Benjamin Franklin decrypted Rev. 12-13 whilst in England in the 1700s
Sir Isaac Newton in his "Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel
and the Apocalypse of St. John" re-named Two (2) Ol' Metrologists
____________________________
IOHN: "seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns"
https://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/12.htm
seven heads (.0000000), six-one-six (.616), ten horns (x 10),
and seven crowns (^-7), and Metrologist (cm^3/g-s^2) tale.
gravitation G, the Letter of God, the mark.
gravitation John, the Word of God, the name.
gravitation G on!, the Sentence of God, the image.
gravitation .616 x 10^-7, the Wisdom of God, the number.
G = .616 x 10^-7 cm^3/g-s^2
World 1st G measurement.
Definitions original "cgs"
IESUS: "seven heads, ten horns, and ten crowns"
https://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/13.htm
seven heads (.0000000), six-six-six (666.), ten horns (x 10),
and ten crowns (^-10), and Metrologist (cm^3/g-s^2) tale.
gravitation G, the Letter of God, the mark.
gravitation Jesus, the Word of God, the name.
gravitation G's us!, the Sentence of God, the image.
gravitation 666. x 10^-10, the Wisdom of God, the number.
G = 666. x 10^-10 cm^3/g-s^2
World 2nd G measurement.
Definitions original "cgs"
____________________________
G = 2/c, c = 2/G, 2 = G*c (natural units)
IOHN John and IESUS Jesus
just Two (2) Ol' Metrologists
Benjamin Franklin decrypted Rev. 12-13 whilst in England in the 1700s
Sir Isaac Newton in his "Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel
and the Apocalypse of St. John" re-named Two (2) Ol' Metrologists
____________________________
IOHN: "seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns"
https://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/12.htm
seven heads (.0000000), six-one-six (.616), ten horns (x 10),
and seven crowns (^-7), and Metrologist (cm^3/g-s^2) tale.
gravitation G, the Letter of God, the mark.
gravitation John, the Word of God, the name.
gravitation G on!, the Sentence of God, the image.
gravitation .616 x 10^-7, the Wisdom of God, the number.
G = .616 x 10^-7 cm^3/g-s^2
World 1st G measurement.
Definitions original "cgs"
IESUS: "seven heads, ten horns, and ten crowns"
https://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/13.htm
seven heads (.0000000), six-six-six (666.), ten horns (x 10),
and ten crowns (^-10), and Metrologist (cm^3/g-s^2) tale.
gravitation G, the Letter of God, the mark.
gravitation Jesus, the Word of God, the name.
gravitation G's us!, the Sentence of God, the image.
gravitation 666. x 10^-10, the Wisdom of God, the number.
G = 666. x 10^-10 cm^3/g-s^2
World 2nd G measurement.
Definitions original "cgs"
____________________________
G = 2/c, c = 2/G, 2 = G*c (natural units)
IOHN John and IESUS Jesus
just Two (2) Ol' Metrologists
[...]
Wicca is that planet's oldest religion. Newton is a Wiccan, laws are 3's
1. Every object moves in a straight line unless acted upon by a force.
2. The acceleration of an object is directly proportional to the net force exerted and inversely proportional to the object's mass.
3. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Jehovah's Witnesses is a millenarian restorationist Christian denomination with nontrinitarian beliefs distinct from mainstream Christianity. The group reports a worldwide membership of approximately 8.7 million adherents involved in evangelism and an annual Memorial attendance of over 21 million. Jehovah's Witnesses are directed by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, a group of elders in Warwick, New York, United States, which establishes all doctrines based on its interpretations of the Bible. They believe that the destruction of the present world system at Armageddon is imminent, and that the establishment of God's kingdom over the earth is the only solution for all problems faced by humanity. The group emerged from the Bible Student movement founded in the late 1870s by Charles Taze Russell, who also co-founded Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society in 1881 to organize and print the movement's publications. A leadership dispute after Russell's death resulted in several groups breaking away, with Joseph Franklin Rutherford retaining control of the Watch Tower Society and its properties. Rutherford made significant organizational and doctrinal changes, including adoption of the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931 to distinguish them from other Bible Student groups and symbolize a break with the legacy of Russell's traditions.
Isaac Newton was born on Christmas Day in 1642 and died on the 20th day of March in 1726, so no.
not all arians are JW. to be a JW you also have to be exceptionally stupid. it's a requirement.
Many JWs are scientists, doctors, lawyers and scholars
Are they stupid too ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
In fact the vast majority of JWs do not hold college degrees of any sort, not that having a higher education precludes holding stupid beliefs.
Its not a lie in the sense you do not believe it to be a lie, in the same way Muslims are not lying when they say Jesus was a Muslim, they really believe that. Its just that your belief is so absurd you should know it isn't true.
2 years ago
Anonymous
JWs are famous for always telling the truth
Are the JWs that are scientists, doctors, lawyers and scholars stupid too ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Are the JWs that are scientists, doctors, lawyers and scholars stupid too ?
Not necessarily, though believing it is not a point in their favor.
>In classical rhetoric and logic, begging the question or assuming the conclusion (Latin: petitio principii)
The conclusion I reached is because I have studied the evidence and the evidence shows that Christianity is true
Why is it a bad thing ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
hence, ignorance is bliss.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What am I ignoring ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not him, but pretty much the entire academic consensus on the history and theology of early Christianity and the Old Testament. Reading some books from mainstream critical scholars would be a good place to start.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I did read a lot of books on christianity
What am I missing ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I said books by crucial scholars, that is academics who study the bible from an agnostic (not knowing what is true or false) perspective.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Have you studied books written from a Christian perspective ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes.
>In classical rhetoric and logic, begging the question or assuming the conclusion (Latin: petitio principii)
The conclusion I reached is because I have studied the evidence and the evidence shows that Christianity is true
Why is it a bad thing ?
Because in debate you do not simply state that something is true, and you do not ask a question that assumes an answer that you haven't convinced the other party of. >Why is believing in the truth a bad thing ?
Example, I do not think it is true, so this question is invalid. The proper way to phrase it would be: >Why is believing in the Jehovah's Witnesses a bad thing?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yes.
Which one ?
>Because in debate you do not simply state that something is true, and you do not ask a question that assumes an answer that you haven't convinced the other party of.
Do you want to be shown why christianity is true ?
>Example, I do not think it is true,
Why ?
>Why is believing in the Jehovah's Witnesses a bad thing?
What is one thing that I believe that is a bad thing ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Are they stupid too ?
yes. anyone believing any variant of abrahamism or indeed almost any sort of god is stupid by definition.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Proof ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
low effort trolling is low effort.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"You're stoopid if you belive in god !" >Can you back up your claim ?
>"Y-You're a Trolll!!!"
During and after the English civil war (1642-1651) many dissenting Christian groups emerged, including the Seekers and others. A young man, George Fox, was dissatisfied with the teachings of the Church of England and nonconformists. He claimed to have received a revelation that "there is one, even Christ Jesus, who can speak to thy condition", and became convinced that it was possible to have a direct experience of Christ without the aid of ordained clergy. In 1652 he had a vision on Pendle Hill in Lancashire, England, in which he believed that "the Lord let me see in what places he had a great people to be gathered". Following this he travelled around England, the Netherlands, and Barbados preaching and teaching with the aim of converting new adherents to his faith. The central theme of his Gospel message was that Christ has come to teach his people himself. Fox considered himself to be restoring a true, "pure" Christian church. In 1650, Fox was brought before the magistrates Gervase Bennet and Nathaniel Barton, on a charge of religious blasphemy. According to Fox's autobiography, Bennet "was the first that called us Quakers, because I bade them tremble at the word of the Lord". It is thought that Fox was referring to Isaiah 66:2 or Ezra 9:4. Thus the name Quaker began as a way of ridiculing Fox's admonition, but became widely accepted and used by some Quakers. Religious Society of Friends also described themselves using terms such as true Christianity, Saints, Children of the Light, and Friends of the Truth, reflecting terms used in the New Testament by members of the early Christian church.
Wicca is that planet's oldest religion. Newton is a Wiccan, laws are 3's
1. Every object moves in a straight line unless acted upon by a force.
2. The acceleration of an object is directly proportional to the net force exerted and inversely proportional to the object's mass.
3. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
There's some more concern trolling, are you a bot?
Bide the Wiccan Laws we must In Perfect Love and Perfect Trust.
Live and let live. Fairly take and fairly give.
Cast the Circle thrice about to keep the evil spirits out.
To bind the spell every time let the spell be spake in rhyme.
Soft of eye and light of touch, Speak little, listen much.
Deosil go by the waxing moon, chanting out the Witches' Rune.
Widdershins go by the waning moon, chanting out the baneful rune.
When the Lady's moon is new, kiss the hand to her, times two.
When the moon rides at her peak, then your hearts desire seek.
Heed the North wind's mighty gale, lock the door and drop the sail.
When the wind comes from the South, love will kiss thee on the mouth.
When the wind blows from the West, departed souls will have no rest.
When the wind blows from the East, expect the new and set the feast.
Nine woods in the cauldron go, burn them fast and burn them slow.
Elder be the Lady's tree, burn it not or cursed you'll be.
When the Wheel begins to turn, let the Beltane fires burn.
When the Wheel has turned to Yule, light the log and the Horned One rules.
Heed ye flower, Bush and Tree, by the Lady, blessed be.
Where the rippling waters go, cast a stone and truth you'll know.
When ye have a true need, hearken not to others' greed.
With a fool no season spend, lest ye be counted as his friend.
Merry meet and merry part, bright the cheeks and warm the heart.
Mind the Threefold Law you should, three times bad and three times good.
When misfortune is enow, wear the blue star on thy brow.
True in love ever be, lest thy lover's false to thee.
Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill: An ye harm none, do what ye will.
Its more than one, I grew up Christian and read literally dozens of books on it, mostly textbooks, but occasionally I look at primary sources on history and theology. >Do you want to be shown why Christianity is true ?
I'm in your stupid thread, though given your track record you have yet to convince me. >Why ?
Well we can start with the fact I don't believe in a personal God and have seen nothing to convince me there is one. Of course even if convinced of that you would have to convince me that "Jehovah" isn't an adaption of a early iron age deity from the Canaanite pantheon. Then you would have to convince me the events in the Old Testament literally happened, which they did not. Then you would have to convince me that Jesus and St. Micheal are the same being, or that anyone in the 1st century believed that. Then you would have to convince me that the governing body is a legitimate representative of God today. So if you want to do all that you have your work cut out for you. Also I do not like links without the key quotes posted with them. >>Why is believing in the Jehovah's Witnesses a bad thing?
Aside from being wrong, the organization puts to many controls on how members behave in there private lives.
>Because in debate you do not simply state that something is true, and you do not ask a question that assumes an answer that you haven't convinced the other party of.
Do you want to be shown why christianity is true ?
>Example, I do not think it is true,
Why ?
>Why is believing in the Jehovah's Witnesses a bad thing?
What is one thing that I believe that is a bad thing ?
>Its more than one, I grew up Christian and read literally dozens of books on it, mostly textbooks, but occasionally I look at primary sources on history and theology.
when I asked if you have studied a publication written from a Christian perspective I meant have you studied one published by JWs
Have you ?
>I'm in your stupid thread, though given your track record you have yet to convince me.
Do you want to study the Bible with a JW in your area ?
>Well we can start with the fact I don't believe in a personal God and have seen nothing to convince me there is one
What about the fine tuning of the universe ?
Only a purposefully designed universe would be like this
>Of course even if convinced of that you would have to convince me that "Jehovah" isn't an adaption of a early iron age deity from the Canaanite pantheon
Canaanites didn't worship Jehovah
>Then you would have to convince me the events in the Old Testament literally happened, which they did not
Why not ?
>Then you would have to convince me that Jesus and St. Micheal are the same being, or that anyone in the 1st century believed that
The Bible implies so
>Then you would have to convince me that the governing body is a legitimate representative of God today.
We are a united worldwide family with no political, racial or nationalistic divisions !
Nonother organization in the world is like this, it's a miracle !
>So if you want to do all that you have your work cut out for you
If you want a JW to visit you, you can request it here !
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/contact/
>Also I do not like links without the key quotes posted with them.
Which links ?
>Aside from being wrong,
What's wrong about my beliefs ?
>the organization puts to many controls on how members behave in there private lives.
The Bible decides how we behave, why is it a bad thing ?
Christians live a life that is peaceful towards each other and towards non-christians, and we base our beliefs on solid evidence and not on the teachings of a man !
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's some more concern trolling, are you a bot?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ad hominem will get you nowhere
>Homoosion is a term invented at the council of Nicea
That is objectively historically false >It says he rejected their conclusion, not the biblical authority
No, it says he rejected the authority of the bible to teach something which fits neatly into human reason
>No, it says he rejected the authority of the bible to teach something which fits neatly into human reason
It literally says he respects the writings of John and that his teachings must be understand in a way that makes good sense
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It literally says he respects the writings of John and that his teachings must be understand in a way that makes good sense
Right, and that's the same thing as subjugating the authority of scripture to the authority of human reason
>when I asked if you have studied a publication written from a Christian perspective I meant have you studied one published by JWs
You probably should have said that then, rather than use a word you know has a general meaning different from how you specifically use it. Some might accuse you of arguing in bad faith doing things like that.
No, but I am thinking about it. >Do you want to study the Bible with a JW in your area ?
Am I allowed to try and deconvert them at the same time they try to convert me? Cause that sounds kind of fun. >What about the fine tuning of the universe ?
Only a purposefully designed universe would be like this
Apoor argument but I said a "personal God" I never completely discounted the possibly of a God.
Canaanites didn't worship Jehovah
Of course not, Jehovah isnt even how you pronounce his name, of which the bible gives several. >Why not ?
You know people who lived back them kept records right? Those records do not agree with large parts of the bible. >The Bible implies so
Strange then, that they never mentioned it in any of their theological books, letters,or tomb inscriptions of which we have hundreds. >, it's a miracle !
Are you trolling me? >The Bible decides how we behave, why is it a bad thing ?
Well its psychologically damaging to cut off contact with family, so that's bad. I mean you believe God commands it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt the people involved.
>Am I allowed to try and deconvert them at the same time they try to convert me? Cause that sounds kind of fun.
If you are not interested in the biblical message then there's no point in asking for a visit
>Apoor argument but I said a "personal God" I never completely discounted the possibly of a God.
I don't think it's a poor argument
The existence of an orderly universe containing life points to a Creator !
The Bible says:
“Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God.” (Hebrews 3:4)
>Of course not, Jehovah isnt even how you pronounce his name, of which the bible gives several.
That's how you say the tetragrammaton in english
>Strange then, that they never mentioned it in any of their theological books, letters,or tomb inscriptions of which we have hundreds.
Why would they ? It's not very important
A JW can go to paradise even without knowing this information
>Are you trolling me?
You have to see JWs for yourself if you don't believe me
>Well its psychologically damaging to cut off contact with family, so that's bad
When did we cut off contact with family ?
>I mean you believe God commands it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt the people involved.
When did God command to cut off contact with family ?
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Anonymous
>May I recommend one to you ?
Sure! as long as its free online and won't be discarded in the next few years as "New Light" emerges. >If you are not interested in the biblical message then there's no point in asking for a visit.
Not interested in one way conversations. If I can't challenge your ideas than your ideas are not worth hearing. >Why would they ? It's not very important
Well, funny thing, we have lots of those that say they thought Jesus was divine. >I don't think it's a poor argument
Well I told you, I never completely discounted the possibility of a deity just not a personal God. Do you understand the difference? An impersonal God can create the universe but doesn't talk to you. >When did we cut off contact with family ?
Are you saying you would keep in contact with a family member who left the Church?
>and won't be discarded in the next few years as "New Light" emerges
But that's a good thing. Increased bible understanding makes me exited everytime !
The Bible is very dense. We can't understand it in one go. There are things that we dont' at present understand, but as time goes the holy spirit can help us discern the more difficult parts of the Bible !
>Not interested in one way conversations. If I can't challenge your ideas than your ideas are not worth hearing.
Well Jehovah only attracts those who have a sincere heart to him, so if you have no interest in knowing the truth then it is pointless sinnce God won't help you
>Well, funny thing, we have lots of those that say they thought Jesus was divine.
He is, what about it ?
>Well I told you, I never completely discounted the possibility of a deity just not a personal God. Do you understand the difference? An impersonal God can create the universe but doesn't talk to you.
God left us the Bible so that we can come to know him and communicate with him !
>Are you saying you would keep in contact with a family member who left the Church?
If they decided to leave then they are the ones who cut contact then, not us !
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Anonymous
>And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart >out of that board, website, house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
How many times must you be banned before you graciously leave?
According to that pic he rejected the Trinity because he rejected the supreme authority of scripture, subjecting it to the authority of human reason, which is also a tacit admission that the bible teaches the Trinity
Of course Jesus is divine. He is a mighty spirit in heaven.
But he is not Gof Almighty.
According to that pic he rejected the Trinity because he rejected the supreme authority of scripture, subjecting it to the authority of human reason, which is also a tacit admission that the bible teaches the Trinity
Homoosion is a term invented at the council of Nicea. It says he rejected their conclusion, not the biblical authority
>Homoosion is a term invented at the council of Nicea
That is objectively historically false >It says he rejected their conclusion, not the biblical authority
No, it says he rejected the authority of the bible to teach something which fits neatly into human reason
2 years ago
Anonymous
>That is objectively historically false
« "Accordingly, they [Constantine and Hosius primarily] took another baptismal creed, of much the same type as Eusebius's, and altered its text to serve their purpose, in the process creating a new, non-liturgical type of confession. .... In the text itself, they inserted the significant expressions 'true God from true God,' 'begotten not made,' 'from the substance [ousia] of the Father,' and - most important of all, as it turned out - 'of one substance [homoousios] with the Father.' .... From the very beginning, however, people like Eusebius of Caesarea had doubts about the creed, doubts that focused on the word homoousios. This was, to be sure, a vague and non-technical term which was capable of a fairly wide range of senses. [According to historian Gibbon it was a mysterious term "which either party was free to interpret according to their peculiar tenets." - p. 686, vol. 1, Random House.] It could in principle be taken to mean exact sameness of being, but it could also be taken to suggest no more than a significant degree of similarity between Father and Son [Origen, in fact, used the term to show merely a 'unity of will' between the Father and the Son [88] - p. 46, Lohse.] - which, of course, everyone was glad to affirm. On the other hand, the term was non-Scriptural, it had very doubtful theological history, and it was open to what, from Eusebius' point of view, were some dangerous misinterpretations indeed [including the one that was finally adopted and enforced by the Roman Church]." --- The trinitarians, however, assured Eusebius (and the large majority of other Bishops opposed to them) that homoousios in this new creed would not be interpreted in the way they feared.[105] » - pp. 134, 135, Williston Walker, A History of the Christian Church, 4th ed., Scribners, 1985.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Historically the term "homoousian" was used by the Sabellian heretics in the century before Nicaea to express the idea that the Father and Son were identical, the appropriation of this term by Nicaea is mainly why there was hesitancy even among the orthodox bishops to adopt it.
schizophrenic? ya
Spinoza had already BTFOed the Bible. Newton should have stopped interpreting it and realized it's just bullshit.
Benjamin Franklin decrypted Rev. 12-13 whilst in England in the 1700s
Sir Isaac Newton in his "Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel
and the Apocalypse of St. John" re-named Two (2) Ol' Metrologists
____________________________
IOHN: "seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns"
https://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/12.htm
seven heads (.0000000), six-one-six (.616), ten horns (x 10),
and seven crowns (^-7), and Metrologist (cm^3/g-s^2) tale.
gravitation G, the Letter of God, the mark.
gravitation John, the Word of God, the name.
gravitation G on!, the Sentence of God, the image.
gravitation .616 x 10^-7, the Wisdom of God, the number.
G = .616 x 10^-7 cm^3/g-s^2
World 1st G measurement.
Definitions original "cgs"
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611-Bible/search.php?word=Iohn
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611-Bible/search.php?word=Iesus
IESUS: "seven heads, ten horns, and ten crowns"
https://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/13.htm
seven heads (.0000000), six-six-six (666.), ten horns (x 10),
and ten crowns (^-10), and Metrologist (cm^3/g-s^2) tale.
gravitation G, the Letter of God, the mark.
gravitation Jesus, the Word of God, the name.
gravitation G's us!, the Sentence of God, the image.
gravitation 666. x 10^-10, the Wisdom of God, the number.
G = 666. x 10^-10 cm^3/g-s^2
World 2nd G measurement.
Definitions original "cgs"
____________________________
G = 2/c, c = 2/G, 2 = G*c (natural units)
IOHN John and IESUS Jesus
just Two (2) Ol' Metrologists
Get out of my thread schizo
Another satisfied customer.
Benjamin Franklin, Chair
Newton was a Quaker actually.
Quakers believe in the trinity, so no
Jehovah's Witnesses is a millenarian restorationist Christian denomination with nontrinitarian beliefs distinct from mainstream Christianity. The group reports a worldwide membership of approximately 8.7 million adherents involved in evangelism and an annual Memorial attendance of over 21 million. Jehovah's Witnesses are directed by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, a group of elders in Warwick, New York, United States, which establishes all doctrines based on its interpretations of the Bible. They believe that the destruction of the present world system at Armageddon is imminent, and that the establishment of God's kingdom over the earth is the only solution for all problems faced by humanity. The group emerged from the Bible Student movement founded in the late 1870s by Charles Taze Russell, who also co-founded Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society in 1881 to organize and print the movement's publications. A leadership dispute after Russell's death resulted in several groups breaking away, with Joseph Franklin Rutherford retaining control of the Watch Tower Society and its properties. Rutherford made significant organizational and doctrinal changes, including adoption of the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931 to distinguish them from other Bible Student groups and symbolize a break with the legacy of Russell's traditions.
Isaac Newton was born on Christmas Day in 1642 and died on the 20th day of March in 1726, so no.
JWs exist since the 1st century actually
this is a lie.
It is not
Many JWs are scientists, doctors, lawyers and scholars
Are they stupid too ?
In fact the vast majority of JWs do not hold college degrees of any sort, not that having a higher education precludes holding stupid beliefs.
Its not a lie in the sense you do not believe it to be a lie, in the same way Muslims are not lying when they say Jesus was a Muslim, they really believe that. Its just that your belief is so absurd you should know it isn't true.
JWs are famous for always telling the truth
Are the JWs that are scientists, doctors, lawyers and scholars stupid too ?
>Are the JWs that are scientists, doctors, lawyers and scholars stupid too ?
Not necessarily, though believing it is not a point in their favor.
Why is believing in the truth a bad thing ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
>In classical rhetoric and logic, begging the question or assuming the conclusion (Latin: petitio principii)
The conclusion I reached is because I have studied the evidence and the evidence shows that Christianity is true
Why is it a bad thing ?
hence, ignorance is bliss.
What am I ignoring ?
Not him, but pretty much the entire academic consensus on the history and theology of early Christianity and the Old Testament. Reading some books from mainstream critical scholars would be a good place to start.
I did read a lot of books on christianity
What am I missing ?
I said books by crucial scholars, that is academics who study the bible from an agnostic (not knowing what is true or false) perspective.
Have you studied books written from a Christian perspective ?
Yes.
Because in debate you do not simply state that something is true, and you do not ask a question that assumes an answer that you haven't convinced the other party of.
>Why is believing in the truth a bad thing ?
Example, I do not think it is true, so this question is invalid. The proper way to phrase it would be:
>Why is believing in the Jehovah's Witnesses a bad thing?
>Yes.
Which one ?
>Because in debate you do not simply state that something is true, and you do not ask a question that assumes an answer that you haven't convinced the other party of.
Do you want to be shown why christianity is true ?
>Example, I do not think it is true,
Why ?
>Why is believing in the Jehovah's Witnesses a bad thing?
What is one thing that I believe that is a bad thing ?
>Are they stupid too ?
yes. anyone believing any variant of abrahamism or indeed almost any sort of god is stupid by definition.
Proof ?
low effort trolling is low effort.
>"You're stoopid if you belive in god !"
>Can you back up your claim ?
>"Y-You're a Trolll!!!"
sasuga
Religious Society of Friends
During and after the English civil war (1642-1651) many dissenting Christian groups emerged, including the Seekers and others. A young man, George Fox, was dissatisfied with the teachings of the Church of England and nonconformists. He claimed to have received a revelation that "there is one, even Christ Jesus, who can speak to thy condition", and became convinced that it was possible to have a direct experience of Christ without the aid of ordained clergy. In 1652 he had a vision on Pendle Hill in Lancashire, England, in which he believed that "the Lord let me see in what places he had a great people to be gathered". Following this he travelled around England, the Netherlands, and Barbados preaching and teaching with the aim of converting new adherents to his faith. The central theme of his Gospel message was that Christ has come to teach his people himself. Fox considered himself to be restoring a true, "pure" Christian church. In 1650, Fox was brought before the magistrates Gervase Bennet and Nathaniel Barton, on a charge of religious blasphemy. According to Fox's autobiography, Bennet "was the first that called us Quakers, because I bade them tremble at the word of the Lord". It is thought that Fox was referring to Isaiah 66:2 or Ezra 9:4. Thus the name Quaker began as a way of ridiculing Fox's admonition, but became widely accepted and used by some Quakers. Religious Society of Friends also described themselves using terms such as true Christianity, Saints, Children of the Light, and Friends of the Truth, reflecting terms used in the New Testament by members of the early Christian church.
Sir Isaac Newton, Chair
Wicca is that planet's oldest religion. Newton is a Wiccan, laws are 3's
1. Every object moves in a straight line unless acted upon by a force.
2. The acceleration of an object is directly proportional to the net force exerted and inversely proportional to the object's mass.
3. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Newton's Trinity laws of Motion are worshipped by World Physicists to this day. Newton discovered the Trinity for himself in 1666.
STOP RUINING MY THREAD WITH YOUR SCHIZO BABBLE
But your thread is shit to World Physicists because Newton discovered the Trinity.
/thread
Newton's obsession with his Alchemy
certainly proves that he was Wiccan.
Witchcraft
Bide the Wiccan Laws we must In Perfect Love and Perfect Trust.
Live and let live. Fairly take and fairly give.
Cast the Circle thrice about to keep the evil spirits out.
To bind the spell every time let the spell be spake in rhyme.
Soft of eye and light of touch, Speak little, listen much.
Deosil go by the waxing moon, chanting out the Witches' Rune.
Widdershins go by the waning moon, chanting out the baneful rune.
When the Lady's moon is new, kiss the hand to her, times two.
When the moon rides at her peak, then your hearts desire seek.
Heed the North wind's mighty gale, lock the door and drop the sail.
When the wind comes from the South, love will kiss thee on the mouth.
When the wind blows from the West, departed souls will have no rest.
When the wind blows from the East, expect the new and set the feast.
Nine woods in the cauldron go, burn them fast and burn them slow.
Elder be the Lady's tree, burn it not or cursed you'll be.
When the Wheel begins to turn, let the Beltane fires burn.
When the Wheel has turned to Yule, light the log and the Horned One rules.
Heed ye flower, Bush and Tree, by the Lady, blessed be.
Where the rippling waters go, cast a stone and truth you'll know.
When ye have a true need, hearken not to others' greed.
With a fool no season spend, lest ye be counted as his friend.
Merry meet and merry part, bright the cheeks and warm the heart.
Mind the Threefold Law you should, three times bad and three times good.
When misfortune is enow, wear the blue star on thy brow.
True in love ever be, lest thy lover's false to thee.
Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill: An ye harm none, do what ye will.
Newton was a moron
Newton was English actually.
JWs are infamous for lying.
not all arians are JW. to be a JW you also have to be exceptionally stupid. it's a requirement.
Its more than one, I grew up Christian and read literally dozens of books on it, mostly textbooks, but occasionally I look at primary sources on history and theology.
>Do you want to be shown why Christianity is true ?
I'm in your stupid thread, though given your track record you have yet to convince me.
>Why ?
Well we can start with the fact I don't believe in a personal God and have seen nothing to convince me there is one. Of course even if convinced of that you would have to convince me that "Jehovah" isn't an adaption of a early iron age deity from the Canaanite pantheon. Then you would have to convince me the events in the Old Testament literally happened, which they did not. Then you would have to convince me that Jesus and St. Micheal are the same being, or that anyone in the 1st century believed that. Then you would have to convince me that the governing body is a legitimate representative of God today. So if you want to do all that you have your work cut out for you. Also I do not like links without the key quotes posted with them.
>>Why is believing in the Jehovah's Witnesses a bad thing?
Aside from being wrong, the organization puts to many controls on how members behave in there private lives.
>Its more than one, I grew up Christian and read literally dozens of books on it, mostly textbooks, but occasionally I look at primary sources on history and theology.
when I asked if you have studied a publication written from a Christian perspective I meant have you studied one published by JWs
Have you ?
>I'm in your stupid thread, though given your track record you have yet to convince me.
Do you want to study the Bible with a JW in your area ?
>Well we can start with the fact I don't believe in a personal God and have seen nothing to convince me there is one
What about the fine tuning of the universe ?
Only a purposefully designed universe would be like this
>Of course even if convinced of that you would have to convince me that "Jehovah" isn't an adaption of a early iron age deity from the Canaanite pantheon
Canaanites didn't worship Jehovah
>Then you would have to convince me the events in the Old Testament literally happened, which they did not
Why not ?
>Then you would have to convince me that Jesus and St. Micheal are the same being, or that anyone in the 1st century believed that
The Bible implies so
>Then you would have to convince me that the governing body is a legitimate representative of God today.
We are a united worldwide family with no political, racial or nationalistic divisions !
Nonother organization in the world is like this, it's a miracle !
>So if you want to do all that you have your work cut out for you
If you want a JW to visit you, you can request it here !
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/contact/
>Also I do not like links without the key quotes posted with them.
Which links ?
>Aside from being wrong,
What's wrong about my beliefs ?
>the organization puts to many controls on how members behave in there private lives.
The Bible decides how we behave, why is it a bad thing ?
Does this deranged cultist have any rhetorical techniques besides concern trolling?
How are JWs a cult ?
Cults are dangerous and manipulative
Christians live a life that is peaceful towards each other and towards non-christians, and we base our beliefs on solid evidence and not on the teachings of a man !
There's some more concern trolling, are you a bot?
Ad hominem will get you nowhere
>No, it says he rejected the authority of the bible to teach something which fits neatly into human reason
It literally says he respects the writings of John and that his teachings must be understand in a way that makes good sense
>It literally says he respects the writings of John and that his teachings must be understand in a way that makes good sense
Right, and that's the same thing as subjugating the authority of scripture to the authority of human reason
>God intended the Bible to be read by humans
Ok ?
>when I asked if you have studied a publication written from a Christian perspective I meant have you studied one published by JWs
You probably should have said that then, rather than use a word you know has a general meaning different from how you specifically use it. Some might accuse you of arguing in bad faith doing things like that.
No, but I am thinking about it.
>Do you want to study the Bible with a JW in your area ?
Am I allowed to try and deconvert them at the same time they try to convert me? Cause that sounds kind of fun.
>What about the fine tuning of the universe ?
Only a purposefully designed universe would be like this
Apoor argument but I said a "personal God" I never completely discounted the possibly of a God.
Canaanites didn't worship Jehovah
Of course not, Jehovah isnt even how you pronounce his name, of which the bible gives several.
>Why not ?
You know people who lived back them kept records right? Those records do not agree with large parts of the bible.
>The Bible implies so
Strange then, that they never mentioned it in any of their theological books, letters,or tomb inscriptions of which we have hundreds.
>, it's a miracle !
Are you trolling me?
>The Bible decides how we behave, why is it a bad thing ?
Well its psychologically damaging to cut off contact with family, so that's bad. I mean you believe God commands it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt the people involved.
>No, but I am thinking about it.
May I recommend one to you ?
>Am I allowed to try and deconvert them at the same time they try to convert me? Cause that sounds kind of fun.
If you are not interested in the biblical message then there's no point in asking for a visit
>Apoor argument but I said a "personal God" I never completely discounted the possibly of a God.
I don't think it's a poor argument
The existence of an orderly universe containing life points to a Creator !
The Bible says:
“Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God.” (Hebrews 3:4)
>Of course not, Jehovah isnt even how you pronounce his name, of which the bible gives several.
That's how you say the tetragrammaton in english
>Strange then, that they never mentioned it in any of their theological books, letters,or tomb inscriptions of which we have hundreds.
Why would they ? It's not very important
A JW can go to paradise even without knowing this information
>Are you trolling me?
You have to see JWs for yourself if you don't believe me
>Well its psychologically damaging to cut off contact with family, so that's bad
When did we cut off contact with family ?
>I mean you believe God commands it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt the people involved.
When did God command to cut off contact with family ?
>May I recommend one to you ?
Sure! as long as its free online and won't be discarded in the next few years as "New Light" emerges.
>If you are not interested in the biblical message then there's no point in asking for a visit.
Not interested in one way conversations. If I can't challenge your ideas than your ideas are not worth hearing.
>Why would they ? It's not very important
Well, funny thing, we have lots of those that say they thought Jesus was divine.
>I don't think it's a poor argument
Well I told you, I never completely discounted the possibility of a deity just not a personal God. Do you understand the difference? An impersonal God can create the universe but doesn't talk to you.
>When did we cut off contact with family ?
Are you saying you would keep in contact with a family member who left the Church?
But then I can't watch them vomit.
>Sure! as long as its free online
Here you go !
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/lasting-peace-and-happiness/introduction/
>and won't be discarded in the next few years as "New Light" emerges
But that's a good thing. Increased bible understanding makes me exited everytime !
The Bible is very dense. We can't understand it in one go. There are things that we dont' at present understand, but as time goes the holy spirit can help us discern the more difficult parts of the Bible !
>Not interested in one way conversations. If I can't challenge your ideas than your ideas are not worth hearing.
Well Jehovah only attracts those who have a sincere heart to him, so if you have no interest in knowing the truth then it is pointless sinnce God won't help you
>Well, funny thing, we have lots of those that say they thought Jesus was divine.
He is, what about it ?
>Well I told you, I never completely discounted the possibility of a deity just not a personal God. Do you understand the difference? An impersonal God can create the universe but doesn't talk to you.
God left us the Bible so that we can come to know him and communicate with him !
>Are you saying you would keep in contact with a family member who left the Church?
If they decided to leave then they are the ones who cut contact then, not us !
>And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart
>out of that board, website, house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
How many times must you be banned before you graciously leave?
Do not feed the trolls.
According to that pic he rejected the Trinity because he rejected the supreme authority of scripture, subjecting it to the authority of human reason, which is also a tacit admission that the bible teaches the Trinity
Personally I think all the clear references to the trinity in the bible are interpolations, but the bible certainly does teach the divinity of Jesus.
What do you mean by clear references to the Trinity and what do you mean by the divinity of Jesus?
Of course Jesus is divine. He is a mighty spirit in heaven.
But he is not Gof Almighty.
Homoosion is a term invented at the council of Nicea. It says he rejected their conclusion, not the biblical authority
>Homoosion is a term invented at the council of Nicea
That is objectively historically false
>It says he rejected their conclusion, not the biblical authority
No, it says he rejected the authority of the bible to teach something which fits neatly into human reason
>That is objectively historically false
« "Accordingly, they [Constantine and Hosius primarily] took another baptismal creed, of much the same type as Eusebius's, and altered its text to serve their purpose, in the process creating a new, non-liturgical type of confession. .... In the text itself, they inserted the significant expressions 'true God from true God,' 'begotten not made,' 'from the substance [ousia] of the Father,' and - most important of all, as it turned out - 'of one substance [homoousios] with the Father.' .... From the very beginning, however, people like Eusebius of Caesarea had doubts about the creed, doubts that focused on the word homoousios. This was, to be sure, a vague and non-technical term which was capable of a fairly wide range of senses. [According to historian Gibbon it was a mysterious term "which either party was free to interpret according to their peculiar tenets." - p. 686, vol. 1, Random House.] It could in principle be taken to mean exact sameness of being, but it could also be taken to suggest no more than a significant degree of similarity between Father and Son [Origen, in fact, used the term to show merely a 'unity of will' between the Father and the Son [88] - p. 46, Lohse.] - which, of course, everyone was glad to affirm. On the other hand, the term was non-Scriptural, it had very doubtful theological history, and it was open to what, from Eusebius' point of view, were some dangerous misinterpretations indeed [including the one that was finally adopted and enforced by the Roman Church]." --- The trinitarians, however, assured Eusebius (and the large majority of other Bishops opposed to them) that homoousios in this new creed would not be interpreted in the way they feared.[105] » - pp. 134, 135, Williston Walker, A History of the Christian Church, 4th ed., Scribners, 1985.
Historically the term "homoousian" was used by the Sabellian heretics in the century before Nicaea to express the idea that the Father and Son were identical, the appropriation of this term by Nicaea is mainly why there was hesitancy even among the orthodox bishops to adopt it.
If you say so
There was a strong current of biblical Unitarianism in England long before JW was made up by some ameritard.
Tehre were JWs before England even existed
moses was a jw. nay, adam, even.
post the rule 34
second
the schizo morons are following me around they are being mass murdered eugenocided globally atm for it
literal down syndrome lead different species 0% salvageable under npv
the schizobot is malfunctioning.