1. We need to eat animals
2. We are empathetic animals
How to not feel like shit?
*This is political because climate change and stuff
Moral dilemma
1. We need to eat animals
2. We are empathetic animals
How to not feel like shit?
*This is political because climate change and stuff
>And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
We have dominion over animals and can do to them what is not explicitly forbidden by the Lord (example: Beastiality)
So god gives you license to be a furry? Is that it?
I just told you beastiality is not allowed. Sexual attraction to animals is an abomination.
I know the answer but want to ask it anyways, why?
Because sexual urges are designed for men towards women and women towards men for procreation and to further develop love and devotion within a marriage.
but how does that make it an abomination, especially say if it is between a male and a female?
Because it's a strange lust (just like homosexualry) and sex is meant to be within marriage and marriage is only between a man and a woman
Presuming you mean male human and female animal, or the other way around, i.e. interspecies sex, the reasoning is ultimately the same: it is a fruitless union, with no possibility of it bearing fruit. It's the same reason why homosexuality is bad. Not to mention the possibility of strange diseases occurring which are capable of spreading to other people. The same reason homosexuality is seen as bad.
Cultures and religions around the world have almost universally declared waste of sexual energy as a negative thing, to the point of discouraging even simple masturbation. Hindus believe it wastes your prana, greeks believe it to spill your vitae, and so on and so forth.
In many cases of this, it turned out the person was fairly hypersensitive to certain toxins sprayed on the plants or wheat. As an example, many people don't know that glycophosphate is used to aid in drying wheat. I forget what (if anything) rice and potatoes have.
A good test for you would be to grow your own potatoes and see if they cause any issue for you.
My grandparents grow them for me and I get a ton of them when I visit them back in the countryside, I don't buy any vegetables from shops. They even make homemade bread. Nowadays I just ask them for spinach, olive oil, garlic and tomatoes.
Huh. Fair enough then. Also lucky, I wish I had produce producing family.
>Sexual attraction to animals is an abomination.
But then why are women sexually attractive? If it's intelligence and consciousness that set Man apart from the animals, it's undeniable that women are just dumb animals.
>If it's intelligence and consciousness that set Man apart from the animals
It's not. It's that we have souls
you are retarded animal literally means has a soul.
>why are women sexually attractive?
wide hips, good for child bearing, big breasts for the same reason
beautiful face subconsciously read as health
small frame indicates submission
>Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
OUR image, not MY image.
God is talking with a GROUP that are like him, huh?
The trinity
yeah and most of them hang out on LULZ.
Yes, as i am literaly God, the creator of everything, i can assure you that i am just a simple perfect human being, when i said "OUR image", i was refering to mine and my buddies the angels.
>Muh israelite religion
Saw this thread and wanted to post this exact same passage, lol
fpbp
How did the sand nagger from 2000 years ago who wrote that passage know exactly what god said word for word? Was he there when god said it? Did he convince everyone he knows god personally because “Just trust me bro”
Religion like this is laughable horse shit. The fact you posted it as some kind of evidence is pathetic and retarded.
Literal fairy tales
Stop being a pussy. Alternatively don’t eat until you are hungry enough to take a life, you will be
I eat omad keto, almost half a kilo of meat and a few eggs + low carb vegetables in 1 meal. Any other way of eating makes me feel like I'm aging. Also waterfast on saturdays, and do a 3-5 day water fast twice a year.
sounds like you just needed some B12, protein, Vitamin A and Vitamin C. seems more like a question for LULZ
Nah I always ate meat, I've only reduced carbs and increased meat. I used to have onset insomnia and slept way too much when I finally did fall asleep. Now I sleep much less and wake up refreshed at the same time every day. Also have constant energy through the day and clearer mind. Digestive issues went away too.
I think the insomnia might have been more of a stress thing.
protein is good, because it takes more energy to digest and has more calories per unit. but not all protein is the same. for example I love red meat (for the iron) but I don't like fatty stakes and prefer lean steaks.
correct it is inexact we have just done our best and is as science has lead us to believe.
the question was asked, "what is intelligent?" and we spent years trying to actually figure out how to define intelligence. I remember as a kid there was things going around about how dogs are not sentient but we can teach them to communicate more now than ever. maybe because I saw the paradigm shift. anyways dogs were treated much worse when I was a child.
the question was asked, "what is man?" and diogenes answered a "featherless biped."
did you eat those alone or with something? I understand bread in Europe isn't "enriched" as it is here in the states.
Protein is not for energy, that's fat. We use protein for building blocks and to produce what little glycogen we need for things like replenishing lactic acid in the muscles.
Fat is for energy.
> I love red meat (for the iron)
should love it even more for the zinc
>lean steaks
You're missing out on very healthy fatty acids, but yea I do eat chicken breast too sometimes. Have to compensate with extra olive oil though
>dogs were treated much worse when I was a child
no kidding, I saw a lot of hanged dogs in my childhood when I used to live in the countryside
>did you eat those alone or with something?
Obviously not, carbs are shit without fat.
>too much oil in American cooking
protein can be converted into that it just takes more energy. (a lesson learned by eating peanut butter)
>dogs
I lived in Georgia.
Wild dogs were much more common.
oh I know the full story and I didn't botch it, Diogenes did in fact define man as a featherless bi-ped and squarely told Plato, "behold a man" handing him a featherless biped called a chicken.
also on intelligence we broadly have about five categories:
>chordates vs everything else
things like having some form of inter-organ communication system broad defines a chordate
>complex pattern recognition (instincts)
means the animal can respond to complex patterns but lacks problem solving skills, acts only on instinct
>socialization
the create can express emotions and socialize with member of own species or other species.
>semi-sentience (complex reasoning skills)
can both socialize and perform work requiring complex problem solving skills. usually also posses primitive communication methods like specific vocalizations
>full sentience (the ability to communicate complex ideas and organize complex social structures)
broadly manipulates the environment. can use complex tools, reasoning, and communication.
example
>beaver, social creature
cannot use complex tools, instinct to build is not based in higher reasoning. uses only simple emotional expressions.
I know protein can be used for energy too, but it's not optimal
>video
qrd?
>video.
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1398005-2014-world-cup-semfinal-brazil-vs-germany
so you know the story of that LULZ banner. well image the score was 200-0. and they kept going because Brazil was hiding Hitler.
Hiesman is the guy the hiesman trophy was named after. he set the standard for early football in the US. he was pissed because some no name college in tenseness hired some professional players that destroyed Georgia tech in baseball.
>the question was asked, "what is man?" and diogenes answered a "featherless biped."
That's not a Christian definition so it wouldn't apply to my morality.
Even my skin and hair are visibly younger compared to when I ate bread and potatoes daily
painless killing of animals. if the animal was killed in such a way that it did not experience an ounce of pain, then you will not feel anything bad eating its meat
For that I'd have to do it myself, which I'm not a fan of. If you raise an animal you come to think of it as family eventually. And if you mean hunting, you have to be good in order to kill painlessly.
We need lab-grown meat. I don't think being a vegetarian is healthy. The best thing we can do right now is to get rid of factory farming.
established a moral law about killing animals based on certain critium.
>how intelligent are they
>primary diet
>primary use
if it is not capable of complex problem solving, it is a herbivore or herbivorous scavenger, and it cannot be used for work or labor.
then there isn't a moral dilemma, as the animal is the moral equivalent of a rock.
however most animals we eat are labeled as intelligent but not sentient, herbivorous, and have been purpose breed for use as livestock.
>labeled as
key word here, we label everything that isn't readily apparent human-like intelligence as "non sentient"
You're ignoring the divinity of humanity. We are not animals.
Premise 1: All life that is born will one day die.
Premise 2: Life is a gift / good thing.
Premise 3: Pain and suffering is to be avoided.
The solution is to allow the animal to live in an optimal way and then offer it a painless death when it's reached the time.
Granted, it won't be able to live until old age, but that's the best we can do.
And by "optimal life" I do not mean factory farmed or like how most dairy or poultry is raised in the US. For optimal animal (and human) health, small scale farms need to be brought back instead of massive farms. For agriculture too, monocultures breed devastation for the environment, deplete the soil, require tons of pesticides and other such things.
As things currently stand we grind up baby chicks for the sole reason of them being male. It's an abomination.
Much like how Christ was fully god and fully man, we are fully man and fully animal. We were made from the same clay as they.
If you're not christian then the greek explanation works equally well, that of man being the highest animal.
There are different interpretations. It's been a while since I looked into it, but the basics were: "royal we", talking to angels, or just the natural evolution of language. Were you to say to yourself "Let's do it!" to psych yourself up, "Let's" there is a contraction of "Let us". Not really the point of contention you believe it to be.
>Granted, it won't be able to live until old age, but that's the best we can do.
Probably would die before old age in nature too, and more brutaly, so maybe one way to look at it is that we're giving them extra years of life. But then again we aren't are we? Factory farming is all about production, not quality
For sure, I'm not saying nature is bliss or anything deluded like that. And it would also be said they wouldn't have been able to experience life itself were it not for the domestication and breeding / producing for human consumption.
But be that as it may, stuffing them into cages and stressing them out to the point that their beaks need to be broken to prevent stress response of pecking each other is obviously cruel and inhumane. Even if you care nothing about animals, us doing that sort of thing to them demeans and lowers us, the same way it would be distasteful to beat a toddler or circumcise an infant.
>love red meat (for the iron)
It's actually easier than you'd think to build up too heavy a supply of iron in the blood if you're a man. Consider bloodletting or donating blood every once in a while to offset this. Women have periods which takes care of it for them.
"Intelligence" is broader than you realize. Honeybees dance to communicate the location of flowers to each other, and have been shown to experience happiness and sadness as well through their reactions and behavior.
>diogenes said "featherless biped"
You messed up the story so bad you completely ruined it. Here:
ccording to Diogenes Laërtius’ third-century Lives and Opinions of the Eminent Philosophers, Plato was applauded for his definition of man as a featherless biped, so Diogenes the Cynic “plucked the feathers from a cock, brought it to Plato’s school, and said, ‘Here is Plato’s man.’
Most animals in nature will die in horrific, agonizing pain from predation, injury, disease, and/or starvation.
Running around on an insane adrenaline rush until you pass out from blood loss after a .30-06 or arrow passes from one shoulder blade to the other is merciful in comparison.
Moreso in the case of a very good shot that kills instantly, or a captive bolt to the dome, or a clean beheading.
Practice shooting and hunt, keep your own livestock, or buy from a local farmer/butcher that buys from local farmers if you don't like cruelty against other living beings.
Factory farms are often China-tier in terms of animal neglect and cruelty, not even including the Monsanto bullshit your food is eating in their short, depressing lives and the crazy shots they're jabbed with, and whatever they do/add to the meat after the fact.
That being said, I find it hard to not bond with animals. But my family being able to survive comes before anything else.
>buy from a local farmer/butcher that buys from local farmers
I've lived in the countryside and I know not everyone kills humanely. I could hear the horrific screams from the pigs my neighbors owned every time they killed them. Also, I don't trust anyone who says they buy from local farmers unless I check.
>I find it hard to not bond with animals
I love watching animals' behaviors and I learn to communicate with them non verbally. Apparently it's a common trait among people with my neurological "disorder".
yea, I consider myself very lucky despite not having a lot of wealth. Either way carnivore isn't a bad diet either. Vegetables are optional
You are supposed to feel bad. You are supposed to know their pain and sacrifice. So you are grateful and fully understand how they suffer for you to eat and survive. So you value the life that sustains you. That is how you live in connection with nature and yourself.
This is what thanksgiving day stole and commercialized.
I didn't think of it like that..
I think its an epiphany one has the moment of first animal kill with the intention of eating it after being on a trail for hours, tired and hungry.
The disconnect industrialized civilization creates between man and the learning/bonding process of natural life is the direct reaponsible of the corruption and fall of mankind.
It's not necesarily the disconnect, it's the abundance of all kinds of resources. People are constantly high on dopamine and therefore, progresively need stronger more degenerate sources of dopamine just to get by, which is why most people are depressed though the weak but happy in the weekends when they get to be degenerate for 2 and a half days straight.
>its the abundance of all kinds of resources.
Thats what created the disconnect between man and nature. Theres everything you need, easly available without the effort ot experiences needed to get them. That effort and those experiences are what connects you to nature and what gives you the wisdom.
Everything else you mentioned. Are but symptoms of this disconnect. I am glad you understand.
I've been wanting to go back to the countryside for a while, just to stay away from the madness, but there's upsides to society too, like the fact you can interact with people from many different cultures by travelling in a fraction of the time that it used to take, which in turn stimulates the brain grow a more complex network. My brain craves for new experiences, which used to be useful as well to find new food sources back in the prehistoric days.
Don't be a fucking pussy.
u can just stick with eggs and milk and cheese and beans for protein
I drink small glasses of milk sometimes, too much makes my stomach upset, I prefer aged strong cheese. Regardless, cheese is expensive as fuck and you can't get all your protein from it. As for the eggs, the egg industry is just as bad as, if not worse than, the meat industry.
the animals get it. they're smarter than you.
Let animals eat you when you die.
if animals are stupid enough to get trapped they deserve to get eaten, ive seen chicken run, i know mfs can escape too
need animal with short life span, needs to be able to produce a lot of offspring, kill the older animals reaching their limit, do it humanely for empathy points and also let them live a happy life
this way everyone have it their way, becides mass production meat farms
>animal with short lifespan, needs to be able to produce a lot of offspring
are we supposed to eat rodents?
There are animals you can eat, some you can’t. You don’t decide, God created some which He allowed us to eat. That’s why we muslims have to make it a sacrificial ritual btw. We have to kill the animal in the name of God because it’s a way of acknowledging that we needed God’s permission to do it.
Non-abrahamic believers or worse, paulians (modern christians basically) don’t have a clue what’s right and what’s wrong. You guys just guess. This is exactly because of that kind of moral dilemma that you need guidance coming from God and not from some random so-called expert or philosopher who will be rebuked by another guy in 20 years or so.
I see no difference betwen some random guy claiming X now, and some other random guy claiming Y 2000 years ago. Just because a religion has been hyped by a crowd for thousands of years that doesn't make it more "true". Crowds are like parrots, sometimes they repeat true things, but usually false things, specially the longer it's been since the happening, since people tend to lie to adorn their stories.
You are simply finding excuses to unload your burden of responsability of taking a life. It's "God" who told you to, right?
Tell me something that connects to my experience and so I can assimilate it and then we'll talk, meanwhile I'll eat any and every animal, because I have to survive.
treat them well, watch them get shot and processed, and be thankful for what they give to you
cos there is a food chain and we are at the top of it. that is nature, baby
Until we have the technology to make it unnecessary the great mass of society must resign itself to willful ignorance and cognitive dissonance.
If you can't stop yourself from eating meat at the very least make sure the animals live well and die well
>If you can't stop yourself from eating meat
I could stop myself but I don't want to do it systematically because I don't want depression. What's ironic about this is that it's because I eat meat that I can stop myself from eating meat (or anything really) for several days, without hunger at all.
I do vegan weeks sometimes as experiments (lentils and nuts for protein last time) and by day 5-7 I see a clear decline in my mental clarity and flexibility by the productivity outcomes in my studies/work
It's true i do the same, as a cope, i turn on the radio and the tv and there's no bringing back any of it. the food is undercoooked and the fun is underfun
>you will eat the labslop meat, goy
I don't think so
>make sure the animals live well and die well
that is true however
>How to not feel like shit?
Nature forced us to eat animals. Not our fault.
>How to not feel like shit?
by not thinking about it and enjoying meat