it's not much of an advertisement.
i don't know what it's about, where it's from, or why anyone would care, nor do i care enough to type out the words in the picture to see if i can find what it's about.
if advertising's goal is to create more apathy than what existed before, then i guess op hit the mark.
Speaking of which: Are pictures of words technology?
>noo i want to be able to abandon projects for an indeterminate amout of time, please don't ask me to announce that im no longer working on it because then someone might fork it and i could lose control of the project. I want to be in charge even though i haven't touched it in a year while it stagnates, it's MY project
Correct, but because open sauce devs are all primadonnas forking an active project is seen as hostile and insulting so people try to avoid doing it when possible and try to work with the project owner. Unfortunately when there is a mismatch between the maintainers intrest and activity and the community's intrest and activity you end up with situations where commits and bug reports pile up but the maintainer doesn't want to acknowledge that they don't have time/interest in the project and instead of just announcing that they don't have time for it right now the maintainer instead makes whiny blogposts about how you shouldn't ask them if they have abandoned the project.
sure, but people don't want to make a "continuation" fork without knowing if the original one is actually dead or not, it's unnecessary fragmentation which annoys both devs and users
if the original dev doesn't want to actively maintain it anymore, that's obviously fine, but a heads up would be nice, so anyone interested can take up sooner instead of just leaving everyone wondering for a year
I'm probably going to archive one of my projects soon, I just made it for fun during a few weekends and published it, but now there's a lot of demand for features to it and I don't really care to spend my spare time on it. No one seems to want to contribute, for whatever reason, so I may as well just shutter it and if anyone wants to enhance it they can fork it.
It's true that it's rude to essentially ask >please indicate whether you intend to continue to provide free labour and support for this project which we are evaluating for use as part of our business
although there's also a hint of truth in
The best solution is to never release anything under a cuck license. Use the AGPL every time. If it's a solo project and you want to keep it that way, you could offer a commercial license and support plan to those who ask for it. (But you can't do this if you've ever accepted a contribution from someone without paying them or intend to ever accept such a contribution, because then you'd be the one profiting from their free labour on your project.)
This "man" will make an angry tearful blogpost if you fork one of his projects without permission and might even try to DMCA you before getting slapped down by github for releasing his garbage toy rust project under a cuck license.
>muh cuck license >you vill be crying if someone forks >might even try to DMCA
it's like the masked crying wojak meme applied to the useless saddest overweight acne ridden nerdy basedjaks on the planet. it's like arguing with retarded tankies - how their solution against muh capitalism and muh ceos is more regulation - free and open source isnt free enough so we're going to bully the "cucks" and wonder why we arent swimming in good free shit
>It's true that it's rude to essentially ask
indicate whether you intend to continue to provide free labour and support for this project which we are evaluating for use as part of our business
It really isn't.
I don't get why open sores dev can't relax ever and assume that anything that may be even interpreted as slightly critical is a personal attack or a slight.
It's a question. Maybe you noticed a bug and want to know if you're even accepting patches. The issue tracker isn't the place to do that, sure, but throwing a fit and writing a blog post because "it's rude" to be asked a question about the status of your project is childish.
People ask if a project is dead because there hasn't been a new commit in 2 weeks, it's a fair opinion, much more so than basedgape shit like PLZ DONT THEME OUR APPS
>is broken >submit PR >no response for weeks >people ask if it's dead >no response >people fork and commit the relevant code >original owner comes back trying to not seem like he's seething, IT'S NOT DEAD!!!
i've seen this happen so many times, sometimes people switch back and it's fine, sometimes the owner makes a few updates then abandons it again, it's some weird ego thing
It's really embarrassing to see men write like this, especially wording like "not in a good place mentally", these fragile little flowers are also inexplicably workaholics so the idea that their freely available pet project might have a bug in it sends them in a panic.
>freaking out about a nonissue
Are people really fragile babies? He does realize there are retards in the world right? Work in the real world and you'll inevitably have a boss ask a stupid question, do you shit and piss your pants when he asks a stupid question too?
It's so easy to move past this too:
"Hey thanks for your interest in the project, it's not dead, if you have any feature requests or bugs please submit an issue."
The problem is that the project is dead, but he doesn't want to have it get forked, so instead he yells at you for asking if it's dead while he continues to not do any upkeep.
>the AI industry has been evolving so rapidly >hurr why are people asking if my project is abandoned after not updating it for weeks or months in a field where todays innovation is obsolete tomorrow
Literally, clinically braindead. >muh 3k github goodboy points
Legitimate question when you find something and it's been a long time since it's bee updated and you just don't want to do the slog of searching for active forks before you invest jn getting it working.
>program hasn't had an update in 3 hours >zoomers and poos be like IT'S ABANDONWARE
It's fucking cancer and it's everywhere. It has to be marketing people, there's no other explanation for how pervasive this type of comment is everywhere you go.
yt-dl was never abandoned, but we have yt-dlp
The better path would have been to wait for them to get their shit together?
People want timely updates, even if they aren't entitled to them.
A valid reason to fork is conflicts with the author.
yt-dlp is more prone to this kind of thing because it's network bound and designed to evade google limitations which are changed monthly, sometimes weekly.
Github, social media and smartphones have ruined generations. Zoomers especially.
I used to be into some very niche open source projects (like a game engine for DOS) in the 2000s there was NONE of this nonsense. Often developers would host a site themselves with docs. There would be an SVN repo and a mailing list. It's clear from the personal site it's just someone's fucking hobby and you had ZERO expectations if there was nothing being released for 6+ months. And I remember when updates after said delays would just be "life stuff" or something vague like that and there was no long discussions or essays about it.
I think it's just generations who've grown up with social media being free, internet being (basically free, certainly not metered like a phone call). Github is free. Hosting a blog is free etc. So naturally, young people assume that some open source project support is expected for free too.
And then you have these narcissistic woe is me essays as to why projects haven't been updated. Instead of you know, just saying "yeah I haven't found the time to get back into this hobby project, you're free to fork or submit PRs". This is because we have people raised on social media who assume online and reactions to your online persona is everything. When you know, it should be the opposite. You should be focused on family and personal life first and treat the internet like you would a telephone call or writing a letter. Something that's nice to do every once in a while but it certainly shouldn't be affecting your actual life.
Holy shit. That person was being essentially as polite as one possibly can be in that context, and got their head bitten off for it. Sounds like Max is still in the midst of his mental breakdown.
>head bitten off
You'll get an update when you get an update. People seem to forget this shit is free and that you are not entitled to free updates. Nothing was even broken in the project. This person just wanted to passive aggressively prod him back to work. >why not be excited for a fork
Its annoying. You just want to take a break because some shit comes up or work gets busier and then some asshole shows up and hijacks your whole project out from under you. Its shit like this that makes me think proprietary software had the right idea. You can take a break and if anyone has a problem they can pound sand. I still have a direction for my project and once a fork becomes the main branch then I can no longer pursue that direction without asking for permission on code I wrote. That or you just get stuck competing and having two versions of the same thing. It sucks for everyone involved at that point.
if you give someone money in exchange for nothing it's entirely possible you'll get nothing. i recommend only giving money in exchange for goods or binding contracts
>once a fork becomes the main branch then I can no longer pursue that direction without asking for permission on code I wrote
just pull from upstream and keep working on it. i don't get why people don't do this
If it's an ego thing, you might not want to share copyright with people other than yourself, the commits in the fork might not follow your specific code style or sensibilities, they might start randomly adding dependencies like using C99 or C18 features in what was previously an ANSI C clean codebase, etc.
>adding dependencies like using C99 or C18 features in what was previously an ANSI C clean codebase
lol... it's 100% an narcissist thing if you're still writing ANSI C and pretending to be some god programmer in 2023.
>Max's projects are funded by his Patreon
Ahh, now we get to the meat of the issue, his project can't be abandoned because people are donating money to him for him to work on it. So if he acknowledges that he isn't going to work on it then why are people paying him to?
ok but the op is literally drowning in patreon bucks to fix his shit. people are dropping into his issues to say "dude, you're begging for emoney, but if I hand some over are you actually going to support this shit?" and all he can do is sneed and cope
Yeah tbh still not enough to make me change my life around. I would certainly pay attention and try to do shit, but not going to cancel other life stuff just for a few extra hundred. Obviously this will vary person to person. Honestly better to just not accept any money unless you make it clear that it's purely a donation and not i n any way a suggestion to work more for them.
Why is it so hard for someone to simply say "Yes, I moved on/its feature complete/lost interest/whatever".
Its 100% okay to do so and lets others know they're better off forking.
Its a completely valid question and there is no reason to be a complete bitch about it.
do not anger the rustaceans
buy an ad if you want to advertise your blog
it's not much of an advertisement.
i don't know what it's about, where it's from, or why anyone would care, nor do i care enough to type out the words in the picture to see if i can find what it's about.
if advertising's goal is to create more apathy than what existed before, then i guess op hit the mark.
Speaking of which: Are pictures of words technology?
That's just the new ni/g/g/er npc response to anything that's not distro wars and manchild e-waste collecting.
>noo i want to be able to abandon projects for an indeterminate amout of time, please don't ask me to announce that im no longer working on it because then someone might fork it and i could lose control of the project. I want to be in charge even though i haven't touched it in a year while it stagnates, it's MY project
/thread
That's exactly what is going on here.
tpbp, /thread too
nothing wrong with this
of course not, but don't use a freetard license if you don't want freetard things to happen
No one is stopping anyone from forking a project at any time.
Correct, but because open sauce devs are all primadonnas forking an active project is seen as hostile and insulting so people try to avoid doing it when possible and try to work with the project owner. Unfortunately when there is a mismatch between the maintainers intrest and activity and the community's intrest and activity you end up with situations where commits and bug reports pile up but the maintainer doesn't want to acknowledge that they don't have time/interest in the project and instead of just announcing that they don't have time for it right now the maintainer instead makes whiny blogposts about how you shouldn't ask them if they have abandoned the project.
sure, but people don't want to make a "continuation" fork without knowing if the original one is actually dead or not, it's unnecessary fragmentation which annoys both devs and users
if the original dev doesn't want to actively maintain it anymore, that's obviously fine, but a heads up would be nice, so anyone interested can take up sooner instead of just leaving everyone wondering for a year
hello? truthbomb department?
I'm probably going to archive one of my projects soon, I just made it for fun during a few weekends and published it, but now there's a lot of demand for features to it and I don't really care to spend my spare time on it. No one seems to want to contribute, for whatever reason, so I may as well just shutter it and if anyone wants to enhance it they can fork it.
It's true that it's rude to essentially ask
>please indicate whether you intend to continue to provide free labour and support for this project which we are evaluating for use as part of our business
although there's also a hint of truth in
The best solution is to never release anything under a cuck license. Use the AGPL every time. If it's a solo project and you want to keep it that way, you could offer a commercial license and support plan to those who ask for it. (But you can't do this if you've ever accepted a contribution from someone without paying them or intend to ever accept such a contribution, because then you'd be the one profiting from their free labour on your project.)
This "man" will make an angry tearful blogpost if you fork one of his projects without permission and might even try to DMCA you before getting slapped down by github for releasing his garbage toy rust project under a cuck license.
>muh cuck license
>you vill be crying if someone forks
>might even try to DMCA
it's like the masked crying wojak meme applied to the useless saddest overweight acne ridden nerdy basedjaks on the planet. it's like arguing with retarded tankies - how their solution against muh capitalism and muh ceos is more regulation - free and open source isnt free enough so we're going to bully the "cucks" and wonder why we arent swimming in good free shit
>It's true that it's rude to essentially ask
indicate whether you intend to continue to provide free labour and support for this project which we are evaluating for use as part of our business
It really isn't.
I don't get why open sores dev can't relax ever and assume that anything that may be even interpreted as slightly critical is a personal attack or a slight.
It's a question. Maybe you noticed a bug and want to know if you're even accepting patches. The issue tracker isn't the place to do that, sure, but throwing a fit and writing a blog post because "it's rude" to be asked a question about the status of your project is childish.
based, i'm gonna try doing this to dead projects to see if the maintainer seethes
updooters start getting fucking crack-withdrawal if they don't get updates pushed every hour
People ask if a project is dead because there hasn't been a new commit in 2 weeks, it's a fair opinion, much more so than basedgape shit like PLZ DONT THEME OUR APPS
2 weeks? More like 2 years
>is broken
>submit PR
>no response for weeks
>people ask if it's dead
>no response
>people fork and commit the relevant code
>original owner comes back trying to not seem like he's seething, IT'S NOT DEAD!!!
i've seen this happen so many times, sometimes people switch back and it's fine, sometimes the owner makes a few updates then abandons it again, it's some weird ego thing
It's really embarrassing to see men write like this, especially wording like "not in a good place mentally", these fragile little flowers are also inexplicably workaholics so the idea that their freely available pet project might have a bug in it sends them in a panic.
women are worse
What if they write like this?
>I had a mental breakdown
I really have trouble sympathizing with fake illnesses
right? everyone should write like a 14 year old who just watched the joker movie
>freaking out about a nonissue
Are people really fragile babies? He does realize there are retards in the world right? Work in the real world and you'll inevitably have a boss ask a stupid question, do you shit and piss your pants when he asks a stupid question too?
It's so easy to move past this too:
"Hey thanks for your interest in the project, it's not dead, if you have any feature requests or bugs please submit an issue."
The problem is that the project is dead, but he doesn't want to have it get forked, so instead he yells at you for asking if it's dead while he continues to not do any upkeep.
Sounds like a major homosexual who should move on with his shitty life.
>the AI industry has been evolving so rapidly
>hurr why are people asking if my project is abandoned after not updating it for weeks or months in a field where todays innovation is obsolete tomorrow
Literally, clinically braindead.
>muh 3k github goodboy points
>minimaxir
what the heck, i didn't know he was cringe like this. i enjoyed using his gpt training library
>simpleaichat
..why would you use that over the official openai library?
Legitimate question when you find something and it's been a long time since it's bee updated and you just don't want to do the slog of searching for active forks before you invest jn getting it working.
>program hasn't had an update in 3 hours
>zoomers and poos be like IT'S ABANDONWARE
It's fucking cancer and it's everywhere. It has to be marketing people, there's no other explanation for how pervasive this type of comment is everywhere you go.
yt-dl was never abandoned, but we have yt-dlp
The better path would have been to wait for them to get their shit together?
People want timely updates, even if they aren't entitled to them.
A valid reason to fork is conflicts with the author.
yt-dlp is more prone to this kind of thing because it's network bound and designed to evade google limitations which are changed monthly, sometimes weekly.
Speaking of which, what happened to yt-dl ?
Why did it suddenly stop working ?
Did the dev try to fix it ?
Hasn't the movement to get people to stop asking people to ask if FOSS projects are abandoned been abandoned?
It's a legitimate question, though. Sometimes projects get forked or move to something like gitlab
Github, social media and smartphones have ruined generations. Zoomers especially.
I used to be into some very niche open source projects (like a game engine for DOS) in the 2000s there was NONE of this nonsense. Often developers would host a site themselves with docs. There would be an SVN repo and a mailing list. It's clear from the personal site it's just someone's fucking hobby and you had ZERO expectations if there was nothing being released for 6+ months. And I remember when updates after said delays would just be "life stuff" or something vague like that and there was no long discussions or essays about it.
I think it's just generations who've grown up with social media being free, internet being (basically free, certainly not metered like a phone call). Github is free. Hosting a blog is free etc. So naturally, young people assume that some open source project support is expected for free too.
And then you have these narcissistic woe is me essays as to why projects haven't been updated. Instead of you know, just saying "yeah I haven't found the time to get back into this hobby project, you're free to fork or submit PRs". This is because we have people raised on social media who assume online and reactions to your online persona is everything. When you know, it should be the opposite. You should be focused on family and personal life first and treat the internet like you would a telephone call or writing a letter. Something that's nice to do every once in a while but it certainly shouldn't be affecting your actual life.
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Holy shit. That person was being essentially as polite as one possibly can be in that context, and got their head bitten off for it. Sounds like Max is still in the midst of his mental breakdown.
>head bitten off
You'll get an update when you get an update. People seem to forget this shit is free and that you are not entitled to free updates. Nothing was even broken in the project. This person just wanted to passive aggressively prod him back to work.
>why not be excited for a fork
Its annoying. You just want to take a break because some shit comes up or work gets busier and then some asshole shows up and hijacks your whole project out from under you. Its shit like this that makes me think proprietary software had the right idea. You can take a break and if anyone has a problem they can pound sand. I still have a direction for my project and once a fork becomes the main branch then I can no longer pursue that direction without asking for permission on code I wrote. That or you just get stuck competing and having two versions of the same thing. It sucks for everyone involved at that point.
He is collecting patreon donations to work on it
if you give someone money in exchange for nothing it's entirely possible you'll get nothing. i recommend only giving money in exchange for goods or binding contracts
>then some asshole shows up and hijacks your whole project out from under you
you can always just ignore them
>once a fork becomes the main branch then I can no longer pursue that direction without asking for permission on code I wrote
just pull from upstream and keep working on it. i don't get why people don't do this
If it's an ego thing, you might not want to share copyright with people other than yourself, the commits in the fork might not follow your specific code style or sensibilities, they might start randomly adding dependencies like using C99 or C18 features in what was previously an ANSI C clean codebase, etc.
do devs like this also refuse pull requests? i assume those add people to the copyright list
>adding dependencies like using C99 or C18 features in what was previously an ANSI C clean codebase
lol... it's 100% an narcissist thing if you're still writing ANSI C and pretending to be some god programmer in 2023.
hi minimaxir, kindly go work on your project please
>a CLI wrapper for the openai lib
>an AI project
Hysteric answer
This dude lives in fantasyland.
>Max's projects are funded by his Patreon
Ahh, now we get to the meat of the issue, his project can't be abandoned because people are donating money to him for him to work on it. So if he acknowledges that he isn't going to work on it then why are people paying him to?
>is a Data Scientist at BuzzFeed
I guess they finally did learn to code.
"Data Scientist" isn't a protected title. Anyone can call themselves one.
It's funny because if you open up a spreadsheet and run a filter and generate a chart that's technically a "Data Scientist".
Exactly.
Give me a protected title so that I can start calling myself one.
I bequeath thee the title of 'Asslicker'. Go forth and seize thine destiny!
>san francisco
more proof that cities are inhuman environments
it is not normal to mentally break down at a basic question
SF "people" suck even by urban standards.
>p
~
In all honesty, if you feel the need to ask then it likely is.
use a mailing list
>"this project is not maintained but I take patches"
Let me guess, you need more
If they don't pay me money I have no obligations to update my projects on any kind of fixed frequency or schedule.
ok but the op is literally drowning in patreon bucks to fix his shit. people are dropping into his issues to say "dude, you're begging for emoney, but if I hand some over are you actually going to support this shit?" and all he can do is sneed and cope
How much money are we talking?
a couple hundred a month. not exactly quit the day job money, granted.
Yeah tbh still not enough to make me change my life around. I would certainly pay attention and try to do shit, but not going to cancel other life stuff just for a few extra hundred. Obviously this will vary person to person. Honestly better to just not accept any money unless you make it clear that it's purely a donation and not i n any way a suggestion to work more for them.
thanks doc
then how about don't leave us hanging and announce if the project is abandoned.
Why is it so hard for someone to simply say "Yes, I moved on/its feature complete/lost interest/whatever".
Its 100% okay to do so and lets others know they're better off forking.
Its a completely valid question and there is no reason to be a complete bitch about it.