>muh day of infamy
Was all this rhetoric about "Japanese treachery" pure cope? It seems to me the Americans massively fricked up at Pearl Harbor, seriously underestimated the Japanese navy and its capabilities to strike that far as well as a failed when it came to intelligence gathering.
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I get the sneak attack element, but I don't get why Hawaii (at that time a US territory) was treat the same as if Tojo himself had set fire to a school full of orphans on the East Coast.
Yamato was rivet construction. Battleships are indestructible.
Pearl Harbor was irrelevant because they were old but if the South Dakota's were sunk america would be screwed.
Ww2 was decided in surface actions and aircraft failed to sink any cruisers or normal battleships.
They needed an excuse to go to war with Japan. Japan also attacked U.S. military installation all around Asia including the Philippines but people were not really told of it because perhaps it would have keyed too many people in on the U.S. Imperial project.
Philipines was a territory of the states numbskull.
Never said it wasn't.
Whatever, they paid for it. And still are.
>failed when it came to intelligence gathering.
which is why only outdated vessels and ships due to be retired were present
Outdated vessels that had been in refit either at the time (Pennsylvania) or a few months/years earlier (most of the other BBs).
>T-they were old boats. We didn't need them
It's like Russians coping when they lost the Moskva.
America had so many other battleships it didn't matter. However the loss of the Pearl Harbor ones did make it barely able to sink kirishima and win Guadalcanal. It went from a overwhelming strength to a even fight.
>America had so many other battleships it didn't matter
It obviously did. Or else Americans wouldn't have been massively butthurt by the fact they were outsmarted by Japan who proceed to conquer the Philippines the same day.
That too.
weren't the vast majority of Americans currently oeprational bbs in pearl
It's true, but they were the old ones. The SD class actually worked.
The Utah and the other Pearl ships were only used for shore bombardment and never actually fought.
It was a catastrophic failure for Japan in the long run
But a complete tactical victory.
hardly
Not even
Their goal was to destroy carriers and they didnt destroy any of them at pearl harbor
What did they destroy?
Yamamoto's goal was battleships.
In target prioritization, air fields and carriers were listed ahead of battleships, but only because of the need to secure air superiority for the operation.
Jap cope
Old outdated ships
moron
The US managed to decrypt the diplomatic (not military like conspiracy morons still believe) communications of Japan and knew that they wanted to declare war on USA, but the japanese fricked up the timezones and the japanese ambassador in Washington didn't get to do it, and expected an attack on Midway and prepared for battle there.
The Yamato sank itself. Wikipedia has a edit war to hide this. It flooded itself to ensure America won.
It's a very interesting discussion but his is too dumb to reply to it. "Axis win ww2" threads are not completely ridiculous. If they killed the South Dakota at Pearl Harbor the war would be much harder. If the Yamato didn't kill itself then japan could have defeated america in 1945 or even earlier.
If the Bismarck was competent it could have crushed the British navy and so on.
I hope you get committed and a Black orderly smothers you to death schizo moron
This is a israelite trying to muddy the waters on every topic because hes enraged about holocaust denial. He posts this moronic spam alongside the
>stalingrad never happened
bs in literally every single thread
The Japanese won because they created anime which is propaganda to turn men into trannies
It was an inside job. FDR wanted an excuse to go to war, he was a Keynesian liberal. If you read "Economic Consequences Of The Peace" you would get why FDR wanted war. It was good for the economy.
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NEVER RELAX
anyway homosexualry aside, besides the SIGINT that suggested something was afoot, the only reason it's seen as "treachery", despite there being no non-agression pact or anything between japan and the us, is because the japanese declaration of war, which was sent around 30 minutes prior to the launch of the strike, remained unread/untranslated for several hours until basically the attack had stopped
/thread
You know the Japanese still attacked the US, right? Just because American intelligence failed doesn't somehow cancel out the matter of fact that Japan attacked the country before a declaration of war was officially issued.
If you caught a dude planning to shoot up a school before he did it, would that just cancel out his planned intentions to massacre people?
>attacked the country before a declaration of war was officially issued.
the usa has never formally declared a war since 1941
and the better comparison would be be
if you push a guy to start a fight and then get blindsided by him
The US embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina in 1940. The US fully supported and supplied Japan for their war against China between 1937-1940.
>if you push a guy to start a fight and then get blindsided by him
*If you push the guy who started 2 bar fights already.
Japan had already sacked and massacred the northeast of China. They were not entitled to American oil to fuel their war there.
Sure. The US still knew very well Japan was going to attack. They just failed to anticipate the Japanese would attack with all of their aircraft carriers since they thought it was too risky and impossible to achieve for Japan.