Not OP, but even in the menswear community, Kirby is known to be one of the most stiff and conservative dressers. I think it suits him, honestly, but I definitely wouldn’t wear what he wears.
It really is the hat that goes a bit too far. Why? Because it’s anachronistic so it comes off as larpy. Nobody serious wears hats like that anywhere anymore. Not even elderly people or wealthy people. Maybe in the seventies you could find a few older silent generation people sporting them seriously but in 2022 not even the boomers wear hats like this (I’m sure you can find *someone*, like this guy..but I mean there aren’t large groups of people anywhere as a trend), not even highly conservative boomers. It’s like a woman wearing a bustle in the 20th century. I’m not sure if it’s possible to bring a fashion like this back but it would have to be organic, like on a street level where most new fashions sprout. Combine the hat with the umbrella/cane and it’s a total larp. Might as well be putting on a costume.
Yeah but if you’re wearing a suit (or even a sports jacket) wearing a plain old baseball cap is gonna ruin the whole look. Like the other reply says, it’s genuinely hard to pair a hat that compliments more formal styled clothing. I also hate that hats became a "thing of the past" because of some unspoken societal bullshit, and anyone wearing anything more than a baseball cap is considered a LARP. The only thing really wrong with OP pic is the cane, unless it’s actually an umbrella. At no point should you ever use a cane unless you absolutely need one just to be able to walk around.
I agree with how you feel about the hat (that it shouldn’t be this way) but it is what it is. Even if it’s a practical piece of clothing with a real use, if you are the only person wearing it you will still look like your are larping. You simply can not wear a hat with that suit unless you want to look like you are wearing a costume. Maybe you are trend setter but it’s very hard to pull this off since this was recently made totally obsolete in the past few decades. I suspect dress shoes will be on their way out in the next few decades also. If, suddenly, it became hip to wear hats and suits and it became cool to do this and marketing people got wind of it and started pushing it in advertising and films and you went outside and saw real people wearing hats like this to work and on dates, etc, then the lens we see this guy through would change entirely and it wouldn’t occur to anyone that he looks like a larping dork. Similarly, if suddenly everyone started dressing hyper-fancy and conservative and anachronistic, like wearing wigs and stockings, this dude would look like shit. Fashion is all relative. To a tribesman who lives in the jungle of Africa he probably would look like a space alien. My point is that he isn’t even dressed “conservative” for 2022, dressing conservative for 2022 would mean maintaining conservative dress while simultaneously not deviating from todays norms.
Well said, but I hope sneakers aren’t going to overtake dress shoes in menswear. It completely breaks the silhouette and makes breaks in the trousers seem off.
It probably will and in many ways already has. I live in NYC and other than lawyers and a few other contexts almost all professionals wear suit pants with conservative black sneakers. They are almost exclusively worn in court, at job interviews and at weddings and things like that. This is how fashions fade. They slowly move to "special occasion only", then it becomes "special occasion optional" then nobody wears it anymore. I strongly suspect that the men’s dress shoe will be a thing of the past by 2050. Then I suspect that the tie will be made obsolete later on towards the end of the century. I’m sure the collared shirt will stick around, as will pants and probably fade out also sometime during the 2100’s and be replaced by whatever modern wear they are using at that time, maybe comfortable sweat pants and sweatshirts or something, who knows.
>hip to wear hats and suits
There are some vintage enthusiasts and hipsters that do this, as well as a few of the more normal types that occasionally if not habitually wear one, but they mostly just accept it as a specific look, hobby, or eccentricity that is not normal, anyhow.
This was sort of a trend in the early 2000’s if memory serves me, but it failed to launch. I suspect it’s because it didn’t arise from a culturally acceptable place, mostly upper-middle class college kids studying art, social sciences, philosophy and literature. It actually did cause a blip for a few years but didn’t gain cultural traction because it was too niche. Usually these sorts of trends begin in rough neighborhoods and spread out wide among the lower-middle classes and are picked up and carried by marketing and mass media. There comes a point where you see the younger generations (the better looking generations) wearing something AND you see it in mass media, movies, advertisements, etc…It registers as mentally "normalized" and culturally cutting edge and more and more people are willing to take a chance and wear it.
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> They are almost exclusively worn in court, at job interviews and at weddings and things like that.
I forgot to add here that you will find some exceptions to this, it’s definitely not an exclusive thing, it’s a changing situation that isn’t black and white, it’s a slowly receding thing is my point, not a cut and dry thing. There are a few wealthy businessmen who will wear expensive shoes to show off their wealth to one another, maybe some gay businessmen and autistic people who are into fashion, but in general it’s almost always people over 40 years old. And that makes perfect sense! When people who are now 40 and older were growing up, that’s what all business professionals wore with pants, they wore dress shoes. I think Zuckerberg really helped pave the way for this new attitude of not caring as much about dress and more about comfort and productivity. Whether he adopted it or not is not relevant it was perceived as such by the masses.
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>almost all professionals wear suit pants with conservative black sneakers
clown world
Anonymous says:
>hip to wear hats and suits
There are some vintage enthusiasts and hipsters that do this, as well as a few of the more normal types that occasionally if not habitually wear one, but they mostly just accept it as a specific look, hobby, or eccentricity that is not normal, anyhow.
Ya, there are niches in fashion, and classic menswear is one of them, but I think the hipster suit thing is a different movement, with a different audience, approach, and lifestyle associated with it.
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While I agree with completely and think he would have looked better just showing his hair. Pulling off headwear in a suit is hard. It’s very easy to come off as LARPy when you just want some shade.
The hat still has a place in the big city, and the countryside, but it would be even more unusual almost anywhere in between. He’s in London, I think he could wear something like that there more effectively than in many places.
shouldn’t you be scrolling through tiktok or something?
swag is for boys real men have class
Not OP, but even in the menswear community, Kirby is known to be one of the most stiff and conservative dressers. I think it suits him, honestly, but I definitely wouldn’t wear what he wears.
>it suits him
Jacket is half size wider in shoulders
he looks good
classic suits usually had wider shoulders
>classic suits usually had wider shoulders
And this classic suit is half a size large
Not really, looks pretty tailored to me, let me guess you are one of those people who wears skinny fit suits right?
>looks pretty tailored
Yes. With hecked up shoulders.
>what is a silhouette
gay.
>Oh no my jacket shoulders do not sit close to my non-existent delts. How do I pretend that I have muscle now?
Tasteless gay.
Yeah don’t you know you’re not /fashion/ if your clothes aren’t skin tight like how homosexuals wear leather in BDSM clubs
too tight round the waist, too
>What is extended shoulder?
>What is silhouette?
Lemme guess? A well-fitting suit for you is skin tight?
That anon has only bought from H&M and Suit Supply. Don’t except him to know much.
>What is silhouette?
A shape with hecked up shoulders definitely.
Why did I look?
His has a 3 colored palette which is clown tier.
Also shoulders are too wide.
Autists who go full menswear are as hecking cringy as tiktok eboy zoomer shit.
Gentleman’s gazette gay is unbearable to watch.
at least the zoomers are hot
terrible tie
kirby is so hecking cringy in everything he does i had to block all his channels so i’d stop seeing them recommended for me everywhere
He can’t possibly be worse than the pudgy German
The hat is bad and I don’t really like double-breasted suits. He would look better with a 2-button since it’d flow better with his long neck.
It really is the hat that goes a bit too far. Why? Because it’s anachronistic so it comes off as larpy. Nobody serious wears hats like that anywhere anymore. Not even elderly people or wealthy people. Maybe in the seventies you could find a few older silent generation people sporting them seriously but in 2022 not even the boomers wear hats like this (I’m sure you can find *someone*, like this guy..but I mean there aren’t large groups of people anywhere as a trend), not even highly conservative boomers. It’s like a woman wearing a bustle in the 20th century. I’m not sure if it’s possible to bring a fashion like this back but it would have to be organic, like on a street level where most new fashions sprout. Combine the hat with the umbrella/cane and it’s a total larp. Might as well be putting on a costume.
Yeah but if you’re wearing a suit (or even a sports jacket) wearing a plain old baseball cap is gonna ruin the whole look. Like the other reply says, it’s genuinely hard to pair a hat that compliments more formal styled clothing. I also hate that hats became a "thing of the past" because of some unspoken societal bullshit, and anyone wearing anything more than a baseball cap is considered a LARP. The only thing really wrong with OP pic is the cane, unless it’s actually an umbrella. At no point should you ever use a cane unless you absolutely need one just to be able to walk around.
I agree with how you feel about the hat (that it shouldn’t be this way) but it is what it is. Even if it’s a practical piece of clothing with a real use, if you are the only person wearing it you will still look like your are larping. You simply can not wear a hat with that suit unless you want to look like you are wearing a costume. Maybe you are trend setter but it’s very hard to pull this off since this was recently made totally obsolete in the past few decades. I suspect dress shoes will be on their way out in the next few decades also. If, suddenly, it became hip to wear hats and suits and it became cool to do this and marketing people got wind of it and started pushing it in advertising and films and you went outside and saw real people wearing hats like this to work and on dates, etc, then the lens we see this guy through would change entirely and it wouldn’t occur to anyone that he looks like a larping dork. Similarly, if suddenly everyone started dressing hyper-fancy and conservative and anachronistic, like wearing wigs and stockings, this dude would look like shit. Fashion is all relative. To a tribesman who lives in the jungle of Africa he probably would look like a space alien. My point is that he isn’t even dressed “conservative” for 2022, dressing conservative for 2022 would mean maintaining conservative dress while simultaneously not deviating from todays norms.
Well said, but I hope sneakers aren’t going to overtake dress shoes in menswear. It completely breaks the silhouette and makes breaks in the trousers seem off.
It probably will and in many ways already has. I live in NYC and other than lawyers and a few other contexts almost all professionals wear suit pants with conservative black sneakers. They are almost exclusively worn in court, at job interviews and at weddings and things like that. This is how fashions fade. They slowly move to "special occasion only", then it becomes "special occasion optional" then nobody wears it anymore. I strongly suspect that the men’s dress shoe will be a thing of the past by 2050. Then I suspect that the tie will be made obsolete later on towards the end of the century. I’m sure the collared shirt will stick around, as will pants and probably fade out also sometime during the 2100’s and be replaced by whatever modern wear they are using at that time, maybe comfortable sweat pants and sweatshirts or something, who knows.
This was sort of a trend in the early 2000’s if memory serves me, but it failed to launch. I suspect it’s because it didn’t arise from a culturally acceptable place, mostly upper-middle class college kids studying art, social sciences, philosophy and literature. It actually did cause a blip for a few years but didn’t gain cultural traction because it was too niche. Usually these sorts of trends begin in rough neighborhoods and spread out wide among the lower-middle classes and are picked up and carried by marketing and mass media. There comes a point where you see the younger generations (the better looking generations) wearing something AND you see it in mass media, movies, advertisements, etc…It registers as mentally "normalized" and culturally cutting edge and more and more people are willing to take a chance and wear it.
> They are almost exclusively worn in court, at job interviews and at weddings and things like that.
I forgot to add here that you will find some exceptions to this, it’s definitely not an exclusive thing, it’s a changing situation that isn’t black and white, it’s a slowly receding thing is my point, not a cut and dry thing. There are a few wealthy businessmen who will wear expensive shoes to show off their wealth to one another, maybe some gay businessmen and autistic people who are into fashion, but in general it’s almost always people over 40 years old. And that makes perfect sense! When people who are now 40 and older were growing up, that’s what all business professionals wore with pants, they wore dress shoes. I think Zuckerberg really helped pave the way for this new attitude of not caring as much about dress and more about comfort and productivity. Whether he adopted it or not is not relevant it was perceived as such by the masses.
>almost all professionals wear suit pants with conservative black sneakers
clown world
>hip to wear hats and suits
There are some vintage enthusiasts and hipsters that do this, as well as a few of the more normal types that occasionally if not habitually wear one, but they mostly just accept it as a specific look, hobby, or eccentricity that is not normal, anyhow.
Ya, there are niches in fashion, and classic menswear is one of them, but I think the hipster suit thing is a different movement, with a different audience, approach, and lifestyle associated with it.
While I agree with completely and think he would have looked better just showing his hair. Pulling off headwear in a suit is hard. It’s very easy to come off as LARPy when you just want some shade.
The hat still has a place in the big city, and the countryside, but it would be even more unusual almost anywhere in between. He’s in London, I think he could wear something like that there more effectively than in many places.
He and Hugo Jacomet give the best advices, if you want to learn about CM in detail I wouldn’t look further.
I love how confidently Hugo wears those huge lapels. Very few men could pull that off.
Yes, and unfortunately Hugo isn’t one of them.
Lol, how would recommend Hugo improve his style?
My first suggestion would be to cut his hecking hair
WM Brown is where is at, Kirby is just Sven but white.
I thought Sven was white
He’s Brazilian born in Germany