Medival court/chivalry culture is cringe


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Shit feels it was created by a woman

  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's what happens when a civilization becomes Christcucked.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Genuily wounder why? Chistianity is about God the Father, while paganism has a lot of female deities (Minerva, Cybele, Vesta)

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Christians saw women as being weak like pagans did, but they also thought that since women were weak that only meant they were in need of greater protection and love from men.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah it’s weird how Christians turned out to be such extreme romantics to those who had come before them

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Genuily wounder why? Chistianity is about God the Father, while paganism has a lot of female deities (Minerva, Cybele, Vesta)
        I think the difference is that the pagan goddesses felt more distant and otherworldly, while Mary and the female saint venerated by Catholics all used to be actual, real-life women from flesh and blood. This made men respect their women more.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is god really male? If yes, does he have a dong? If yes, how big it is? Please answer this is important to me

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Chistianity is about God the Father
        No it's about Jesus who is an incredibly feminized male archetype compared to the manly pagan deities.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I’ve noticed that modern men who worship Zeus like Gods do so because they are insecure about their masculinity and feel effeminate in the modern day so they think they can make up for it by worshipping a man with muscles.

          This is why as a woman I’m turned off by neopagan men. They come off as insecure about their manhood to me.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Christians do that shit with Jesus and Donald Trump and I've never met a single neopagan who worships Zeus. Male neopagans usually turn to things like Asatru and Odin was more like a wizard with a big beard than a muscly warrior

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      have sex

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        We are 4chin homosexual, we can talk all the shit we want about women and nobody will know know(basides FBI agent maybe)

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah the endless Crusades were so meek and effeminate

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Fourth Crusade was the epitome of feminine infighting. Imagine a pack of rapists lurking outside and between two women, one of them opens the door just to ruin the other woman. Boorish stupidity, spreading Christendom's legs wide open for the Turk cock.

        Only women engage in such petty infighting and Christianity is spiritual feminity.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Genuily wounder why? Chistianity is about God the Father, while paganism has a lot of female deities (Minerva, Cybele, Vesta)

      Gynocentrism is just what happens when you're not allowed to fuck boys anymore.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I’m not joking but that’s literally what Aristotle said

        > [...] and yet among the barbarians, a female and a slave are upon a level in the community, the reason for which is, that amongst them there are none qualified by nature to govern, therefore their society can be nothing but between slaves of different sexes. For which reason the poets say, it is proper for the Greeks to govern the barbarians, as if a barbarian and a slave were by nature one. (Politics, I,

        > So that in such a state riches will necessarily be in general esteem, particularly if the men are governed by their wives, which has been the case with many a brave and warlike people except the Celts, and those other nations, if there are any such, who openly practise pederasty

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Didn't the Ceasar wrote what father was still head of the household in celtic societies?

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Hey guys how about we don't rape women all the time and treat them with a modicum of respect.
    >LOOOOOOL CHRISTKEK

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >No it’s actually romantic that women cheat on their husbands with their true loves

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        What are you talking about?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >No it’s actually romantic that women cheat on their husbands they were sold off to without having a say in the matter with their true loves
        FTFY, also yes.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes how dare men venerate women for their virtue? They should treat them like shit and degrade them so they lose their self worth and turn toward the nubians.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      No? Chivalry cringy combination of objectification of women and humiliating practices for men, this is why I like nomadic cultures more

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Then get off the internet and go live in Mongolia, you fat fuck.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I am talking about medival culture, not modern globohomo time, where cultural identities are errasing

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They should treat them like shit and degrade them so they lose their self worth and turn toward the nubians.

      Women do this entirely of their own volition. The natural state of humanity is polygamy, 90% of women seek 10% of the men, the men who are kings and aristocrats and are perfectly willing to live comfortably in their harem.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        And yet you get 0 gals...
        Many such cases...

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Calm your periods, sister

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gynocentricism is an unavoidable consequence of christianity.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      That’s how it should be cause women are weaker

      > Cultural gynocentrism arose in Medieval Europe during a period cross-cultural influences and momentous changes in gendered customs. Beginning in the 12th century, European society birthed an intersection of Arabic poetry elevating and venerating women, aristocratic courting trends, the Marian cult, along with the imperial patronage of Eleanor of Aquitaine and her daughter Marie De Champagne who together crafted the military notion of chivalry into a notion of servicing ladies, a practice otherwise known as ‘courtly love.’

      > The primary elements of gynocentric culture, as we experience it today, are derived from practices originating in medieval society such as feudalism, chivalry and courtly love that continue to inform contemporary society in subtle ways. Such gynocentric patters constitute a “sexual feudalism,” as attested by female writers like Lucrezia Marinella who in 1600 AD recounted that women of lower socioeconomic classes were treated as superiors by men who acted as servants or beasts born to serve them, or by Modesta Pozzo who in 1590 wrote;

      > “don’t we see that men’s rightful task is to go out to work and wear themselves out trying to accumulate wealth, as though they were our factors or stewards, so that we can remain at home like the lady of the house directing their work and enjoying the profit of their labors? That, if you like, is the reason why men are naturally stronger and more robust than us — they need to be, so they can put up with the hard labor they must endure in our service.”

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Eleanor of Aquitaine and her daughter Marie De Champagne
        So this shit was really created by a woman, who would have guesed

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          You didn’t know courtly love first emerged in the court of Elenor of Aquitaine? She basically created it.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          As a woman, I admit that that I like it. I like the idea of a man being my servant and grovelling at my feet for love and approval. This is why I love the Middle Ages. Men in ancient times were kind of gay and preferred other men, but the Middle Ages was a completely heterosexual society where men preferred women above all.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >As a woman
            Post biological bobs and vegane

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You will never be a woman.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >> “don’t we see that men’s rightful task is to go out to work and wear themselves out trying to accumulate wealth, as though they were our factors or stewards, so that we can remain at home like the lady of the house directing their work and enjoying the profit of their labors? That, if you like, is the reason why men are naturally stronger and more robust than us — they need to be, so they can put up with the hard labor they must endure in our service.”
        hot

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          tiresome

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    women have dominated european society since the dawn of agriculture

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Holy fuck, they ressurected Gimbutas!

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        nope. she was also wrong. indo european society was also dominated by women

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Who the fuck gave Gimbutas money to continue her "studies"?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dawn of Agriculture? What makes you think that?

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm so tired of lazy people on this board. Read a fucking book. Hell, read a Wikipedia article.
    captcha:HHGAS

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >as a wom-ACK!

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      gem

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Coal

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          you are a piece of shit coal stfu tranny

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Chivalry was primarily about martial valor, how to conduct oneself as a knight. Christianity inherited its sex-aversion from its Greek paternity, not its israeli, which is actually a rather lusty religion.

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Medival court/chivalry culture is cringe
    >Shit feels it was created by a woman
    It partially was. Two of the big early patrons of chivalric literature were Eleanor of Aquitaine and her daughter, Marie of France. Check out Leon Gautier's "On Chivalry" if you want a slightly earlier, and less "courtly love" take on chivalry in the middle ages.

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Actual useful reply: Women have always held a larger amount of personal freedom in European culture compared to semitic ones. Most importantly more rights to decide who they marry.
    If a woman has the right to select for a man, men will start to compete to be a high value male. Hence the European focus on courtship, youth, artistry etc.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Women have always held a larger amount of personal freedom in European culture compared to semitic ones
      Doubt so, Romans and Greeks(except Sparta maybe) had Taliban-tier laws on women statuss

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        No they had not.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Greco-Romans were very patriarchal

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Roman women didn't even have names, homosexual.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Greeks did, but not Romans. Roman women were known to be extremely political active, influencing their male relatives anyway they could.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >only the 0.1% of Roman women connected to powerful officials could have any kind of influence, and even then it was informally
          AKA they had no real power at all. This sort of power is normal in every society, even Muslim ones. Rome just stands out a bit more because it had more powerful positions and thus there were more who could (minimally) influenced politics. For every Livia you get ten Julia who just got married off, fucked off to have kids and died.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Roman women had far more power and influence than their Greek counterparts. I’m reminded of Commodus’ Concubine.

        > After Commodus' wife Bruttia Crispina was exiled and murdered due to adultery, Commodus chose not to marry again and took Marcia as his concubine.[3] Marcia had Christian sympathies and persuaded Commodus to adopt a policy in favor of Christians, and kept close relations with Victor, Bishop of Rome.[2] After Pope Victor I gave her a list she had asked for including all of the Christians sentenced to mine works in Sardinia, she convinced Commodus to allow them to return to Rome.[2][4] The future Pope Callistus was among those released, although he did not return to Rome but remained at Antium, where he received a monthly pension from the Roman Christians

        > Despite the fact that Marcia was not Commodus' legal wife, he treated her like one and was thus greatly influenced by her. The inscription found in Anagnia testifies that the local city council decided to build a monument, commemorating particularly the restoration of baths on her account.

        (1/2)

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          > To celebrate the Roman New Year in AD 192, Commodus decided he wanted to make an appearance before the Roman people not from the palace in traditional purple robes, but from the gladiator's barracks, escorted by the rest of the gladiators. After telling his plan to Marcia the night before, she begged him not to behave so carelessly and bring disgrace. Commodus, upset by Marcia's reaction, then told his plan to Aemilius Laetus, the Praetorian prefect, and Eclectus, his servant. After they, too, tried to dissuade him, he became furious and put their three names on a proscribed list of people to be executed the next morning, along with prominent senators.[2]

          > While Commodus was taking a bath, his favorite servant boy found the tablet on which the list was written and ran into Marcia while holding the tablet.[2][5] Marcia took it from him, thinking she was protecting a document from potentially being ruined, and in horror saw her name at the top of the list. According to Herodian, she cried out, "Well done, indeed, Commodus. This is fine return for the kindness and affection I have lavished on you and for the drunken insults which I have endured from you all these years. A fuddled drunkard is not going to get the better of a sober woman".[2]

          > She met with Laetus and Eclectus, and the three of them decided they had to kill Commodus in order to save their own lives. Usually Marcia would give the emperor his first drink after his bath so he could have the pleasure of drinking from his lover's hand. It was easy, then, for her to mix poison into the wine. After drinking the wine, he became so ill that his vomiting would not cease. The three conspirators were afraid he would vomit up all the poison, so they ordered Narcissus, a young athlete, to strangle Commodus for a large reward.

          (2/2)

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    its part of feudal culture, where you're a servant to your superiors, including noblewomen. chivalric literature is almost always asexual, because noblemen didnt want to worry about knights fucking their ladies while they were away on errands

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Romantic themes and "love conquers all" come from the Arab world, and were imported during the crusades.

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Courtly love is a bit complicated. It's kind of a fusion of a few different ideas of love, none of which are native to France or even Western Europe.

    So those ideas of love are, respectively:

    -Love for love's sake, which is the idea that love on it's own is enough reason to to pursue the whole thing which also handily sidesteps the idea of being morally wrong to be in love with someone who's married to somebody else.

    -Exaltation of the Beloved Lad, which pretty much treats the lady involved as your personal goddess. Think Princess Bride's "as you wish" for an example of how that works.

    -The ennobling power of love, the idea that being in love makes you more noble, or like, spiritually enlightened or something.

    -And love is desire never to be fulfilled, the idea that courtly love can't really go anywhere. You just gotta stay in an eternal state of mutual pining until one of you dies or the whole thing goes public and falls apart.

    Now, one of the reasons why courtly love was showing up in France around this time was that the First Crusade had just wrapped up and all the French Crusaders were coming home, bringing some very interesting cultural ideas back with them. Also, the Reconquista was in full swing, causing a similar cultural bleed into France from Muslim Spain. This is relevant all four of these courtly love elements can be easily traced back to contemporary to Islamic and Arabic notions of love. Love for love's sake and Exaltation of the Beloved Lady are both themes of Arabic literature in the 9th and 10th century while the the ennobling power of love is discussed in length by Avicenna in his early 11th century treatise on love and love is desire never to be fulfilled is a major theme in Arabic poetry as well as the general idea that love is something that completes a person and is basically a form of enlightenment, which also shows up in courtly love.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Great post anon. I read about these ideas years ago in Denis de Rougemont’s Love in the Western World. Are there any more recent books that explore the Islamic spiritual connection to courtly love? Troubadour poetry derived partly from Arabic sources was a mode of transmission and there’s an unbroken lineage from that in western music, echoing faintly in every pop song of some guy longing for his beloved.

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    When your most important metanarrative is about a woman getting knocked up apart from a cock cumming inside her cunt, you fetishize the Madonna. That and troubadours.

    The desexualization of motherhood was the beginning of female participation in politics.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      What are you talking about? Women in Christianity can even be saved through child bearing lol

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >child bearing lol
        Keypoint is "desexualization of motherhood".

        Christian culture says "childbearing is good" but does not go graphic about it. Christian politicians rail against education about reproduction. It parallels the virginity of Mary in that people are trying to talk about babies without the necessary biological act of fucking. Compare this to a Hindu temple openly depicting fucking.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Compare this to a Hindu temple openly depicting fucking.
          T b h the modern Hindus got mind-broken by Victorian morality in 19th century. You won't see a temple like this being built today.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not only does this not address the other guy's point at all, it helps to prove it.

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Simping and being a cuck is very christian, just ask Joseph.

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Chivalry is just waifu worship IRL. It's cringe.

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