Now that Ukraine receiving F-16's is a sealed deal, should NATO give Ukraine A-10 Warthogs next?
Now that Ukraine receiving F-16's is a sealed deal, should NATO give Ukraine A-10 Warthogs next?
Now that Ukraine receiving F-16's is a sealed deal, should NATO give Ukraine A-10 Warthogs next?
Useless anywhere that has AA or enemy air power.
Ukraine will be able to attain air dominance once they receive the F-16's
If Ukraine's Su-27s can't do it, then how can F-16AMs do it?
Because F-16 is a much better plane than Su-27. How is that even a question
>no argument
>just pure shitposting
I'm more inclined to believe you're just pretending to be a braindead nafoid
Are you genuinely suggesting that Su-27 is a better plane than F-16? If so, I'd like to see some hard data to support that argument
16 is a breddy gud blane tbh, but it wont mean shit in ukraine. it's just another tool so that they can get the "last ukranian" achievment.
Then why is Russia so angry about it?
Probably because they will likely be operating out of Polish airports because Ukraine runways are all fucked. Who knows but I imagine they will fly in from Poland try to hit targets before running leaveand airspace.
If Putin had balls he would strike the aircraft sitting on polish runways but I doubt he’ll do it.
Doesn’t that count as NATO being involved in war.
(Lol like they somehow aren’t right now).
Seems like it. Putin should hit any aircraft that did strikes on separatist areas when they land in Poland but doubt Putin will do it.
i didnt say they wont cause inconvenience. i get pissed too when my wagies start telling me two more weeks because there's constant new hurdles to overcome.
> Su-27 is a better plane than F-16?
Most would say a su-27 is better than f-16. Literally beats it in almost every stat other than maintenance cost and a slightly bigger payload.
Anyone with a brain would say su-35 is better than even the highest end f-16.
Ukraine will likely get old shit variants.
Before you shout “shill, shill , vatnagger ect.” I don’t care who wins. I dislike both Ukraine and Russia and 1 plane shooting another doesn’t affect my life at all.
Su-57 has never been battle-tested, whereas F-16 is a tried and true veteran. We'll have to see how Su-57 performs outside of air shows and russian propaganda to get a clear picture. And even if you're right, Russia having to put their flagship plane in harm's way for the sake of fucking ukraine would be very humiliating. Russia doesn't have a great track record with flagships and the ukraine war in the first place
I said su-35. It’s just an upgraded su-27 specifically upgraded to be able to defeats current f-16’s.
Su-57 is a whole different aircraft.
Su-57 is supposed to be equal to the f22 but most people doubt that. Nobody knows how many they have and have only watched them doing air show aerobatics.
Pretty sure f22 would wreck a su-57 but only Us has f22
Based on what?
First of all, the F-16 exists in many variants. The F-16V is clearly better, since it has an AESA radar, however the F-16AM which is what Ukraine will most likely receive has a shitty planar array radar.
US plane K/D stats are skewed by generally fighting with AWACS support against enemy planes that are a generation behind and/or lacks AWACS support. In Ukraine, it would be the opposite - F-16AMs would have minimal or no AWACS support and fight against Russian planes that are half a generation or a whole generation ahead and with AWACS support.
At best, what the F-16AM means is that Ukraine will get a missile that is at least comparable to R-77-1
The F-16 won't last more than a few hours on the air
>Ukraine will be able to attain air dominance once they receive the F-16's
And everything will be fine once Steinerenko launches his counterattack.
Have they actually found anyone willing to hand over their F-16s to Ukraine yet? Who is going to supply the ground crews that it would take at least a year to train?
Who is going to supply the logistics chain?
>Have they actually found anyone willing to hand over their F-16s to Ukraine yet?
Poland and UK for starters.
>useless against everything but sandnaggers with small caliber rifles.
That sounds like Russians to me
It is useless trying to have a discussion with Finns on this topic.
nagger are you serious
Yes
The effectiveness of su-27 vs f16 could be debated but most will agree the su-27 is a better aircraft.
f16 vs su-35 (upgraded su-27) isn’t debated at all. Russia regularly uses su-35 in Ukraine.
>low of the hi-low mix
>air dominance
>Useless anywhere
only one way to find out
teh AF would love to do this, they've been trying to get rid of them for 20 years now
Was about to say.. that's the only way the AF can actually get rid of them.
Yes.
Everything for Ukraine.
The world for Ukraine.
Yes and we should be giving them nuclear weapons too so they csn bomb putins house
VIVA KYIV
VIVA UKRAINE Y
VIVA MEXICO CABRONES
>we should be giving them nuclear weapons
this unironically
would stop future invasions instantly
why even memeflag, what's the point if your writing is that recognizable
youre doing imageboards wrong
why even memeflag, what's the point if your writing is that recognizable
youre doing imageboards wrong
>we should be giving them nuclear weapons
but only as a defensive weapon, not to be used on russian territory, right?
sure, why not!
Su-25 > A-10
fite me
A10s are useless for Ukraine. They require air superiority and suppression of ground based air defenses. A-10s were already offered and rejected. Even US acknowledges it was a stupid offer. "We" were just trying to offload them and take them off the books.
Warthog for piggers, makes sense
Only if they follow through and put tail gunners on them so they can BRRRRT both coming and going.
A-10's are only useful in the environment of complete air dominance. Otherwise they are slow and big and any decent air defence could destroy them.
The Ukrainians would just use them like they use Su-25s: as fast-moving MLRS launching hydra rockets.
Yes they should give every single ukrainian a slow relic of a plane that is useless against everything but sandnaggers with small caliber rifles.
A10 is crap the Russian version is better.
Russian version? How come I have never heard of it
They are dropping like flies too, even though they are more survivable in a modern war than A-10s.
NO! said the ukraine king. LIQUID CASH ONLY, I am getting dimes on the dollars selling your shit in the black market, saids the israelite king