care about is treating other people like objects to get their rocks off.
unironically #notalltrannies
i know, i meant "them" in the sense of "sociopathic, narcissistic predators" not "trannies"
some trans folks, i assume, have a moral core of some kind
I'm glad we're on the same page, you just aren't really making the connection between your point and mine
if you can't see any meaningful difference between interview a and interview b nor the equivalent sexual encounters, you are a highly damaged, narcissistic, and corrupt individual and your opinions on what things are right and wrong are completely irrelevant and outright dismissable. thank you for conceding that so clearly.
Oh, lol did you think the equivalent is scenario b? You're hopeless
>its their responsibility not mine
>why?? just cause omg just let me keep raping people lolllll
>bring up every possible thing you're not cool with even if it appears to otherwise have no bearing on the current circumstance
lol
this only makes sense if it was considered unusual to have a problem with someone misrepresenting themselves intentionally to get in your pants. but no, most people think that's wrong. you're the odd one out.
spin it however you want, rapist. you fricking disgust me. you KNOW it's going to be a big deal to most people you're targeting, and you choose to conceal it anyway and hide behind a veil of "w-w-well you didn't ask the magic question!!" because you're a selfish c**t who doesn't respect other people in the slightest and just wants to use them for your own sexual gratification with no regard for their opinion. aka rapist.
>Hey if any guy says bla bla bla
one again, a blunt declaration that you don't respect other people's preferences in the slightest, and that everything is about you, and you're more than happy to just be a vile fricking rapist.
good work, you're championing the "lgbt = rapists" stereotype very well.
stop arguing in such bad faith, holy shit.
just stop trying to pretend that straight cis males are not primarily seeking cis females. just stop trying to pretend that the world is full of straight cis males who will be 100% ok with fricking a trans female and not being told about it.
these things are simply not true, as much as it sucks, and as much as you want it to be true it does not make them true.
percentage of men who give a shit about the number of widsom teeth someone has had removed prior to having sex with them: less than 1% at worst
percentage of men who give a shit about the gender information of someone prior to having sex with them: over 95%
you are a rapist. that you defend this mindset so thoroughly is vile. you and those who think like you are doing a disservice to the LGBT community by strongly reinforcing the stereotype that we're all predatory rapists.
>cute boy invites me over for chili
>hell yeah I love chili!
>cute boy cooks vegan chili
>enjoy the chili
>later casually mentions it had no meat in it
>what the frick?? You veggie raped me you liberal homosexual!!
moronic. you inverted the scenario.
in your example, there is a concealed removal of something found desirable. removing something you know the other person would appreciate doesn't make the rest undesirable.
in mine and OP's example, there is the concealed introduction of something found undesirable. introducing something you know the other person would not accept if they knew makes the entire experience undesirable and immoral.
No, you're just mad the counterparty can't read your mind. You could literally prevent all this if you just say "hey btw if you're trans I'm not ok with this" in the same way you'd say that if you don't want vegan food
lol again with the autistic lack of understanding of socially acceptable behavior
being trans is the exception, not the norm. you're fully aware of the prevailing assumption that cis men will only want to frick cis women, but are choosing to ignore it in the hopes they won't think about it. YOU could avoid all of this by just saying "hey btw i'm trans is that ok?" but you won't because you're a selfish c**t who wants their dick even if you have to exploit a person's reasonable expectations to get it.
rejection sucks, yes. tricking people into not rejecting you doesn't mean you aren't getting rejected, though, it doesn't mean it won't happen anyway, it means they'll just reject you even moreso when you're found to have willfully lied to them by omission and willfully discarded their preferences.
then they're not just rejecting you because you're trans, they're rejecting you because you're a shitty person, a liar, and an abuser.
But if you want to frick me then you want to frick trans women too. There's no trickery, I'm not blindfolding you, wysiwyg, so if you're attracted to me then you're attracted to trans people. No problem.
If you're gonna sperg out about it still just say it, it's not my responsibility to manage your hangups.
>wysiwyg
yikes
It is. But raping transphobes is morally just so it cancels out most of the time.
It's not rape but it's really fricking shitty.
Right. Unless you're a complete self-righteous myopic c**t, show the same respect for cis people you expect them to show you. I'd beat this person's ass if I met them for making us all look like deviants.
Is this not the equivalent of a woman having a disappointing sexual experience because her partner had a really small penis? Should men have to disclose their penis size before sex to ensure their partner will be okay with it? I don't think a lot of them would like that.
reddit op is such an obvious larp lol. this person has no idea what neoveganas are actually like
>t. has one
at the point where he says it was "loose" it's already an obvious larp lol, we literally have to dilate.
He could just have a small dick
Might not be false, Could be that every neovegana is different due to it being a surgery with different methods. ex: how Jazz Jenning's result is probably different than yours
there’s some things about srs that are individual, but no neovegana is “too loose” and “no grip” lol. much more likely to have tightness and trouble getting in. the ejaculation is also ridiculous, even pre-op trans women in hrt don’t shoot like men but this person clearly thinks we do before and after surgery. the post is obviously a lurid fantasy of someone who knows nothing about trans women and our bodies.
Does seem sus but I did see a video of a transwoman ejaculating
and I mean post-op . they ejaculated like a male would
Bullshit, you're probably thinking of that one gif with the dude with no dick or whatever
At most the ejaculation is an oozing of clear fluid
search MTF SQUIRT on porn sites i don't want to on this computer
Search female squirt porn and you'll also come up with fake bullshit
I'm sad to say I read this as "female squid porn"
Not in trans subreddits. Just in regular subreddits with a cis majority.
Any assertion that it is rape is based around the false premise that transwomen are still men, which in turn makes the assertion completely false. If a straight man has sex with a woman, both consensually, how is that rape?
if you push them just a little bit on this front, the mask slips, "you can't force men to have gay sex!"
and ofc you see the ones saying "I wouldn't have minded, it's just because you LIED!" lol. yeah i'm sure you wouldn't have minded dude.
in the end we're just not desired because we don't validate men as men and we don't validate lesbians as lesbians.
>we don't validate men as men and we don't validate lesbians as lesbians.
Pure projection.
men are literally taught to view normative white cis women as prizes since almost the moment they're born, you think they can just unlearn that? this is why they don't bring us home to their families, their family wants to see a stacey. even cis women have problems with this in a ton of scenarios.
Straight up. That's what it all centers around. Lesbians are a good example too. Disheartening how many of them have the same sort of mindset as well. Really makes me doomer as frick.
Tbf, rape by deception is an actual crime in many European countries. So if you fail to disclose something like that, they other side can press charges if they wish to do so.
In some states in the US there's a thing called rape-by-fraud, so even if your state doesn't have it as a law, they can ref other states' laws if need be, so, realistically, it's possible to persecute a trans person who didn't disclose. But given the antics of American men, they prefer to just beat up or murder trannies and then rely on trans panic in conjunction with other laws/loopholes to reduce or avoid the sentence.
I guess the assumption is that he's fricking a cis woman which a trans woman is not. Both cis and trans women are women, but trans women still aren't biological/cis women. Things get even spicier if a troony didn't change her papers or something.
>I guess the assumption is that he's fricking a cis woman which a trans woman is not. Both cis and trans women are women, but trans women still aren't biological/cis women. Things get even spicier if a troony didn't change her papers or something.
It shouldn't matter. Our attraction and sexualities aren't based on chromosomes. When you meet an attractive person its their figure or face you're noticing. You can't see their genitals and definitely not their chromosomes. So why should anyone feel insecure in their sexuality if they have sex with someone they found sexually attractive? Why is it suddenly rape even though you were turned on and ready to go, thinking you were having sex with a woman (which you were)?
>It shouldn't matter
But that's the thing, it does matter to cis people.
And genitalia matter a lot when it comes to sex, they're basically the most important part during sex, they're THE tools we use for fricking after all. I actually don't like how many trans people try to downplay the importance of genitalia. It's pretty dishonest. Sure, bottom dysphoria is a b***h, so you might want your genitalia not to matter, but they do and a lot.
I mean I'm an androphilic troony, but if a guy I hooked up with turned out to be trans, I'd just apolgise and bail out because I'm not into that kinda stuff. I know because it happened to me. And a cis person wouldn't be as understanding if they're in my shoes.
Exactly! That’s why it’s also rape to trick a girl into thinking you’re richer than you really are. Finding a partner who can provide for your children is part of a woman’s fundamental biology, with millions of years behind it; it makes such a huge difference in mate selection that deceiving a woman like that invalidates whatever consent the poorgay may have weaseled out of her.
“with millions of years of evolution* behind it” I mean
I'll agree that genitals matter to some extent. But if they're post SRS then that point is moot. Not to mention that it doesn't make it rape if you don't like their genitals, and still decide to go through with it too. A woman can't say a dude with a small dick raped her because he couldn't meet her expectations.
>But if they're post SRS then that point is moot
Idk, maybe in the case of MtFs and depending on how good/convincing that neocooch is, but FtM SRS is, unfortunately, vastly more inferior. The guy had phallo with prosthetics, and it wasn't exactly convincing when he's on all fours with his ass up, it's actually pretty sad and uncanny. Just to make things clear, I'm a top, I need my bottom to have an actual dick otherwise it just doesn't look right to me, and my monke brain shorts. And a pussy, be it neo or bio, is just a big no-no.
That's fair. I guess my whole issue is that you weren't raped or deceived. You were just disappointed with what your potential partner had. That doesn't make them a bad person or a liar. But you're entirely entitled to see what someone has going on under their pants and decide you don't want to have sex. You can stop for whatever reason you want.
>Ok so Reddit thinks trans stealth sex is rape now
Always was rape. Always will be. Only question really is whether the tranner could be charged legally.
I'm 23/m. I met a woman on Tinder. older than me (34/f) but I was still attracted, we
agreed to meet at her place. it was dark and she had music going, we barely talked before starting
we did piv for a while but i struggled to come and had to be blown to completion. I would say i couldn't come due to Performance anxiety but that isn't exactly true. her vegana felt oddly loose like no 'suction', and unusually ‘stinky’ and wet. There was also an unusual smell which made me want to finish and get out quickly. The other TMI thing that happened, which is important to mention because it's what made me think the most, was that she'd orgasmed during the piv and squirted in an unusually thick/forceful way that i hadn't seen in porn.
when I returned to my place I thought about this encounter a lot and realized something may have been very off. after some prying over chat, she disclosed to me that she is black, but white-passing, and had a kid. I feel like if I had known this then I wouldn't have agreed to the encounter at all, and have regret to the point of having frustrating recurring thoughts and even dreams about what happened. I feel like I was deceived, but was i? do I need to just accept what happened?
lol someone post this to the midwit site. I won’t bc I’m permabanned and not going there has made my life better so I don’t want to get around it.
It is.
Lying about ur sex to get someone to sleep with you because you know they wouldnt otherwise is rape by deception yes.
so you agree that rightoid chuds who lie to women about their political beliefs just to get laid are also guilty of rape then?
Oh well, it's kind of bad that you don't tell your suitor some details about you, that can generate regret later, like if you go out with a person who has HIV, and they don't tell you, maybe they's hiding important details! But I don't think this is rape, lol.
This scenario is not the equivalent of giving someone a life-altering STD lmao.
lol it’s Cis; that tripgay’s gonna wind up in the news at 38 as one of those lesbians who tricks an underage teenage girl into sex by pretending to be a teenage boy, and she’ll probably spend the whole trial making a stink about how either all trans women are rapists or she’s not.
True, but I still stand by my point because this is very confusing and I want to appear reasonable to both sides!
Well, yes, it seems likely, but if it's over 14, well, it won't go anywhere, that's Bostil's age of consent, and troublesome or not, no one has been arrested for impregnating a girl that age, and much less a malicious cross-dresser who pretended to be a boy to have sex with a teenager.
And I would quote men who marry teenagers, not trans women, I have nothing against them lol.
LGBMAP pride! Drop the T!
Reasonable is recognizing that if you want to make sure 100% that you aren't having sex with a trans person then stop sleeping around with people you don't know and actually form a bond with the people you frick if you want to know their chromosome status.
But isn't there the common sense to talk first? I know it could be, I don't know, that you don't want to say you're transsexual, but the person you're going to be intimate with can't know? After all it is an intimate relationship and you are expected to be honest before having sex, talk about your preferences, what you like and don't, if you have experience and if you have any information that you feel is relevant to share! Or will everyone have to stalk everyone else's social media?
Even bisexual cis girls say they are bisexual to whom they are going to have sex, lol.
Jajajajajajja
I never denied it.
> seems likely
all lesbians are predatory
What if there was such a thing as a "Rape Spectrum".
>What if there was such a thing as a "Rape Spectrum".
Everyone is ignoring the post with the actual solution
Unironically depends on how good your SRS results are. If the neovag acts convincing enough then you're alright.
why aren't we working towards a society where humans are genetically engineered and grown in artificial wombs with sex and other forms of physical pleasure completely outlawed?
Because we're not all trauma-induced "asexuals" like yourself.
but sex is literally primitive behavior that has no actual benefits while also contributing to disease spread and social decay. not to mention the fact that human births are ridiculously damaging to women's bodies, etc.
there is literally no reason why we can't get rid of the concept of "sex" in the future
After reading the replies from trannies to this thread i can confidently say LGB drop the T.
Yes! And also it’s important to make sure that it’s WLGBMAP (white gay, lesbian, bisexual, and minor-attracted persons). It’s the next step in civil rights.
When i said drop the T i meant drop all T including nonbinary,MAP etc. all subcultures of the trans community
No MAP is part of LGB, we don’t want anything to do with the T or any of those gender freaks, but we are an orientation
Every single MAP has neopronouns and uses transsexuality as a reasoning why we should be able to transition ages MAPs are most definitely more under the T umbrella than the LGB one.
No, most MAPs are just normal men and women who happen to have an age sexual orientation
Troon hands wrote this.
Disgusting. It’s called NAMBLA not NATBLA; trannies have never been part of our (LGBMAP) community
OK so people who have neoveganas or have had sex with neoveganas, fill me in. What are the deets on the actual differences to a cis vag?
I am a trans woman so interested in any credible stories I read but not able to directly experience the man's part...
everyone seems to agree the taste smell etc. is fine except if she has an infection (unfortunately gynecological care is very much lacking for us). usually it's reported as being especially tight. lube might be required but a trip to the pharmacy shows lube is mostly used by cis people anyway. I make enough if he's willing to spend time on foreplay tbh. we don't ejaculate and I expect have more problems orgasming from penetration than cis women anyway. the hole has to be in line with the space between the bladder and rectum, but the clit has to be where the penis stuck out to begin with. it makes for a longer average slit length and a greater average distance between vegana and clit.
so you produce precum (same function you ejaculate from) but you don't ejaculate upon orgasm? I saw a video of a post-op MTF ejaculating with orgasm so I know it does happen with some
for me, the concept that you can produce natural lube via precum but somehow don't ejaculate is odd, why would that happen for some/most? just weakened tube strength or something?
yeah something like that. the prostate and cowper's glands are homologous to the skene's and bartholin's glands and now serve the same purpose though the plumbing is a bit different. I don't think the erection mechanism that holds it in works like that anymore due to a combination of being scalpeled away and hormones.
if it was the same video that I saw that was posted here a few weeks ago I don't believe it was a mtf...
yeah I've had a gram smear too... "normal veganal flora"
notice their conclusion was "their veganas are fricked" rather than "I wonder if we could treat them"
as I said gynecological care is very much lacking
so we'll just never have good veganas? so we'll have to get SRS and then never have sex? I guess that's okay..... I was kind of looking forward to it since cis women and afabs act like it's great, but....
what are you on about my vag is great? cis attitudes are shit but it is possible to find someone and it's great.
yeah but one of them was "destroyed" and all of them smelled bad in that study?
Just get someone who appriciates the weird smell like how many people are disgusted by the smell of cheese but also many people love cheese smell.
well rn it kinda smells musky but almost salty or like seafood? like a sea cucumber or smth? is that what they mean?
Apparently it smells closer to a subtle shit smell from what i read but that doesnt have to be the case for you sometimes trans veganas dont smell like anything just like the read thing so you should definitely try it and then you can get another penis made out of your thigh with silicon testicles if you dont like it.
yeah well... mine isn't like that
I suspect defeatist attitudes from doctors play a large role in trans women's veganal health. that is disheartening but not overcomable if you know what you're up against.
foul smell proof:
>A normal sized speculum (2.5 cm wide) could be used in 74% of women (37/50), whereas the smaller type (2.0 cm wide) had to be used in the remainder of women. Only in one patient insertion of a speculum was impossible due to almost complete obliteration of the vegana. Although this was not a study criterion and therefore not scored, a foul smell of the vegana was observed in most patients.
https://bmcmicrobiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2180-9-102
How is it not?
Deceitful but not rape
>cool face i wanna frick
>cool body i wanna frick
>cool hole i literally frick under no duress or impairment
>oh no. i was raped
Totally consensual the entire time, post fact regret doesn't qualify, make better decisions such as not having sex with complete strangers
If he was raped, then she was also raped. After all, I'm sure she wouldn't have had sex with him if she'd known he was the kind of absolute beta who would be so distraught by it. Maybe he shouldn't trick women into thinking he's not some whiny bigot.
It is. I think trans people should legally have to wear badges or something that identify them as trans so they stop doing this.
I don't think you're serious but I do actually think that SRS should require signing a contract stating you understand stealthing or attempted stealthing will lead to jail time minimum
Yeah, some kind of armband that clearly distinguishes them from the rest of society. We could even do something cute, like a pink shape of some sort
If i frick a guy who got hair transplants, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a bald guy
If i frick a guy who borrowed his boss’ maserati, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a brokie
If i frick a guy who lied about having a wife, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a married guy
If i frick a guy who lied about being good at video games, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a noob
If i frick a guy who has abs but he used to be fat, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a fat guy
If i frick a guy who didn’t tell me about his low credit score, is that rape? I wouldn’t frick a guy with low credit score
where do they want to draw the line?
is common sense that much a struggle with trans people? i mean is there an autism/trans connection maybe? these comparisons are nonsensical to 99% of society
> these comparisons are nonsensical to 99% of society
but they’re sensical to me, and that’s all that fricking matters. If I wouldn’t date by ANY MEANS the people i listed, are you saying that they have the right to rape me by omission?
frick*
autistic main character syndrome.
you are not the sole decider of what 'rape' means in society
Oh ok so it’s okay if I get raped by omission, right?
God, conservatives are such sick people
good luck convincing society you were raped because nondisclosure of hair transplants, which is your terrible argument that you think is clever.
who the frick cares if society thinks that it should matter?
IT MATTERS TO ME, and that’s all that matters. Wow, everyone, look at the conservatives justifying rape.
Disgusting
sure and if you rape a child it's ok because to YOUR brain it wasn't rape, right? well, cry about it in prison
Are you moronic? Like actually braindamaged?
Having sex with a minor is in NO WAY comparable you fricking degenerate.
Sheesh, conservatives showing their true colors: fricking a transperson is the same thing as fricking a child
YIKES
My point that you're pretending not to get is that your maincharacter-syndrome about what rape is and isn't doesn't define how society defines it regardless of how infuriating or depressing it may be. So disclose.
So the only reason something is or isn’t rape is determined by how icky society sees it as? How childish. You disgust me
based pedophilia enjoyers
Consensual sex is in no way comparable to non-consensual sex with a minor. Are you actually moronic?
"consent" is defined based on social consensus you fricking moron
Both of these (trans sex without disclosure) , (adult with minor) are rape because of the un-ignoreable background of reality/science despite any, say, MAP push of "oh children are just as smart as adults" or LGBT push of "oh but transwomen are just like real women".
insane
God conservatives make me so fricking sick.
defining rape by societal consensus is pretty fricked up, it wasn't so longer ago that marital rape wasn't considered rape
Yep, though I would say aversion nondisclosure of a sex change is more based on science/reality and is thus more likely to stick than something of social politics. Unless in the future they literally have chromosome-warping procedures
>I would say aversion nondisclosure of a sex change is more based on science/reality
then you'd be wrong, your sexual preference isn't 'science'
if you have a dealbreaker, then be upfront about it before having sex
unfortunately it's scientific fact that MTFs aren't females, FTMs aren't males, neoveganas aren't veganas, and neopenises aren't penises. Do you really disagree?
Sophie if I kissed you on the head (non consensually) what would you do
t. ConservaChud 3000
>IT MATTERS TO ME, and that’s all that matters
why? why does this matter?
because this is me getting MY consent swindled with? are you insane???
yeah but why do you matter? also im a different outraged anon. You're positing a position where you're the only human being who matters and whose consent matters hence the conflict here. Therefore the question of why do you specifically matter is legitimate.
With literally everything dating it's up to you to communicate your red flags to a potential partner. It's up to you to parse whether a person is the kind you're attracted to, it's up to you to make sure they're old enough, it's up to you to ask whether they have any diseases you should know about, it's up to you to figure out whether they have any dealbreakers for you. It's completely childish to expect a complete stranger to do that work for you, then accuse them of rape when they don't. That's not how any of this works at all.
>y-you wouldn't even tell the truth anyways!!!
You just can't win with these people.
isn't nondisclosure of STDs already considered rape? or is it only AIDS
STDs are different, because that puts you at risk of consequences beyond that initial contact.
If someone asks if you're trans and you lie? Yeah I'd say that's rape by deception. But if they never even ask? Nah dude I really don't care.
Also I don't want to have sex with someone who doesn't consider me a real woman. So, should everyone I date have to openly declare their beliefs on trans women before they have sex with me, else it's rape?
>Also I don't want to have sex with someone who doesn't consider me a real woman.
Do you even consider yourself a real woman?
Good luck.
lmao like I said you don't need to push far at all
attention ladies, cisoids are incapable of seeing you as a real woman even if you've known it deeply and as real as something can be real, since you were 12 or whatever. you will never be the girl they take home, the girl they write songs about, the girl they're proud to show their family, the girl they imagine marrying in the future. you are not that girl for any of these people. they're right, we should avoid having sex with them, but not for the reasons they say lol.
What about chasers who think transgender bodies are the bee's knees?
yes I recognize that, where cis people are concerned, trans-amorous folks are the only ones who will date us. and I don't think it's a choice, it's a sexuality or kink or w/e.
but my opinion depends on how much internalized transphobia they've allowed to pathologize their attraction to us in their own heads, thinking we are "less than real women" on some level, characterizing the relationship as gay or necessarily bi, or thinking we're "better than foids" for w/e reason. I just want to be your girl. a princess, a lady. none of this weird shit please. don't make it weird dude.
but I know my prince charming will never come. I'm dating a beautiful adorkable trans girl rn anyway. things will work out. but the fact that I couldn't have a normal life because of transphobia will always be true. don't pretend this is normal or the "just the way of the world".
lmao
a chaser has been redefined in recent time to not just mean someone transphilic, but to also cover the neutral folks in the middle who are genuinely just ok either way.
trannies don't want to date someone who "likes them for them" or who learns they were trans and goes "oh, that's cool with me!". that means the person will tolerate deviancy from gender norms and that does nothing to directly affirm their new gender identity.
and they certainly don't want to date someone who actually strives for dating/fricking trans people. that means the person celebrates deviancy from gender norms and that DEFINITELY does nothing to affirm their new gender identity.
no, they have such a deep-seated desperate need to be assured by others that they're now real girls or real boys that they will only tolerate being with people who are actively transphobic. they want the reveal. they want a man who is disgusted by men to find out and decide that, well, they're a girl now so it doesn't matter in the end. that validates their transition, it proves that they made the right choices and it proves that they're indistinguishable from the real deal.
this doesn't work, of course.
people notice, and men who are revulsed by men will never think about an ex-man the same way, ever. it sucks but it's true.
as usual, it's a trans person using the people around them as pawns in some emotional validation game.
Yeah dude obviously
Thank you, though I don't need luck. I already trapped me a good bf/ soon to be husband <3
bruh if you want to frick me, then you don't just want to frick cis women. Reeeally hate to break it to ya
I've never stealth sexed, but I have stealth dated. It was 10000% safer than early disclosure.
Just take some fricking responsibility for your own preferences. Christ...
He's going to notice your dilators and lack of menstruation and figure out you're not female. Hopefully you told him your trans status?
>It was 10000% safer than early disclosure.
says who? WHAT are you even basing this on? you're making up excuses because you just dont want to tell people you're trans, period. and it has nothing to do with safety, it's just you being selfish and abusing people's trust.
When I was upfront, I would get all manner of rapey pigs talking about how they'd beat me me if I didn't put out, "they'd never hit a real woman, but...", how they'd still be able to overpower me, talking about how they'd get away with it because "no one cares if a troony gets raped." Then I switched to stealth, and like magic, all that shit went away and I was treated like a human being. Yeah, million times safer in my experience.
That's not what rape is. Stop insulting actual rape victims by minimizing it down to petty shit like this.
Why were you hanging out with rapey people? It sounds like you're hooking up with people at sleazy bars.
Look at
victim-blaming already???
>bruh if you want to frick me, then you don't just want to frick cis women. Reeeally hate to break it to ya
willingly-exploitative rapist mindset.
i would most likely be down to frick you just fine if not for the fact that you're a vile festering pit of a human being with no ethical core.
>I've never stealth sexed, but I have stealth dated. It was 10000% safer than early disclosure.
Safer to not tell someone you're dating that you're trans? What is the logic there?
if you tell someone you're trans they will backtrace your ip and the consequences will never be the same
if you pair bond first he'll be less likely to immediately break up with you without proper consideration.
also tell over the phone to reduce chance of hatecrime.
>if you pair bond first he'll be less likely to immediately break up with you without proper consideration.
so be deceptive until the person is too emotionally attached to you to break up with you by the time you're honest with them?
nope, no red flags here. everybody should just accept trannies btw lolol
well its certainly not rape. and ideally you tell them at the point where they will seriously think about it. like around the 3rd date.
>well its certainly not rape
arguable. you seem to admit that this behavior is deceptive and we both know that the trannies who behave like this do it with the express purpose of getting relationships and sex. deception with the intent of getting sex. what does that sound like?
>and ideally you tell them at the point where they will seriously think about it. like around the 3rd date.
ideally you wouldn't play manipulative games like this with other people but oh well
it sounds like a regular relationship to me, where you put your best foot forward on for the first date, then tell the important stuff later on.
ideally, no one would be transphobic or care about a post-op troony being trans
fair enough, a certain amount of deception is normal in relationships. when it comes to transgender stuff however that is super important information to a lot of people, it's not like pretending you like the arctic monkeys to have more in common with your partner though.
gay panic is a thing, is that enough to understand how vital this information is to some people? this is not a tiny little lie, some people will literally kill you if you're trans.
i really honestly think most straight man will simply just break up and not harbor a hard feeling or feel violated by going on a couple dates with a troony. at least where I live (california).
sure, and a rapist could say that the women he lied to in order to have sex with them are proobably gonna be ok and not gonna end up traumatized. maybe he's right, who knows? i'd rather tread on the safe side.
you should definitely do what makes you comfortable. this is mostly a thought exercise for me as I'm celebrating my 1 year anniversary (t4t) today.
Would it be ok in your opinion for someone to lie about being a millionaire to get in someone's pants and then admit it was a lie several dates later? Legally that's rape.
i meant no sex for the first 3 dates. i'm not a prostitute.
And if he reveals he has a neopenis then what?
then we fugggg 😀
you dont get it anon
trannies are inherently deceptive and everything they do is deception
a girl with a vegana cant just have sex without disclosing her medical history or else shes deceiving them because shes not actually a girl with a vegana
Telling people your trans status before having sex with them is a good way of getting rid of people who don't consider transwomen to be real women
it's also a good way of attracting the people who want to fricking kill us
if you really think disclosing is more dangerous than fricking having stealth sex with a transphobe you're a damn idiot.
oh that's right you want to frick people who want to kill you, and that's why you don't disclose
I mean yeah, some of you legit think you are "actual women" and already answer that way when inquired. But YOU at least agree those people would be rapists, correct?
anyone here thats triggered by stealth sex and worries about the 'rape' of a man is malebrained
>t. hsts who plans to deep stealth and stealth sex without remorse
Damn, reddit being right about something. The world is going to end.
kek
Wtf reddit is based and NSFFW is cringe now?
This is kind alike that time when democrats and republicans switched araund.
I guess im moving to reddit now.
>the troony sub reddit is coping about their ball-ginas guys!!! Good thing I'm a based redditor
>Trans women are women its not rape to lie about your sex
>negative 11 score
>A reply telling him that "male to female women will never be female to female women"
>+2 points
yup theyre coping about their ball ginas!
You have very poor reading compression don't you anon.
>nazi sleeps with a israelite
>only finds out afterwards that she's a israelite
>mfw he got raped
and yet the israeli community will defend this
do intersex people need to disclose that their chromosomes dont match their genitals
is it rape if they dont
or are they not as icky and deceptive as trannies so it doesnt matter
If you need to lie about something to get someone to have sex with it is indeed rape its called rape by deception.
This woman for example raped a straight woman by pretending to be a man online and demanding she wears a blindfold while having sex and she went to prison for 8 years in 2015
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-34799692
Rape by deception is illegal in Uk,Usa and Isreal so if anyone finds out youre actually a man afterwards they can tell the police and send you to jail in these countries.
>If you need to lie about something to get someone to have sex with it is indeed rape its called rape by deception.
what's the lie? OP redditor never asked if she's trans
the 14y/o never asked if the man was 25
very worrying how you view those as the same thing
stay away from children
oh? but your point is that if they couldn't tell in the moment, then it was all fair play?
children are unable to consent
you should stop arguing they can
these are not similar situations at all
you can't consent to something if you're not properly informed about it
in which case a person can't legitimately consent to fricking a non-disclosing troony
so yes in both cases there's a lack of consent and therefore it's rape
and to add for the room temp IQs in the room, children can't consent because their brains aren't fully developed yet and don't fully understand the consequences of their actions
it's literally the same shit here
> you can't consent to something if you're not properly informed about it
I could argue that you now think that nobody has consented to sex ever
Who are you to decide that the trans info is a MUST? If it’s such a big deal, shouldn’t they just fricking ask? If she then says no, then yes, that’s rape.
Who are you to decide that the trans info is a NOT MUST?
answer my question first gay
I didn’t realize we know the entirety of people’s mental states prior to sex.
If it’s such a big deal to everyone else, shouldn’t they just fricking tell?
If they refuse to tell despite knowing it matters to almost everyone, then yeah that's rape.
That's not how communication works. If it is that important to you that who you are dating isn't trans, then you need to make that clear. It's not some stranger's job to parse every preference you may or may not have for you. Have some responsibility for your own preferences, for frick's sake.
Imagine having trouble getting laid on Tinder and then finally scoring a chick but then LGBT buttholes wanting YOU to risk your chances by having to insult them by asking, "Btw, are you trans?" which they will certainly read as "Btw, you look like a man"
Post-op'ers are < 0.01% of the population; you don't get to dictate how hetero interactions go
>Imagine having trouble getting laid on Tinder
bruh I think you said it all right here LMAO
back to grindr for you
Here's the thing: if you honestly thought it were rape, then it would be obvious common sense that you would ask. You'd ask every single person you ever thought of fricking, so that you never have to risk it. Maybe you'd miss out on the occasional tinderella who takes the question weird, sure, but that's just the cost of doing business.
But it's pretty obviously not rape in the slightest, so you don't.
Nope. Even MTFs hate being clocked. Also it sounds like you wouldn't even answer honestly to "Btw are you trans?" since you'd go as far as to want to stealth sex them anyway.
It was actually a common incel tactic to make fake Chad profiles on dating sites and to ask the women if they were trans. Every single one posted got offended at being asked.
>some incels trolling is definitely reliable data
opinion completely disregarded
Oh and also, there was an actual attempt to popularize a label for unwilling-to-frick-trans.
It was called "SuperStraight", and it was canceled.
you consent to frick the troony
feeling gross about it later doesn't retract consent
if the neo vegana grosses you out then stop sex and retract consent
you can't retract afterwards
rightoid pedo projection
went to jail in the UK lol. and yes we might get done dirty like this too. so? it's the law, not an omniscient judge of actual morality. remember when CeCe McDonald went to jail for stabbing and inadvertently killing her would-be attacker/rapist/killer? no white cis woman would go to jail for that. and it's literally been a trope since early 2000s SVU that we get done dirty. so what? it just means avoid transphobic guys as partners, generally.
but they arent lying anon
A man saying that hes a woman is a lie just like how a woman saying shes a man is a lie too.
Just go for other fellow gay guys in drag like this guy
instead of trying to deceive and gaslight people into doing something they dont want to do if they werent being lied to.
it is a hate crime for cis men to not want to date and frick trans females in the same way it is a hate crime for attractive straight men to not be willing to date and frick gay bottoms.
if you have to trick someone into fricking you, they didn't frick you, they fricked an imaginary version of you that you needed to construct to get their dick. if you can't see that this is immoral as hell, then you're a lost cause.
fake clout chaser
Hiding things from people or "deceiving them" isn't rape though. People have been deceiving others for sex for centuries. Whether its men lying about what kind of job they have or women having plastic surgery or people lying about their sexual pasts, deceit is part of the game. People are only upset because a form of "deceit" they don't like is in play now.
>Hiding things from people or "deceiving them" isn't rape though.
it is because it changes the accepted terms of consent. Consent should be understood as "i consent based on these understood set of circumstances or conditions." Changing those circumstances requires a reevaluation of the consent. This is why this kind of deception is being considered rape and why removing a condom mid-sex is considered rape.
>People are only upset because a form of "deceit" they don't like is in play now.
This. Women are all about deceiving men to get what they want and men literally brag about lying to women to get sex.
reddit thinks like that
is it an accurate depiction of srs vegana?
kinda beginning to understand why terfs consider transwomen rapists. not only do you struggle with the very concept of consent, but many of you seem to full on refuse allow others to make informed choices regarding their bodies. The mental gymnastics you use to justify this behavior and thought processing is really quite disgusting.
>other people won't tell me everything about them that I might not be attracted to? Raaape!
back to mumsnet bud
It's her business to disclose whether she is pre or post op. Anyone saying it's deception, rape or both is clinically moronic and needs to be dumped on the surface of the moon.
i simply find it hilarious that trannies have such low self esteem that they go out of their way to hide their identity just so they can frick people who would actually be disgusted by them if they knew the truth
or a girl with a vegana wants to have a sex life as a girl with a vegana but apparently her chromosomes are the determining factor
A vegana doesnt close itself if you forget to dilate it.
rape is sex without informed consent. you should disclose information that you could reasonably assume your partner may care about.
Since most people are transphobic, it is reasonable to assume your partner may want to know you are trans.
I assume most people are good people and wouldn't treat me as anything other than the woman I am so, sounds good to me
well, your assumption is very stupid. most people are transphobic (
).
if a bi guy doesnt disclose hes bi before sex is that rape? most women dont want to frick homosexuals
is there an enourmoes anti bi movement in which people don't consider them human and worthy of respect?
the answer is no, before you get smarmy. have some nuance.
Ciswomen looking for a one night stand probably wouldn't care, they expect their partners to be promiscuous. In a relationship yes, people should disclose their dating history.
i'm post op
i've had sex with men.
meet them on grindr. was very clear about the situation.
would frick again.
much better to be honest about it so you can enjoy yourself. i got to try way more positions and things. it's awesome. not every guy is going to be ok with it. some guys have noted my pheremones were off and it's not like banging a cis girl. regardless, they can tell the difference. penis's are sensitive. i will say a ribbed condom makes all the difference.
stealth sex denies them the right to fully consent. if they don't understand what they're getting into they can feel betrayed and have a right to be upset. it's a medical condition. if you had aids, you should probably tell people before you have sex with them. they have a right to know.
That scenario is 100% rape.
The trans woman should press charges.
You absolutely must disclose your transphobia to someone you intend to have sex with. Not doing so is rape by deception.
Don't people realize that there are a quite a lot of people whose careers and lives would be effectively over if it ever came to light that they had intercourse with a transperson? I'm not saying that they wouldn't deserve being exposed but if it's about your safety you should realize turning yourself into walking blackmail material and thus a target for people who work in conservative circles if you go stealth and in some way they learn about your transgender status.