Yeah thats pretty accurate. If you mean raw popularity it's the Beatles if you mean longterm artistic legacy probably The VU. The Beatles were ofc bigger at the time but a lot of bands that emulate other 60s Rocj Bands don't really try to sound like The Beatles. You wouldn't know The Moody Blues were Sgt.Pepper inspired or whatever from listening to Tool or Christian Vanders Magma or CAN or whatever the fuck really.
You make it seem like having a load of copycat wankers plagiarising your style is a good thing. I don't think the Beatles would give a shit if they influenced other musicians.
Hard to say. TVU seems like the obvious choice but I've understood that the Beatles really did change people's conceptions of what a pop group could do and opened the doors for people to experiment more because the labels would be more accepting of new stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong on that
before the Beatles, bands were perceived as the frontman + the backing band. (Elvis, Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, etc) They basically invented the concept of the band as we know it today - a band is you and the boys and you're all a significant piece of the pie
they definitely were, yeah. still not entirely sold on this particular aspect though, i think the rise of the rock band concept probably had more to do with cheaper instrument manufacture.
velvet underground and it's not even close
popular =/= influential
Probably yeah. Popularity does buy short time influence though just not a given that that caries into today whereas it's pretty obvious that they weren't going to just be putting German Folk Singers next to that sort of mostly Yiddish style modernist chord progressions on rock albums without at least some resemblance of The VU existing. The Beatles having very generic anglosphere folk elements it seems like Cream or Yardbirds or whatever could have easily done the same or at leas tsimilar without them although ofc Cream and The Beatles are different bands. (See also:Pink Floyd)
Even the velvet themselves stated how inspiring and mindblowing rubber soul was at the time, only terminal contrarians seem to underplay the beatles influence these days
Beatles influenced more bands, TVU influenced better bands
obviously TVU was influenced by The Beatles themselves. almost all bands that were influenced by TVU were also at least indirectly influenced by The Beatles.
>can someone actually explain how the beatles were?
In case you are actually serious go listen to pop music pre-Beatles, especially from Britain. They perfectly represent the gap between the 50s and 60s in popular music, forever changing the course of British music like no other act.
I understand how dylan and the randy warhols were influential
can someone actually explain how the beatles were?
I honestly fucking hate The Beatles but this is really a question that would be best answered by like,go fucking listen to them and then contextualize around that based on release dates and what music came before and afterwards.
TVU is probably better but saying Beatles were less influential means you have absolutely no grasp of music history
Beatles reached so many more people it's impossible for them to be less influential. almost every rock band in history owes some debt to the beatles. its not really a fair question, you should ask which band was more innovative instead
also, beatles were much much much more influential outside of anglo countries
Nothing changed from the beatles though so there was no influence. The same shit would have happened from pink floyd stones etc, which came before or around the same time.
There was nothing like tvu around the same time.
also, OP specifically asked about tvun and sgt pepper. by the time sgt pepper came around piper was already a thing and was very influential to psychrock. pepper wasn't even influential to it's subgenre.
Banana pretty much created punk rock/indie rock as we know it.
Beatles pushed pop to its limits and also shaped all psych to come.
If only their was an album that combined them perfectly. And no it's not Loveless, that obviously leans more towards Banana than being psych and is too abrasive. Would OK Computer count? Not really psych though and still is more aggressive than pop.
he said they were "trash" lol. there were other people in the VU that may have liked them. anyways this mogs the beatles version lol
1 week ago
Anonymous
>he said they were "trash" lol.
Source?
1 week ago
Anonymous
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/lou-reed-velvet-underground-the-beatles-garbage-rare-interview/
in his own words. skip to around 3 minutes to hear him call the beatles "garbage"
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Shortly after The Velvet Underground & Nico is released, Lou Reed tells Jackson Browne and rock critic Richard Meltzer that his two favorite guitarists are George Harrison and The Byrds’ Roger McGuinn
He's full of shit
1 week ago
Anonymous
Frank Zappa said the same shit. First he said he hated The Beatles and said they sucked. In later interviews he'd just say "they were okay, but I'm a Stones fan" exactly like Lou Reed. They are mad jealous.
1 week ago
Anonymous
2:30 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBpaE0ppxow
Beatles. If even a metalhead like Lemmy mentioned his admiration for the Beatles, you can realise how far they reached.
Whereas VU only impressed more a more hipsterish, art school audience. VU was a favourite among movie and art school graduates, people working in the fashion industry, critics, etc. Middle class snobs.
Beatles reached a massive audience of normies and everyone else, including the hipsters.
TVU and Nico album pioneered many bands and genres yet the Beatles album just influenced some of the psychedelic and rock bands especually the album covers
Banana, it pioneered indie rock and punk
it pioneered shit then
more people heard beatles
more people who heard banana starded bands
or something like that
Yeah thats pretty accurate. If you mean raw popularity it's the Beatles if you mean longterm artistic legacy probably The VU. The Beatles were ofc bigger at the time but a lot of bands that emulate other 60s Rocj Bands don't really try to sound like The Beatles. You wouldn't know The Moody Blues were Sgt.Pepper inspired or whatever from listening to Tool or Christian Vanders Magma or CAN or whatever the fuck really.
Beatles
VU might be the most influential band of all time.
The Beatles weren't even the most influential band of the british invassion era (Stones and Who).
VU wins easily.
You make it seem like having a load of copycat wankers plagiarising your style is a good thing. I don't think the Beatles would give a shit if they influenced other musicians.
the OP asks "WHICH BAND IS THE MOST INFLUENTIAL" you braindead beatles cocksucker
I like both bands dumbass. It's music, not a tournament.
then why did you reply to a random anon to say that reply to the op
Hard to say. TVU seems like the obvious choice but I've understood that the Beatles really did change people's conceptions of what a pop group could do and opened the doors for people to experiment more because the labels would be more accepting of new stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong on that
before the Beatles, bands were perceived as the frontman + the backing band. (Elvis, Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, etc) They basically invented the concept of the band as we know it today - a band is you and the boys and you're all a significant piece of the pie
they may have changed the perception but they definitely didn't invent it
pretty INFLUENTIAL, wouldn't ya say?
they definitely were, yeah. still not entirely sold on this particular aspect though, i think the rise of the rock band concept probably had more to do with cheaper instrument manufacture.
This.
Probably yeah. Popularity does buy short time influence though just not a given that that caries into today whereas it's pretty obvious that they weren't going to just be putting German Folk Singers next to that sort of mostly Yiddish style modernist chord progressions on rock albums without at least some resemblance of The VU existing. The Beatles having very generic anglosphere folk elements it seems like Cream or Yardbirds or whatever could have easily done the same or at leas tsimilar without them although ofc Cream and The Beatles are different bands. (See also:Pink Floyd)
Black Sabbath
Beatles influenced more bands, TVU influenced better bands
most accurate post itt, but that's not saying much
>better bands
Feel free to name some
Joy Division
Sonic Youth
Jesus & Mary Chain
Strokes
Interpol
Television
Modern Lovers
Suicide
Not sure about better but definitely cooler than bands influenced by Beattheirwives (Oasis, Panic at the disco and tame impala lol)
why would anyone name the beatles as their primary influence lol
thats like saying cheese is your favorite cheese
>TVU influenced better bands
better than TVU maybe.
they heard TVU and thought, "i could totally do that easy" lol. shit band.
Even the velvet themselves stated how inspiring and mindblowing rubber soul was at the time, only terminal contrarians seem to underplay the beatles influence these days
Beatles easily
They influenced Dylan and Hendrix
TVU only influenced trannies
honestly i think its clear you have to give this one to the Beatles even though i personally much prefer TVU
obviously TVU was influenced by The Beatles themselves. almost all bands that were influenced by TVU were also at least indirectly influenced by The Beatles.
VU aren’t even good. Mogged in every respect by Beatles
sgt pepper was late to the psychrock game and made an album worse than the ones that were already out
TVUN was something new
For me it's the bands that were both beatles and tvu influenced
I understand how dylan and the randy warhols were influential
can someone actually explain how the beatles were?
>can someone actually explain how the beatles were?
In case you are actually serious go listen to pop music pre-Beatles, especially from Britain. They perfectly represent the gap between the 50s and 60s in popular music, forever changing the course of British music like no other act.
I honestly fucking hate The Beatles but this is really a question that would be best answered by like,go fucking listen to them and then contextualize around that based on release dates and what music came before and afterwards.
velvet underground and it's not even close
popular =/= influential
beatles. nobody except pretentious art fags and punk dilettantes were influenced by banana.
>sgt pepper was late to the psychrock game and made an album worse than the ones that were already out
>TVUN was something new
TVU is probably better but saying Beatles were less influential means you have absolutely no grasp of music history
Beatles reached so many more people it's impossible for them to be less influential. almost every rock band in history owes some debt to the beatles. its not really a fair question, you should ask which band was more innovative instead
also, beatles were much much much more influential outside of anglo countries
correct take
Nothing changed from the beatles though so there was no influence. The same shit would have happened from pink floyd stones etc, which came before or around the same time.
There was nothing like tvu around the same time.
also, OP specifically asked about tvun and sgt pepper. by the time sgt pepper came around piper was already a thing and was very influential to psychrock. pepper wasn't even influential to it's subgenre.
LULZ is the worst board on LULZ
Not an argument and also ratio
banana is good for the alt/indie/punk scene
beatles was far more influential if you're talking about the general culture of rock overall
It always comes down to these two.
Banana pretty much created punk rock/indie rock as we know it.
Beatles pushed pop to its limits and also shaped all psych to come.
If only their was an album that combined them perfectly. And no it's not Loveless, that obviously leans more towards Banana than being psych and is too abrasive. Would OK Computer count? Not really psych though and still is more aggressive than pop.
pop is just influenced by other genres
beatles were influenced by psychrock
thus beatles did not have influence, psychrock did
Beatles were making psych rock before it even started
Not really no. They were doing Folk Rock shortly after Bob Dylan did but not exclusively.
they were doing psych pop
Beatles influenced Velvet Underground so they win by default
Not how it works.
Yeah it is, sorry
Lou Reed fucking hated The Beatles though. Skeptical
Shit that sounds like this stopped being relevant after The Early 2000s.
>Lou Reed fucking hated The Beatles though.
Source?
he said they were "trash" lol. there were other people in the VU that may have liked them. anyways this mogs the beatles version lol
>he said they were "trash" lol.
Source?
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/lou-reed-velvet-underground-the-beatles-garbage-rare-interview/
in his own words. skip to around 3 minutes to hear him call the beatles "garbage"
>Shortly after The Velvet Underground & Nico is released, Lou Reed tells Jackson Browne and rock critic Richard Meltzer that his two favorite guitarists are George Harrison and The Byrds’ Roger McGuinn
He's full of shit
Frank Zappa said the same shit. First he said he hated The Beatles and said they sucked. In later interviews he'd just say "they were okay, but I'm a Stones fan" exactly like Lou Reed. They are mad jealous.
2:30 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBpaE0ppxow
Probably some copypasta these trannies keep posting on here
Wrong
definitely beatles altogether
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Beatles. If even a metalhead like Lemmy mentioned his admiration for the Beatles, you can realise how far they reached.
Whereas VU only impressed more a more hipsterish, art school audience. VU was a favourite among movie and art school graduates, people working in the fashion industry, critics, etc. Middle class snobs.
Beatles reached a massive audience of normies and everyone else, including the hipsters.
Answering VU is dishonest contrarianism and every homosexual in this thread choosing them knows it
t. hates the beatles
TVU and Nico album pioneered many bands and genres yet the Beatles album just influenced some of the psychedelic and rock bands especually the album covers
lol psychedelic art was a thing before psychedelic music beatles didn't influence that