This has to be an inside joke, right? It's the most obvious cope ever that these people just have a fetish for pretending to be a girl.
None of you actually fall for the "euphoria boner" excuse, right?
This has to be an inside joke, right? It's the most obvious cope ever that these people just have a fetish for pretending to be a girl.
you can still be a girl and have a fetish for it, why not?
AFABs generally don't get wet by looking at themselves in a mirror. AGPs are way more common despite being way less than 50& of the population.
generally, but not all, there is a study that shows high agp incidence in lesbian and bi ciswomen, I'll link it when I get home
also afabs grow with a different sexual function and brain pathing, and don't have to repress their feminity, repression leads to fetishism
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00918360903005212
there was another that correlated it more with the sexual orientation, but I can't find it
Stop trying to rationalize your behavior you disgusting freak
Yeh it's a fetish, I've never had "gender euphoria" or a boner from doing something typically feminine.
I've never gotten a boner but I have felt very very happy emotionally.
Yes, it's a cope.
Yes, they are male fetishists that get aroused doing "woman" things and crossdressing.
Yes, they often transition and jump onto the acceptance bandwagon while claiming to be "trans", when in reality, it's all just calculated steps to fuel their fetish.
The problem is that it doesn't actually matter, because at the end of the day, all trannies are crossdressing men (on hormones). Objectively. It doesn't matter how you try to justify it. There is no better or worse, right or wrong. In terms of what transgender women objectively are, regardless of motivation or appearance, they have been and always will be (until major scientific advancement) XY males, crossdressing, pretending to be/adopting the social role of: women (social).
The same goes for FtM with some things reversed. It doesn't matter how accepting society is of males (sex) presenting as women (social). It doesn't matter what they wear, how they speak, what hormones they take, what surgeries they get- Until we obtain the actual ability to make men into women and women into men, the best we can do is change definitions and separate sex and gender.
Even then, they are still males (sex) that CHOOSE to live as women (social) and females (sex) that CHOOSE to live as men (social).
It's all going to be deemed degeneracy by those that oppose it, so its absolutely pointless to nitpick anything regarding it or try to find justifications for any of it. The justification is that these individuals have a better outcome for a better quality of life with support, so what's what we'll do.
I think it'd be beneficial to call out the pervs so that they don't get lumped in with us.
We should at least stop pretending like they aren't just fetishists.
If we start like that 1/it's iliberal 2/it's rapidly impossible to segregate fetichists from legit dysphoric agps. Maybe dysphoria isn't one thing.
People with fetishes can go to incredible lengths to get that fetish.For instance, furries will shell out 1000's of $ for a fursuit and weird vore porn of their fursona. It's not unreasonable to suspect that AGPs don't actually have dysphoria but have instead convinced themselves that their fetish is GD.
Well that's pretty autistic and I can't relate to that but great.
>People with fetishes can go to incredible lengths to get that fetish.For instance, furries will shell out 1000's of $ for a fursuit and weird vore porn of their fursona. It's not unreasonable to suspect that AGPs don't actually have dysphoria but have instead convinced themselves that their fetish is GD.
spending some money on a fursuit you wear once or twice a year at conventions is a bit different from changing your entire life, name, voice, appearance 24/7, and irreversibly altering your biology
Yes it is very unreasonable
sorry but the reality of transexualism has always been agp, HSTS have always been a separate and rarer caste.
Sorry but through the world the only transwomen are exclusivly hsts (Philippines, brazil, feminellis, Iran, Thaïland, india, Samoa etc etc). Agps are exclusive to western world. Real transsexuals are naturally very feminines males. And they should have stayed the center of what being transsexual is. (Dysphoric or not, preferably dysphoric ones lol). I always wondered if dysphoria is also a spectrum.
they troon to avoid homophobic persecution
Shut up the earliest form of homosexuality is the transgendered one.
I'm hsts always been dysphoric of my private part always imagined myself as female from age 2 to 18 and now on. Never been able to get out of that identification and to love men. I always pretended being female and everyone mistoke me for a female as a teen and I always knew I was gonna have srs and hormones at 18. So stfup. Hsts are not "Fake trans", and our feminity is fucking inate my face is one of a girl even when I was a femboy without making 0 effort to be feminine af.
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it literally says you're a homosexual transgender, why would a girl that likes boys be homosexual?
I'm ok being gay with dysphoria if that's what is being transsexual. I'm not faggy never been, but frail, and very shy and never had changes with my voice when going through puberty at 11.
I'm probably intersex never checked it.
Maybe dysphoria is correlated to being an androphile men* or a comorbidity
that doesnt make any sense if you're gay and is a girl you would like girls
hsts is the opposite of trutrans by blanchard's own definition
I'm sorry but if you're born male XY and loves women dysphoric or not you're still straight. I don't believe in the transbian meme. No agps are not lesbians
ok... why not?
still waiting for you to justify what you said
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Lol
Be born male
Be xy
Gynephile
Strange target location error
No neurobiological traces of ambigious prenatal androgen expose or intersexuation.
Transbian aka straight male in dress on estrogen.
>Be born male
so were you
>Be xy
so are you
>Gynephile
so are lesbians
>Strange target location error
?
are we talking about computers?
>No neurobiological traces of ambigious prenatal androgen expose or intersexuation.
I have both
>Transbian aka straight male in dress on estrogen.
HSTS aka gay male in a dress on estrogen
I can do the same
I'm xxy :/
But being gynephile is being a complete male during embryogensis. While being a fag is being failed and unfinish so by default near the female original form we were all at the first stages. Agps are fully grown males with no visible defect on their maleness. While hsts are weak, most of the time from poor environement their mothers weird sick or drug addict, testo resistance in Y chromosomes, pollution. Us hsts never functionned properly as men, we couldn't catfish at them because of dysphoria and the impossibility to hide our feminine nature. While transbians are fucking malebrained and even try to hookup with us. Sorry but the difference is huge and everyone could notice every gay guy are more fem than any agps Aka straight men with a disorder.
you're just disabled and weak, women don't have to be like that
It's absurd they doesnt it because there's no gay men there. Only a third category when you're amab and fem dysphoric or not. Also they are way more marginalized than homos everywhere they are classified as worst than homos since they look fem and practice sex work to survive. How sex work is the best way to avoid homophobia? It makes no fucking sex
Not true AGPs in the third world exist we just pretend to be HSTS because of social pressure
>t. Third world AGP
You only exist because of internet and globalization. Don't let your autistic brain get groomed
I was AGP before I had internet access
That's how you rationalize it a posteriori
not her, but I literally had it since a little kid too, I would go to sleep and fantasize of dressing up as a girl, it made me happy, not until puberty it started arousing me, one time and a birthday party I saw the boys wearing a dress from the dressing room as a joke, later when no one was watching I went in to try, but after it I was disturbed about it like I couldn't process that feeling, when I came home I layed in bed and stared at the ceiling while my parents asked me what happened, I was really disturbed by it for some reason while no one else was
Us have natural feminine essence. That translate in our behaviours, walking, voice, mannerism. And it's not learned it innate that's why we are getting shamed at that rom a very young age. A lot homosexual due to trauma are trying the masc mask even though they will troon out eventually (Chris crocker). You'll agps litteraly need lessons to be feminine while I was shamed for always being feminine without effort at age 3 until 18.
but I had feminine behaviors too and some people thought I was faggy, my father even fighted with a friend because of that when he pointed that out, and from that point on he tried to mold me the way he was, and I tried to please him because I looked up to him, it didn't work, and from teenagehood on he mistreated very harshly
That's how you gaslight someone because they don't fit the narrative you have formed in your head lol
We literally have historical records of AGPs from before the internet even existed lol
All this proves is that perverts have been larping as women for a long time.
AGPs were considered the "good ones" in nazi germany, were allowed SRS, transvestite passes and to adopt kids, all while HSTS were thrown in camps lol.
That's not giving you any legitimacy. That's perv and fuel for terfs. But you know they are right and you're not women. You have 0 feminity, it was already difficult to accept for the general public the idea that dysphoric fem gay men could live as a woman but disgusting incels that have 0 feminity and a self diagnose disorder. Is even worse. I don't wish you well.
AGPs are dysphoric, cope and seethe
No they are not why would they have euphoria boners if they were
Dysphoria but having 0 feminity? That's not just "male socialisation" c'mon. All of you have wives and nutted in their puss. You freaks.
someone can still get hard by wearing panties and be feminine
>0 feminity
this is just a strawman
Penis = male sex.
Being attracted to feminity + feminine clothes is fetichistic and a total male behaviour
You all like to add a moral conotation to that because it used to be the justification of you being gatekept though it's a fact.
by your logic lesbians and bi women are males too
did you know cis women clitoris get hard when they are aroused too? I guess that means they are into being male in sex too.....
you are so disingenuous
No lesbians are perv like you. Also you're born male so stop comparing yourself with women. There's something that's called reality and your reality is being born with two testicules and a penis which is the definition of being male. The rest is illusion, cognitive adaptation, but what we will still be till the end is MALE. Dont forget your very biology and think about your behaviours arasing from it.
And yes sex behaviours are pretty polarized. Males bottoms are certainly not the same as females bottoms.
oh ok so you're just transphobic and self hating
enjoy your miserable life, I'm glad I'm not you and have people who love me
And I'm very happy with my life. I'm post op and have a wonderful straight bf so everything is fine. Thanks.
lmao
sure
enjoy your VERY STRAIGHT boyfriend, he totally loves you because you are a REAL women and he's definitely NOT A FAG, because then you wouldn't be ''very happy with your life'' 😉
Okay this is none of my business really but
>All of you have wives and nutted in their puss
Is just such a blatant overgeneralisation that I can't really believe you are being serious anymore. You're trolling right?
Most AGPs reprogram their memory,because you get euphoria even from that lol
Yep. Really I wish we could identify these men obession and sickness with feminity and just cured them because they have nothing to do in the transsexual group.
That's true, which is why I'm skeptical of any memory related to this which I "recalled" after my dysphoria started, but in this case I verified it. The first time I remember masturbating to AGP was when I was 7 years old, it was to a comic book where the mc was turned into a girl, so I decided to look up the comic in question and voilla, not only does it exist, it's release date lines up chronologically. I'm sure you'll say I'm still lying though so GG
Sorry but as mtf androphile I never jerk off thinking of me as a woman. I was incapable of imaging myself engaging in gay act. Even being the passive with hairs was disgusting to me. Not having a vagina being obliged to only use my anus. The incapacity with being ok accepting I was supposed to be a gay man. Sorry but we have nothing in common. Could you imagine not being able to see myself during sex in other manner than with a woman's body and a straight male. It was awful.
Ok I do recognize AGP and HSTS are different etiologies, but I don't like the way you badmouth AGPs
Well maybe some are legit. I dont doubt but so many are doing harm specially sometimes it feels like they wanted it this way and some right wing guys like Kayla Lemieux will larp as mtf agp to makes us as a group look even more crazy.
Hum some of us have something called hardcore sex-based dysphoria
I found trans "ideology" deeply mysogynistic
>I found trans "ideology" deeply mysogynistic
for one, there is no "trans ideology". there are some trans women who are misogynistic but it isn't most of them
some weird boomerhon "academics" wrote some books where they said some misogynistic things but who cares about them
I'm sorry but saying you are a woman because you wear a dress and you're cooking in the kitchen. Or because you liked dolls (even if there's propre that primates likes toys according to their sense of sex belonging/gender, Frantz de waal talks about it). But most of what transwomen could say about their experience sounds mysogynistic and reinforcing sex prejudice to any rational person out there.
>I'm sorry but saying you are a woman because you wear a dress and you're cooking in the kitchen. Or because you liked dolls (even if there's propre that primates likes toys according to their sense of sex belonging/gender, Frantz de waal talks about it).
I think this is a cliched right-wing strawman of the typical trans/ultra-woke position. most people do not believe or act like this at all. in fact it's usually woke people who are the first to say that gender non-conformance is fine and that boys can wear dresses and girls can command tanks or whatever
like sure, maybe a few parents out there have been like "omg little tommy is playing with dolls, he's trans, i will support him" over their 5-year-olds but it's hardly any, while right-wingers on twitter think this is happening every day
also note this board is not a great place to discuss this because LULZ is easily the most misogynistic large social network in the world and that seeps into every board, including here
>But most of what transwomen could say about their experience sounds mysogynistic and reinforcing sex prejudice to any rational person out there.
i don't think you'll see a single person here has said stuff like this
now, there are some people who have something called MEF - masochistic emasculation fetish - and those could be considered misogynistic, even if they don't necessarily always intend to be. most people here agree they're not legitimately trans
Ok I can admit its unclear for transwomen themselves to describes the phenomenological experience they have with dysphoria and gender identification. I also know that's there is a lot of pressure for us to have a convicing narrative to our distress. It's very hard when there's no scientific researches and little proof to what we feel. Also psychiatrisation and normativity are on the corner, it's very complicated. But even if you have an illness of some sort it shouldnt be a reason to gatekeep transition to anyone?
Well sometimes I feel like I'm an autistic girl surronded by males who believe they are too but in reality not (self diagnose) and invading our already fragmented and very small space.
what if I’m a boymoder and don’t crossdress, just take HRT to alleviate dysphoria, and occasionally happen to get gendered female just walking around in jeans and a hoodie?
You're lost and should try yourself together boi
i don’t want to be a “crossdressing male with a fetish”, im not gonna wear women’s clothes in case it gives me a boner
what about the millions of trans people who get genital surgery which makes them at least intersex.. like why do chromosomes matter if we can still look very closely to the cross sex. it’s not just social
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im agp and ive never gotten an euphoria boner am i faketrans? 🙁
The whole “Gender Euphoria” shit is creepy as fuck, and puts the lie to the concept that these people are truly the gender they choose. Women are not “Euphoric” about being women. Men are not “Euphoric” about being men. Their gender is the baseline on which the rest of their lives and identities are built on. If your little peepee is getting hard because you put on panties, you aren’t a girl, you are just a fucking creep.
>Women are not “Euphoric” about being women. Men are not “Euphoric” about being men.
Cis people are constantly affirmed by society of their gender, trans people are not.
Cis people aren't constantly turned on.
Well nothing affirms my girlhood more than my turgid cock poking out of my teddy bear panties.
This. The trans experience is inherently different from the cis experience so there's going to be differences in how they react to things. An example that even cis people can understand is the differences in how different genders react to sexual attention. Women are constantly barraged by men trying to have sex with them so they've become numb to it. Meanwhile for men, every time a girl wants to fuck them its a special thing. Why is that? It's because it happens all the time for one group and it never happens to the other. So naturally, the response to the same stimuli is going to be fucking different. Its such a basic concept.
Nice cope lmao
>i get boners because nobody treated me like a girl before teehee
You believe in gender ideology. They are not affirmed are not trying to copy their sex as much as we do with the other sex.
People with sight aren't elated by seeing, blind people tend to be pretty amazed when they do it. Don't fully disagree with you but bad analogy
I get what you are getting at. I think that “euphoria” that a blind person would have upon seeing is not what’s being described in the OP. This sexualize “euphoria” is just fetish shit.
What I'm saying is you can't expect normal reactions from abnormal situations. Half the fucking issue people have with trans people is that we've gotta go through horrible bizarre body/psychological horror shit and were expected to be well adjusted and normal the whole time
It's semantic/linguistic debate at this point. Just like people could say they "identifies" as a right handed person
I don't think a blind dude would get a boner after getting a surgery to let them see.
It's a man who wants to be female so ofc
>The whole “Gender Euphoria” shit is creepy as fuck, and puts the lie to the concept that these people are truly the gender they choose. Women are not “Euphoric” about being women. Men are not “Euphoric” about being men. Their gender is the baseline on which the rest of their lives and identities are built on. If your little peepee is getting hard because you put on panties, you aren’t a girl, you are just a fucking creep.
huh? I'm cis but this seems completely normal. if you've been treated as a guy/girl all your life and you've wanted nothing more than to be treated as the opposite, of course you'll feel especially happy when it begins to happen to you
I've been misgendered because I'm a cispooner and I've felt dysphoria from that, honestly. and it's not hard to understand trans people's experiences even without that
Okay but I've never seen a cis guy get a boner just from being happy in a non-sexual situation
yes, sorry, by gender euphoria I meant the actual original definition of gender euphoria
"euphoria boner" is some new thing claiming "that boner is just due to gender euphoria". I'm not saying that at all. that's probably a mixture of gender euphoria and either autogynephilia or some other kind of sexual thing
the meme has metastasized to the point that now some people even use just the term "euphoria" to imply erections or arousals, which makes discussions like these annoying since it's always a dialogue tree like this
though it's kind of my bad for not reading the last sentence of your post
Once in a blue moon I get a bit of a boner doing something new and I wanna kill myself every time and it fucking haunts me for the rest of the week I seriously don't get how these people can stand getting one more than incidentally and then be fucking happy about it seriously what is wrong with them how are they even alive I would have hung myself a million times over in their shoes
if you get them you arent better than them no matter how little or how much you get it
you realize that right
Hey you can stop trying to kick me while I'm down I already said it makes me wanna kms you don't have to rub it in tyvm
the point is that throwing other people under the bus to make yourself feel better when you yourself admit to being the same is retarded and you should feel like a coward
That's not what I was doing tho? I just genuinely don't understand these people like good for them but I hate myself for being anything like them. I don't see how admitting that is throwing them under the bus
it's not black and white
it's not always AGP trans and HSTS trans
people can be both, more pending to one side than the other, just as cis people are vastly different, why force these stereotypes?
I got boners the first 3 times I wore woman clothing, and then it never happened again
Is it still a fetish?
It means you have AGP but aren't very attractive, even by your own standards.
I have taken pictures of myself in which I thought I looked really hot, but I didn't get a boner over it or actual sexual excitement over it, I just felt happy
Both sex are capable of detecting sexyness in each other even if we are not androphile or gynephile. That's why women are jealous of the hot ones. We detect who in our sex group is hot even when we are not attracted to them.
who cares
>women aren't allowed to be aroused
Wow. Just wow guys.
Male arousal is neurobiologicaly very different from the female one. It correspond to evolved constraints and reproduction like it or not.
I don't like it so I don't believe you 😀
>cis male
>never have gotten a boner when feeling happiness or excitement
i only understand this for wearing hyperfeminine and or revealing clothing but even then
and it especially shouldn't happen after like first two days or whatever
Parts*
Both are valid
We should just femtrain AGPs but the thing is they like being malebrained
they have a sadomasochistic relationship with their trans identity
How can they pretend they are women and invade females spaces if they are basically men in dresses. At least hsts are convicing even if no one can change sex, at this point we just stop doing segregated bathrooms by sex
Get*
>it's a fetish
gender is nature's way to direct peepee to pussy
by that definition everything surrounding it is a fetish
Ofc you'll never accept the fact that you are weird men, not feminine at all, you tries to force yourself in their spaces. You'll never win.
Straight men are used to being abusive and believing the world belongs to them. You're not making any exception
I have a hard truth for you all
You can be hsts or AGPs,Women are born,our most precious goddesses
Being gay and trooning out is rational to the general public because we act femininly while agps are mostly very male brained and that's not just trauma or from repping. Everyone is scared of hon for a reason. Your male energy is undeniable and there's nothing you can do about what you are. It's not about socialisation.
Under blanchard's definition I wouldn't be hsts. So according to you I have male energy huh? Well fyi I got physically and emotionally abused by my dad becauae I didn't have that male energy. You are trying to deny my life's experiences without even realising it just to make yourself feel more valid. Good for you, you get to feel good about yourself, but at the end of the day you are full of it
that one has to be one of that saddest creatures I've ever seen on this board
literally a chudcel with long hair and an extra chromossome
It's not because you were not the manliest boy that you were a litteral homosexual loving barbie and being a lana del Rey hardcore fan like most hsts were. I don't doubt you have dysphoria and there's probably variations from culture/families that leads to different personnalities according to content and contextes. Though humans are mostly biased by perception and if you give the best/most female vibe in fonction of prior beliefs/experience they will see you as legit and naturally feminine.
>loving barbie
Funny, that. I got bullied over liking barbie without even having any. Just having anything remotely similar (fucking Bionicles of all things) would get me comments about those things being barbies with that accusatory undertone. Really takes me back
James Charles will forever be more legit to be troon even if he don't have dysphoria than Lia thomas. As an example.
Idk when I do something female for the first time, this shit happens and I feel like a gross creep for a week. Then it never happens for that thing again. I hate it, especially cuz I definitely feel dysphoric but idk this shit just makes me a fetishist in reality. It doesn't even feel hot, it just feels weird and then gross not like a normal boner from seeing naked people or reading something erotic. I hate being AGP so much. So if I don't use it as cope but idk it doesn't feel like normal arousal so it's weird but I still accept I'm just a fetishist
Same tbdesu, it just kinda happens without my brain being aroused but clearly some part of me is and I want to kill that part of me but I don't know how to
Yeah i don't find it arousing in my brain or whatever which honestly is kinda lame cuz at least if it was like hot I could have a good time out of it
No I just don't enjoy it, idk why I'd go so far as to admit this and call myself a fetishist but then still think I'm a solvable. My plan is just troon to get rid of the boners and be a normal tranny, cuz like I said I feel nothing in my brain. I just don't enjoy it idk and since starting E it's pretty much stopped and it's nice but I'll always know what I was like and how my body reacted
if you accept it you should be enjoying it
i dont think you accept it yet
instead are DESPERATE for an answer to absolve yourself of it, but know deep down it doesnt exist