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cisters… not like this…

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody cares about Cloudflare engineers' sexual orientation.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Yet another reverse proxy
    That's the fourteenth this week.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This explains their response to the Keffals Krusade.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      GO BACK TO KIWIFARMS. YOU AREN'T WELCOME HERE.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        there's no kiwifarms, that makes me welcome here.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >GO BACK TO KIWIFARMS. YOU AREN'T WELCOME HERE.
        no

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i can smell the rotting axewound from here

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >In production, Pingora consumes about 70% less CPU and 67% less memory compared to our old service with the same traffic load.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cniles BTFO

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Retards write retarded soiware
      >This is based C's problem
      Most programmers are retarded, they can't even do "Hello, world" in C. This is to be expected.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        #include <stdio.h>
        int main() {printf(
        "Hello worldn")
        ;return 0;}

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >printf
          as I said, retard

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Shit works, though.

            [...]

            Oops, no more ExPeRt PrOgRaMmErS anymore. ;_;

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What screenshot utility is that?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                DO NOT read the filename

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >rust trannies are halfway competent
        There's no way to spin this kek

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If one craftsman can't use a tool, he's a shitty craftsman. If almost nobody can use a tool, it's a shitty tool.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >nginx is retard software
        >linux is retard software
        has it never occurred to you thataybe the tool is shit?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao lets see you write a better nginx. Protip you can't

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nginx is developed practically closed source

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's it, I give up; I'm learning rust
      *cuts individual toes into socks*

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >purpose made software performs better than a generic webserver
      who would've thonkt
      the real reason they used rust is because all new devs are learning it and not c these days

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are all new devs learning it?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          to be honest i'm not really sure. i work with one such guy currently. he's technically a c++ guy but says he wants to learn rust because of safety features and less feature creep. i assume a lot of people are in the same boat.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Seems tricky to distinguish "they are using it because people are learning it because it's good" from "they are using it because it's good"

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it's really not. imagine you're a fresh graduate and don't want to be webshitter. you look at the languages available to you and realize that c and c++ are old and in case of c++ there is a lot of bloat (or features depending on who you ask) so you do some searching and find that a lot of people are enthusiastic about rust, and a lot of projects are being written in it. regardless of whether it's a good upgrade or not you would obviously pick rust to avoid headache that is c/c++ (even if it really isn't and you just think that it is).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you have specific reasons to think they're wrong?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i don't know rust well enough to have an opinion on it. all i know that c/c++gets the job done. rust might be more efficient but i doubt that it offers significant enough of an upgrade to warrant everyone to switch to it. also, there is no standard so if you want to be a corporate drone you should probably learn something else.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >rust might be more efficient but i doubt that it offers significant enough of an upgrade to warrant everyone to switch to it.
                it does. no matter how many tools you try to use like static analysis and linters, you'll never come close to what other languages like it can offer out of the box

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Everybody shouldn't just drop what they're doing and switch to it, but it really is a big upgrade. When you're writing software from scratch anyway (like here) it's very often a good choice, unless library support and the like prevents it.
                >there is no standard
                This is not a dealbreaker. There are multiple languages in the TIOBE top 10 without a standard.
                Surely some corporations care about it but many don't.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >there is no standard so if you want to be a corporate drone you should probably learn something else
                There are very few areas where a language being rigorously standardized is actually useful. If your company is developing software that needs to run on a shit load of different embedded systems, then it makes sense. Otherwise, you're almost certainly going to be tying yourself to a specific implementation, so you don't care, or you're writing desktop software, where the standards are virtually useless because GCC and Clang don't follow them closely.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i'm not a new grad. i'm currently writing C and Rust at work, and previously did C++ and Java, all at FAANG. i'm learning Rust despite its insufferable community because it's strictly better than keeping up with the C++ churn. additionally, there are just too many cool projects being written in it and the corpos decided that it's the future.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >despite its insufferable community
                they only people i see who say this are on LULZ and LULZ is a shit community full of larpers

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                naw man, every other Rust blog is written by some permanently-online Twitterati, or a furry, or both. did you see an e-girl presenting as an anime avatar at Rustconf? probably the best Rust blog i follow is fasterthanlime and i have to grit my teeth to get through his cringe le reddit-tier humor. at least the information is good.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i don't spend time on twitter so i don't follow any of their social bullshit, and don't watch rustconf talks unless it's something i'm interested in, i ignore that guy in the video. the community is great for anything i do that involves writing code or asking/answering questions. the people you're complaining about are more exceptions than the norm and they exist in everything for programming now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I just don't care about these people. Life is too short, anon. I care about the tech. If these people are good, then I'll listen. If they're stupid, then I won't. Simple as.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >https://thephd.dev/
                Behold, the WG14 project editor, A.K.A. ISO C. He is both terminally on twitter and a furry.

                i don't know rust well enough to have an opinion on it. all i know that c/c++gets the job done. rust might be more efficient but i doubt that it offers significant enough of an upgrade to warrant everyone to switch to it. also, there is no standard so if you want to be a corporate drone you should probably learn something else.

                >there is no standard so if you want to be a corporate drone you should probably learn something else.
                Standards for languages like C and C++ are written in English prose without so much as a compiler validation test suite, something Java has despite it having no formal standard. Likewise, the languages use by proof assistants (e.g. Coq, Isabelle/HOL, Lean, etc) also lack any standardization whatsoever, yet they are more rigorously defined than C(++) could ever hope to be.
                The fact is that an official standards body like ISO or ECMA is of little value if not actively harmful! The Itanium ABI spec didn't need ISO neither does DWARF, Unicode, OpenMP/OpenACC, OpenCL/SYCL, OpenGL/Vulkan, GLSL/HLSL, CUDA/HIP/ROCm, etc. Organizations like ISO are an absolute joke!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Standards have one important use: reducing fragmentation.
                POSIX for example is awful but not having it would be way worse. If I follow it in all its misery I'll probably be portable, with only niche exceptions like pax and the more demented parts of sh.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Standards have one important use: reducing fragmentation.
                I'm not ranting against standards in principle. Rather, I'm saying that formal standardization bodies like ISO and ECMA add little value and huge overhead. The quality and usefulness of the standard depends on those writing it. Standards like UEFI or OpenMP wouldn't be better off with an ISO standard or equivalent, their informal community driven approaches are fine.
                >POSIX for example is awful but not having it would be way worse.
                Isn't that the world we are living in? If I want to draw anything to a screen or do anything highly asynchronous, POSIX does not help me. If I want portability across modern mainstream platforms, POSIX does not help me. Etc

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Standards have one important use: reducing fragmentation.
                and yet we have the situation of clang, gcc, and msvc

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you want compiler monoculture shitbrains

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i don't see a benefit. most of the progress comes from company sponsored developers, and they choose to not implement aspects of the standard. what does that get me?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                show me all the codecases that are strictly iso c or c++ without any compiler extensions and that are cross-platform windows, mac, and linux

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, people seem to be fed up with c++.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >drop 70% of traffic
      >use less cpu and memory
      I know 4chin users can't read but that's just funny

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The tranny that wrote this must have made delisting kiwifarms a condition to let cloudflare had it

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nginx isn't perfectly optimized for cloudflares very specific use case.
    Isn't designed for CDN level
    They used lua and C for their extensions because they got filtered making their instance of nginx slower and have to deal with the burden of context switching
    >Rust fanatics
    >cniles BTFO hur dur

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cloudflare has chosen the wrong technology for their use case so often the only explanation is they do it on purpose so they can have a big press release about how they're doubling performance with whatever new technology they've chosen.

      It's gonna be the same with Workers in a couple of years, they're slower than almost all of their competitors who mostly built custom solutions instead of repurposing V8.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They have to make that stock go up somehow what better way than sandbagging yourself and then tactically removing self imposed limitations. They don't have to do work and get the illusion of progress.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      as opposed to their previous in-house solution that doesn't exist
      ok

      this is the correct take on this
      rust fanatics are so easily excited, jeez

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean. Nginx is a web server plus proxy. If they want an L7 HTTP proxy, unlike Haproxy, which is an L4 proxy, they are free to write one to cut off parts that aren't required for HTTP proxying, caching and TLS termination.
    Moreover, Igor Sysoev has got the cash already by selling Nginx to some network providers while it was at its peak. All is good.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >70% less CPU
    >67% less memory

    There is no fucking way in hell they managed to get this much improvement due to the language change.

    It's obviously due to removing a ton of unnecessary features that, for a company processing that many requests, would make tremendous difference.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they are even lying like glownaggers now

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not that. But you're right that it's because of architectural changes.
      On a fundamental level Rust and C are basically equivalent, there are actually translators in both directions. But Rust lets you attempt more daring optimizations because it can check your work for you. Their new version has more sophisticated parallelism, nginx only puts simple data behind a mutex. That lets them reuse far more connections.
      Other big gains come from dropping Lua, which they probably used in the first place because it's less error-prone than C.
      It's funny, in complex systems safety features can indirectly increase performance because you can let your guard down.
      For some reason nobody linked the blog post: https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-we-built-pingora-the-proxy-that-connects-cloudflare-to-the-internet/

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They made NGINX sound like a piece of shit when it's arguably the best free web server out there. Ungrateful homosexuals.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it can be both (and it is)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they are running it with Bluefield DPUs, it's very possible actually

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Bluefield DPU
        What are these for? I tried Googling but just got pages of bullshit buzzwords.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.servethehome.com/what-is-a-dpu-a-data-processing-unit-quick-primer/

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    and in a few short years, cloudflare becomes unimaginably shit and slow yet again
    the retard cycle continues

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And is it open source? No?
    Sounds like the schizos saying Rust/LLVM is a trojan horse for proprietary software were right.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >We will also be back with our plan to open source it.
      they plan on it. they open source a lot anyway
      https://github.com/cloudflare

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For me? It's Caddy

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    as opposed to their previous in-house solution that doesn't exist
    ok

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No one in this thread gets it.
    Unless they release this shit as open source, no one can verify their claims.

    Cloudflare has some interest in pretending they are doing cutting-edge, innovative research to misdirect from the fact they are effectively a federal government-funded Internet scale MiTM attack, that is also operating their anti-DDoS service as a protection racket.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and when it's open sourced then what will the goalposts be?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It won't be. The CEO is a serial liar and he will make up some story that, "they can't open source it because the bad guys will use it, bla bla bla"

        Screencap this

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They open source a ton of shit, including Rust shit, and their claims really aren't outlandish if you actually read them. (Much of their nginx solution was written in Lua with expensive FFI! Of course this is more efficient!)
          I think you're grasping for straws. You already have very good reasons for hating Cloudflare, just stick to those instead of hypothesizing elaborate hoaxes that wouldn't even interest that many people.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Much of their nginx solution was written in Lua with expensive FFI
            so it was opening a subprocess for each function call to a program written in a interpreted/JIT language. holy crony retardation wtf
            the absolute power of QE money flushed down the drain kek

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >so it was opening a subprocess
              No, that's IPC, not FFI. Lua is made for embedding, and embedding it in nginx is very standard.
              The article talks about the overhead from copying strings in and out, that's the sort of thing you should be thinking of.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                although the VM would still be running alongside it, you're right. the memory thrashing must be insane at botnet size

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                also Lua is faster (the fastest?) than other scripting languages but this is pushing it https://github.com/openresty/lua-nginx-module#synopsis
                not only in raw perf but the constant mishmash between dialects

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    unrelated to cloudflare controversy but how do you anons prevent your sites from being hit by ddos attacks? i've just been proxying traffic through aws but i do not believe this is even close to the ideal solution.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how many days until cloudflare 41%s itself?

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who would have thought that a specialized program is faster at its workload than a more general program

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Since Pingora's inception we’ve served a few hundred trillion requests and have yet to crash due to our service code.
    >In fact, Pingora crashes are so rare we usually find unrelated issues when we do encounter one. Recently we discovered a kernel bug soon after our service started crashing. We've also discovered hardware issues on a few machines, in the past ruling out rare memory bugs caused by our software even after significant debugging was nearly impossible.
    wew

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cue their support being flooded by millions of indians trying to get it to work for their shitty blog that gets like 2 views a month max.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >PINGOra
    Jajajajajajaja hermanos

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > NGINX is a very good web server, load balancer or a simple gateway. But Cloudflare does way more than that.
    This doesn't really have anything to do with NGINX, NGINX isn't bad. It's more that Cloudflare has a use case that NGINX wasn't designed for, and as a result they are writing their own software.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    not gonna stop using nginx just because of rustie agitprop

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its not like you can use their implementation, its proprietary, fuck off.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cniles on suicide watch

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >memory safety
    I don't see how that will be faster than ngin...
    >c like performance
    Oh, so they turned safety off AND have fewer libs available because of their language choice
    Burning glow money so it's good thing I guess

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > they turned safety off
      Source?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Simple deduction
        >fast
        >safe
        Pick one
        Rust can't do both at the same time
        A well known fact

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A common misconception. You won't need a lot of that in a HTTP server, if any.
          t. has read hyper source code

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >A well known fact
          Interesting, I have yet to hear it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >fell for the C++ committee israeli tricks

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          actix-web needed almost no unsafe to be fast, the dev was only using it everywhere because he was a sepples boomer

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >replace nginx with pidora
    what did they mean by that

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