I want to compile a list of careers that are demoralizing (based on either your personal experiences or what your friends/family have described, etc. - don't link stupid blogposts that mention nothing).
> Mechanical Engineer
> (anyone else want to fill up this list?)
From my own experience, call centre worker. From that there’s sub-categories from least to most demoralising:
>least: public sector customer services
>outbound retentions (generally get good offers to give customers to get them to come back)
>private sector customer services
>most: cold calling sales
I worked for BT selling landline packages for a bit by cold calling people. The amount of fucking abuse we got was unreal. Our target was five sales a day and we got £1.50 commission for each sale along with minimum wage. Most people struggled to hit three sales a day and any less than that and they sack you. I managed it for three months, truly dismal job. Thank God I no longer work in a call centre.
>I worked for BT selling landline packages for a bit by cold calling people.
You deserved what you got wagie. Starvation is preferably to the lack of dignity of have for yourself to lower yourself to becoming a corporate scab.
Hi anon, UK bro here. What job would you recommend for someone with social anxiety?
I’ve no idea anon, sorry. I’m a quantity surveyor now. Not a job you can do with social anxiety, you need to be quite assertive when querying prices and contractual matters. It can be an adversarial environment.
THERE HE IS AGAIN
THERE'S THE QUANTITY SURVEYOR homosexual
Kek. I’ll stop posting about my job before I become a meme.
Lmfao imagine being widely known on biz for this
>the 31 year old quantity surveyors meme
>hated by all
I can see it happen.
>no one knows what he does
>job is somehow in high demand
You harass people whose numbers your company got through likely immoral methods. That's like complaining that you got injured from being a soldier. You went into it knowing what they had you doing.
>But anon its just one call
Plus 49 other companies sending their employee too
Plus 50 scammers, not necessarily from india either
I worked for an outsourcing company and was moved teams within the business without my choice. I never would have applied for that job. Previously I worked calling customers who wished to cancel their TV sports package and offering them a deal to stay, that wasn’t nearly as bad.
I didn’t personally do anything highly immoral but I remember they got us normal performers to listen to the top salesmen who were getting at minimum ten sales a day. Curiously when we listened in none of them got any sales. It turned out all six of them were sending contracts to very elderly people who hadn’t agreed to the sale banking on them being senile and just signing the paperwork. They all got sacked and the target was reduced from five sales a day to three.
The worst memory I have of that job is not of the customers but of the manager who made us listen to Ray Charles with our eyes closed every morning to motivate us to sell more.
Is sales a good experience to get somewhere in life?
No, I don’t think I learned anything valuable from that job other than I fucking hate sales and wouldn’t ever go back into it.
>The worst memory I have of that job is not of the customers but of the manager who made us listen to Ray Charles with our eyes closed every morning to motivate us to sell more.
>studycel for 4 years in undergrad to maxxx out GPA, MCAT, and extracurriculars
>spend thousands of dollars on med school applications and interviews
>be lucky to get into 1-2 schools
>$70-100k/year cost of attendance
>studycel for 4 more years
>0 life outside of school
>60+ hours a week, especially during 3rd and 4th years
>apply for residency slots
>(don't get to choose, it's algorithmically matched)
>if you don't match for a residency you are FUCKED
>likely move across the country to residency
>no friends, no support network
>wageslave for 3-7+ years 80+ hours a week for $60-70k/year
>cannot EVER quit residency program, no matter how miserable it is
>(not at all like quitting a job and simply getting a new one, you are F-U-C-K-E-D if you quit)
>interest on $400k student loans accruing the entire time at 7-8% interest
>finish training with $500-600k in debt
>get a $200-300k job if you're family med, internal med, pediatrics, etc.
>maybe $400-600k if you're a surgeon, anesthesiologist, radiologist, etc.
>work 50-60 hours a week for the rest of your career
>statistically be sued for malpractice at least once in your career
t. first year med school dropout
I heard the stories about medschool being ultra expensive but I never realized it was as bad as you described it as. All I can say is...damn.
i dropped out in 2014. at the time it was "only" like $70k or so cost of attendance. today the cost of attendance (tuition, room, and board) is $96k/year.
Fuck man, at that point, even with $300k+ salary, this shit simply isn't worth it at that point.
Like everything else in the USA it's designed that way so 70yo boomers don't take a paycut competing with millennials half their age, literally dragging society down to third world standards so that people who should have retired already can keep bumbling along fucking things up. And then when there's a shortage of doctors they'll import pajeets, who will also fuck things up.
It is not an exaggeration or 'daddy/mommy issues' to say the boomer has destroyed society for his progeny and it will take generations to recover, if recovery is even possible in 56% land.
>Fuck man, at that point, even with $300k+ salary, this shit simply isn't worth it at that point.
Not worth it.
I'm a software engineer @ age 30 worth ~$800k. I've considered switching fields into something more fulfilling (give me suggestions!). If I were to do medicine, I'd just get a foreign degree and practice overseas if need be.
Medical school in Philippines is like $2700/year for tuition and has far far far less bullshit to go through to get in. Hell, you don't even need to go get a bachelors degree first in many countries, which is a a HUGE time/money savings.
The only people I know pursuing medicine in USA now are giga cucks or had parents that were dropping $50k/year or more on their education since 1st grade. That is, your family has gotta be loaded already
We're no longer selecting based on competency, if we ever were. It's a class filter
they make way more than 300k, think 500-700k depending on specialty
not really. the specialities that pay that much are extremely competitive.
General surgery isn't super competitive and after making partner you should be able to make that much. You'll likely be on call though which will suck.
This doctor grad student broke up with me because she was busy with school, my question anon is should I try reaching out again this summer to try to reconnect or finally let go.
>Did sperg out by telling her I really liked her on date #2, take that as you will
My ex was a medical student and she was fucking mental (not an exaggeration, I had to physically restrain her once as she was going to drive to the Forth Road Bridge and jump off it because she couldn’t cope with the stress of her degree). I’m relieved every day we finally ended it after four years. Take from that what you will.
Why did you stay with that loon for four years.
Every time I tried to break up with her she said she couldn’t go on without me and threatened suicide. I couldn’t handle the guilt and emotional manipulation and gave in every time until she finally broke up with me.
Bitch is married and has a kid now, I fear for that poor child and her patients.
Id have called the cops on her saying she was suicidal. Bam mental hospital, bam removed from becoming a doctor, gg ez. Im not being jeld captive by a suicidal pyscho woman
her schedule won't get any less busy until she's done with her training. if she's pursuing medicine she's a wagecuck through and through, and you will ALWAYS be second to her career.
If she was turned off by that honesty than she isnt worth it. I would love if a woman sperged out like that on me
This is by design. Filter out the people who can't handle the heat of conducting life-saving surgeries and procedures. I wouldn't want to subject myself to incompetent doctors.
But women and minorities get a pass on that anyway
Idk about women, but Asian-Americans aren't getting any passes.
pushing yourself to physical exhaustion isn't filtering for competence, it's filtering for subservient wageslaves. the medical profession actually argues that residents and doctors working long hours (24-30 hour shifts) is better for patients because more handoffs at 8-12 hour shift mark = greater chance for potential medical errors. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1900669
Is that why medical malpractice is #3 cause of death in the US behind heart attacks and cancer
Asking a normal human being to be a living medical library with the bodily awareness of an athlete and the tactile skill of a painter who is subject to the marketing psyops of billion-dollar pharma and medical equipment companies while also dealing with the kind of debt that usually requires a professional accountant to resolve is exactly how you get incompetent doctors.
We mostly have incompetent doctors in this country.
>200k salary, 130k post tax
>move back home
>ride on parents shoulders
>spend max 10k per year
>5 years later debt free
>10 years later 1m
>retire for passive income nets you enough for modest middle class neeting
>worst case scenario
>just earn 130k/year
>move back home
>when residency is all the way across the country
Retard. Doctors are FUCKED
You can make 200k as a software engineer without as much debt and earlier if you aggressively pursue pay new jobs and pay raises.
>just study leetcode hards while you're in college full time and maintain a 3.8 GPA while work a part time job bro
>just apply for hundreds of jobs after you graduate and not receive an offer, forcing you to accept a dead end job like help desk bro
Fuck off, medicine is popular because unless you fuck up and get a sanction placed on your license you're guaranteed an upper class lifestyle. Not only that but you'll get tons of validation and respect from pretty much everyone you meet because our society worships doctors as if they are demigods.
>grind yourself to death until finishing training in mid 30s
>move back in with your parents (as a doctor, fucking kek)
>relax into a decade of stressful wageslavery, 50-60 hours a week
>retire in mid 40s
>luxuriate in the incredible excess of $20-30k/year pre-tax passive income
you can get the same outcome by taking massive amounts of psychedelics until you induce permanent psychosis, to the point of claiming disability before a disability judge. you will qualify for $1k/mo SSI disability, government housing vouchers, and food stamp benefits. my friend did this (without any drugs involved) when he developed schizophrenia in his late 20s.
>retire for passive income nets you enough for modest middle class neeting
All that to move out of mommy's house in your 40s? right.
Also, nobody is retiring with a simple $1 million in 2023, let alone 2040+ lmao
That would be an austere lifestyle, if it were even plausible to pull off.
>cute nurses find out you live with your parents as a doctor
>start referring to you as doctor virgin
Don't care, they'd call me dr fat dicks in yo mouf bitch
if you move to a third-world country 1 million is enough
>if you move to a third-world country 1 million is enough
No it's not. I'm about 1-2 years away from hitting 1 million (again) and I'm in the Philippines.
Tell me which 3rd world country you would move to and a specific town and lifestyle you plan to live. We'll start by finding out how much of the $1m would be going towards a basic home, then move on to educating children and other expenses. Or is our hypothetical 3rd world Dr. NEET also a childfree virgin? I'll admit that would lower his expenses a lot.
$1 million, especially if you don't already own a home, is close to a bare minimum for midwest or 3rd world living of any sort of quality.
Now, if you have a home to live in, you're starting to get close to enough.
I'd say anyone embarking on this would benefit from at least a part time online job bringing in like $40k+/year. That would change a lot.
Not sure exactly where I would live. I don't plan on having kids and I don't need anything more than a 2 bedroom condo. I would eat out occasionally and get a hooker once in a while.
>Not sure exactly where I would live. I don't plan on having kids and I don't need anything more than a 2 bedroom condo. I would eat out occasionally and get a hooker once in a while.
Now the question becomes whether you study for 4-8 years, resident for a few, and attending for 15 years while living at your parents place to ultimatley live this way vs just going to the third world right now with an online ESL job or virtual assistant gig.
That or 'just' high end software dev age 22-30 or so and save a decade, if you can tolerate the work and have the IQ.
>I can’t think of a single career that’s infested with more incel onions cucks.
Pretty sure my field is easily 20-30% virgin. Recommend me something to switch to. Currently chilling in southeast asia
You’re already in deep for tech my man why not switch to being a systems analyst, project manager or solutions architect? I’ll give code naggers this besides the diversity hires they’re usually smart but my god are they turbo virgins. Project managers make decent money and at least can’t be spergs or they’d lose their jobs and you get to boss around the code monkeys. Shit you could crack the hammer on them since most project managers don’t know shit about programming so you can call them out when they try to pretend writing a for loop will take them a week.
Millionaire at the age of 45 nice job kid
Technically it is a nice job since most people on LULZ will unironically never be millionaires before 45 even if they're buying crypto starting at 18.
But it's also a retarded LULZ post along the lines of "lol just eat rice and beans for every meal and live in a shed for free, stop spending money at all" which assumes everything will just go 110% smoothly without problems.
Is that starting or including the years working up to that salary
Add to the fact that we’re moving toward a universal/socialized healthcare system in the US which will stagnate physician salaries.
You’re pretty much fucked, kek.
And of course this being the USA they won't pay off your debt or reimburse you for lost time, but they will pay off all the universities and hospitals which might otherwise lose money from their socialized cashgrab of course.
You should go to India and get a fake medical qualification then go get a job in Australia as a gp.
You need to resit like 4 years of courses because Australia doesn't recognise indian certifications
No it only takes a year. 4 years just to pass what you already passed?
AI will replace most of the medical industry btw, particularly radiologists, family doctors and such
They did this to themselves. The residency, the insane education reqs, all of it is just a way to gatekeep the profession and keep pay high. The sane solution would be to have a lot more doctors doing a lot less each with a greater emphasis on procedure to ensure continuity of care, but that would halve salaries (and you can't buy a McMansion/boat on 5-figures these days).
This, also it's the sort of job where if the government tells you to start killing poor, you are likely to capitulate due to all the aformentioned debt and overspecialization
accounting...I'm too tired to type out why, just think about that.
i dropped out of med school to
get a masters in accounting. working in big 4 was extremely gay but i now have a comfy remote job that pays $100k/year.
>manufacturing jobs- standing behind the machine doing same shit 8 hours a day
>night time delivery of fruit and vegetables for restaurants, schools, kindergartens etc.
time delivery of fruit and vegetables for restaurants, schools, kindergartens etc.
Sounds kinda cosy ngl.
My job I just stand by a conveyor belt and flip small packages so the label is facing up. I completely zone out and time flies. $31/h, I love it.
> I completely zone out and time flies
Teach me your secrets, master. For me, this is the most mind-numbing boring work after the first week or so.
god I'd love to land something like this now, but I suspect in a few more years time these jobs won't exist anywhere
Any that are more than ~15% female
Help Desk Support - even more so if you work for an MSP (3rd party IT support for businesses)
Pay is dogshit, customers can range from clueless to aggravated, and moving up the help desk ladder just means you have to handle more of people's problems of increasing complexity.
Most people are in help desk for a couple years until they skill-up, GTFO, and find in a role that's more specialized.
The best part is when the company hits a certain cursed balance between the client generating enough problems and the revolving door getting bad enough. You have no employee retention outside of a few diehards that are either crazy and/or stupid, so the bulk of the agents is perpetually new guys that have no clue on the client company's "quirks" which makes the queues worse and the problems compound to the point that the workload spirals out of control, which then makes the employee retention spiral out of control in turn. The result is that nothing works, everyone hates you and management won't do anything aside from being reduced into hiring giga retards because the competent parts of the labor pool have probably already experienced and/or heard of your wonderful work environment.
t. seen this shit first hand, the record was roughly three thousand tickets in the unassigned pile alone, some dating back several months + god knows however many assigned to the agents themselves
I can’t think of a single career that’s infested with more incel onions cucks.
How many of them have turned into trannies, or do you foresee any of them doing so?
I'm a wfh coder. I get paid (low) 6 figures to do not very much in my PJs.
Very based, the only "work" I've done this week is writing a script to keep my teams active by writing out messages in morse code with caps lock.
I love that about it. Makes me feel better about my life.
Every single one.
fast food worker, I remember seeing some guy in his 50's working in the back and he has been there for more than 10 years, still not even a manager. very demoralizing to the point I went back to school.
>he has been there for more than 10 years, still not even a manager
They do it to themselves.
to be fair being a manager such places is often just signing up for more work for less pay (with the idea being that you're supposed to sell that experience on your resume to get a better job in the future), some of us just want a simple, steady and safe job
Anything in an assembly line.
I’ve done a cookie factory and injection molding. You stand there for 8-12 hours a day talking to no one, moving things in a conveyer belt to another conveyer belt.
Some people can zone out and just repeat the same task 10000x.
Not for me. I worked MIM for a factory that makes firearms. Quit after 3 months out of insane boredom.
How is that demoralizing?
Had a coding job for several years before quitting. Shit was fucking demoralizing.
Constant high pressure ferocious deadlines, dreadfully needy customers, out of touch managers, backstabbing coworkers, I can go on and on.
Also, if you don't have a passion for coding, it's so unbelievably bad.
please go on. How did your coworkers backstab you?
Made up lies about things I did and said to my manager, and manager of course ate it up since they had far more experience than I did.
The work world is simply an extension of high school, just like college was.
Customer "service" anything, even IT
Some misinfo in this thread. I know doctors making 500k +
Infosec is a solid career. 275k and work 35 hours a week . About to job hop for 350k but need to go to office 2-3 days a week. This is possible to attain but you cannot stay at a job longer than 4 years. (2.5 optimal ) Only thing I can’t stand is working with devs because they CANNOT code securely for shit and communicate autistically. For Infosec you need engineering chops but cannot be autistic and need to have a lawyer swag to yourself. Auto eliminates pajeets and changs off the bat which is nice.
>Infosec is a solid career
Which actual job titles and responsibilities do you look for?
I make around 250k as an SRE, but would prefer something with less autists, pajeets. Ambivalent on some changs, but a lot of em are just as bad.
>Only thing I can’t stand is working with devs because they CANNOT code securely for shit and communicate autistically. For Infosec you need engineering chops but cannot be autistic and need to have a lawyer swag to yourself. Auto eliminates pajeets and changs off the bat which is nice.
>Lawyer swag to yourself
Something tells me that people like this anon are why we get at least two massive data breaches a year.
You are a pajeet dev aren’t you? The fucking worst.
I just graduated with a undergrad degree in Information Systems and I can't get a job. How do I angle towards infosec, how do I get certs?
>busboy in vacation beach town
>the Russians hired on for the summer work super fast and efficient
>I'm slower and try to keep up
>they shit talk in Russian all the time
>one boss tells me to work faster
>other boss tells me to clean more thoroughly
>date chaste Latina who also works there all summer
>never fug despite trying
>end of summer
>White waitress tells me she was into me and that we would've fugged all summer long
Sorry to hear anon. What did they look like? You live somewhere with Latinos and Russians? Where are you located country wise? Thailand or something?
This was prior to 2016, back when Russians were allowed in the states for work visas
that sounds like the biggest waste of a summer
>worked night shift reception at a small hotel
>thought it was a dream job initially
>pays better than other menial work because nights
>lots of time to read or do whatever
>over the years the soul crushing element crept in
>boss was a total psycho, you would often have to listen to him berate you or colleagues for some minor infraction (often imagined by him, literally, it became more and more obvious with time he just did this to "keep us in line")
>most of the time nothing would happen during a shift, until suddenly everything happened at once, dealing with some violent, drunk irate guest at 4AM in the morning while the bread delivery is coming in and at the same time some other guests wants to check out, and you're all by yourself
>also being on permanent graveyard shift does something to you, I always thought of myself as a night owl but after 6 years there I never want to work another night in my life
is this you
Yes, except it was actually pretty much impossible to get fired. That was one good part of the job, the psycho boss at least always took our side against guests. Sometimes he'd come to relieve me for the morning shift, and I'd see him absolutely tear into some guest that annoyed him. It was some Fawlty Towers shit.
You are treated as completely expendable, you are surrounded by retards, drug addicts and felons. You work with chemicals which melt your gloves, burn (i.e. damage) your eyes and destroy your brain cells. And sometimes you do work that you know has absolutely no meaning or point to it simply because of political games between management of the GC and your company. You are a pawn to be used and thrown away at the whims of corporate overlords in the purest sense - physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually.
Stay away from drug stores. I went from relatively cushy retail tech sales waging to CVS because they were offering a better salary and I needed it to make ends meet. Massive, massive mistake. First, they've cut hours to the bone. Two people in the store, running checkout, photos, restocking, plano, backroom, cleanup, etc. That used to be like 10 people. Computers didn't make things THAT more efficient. All of those videos you see of people walking into stores, stuffing goods into a trash bag, and just walking out? I'm almost certain at this point that it's not because thieves have become more brazen, it's because theft like that is essentially part of CVS' business strategy. They purposely don't have enough people in the stores to dissuade shoplifters, and then the stuff that gets stolen, 99% of the time they're getting their insurance payout before the item would ever have been sold organically. You get fired for confronting customers about anything, because the whole point is to maintain the woe-is-me corporate facade and keep Boomers with their fucking mile-long stack of coupons coming in to overpay for adult diapers. Also, the customers: no one who walks into CVS wants to be there. No one. They're either sick or they're poor or they're in a hurry and generally can't choose someplace else to go. Because of this, they're the worst customers you can imagine to deal with. My previous job had cured me of my introversion, this one basically gave me autism as a self-preservation tactic. Even when you want to help a customer, you often don't have the authority, and no managers are available (I almost never saw mine in the store after my first month). You don't even want to deal with your coworkers. Pharmacy is the worst. They're MASSIVELY overworked and also have a chip on their shoulder because they're credentialed medical professionals having to deal with corporate AND customer bullshit like uneducated wagies.