My 10year+ old laptop was dying from constant use so I went browsing for a new cheap one and noticed that most of them didn't have internal cd/dvd drives.
What happened?
My 10year+ old laptop was dying from constant use so I went browsing for a new cheap one and noticed that most of them didn't have internal cd/dv...
Cost cutting, making them smaller, they got damaged a lot faster than desktop drives, etc...
No one uses discs that much and they suck on the go, so if you use a disc maybe once every 6 months, it makes more sense to plug a external USB disc drive.
I'm more annoyed about having a desktop case with no bays on the front. I rip old discs for preservation purposes and having wires around for the external sucks ass
It really does suck ass, as the 5.25 bays can be used for a lot of things, and losing them entirely ironically makes the systems much less customizable. I was looking for a case for a new workstation build, and one of the few I found that balanced decent airflow with having some 5.25 bays was the Phantheks Enthoo Pro. I use archival grade DVDs for some critical backups, and don't want to use an external USB drive...the 5.25 bays are also useful for hotswap SATA caddies, and I've got a couple where I've mounted other esoteric gear, including a DAQ, tape drives, and an extra display.
> Also disks can decay faster than a usb drive.
If you're going to lie, you ought to tell something less obviously wrong than a statement like that.
You can still buy cases with drive bays if you seek them out.
https://www.amazon.com/Fractal-Design-ATX-Tower-FD-CA-Focus-BK-W/dp/B071SHFRTP/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3RA5YNV5XELJS&keywords=fractal+design+focus+g&qid=1684768411&sprefix=fractal+design+focu%2Caps%2C404&sr=8-1
>I'm more annoyed about having a desktop case with no bays on the front.
I'm amazed that this type of case ever became commonplace. If you're building a desktop, obviously space is not your prime consideration, otherwise you would've bought a laptop. So who was saying to himself: "I don't use an optical drive anymore, so I'll buy a case without those bays so my case can be 5 inches shallower"? That reasoning would spiral. You use an M.2 drive? Then you don't need space for SATA HDDs. Audio and WIFI built into the motherboard? Then you don't need more than 1 PCI-E x16 slot for your video card. Eventually you end with a laptop and external video card for when you want to play a game.
tl;dr: Buy a big case with plenty of bays.
the funny shit is that everyone and their mother is buying bigger cases than my 3 optical bay with a shitty hotswappable 3,5 inch bay
I could get behind if the idea was to make as small as possible, i am thinking of doing myself as i travel between two diferent locations often. But people want a big glass pane to see a ton of empty space.
It’s all deliberate, this is a war on ownership of media that’s why they are removed from both desktops and laptops. I think that it will not be long before we have most computers being glorified tablets with no USB ports, no headphone jacks and little to no local storage.
or maybe manufacturers want to sell less shit for the same price so they get more profits, you know as it is the base of public companies, overgrowing profits
I agree with a lot of this and think many more things should be removed. SATA ports are my #1 target. These do not belong on motherboards anymore go buy a NAS with a backplane of 6 sata ports if you need all them gigantic 20TB hard drives so badly. Motherboards should not have wifi built in it's always been a stupid retarded shitty addition anyone with a desktop should be plugging it into an ethernet port. My only objection is with PCIe motherboards should not just have one or two slots they should come with 4 minimum there are several different options and add in cards that should be left to additional slots not built into motherboards like high end boards having 10G LAN built in when that's easily adding another $100 to the price for no reason when anyone who wants 10G LAN can buy an add in card for it themselves.
Cases don't need to be boomer huge and old worthless in a desktop technology like HDDs and SATA ports should be thrown in the garbage or a separate system where it can spin and click as much as it wants in the basement away from civilisation
>i want tech like it was 40 years ago
even the cpus were cards you had to plug into the mainboard. not going to reappear.
I want motherboards the way they were 10 years ago but with the removal of SATA so people stop trying to put HDDs into PCs. Wifi 10G Lan Armor is all bullshit to be added in at buyer preference not manufacture hike the price harder israelite them more preference.
go fuck yourself, i have 8 sata ports and i need even more.
not my problem you are too dumb for ssds, i even plugged in a 4 port sata card for having 12 ports. 0dB + gigabytes/s reading speed, kindly fuck off, poorfag n00b.
and i also have nvme ssds, before you start spouting retarded nonsense again.
only autists have this black and white thinking. you are autistic.
You are a clown. You do not need 8 SATA ports in your desktop computer. You need precisely zero.
>you dont need what i have and had and you will be happy
die, motherfucker, die
>so people stop trying to put HDDs into PCs.
Nooo. Bad things will happen if people plug HDDs into their computers!
nagger
This is the spiraling I was talking about. With that reasoning, you don't need a desktop at all. A laptop would be better for you. Isn't a monitor, keyboard, and mouse all boomer huge and old and worthless? You could have all three in one sleek package in a laptop.
Cases without bays and HDD racks aren't any cheaper, and a desktop NAS can equal the price of a second computer. Why would I pay double when I can just put the HDDs in my PC for no added cost?
Turns out you can just install an operating system from a usb drive. Also disks can decay faster than a usb drive.
Storage limitations is no longer a problem since I can store 8 copies of the 3.5GB mario movie in a 32 gb drive
>3.5GB
Atrocious quality
placebo
Unironically, get your eyes checked.
>he doesn't have access to 4GB PixelHD encodes
For a tiny laptop screen DVD quality is good enough
>Also disks can decay faster than a usb drive.
cringe shill
>Also disks can decay faster than a usb drive.
i never put in a disc only to have its file system corrupted for unknown reason, not experienced bitrot on modern dvd and bluray recordables. two more weeks?
> nobody needs
> as many tens of millions of bluray discs are sold every year
no, it's cost cutting.
>usb drives
not a reliable backup solution, zoomyzoomzoom.
Optical media sales are now less than half of what they were just 10 years ago. (Source: MPAA)
You need to be kinda blind to ignore the global trend. DVDs and Blu-Rays are declining. CD sales are now even lower than vinyl.
>usb drives
I actually meant optical USB drives for your boomer needs, but whatever.
Archival grade hard drives are a good backup solution, especially compared to optical media. Hell, even tape is better than optical.
As someone who has worked at one of the major disk drive manufacturers during my career (and have a lot of friends working at both), while I would trust an HDD long term more than I would an SSD, especially if it's unplugged, given how low fly heights are these days and how delicate the fucking heads on drives can be, they're not really a replacement for cold storage optical media. Certain technologies to increase platter density, such as helium (lol that shit is going to leak out) and/or HAMR also make bringing a drive that's been offline for a long time much more questionable in my mind. God forbid you drop that drive and the head crashes, putting it on a spin stand is basically impossible outside of a very good lab inside of one of the manufacturers these days. The good long term enterprise drives are really intended to never be powered off, and thus don't really fit the niche well.
A better argument could be made that tape is a better archival medium, but holy fuck LTO tapes and drives manufactured with any sort of recent standard as expensive as fuck.
> >usb drives
>not a reliable backup solution, zoomyzoomzoom.
LOL sure, even with 50GB bluray discs available nowadays I'd need to burn over 100 of them to make a single backup of my NAS. no thanks, I rather buy multiple cheap HDDs and make redundant copies
You use 125GB BDXL for this you retard. Also, it's not for everything. It's the "3" and "2" in 3-2-1 backups in shit I actually care about.
>not a reliable backup
i agree, the usb i used some time ago for my important documents died with no apparent reason. i was lucky i had a somewhat recent backup lying around, but i lost 5 days worth of work
>Also disks can decay faster than a usb drive.
t. brainlet
I put all CDs in the trash years ago
Unless you are job or autistic hobby or sth requires you to constantly use optical storage then it's better to just use an external drive and store it in a closet for the rare occasion you might need it. No need to carry it around all the time.
This, I'm a 2000s boy who grew up burning DVDs as storage, but as flash memory got cheaper, DVDs faded away due to their abysmal shelf life
>DVDs faded away due to their abysmal shelf life
I have 20 year old burned dvds that still work.
same. i bet those saying otherwise don't know how to handle optical media.
I've always had a DVD drive lying around from my old computers, and I've never wanted to outright spend money on buying a new USB external drive. So I just plug the old DVD drive into SATA and just lie on my desk as it installs Simcity or whatever
I remember using cd players with anti skip buffering. the world is so boring now.
There's a lot of cool fringe tech for you to tinker with, you just choose not to tinker with it because
>heh I'll try it when it's a perfectly polished product shilled by a major corporation and everyone has one
This is the state of you, not the world. Example: 1 guy is currently making an unreal engine injector that lets you play every UE game in VR, with motion tracking camera control and basic hand motion tracking
>What happened?
Technology moved on, and so should you.
Almost noone NEEDS a built-in optical drive anymore, even less so in a mobile computer. For the rare cases where you might want to backup old CDs and DVDs, there's extremely cheap USB drives which you unplug and put away after you're done.
the internet
no one cares about optical drives anymore. the few that so are happy to buy an external drive instead of having an internal drive. everyone streams their media and puts files in cloud storage or on usb devices. even blu rays which still have a good capacity aren’t worth using unless you’re using them for long term cold storage of data
god I miss the noise made by cd drives
you mean that sweet
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Welcome to 2023. I think I saw once external cdr drives you can connect to a PC via usb if you really still use discs.
>Welcome to 2023
i think op is still catching up to 2013
Why have one in laptops these days when you are not using it anyway. They can charge the same amount for a laptop without an optical drive.
Who says I’m not using it, I still have a laptop that has on and I use it a lot. I didn’t ask for laptop manufacturers to remove them this something they’re forcing on us.
blame zoomers for embracing streaming and the shitty quality that brings
>1960s - you dont own movies you have to watch them on TV
>1970s to 2010 - wow I can own movies on VHS and DVD!
>2020s - you dont own movies you have to stream them on TV
you will own nothing and you be happy
Yes everything you have in this world is not yours since you can't keep it. Even your own body will eventually return to the earth whether you want it to or not. It's better to just accept this
>"owning" copyrighted media on DRM and copy protected media
Those physical copies can’t be changed or deleted but with streaming media it can be censored, changed or outright destroyed. They’ve started doing this with books where people’ digital copies are ‘updated’ to remove such ‘slurs’ as stupid, dumb or lame. This is a cultural revolution we’re in and the only way to resist is physical media.
This was an issue with physical media too. There are many examples where a broadcasted show was altered or unavailable on physical media. There's several trackers that specialize in "lost" media like this. At least today we have better ways of grabbing original streams at their original quality before they are altered later.
Optical drives take up too much space in a portable device for something that almost nobody uses anymore. If you need an optical drive you can get an external USB one.
I use them and I have plenty of games on disk that I want to use. Just face it your a cuck giving into the great reset in the name of ‘progress’
Make a ISO with a usb diskdrive and put multiple on a usb stick. Why would you be retarded and use the disks.
They can change what drm is allowed to be played on new disk drives. Good luck when your old one dies.
>what happened
1tb external ssd costs $50. why would you want optical media
SSD are unreliable and digital media can be altered. You will have to take my optical media from my cold dead hands
entrepreneurs everywhere are rubbing their hands thinking about how much ewaste they'll be able to pawn off on people like this
some of us like not using streaming services
>Laptops don’t need floppy disks
>Laptops don’t need disk drives
>Laptops don’t need HDDs
You are here
>Laptops don’t need headphones jacks
>Laptops don’t need microphone jacks
>Laptops don’t need USB drives
>Laptops don’t need a hard drive
>Laptops don’t need a graphics card
>Laptops don’t need processors
I am here
>you don't need a laptop
It's all about digital delivery nowadays. Get with the times already, old man. As for your backups, just store your data in the cloud, chud!
In the cloud that can be deleted if they decide to ban you and digital services that can be censored, altered or deleted entirely. God you zoom zooms zooms are completely retarded.
Because they take up a fuck load of space inside the laptop, have delicate moving parts and cost money to add. And nobody even uses them any more, and of course externals are available and cheap. Every CD/DVD drive I ever used in a laptop sucked shit anyway and wouldn't read a disc unless it was completely pristine.
I’m still using them and I will never give them up. Also saying “nobody’s using the” is so conformist if everyone jumped off a cliff would you join them?
There is no cure for being gay.
there are laptops and tvs with dedicated "netflix" buttons. hollywood hates when you can sell as a peasant, you shall only borrow
optical media is worthless
better off with 2 more SSDs in there
>My 10year+ old laptop was dying from constant use so
what was specific problem with your laptop? i know they do usually apart fast from being banged around.
>What happened?
Progression
Towards what exactly? Zero media ownership? Everything being streamed? Laptops that are basically glorified tablets?