Men who say they are not doing self-improvement for women are lying to themselves

Let me ask you all of you bloomers, if you knew for a fact, that no matter how much self-improvement you did your dating prospects would not increase, would you still do it?
Be honest, don't try to rationalize based on some autistic stoic philosophy, speak from the gut.

I can't think of a single reason that makes it worth it to waste away my youth struggling other than women(not sure if even women are worth it). Why would I need money, nice condo, a car and whatever hobby bullshit gadget i get when I am going to be slaving away for most of my life...
And since average and below average guys know that in their first 30 years of life they were not desired for themselves, then the prospect of slaving away only to attract a woman for your MONEY is not so appealing - thus all the NEET boom lately

Not that anecdotes prove anything, but I know a guy who is upper-middle class and after years of try-harding became a DJ. So he found some 7/10 Beckie and my paradigm was broken until he told me that she rarely has sex with him and wants him to pay for everything LOOOOOL

  1. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    I learn skills because I want more money for hedonistic lifestyle

    I exercise because I don't want my clothes to stick to my back during summer because I sweat.

    If you have hobbies, that are btw things that YOU do for fun, because you want to cater to females then you are the retard here. If it's slavery If you don't do it for pussy then make yourself a favour and have a nice day now.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >I work and learn for hedonism
      The irony... True hedonists work security guard night shifts in some empty office building, jerk off all night, eat take away and do drugs.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Buying a cheap beer 4 pack on Friday for your security Cuck job is not hedonism ano

        I'm working on making a video game because I always wanted to.
        I'm doing music because I enjoy it.
        And I'm exercising because as I get older I'm starting to think about health and taking care of myself.

        I already know 100% I will be a wizard for the rest of my life.

        Incel here, also ex hobo. I fucking love bathing. Some nice bath bombs, some candles, some ambient or new age music, a long soak, and a good scrub.

        Not 100% of motivation but a large part of it. I like money not only because it helps w/ women but I also like to eat at good restaurants and hate cooking, I want a big enough house for all my hobbies, I like expensive fast cars because they are fun (also help w/ girls), I like dressing nice, etc. I like LARPing too, which definitely doesnt help with girls but is fun. I just bought a PVS-14 night vision setup which ran me about $5000

        Based

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      OP is right fag
      if u were on a lone island would you care if you stink? nope... you are doing it all to get validated by basedciety

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah ofc tard, what a dumb fucking example. You can live and not wash if the smell of shit doesn't bother you, because obviously not smelling shit the entire day is for women .

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          my example is perfect. the only difference between a lone island and you right now is that there are people around you and you are a weak little homosexual that wants people to approve of him and tell him how good he smells

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            How did you make this post if you are so strong? You wouldn't use the internet for approval.

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              im enjoy debating/arguing. nothing wrong with socializing.
              approval? you must be a newfag if you think anyone is expecting approval on LULZ.

              Seethe more idiot, can't cope that you were the dumb fat kid at school

              you misspelled "i lost the argument so im mad and resort to name-calling to make my self feel good again"

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                You posted for approval. How did you make that post unless it was for approval?

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >You posted for approval?
                Why would you think this? Please quote which part was for approval?
                >Why did you make that post unless it was for approval?
                To debate and argue

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                But you posted for approval? You cant prove otherwise.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine someone who pretends he's another person to agree with himself and calling someone else a fag trying to talk someone else down like this.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Seethe more idiot, can't cope that you were the dumb fat kid at school

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >incels dont get a nauseous feeling if they stink
        Huh. I always wondered why they chose to be disgusting. Worse than homeless people imo

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Incel here, also ex hobo. I fucking love bathing. Some nice bath bombs, some candles, some ambient or new age music, a long soak, and a good scrub.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Not bathing feels terrible to me, like I literally cannot fall asleep if I am not freshly showered. My skin gets all this itchiness if it isnt cleaned regularly

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        2 posters ITT, imagine being a brainlet like OP

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          kek, forgot about that lmao

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >don't try to rationalize based on some autistic stoic philosophy
        >Give me an answer but I won't accept any answers you give
        >if u were on a lone island would you care if you stink?
        Yeah, because even if no one else is around I can still smell it you fucking retard.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Get the idea
      Cross around the track
      Underneath the flank
      Of a thoroughbred racing chaser

      Get the feel
      As the rhythm flows
      Would you like to go
      And shoot the mountain masses?

      And here you stand no taller than the grass sees
      And should you really chase so hard
      The truth of sport plays rings around you

      Going for the one
      Going for the one

  2. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    >NEETs with welfare checks or parents money ask why people work

  3. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    But I'm gay. Or are you saying I'm secretly straight and in denial

  4. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Let me ask you all of you bloomers, if you knew for a fact, that no matter how much self-improvement you did your dating prospects would not increase, would you still do it?
    yes.
    t. 30 year old wizard who is still lifting, doing cardio, and losing weight.

  5. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    You speak of self improvement and then conflate it with wealth. You also reduce self improvement to a material level.
    Suppose you read a book on philosophy. That's self improvement and it won't get you laid. Yet many people do it for its' own sake.
    I tell you this as a pervert: you need to put the porn down

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

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      If you're fat or broke, I understand doing a small bit of self improvement just to make your life a bit more comfy, but I mostly agree with with you.

      >he found some 7/10 Beckie and my paradigm was broken until he told me that she rarely has sex with him and wants him to pay for everything LOOOOOL
      IDK how guys can stand to put up with this. I'm in a position right now where I could be a low grade betabux if I wanted to be, but my disinterest in that is probably very clear to women and so they show me no interest. I wouldn't even mind paying for simple dates like going to the movies, I just refuse to do any of the higher level betabux shit, at least not without having a ton of control in the relationship.

      >Suppose you read a book on philosophy. That's self improvement and it won't get you laid. Yet many people do it for its' own sake.

      Sure, that might improve your life and have a lot of value in it, but it isn't a long and strenuous process like weightlifting or making a lot of money which is implicit in the phrase "self improvement"

  6. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    I'm working on making a video game because I always wanted to.
    I'm doing music because I enjoy it.
    And I'm exercising because as I get older I'm starting to think about health and taking care of myself.

    I already know 100% I will be a wizard for the rest of my life.

  7. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Not 100% of motivation but a large part of it. I like money not only because it helps w/ women but I also like to eat at good restaurants and hate cooking, I want a big enough house for all my hobbies, I like expensive fast cars because they are fun (also help w/ girls), I like dressing nice, etc. I like LARPing too, which definitely doesnt help with girls but is fun. I just bought a PVS-14 night vision setup which ran me about $5000

  8. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    that guy you know is just a cuck how can you call being a relationship and not be intimate unless your a simp degenerate

  9. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Not even going to read past the subject line. I'm self-improving for self-defense readiness and back health. Stay mad.

  10. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    it's true. i self improov to gain more confidence with the end goal of putting my penis in a coochie hole

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