Lit bros. We won.
As a philosophyfag I had a deep sigh of relief when I didn't find philosophy there. Even biofags regret their major more than us kek.
That's "liberal arts" you were probably combined with History, African Studies, and Gender Studies
As far as I know "liberal arts" is a separate major that has a combination of different humanities and sciences.
isnt "liberal arts" the catch all over catagory of that stuff though? like the "liberal arts department" would include phil, his, etc.
No, some universities have a general degree that is called liberal arts or general studies. Philosophy can be part of such degree, but the degree has no such emphasis. As I understand it, you mix and match classes and complete gen eds to the satisfaction of your advisor.
It's "liberal arts/general studies," so basically doing a liberal arts degree without an actual specification.
If it was an umbrella for all liberal arts degrees then "English language + literature" would be part of that.
Philosophy in my country has a ~85% placement rate. Feels comfy.
Philosophychads will never stop winning
Why would you ever wanna major in Philosophy? Philosophy is a fun thing to do on the side. Majoring in it is cringe.
Its a solid major for people that just want to stay in the cradle of Academia forever, alongside History and English. There's a ton of extant material for teaching and developing critique of (read: masturbating to).
I just can't bring myself to care about anything else. If I weren't studying philosophy, there isn't much I would have liked to do.
I'm autistic retard with high viq low everything else and this is the highest income major income that lends itself to that
Philosophyfags have no regret due to their sophisticated method of copiums
Phil graduates make some of the biggest cash out of the humanities.
Isn't this like common knowledge.
I'm surprised medicine and biology are as high up there as they are. Anyone care to explain why this is?
I remember dating a biologist girl who was pretty miserable and having trouble finding a job, but I didn't know there was a pattern.
Many more students than applicable job openings due to very low turnover. Means you'll need to hoof those student loans while taking unpaid internships to even get a foot in the door at any major employer. Also, labs fucking suck and its all you'll do most of your career across a lot of disciplines. Softer disciplines that aren't job focused are largely completely useless or are being automated/digitized/outsourced.
>Softer disciplines that aren't job focused
Biology is a bad combination of student and job prospects. Students: sensitive souls who liked butterflies growing up and drew horses in their notebooks. Job prospects: ruthless competition for a small number of jobs at soul sucking corporate labs
Sounds rough...then again usually low IQ atheists are biology majors
Biology Bachelor's, prepare to work as a lab tech. Gotta have at least a Master's degree to get the jobs everyone wants.
Because working in medicine is a horrible, thankless task. Most people think you make so much money, but to get to that point is difficult and the job itself is terrible. A lot of people study medicine because their parents want them to as well, maybe that plays a part? For lots of people it's great, but for lots it is not.
Medicine has gotten fucked over and while it still has some social status and tends to have decent to good wages and career prospects, the toll of bureaucracy and assembly line medicine means there’s little meaning and a ton of stress with the job. Idyllic ideas of family practice docs or “doing good” are dead. It’s industrial warehousing of bodies. Docs get maybe 15 minutes with a patient and don’t have time to form connections or do proper anamnesis. Everything revolves around hastily guessed diagnoses and pushing pills on patients and then assuming it worked unless the patient comes back to complain.
Biology is too broad. It is encompasses all off plants, microbiology, physiology, genetics, ecology and some bioinformatics in one. Then you specialize in a smaller area later. This causes you to follow a bunch of stuff that just doesn't matter and a lot of people will have less interest in pretty big areas of their degree. They will also often be less specialized in areas then full degrees which are far more focused on one of those. Things like biotechnology for microbiology and genetics, bioinformatics for the whole computational branch or agrotechnology or plant science for plants is far better than just doing biology. It is also one of those studies like law, economics or business which people choose if they don't know what they want to do. It also doesn't help a bunch of girls specialize in things like ecology, again because cute animals, which is pretty useless.
If I had to guess either zero jobs, or people that thought they wanted to be a doctor realizing they didn’t or couldn’t and now have a worthless premed type degree.
Stress, during exam season, med students have the highest suicide rates.
suicidal thoughts*, fuck.
Girl I know did biomed but didn't end up getting a related job. Just worked retail for a few years then went back for another science degree but specialising in radiology or something
Think she is going to have better luck? She is 30 next year and her bf who she has been with since she was 24 still hasn't proposed either. So I don't know what the plan is considering she still has 2 more years of her degree. Then if she is lucky to finally get a related job by the time she is 33 or 34? But when is her bf going to propose for her to start a family? Is she going to have wasted the employers time and fucking them over by getting married and getting pregnant shortly after finally getting a radiology job? If she does, will she go back immediately or was going for that degree just awaste of time and effort?
I feel kind of bad tbh because she is middle eastern and dating a white guy. And I think he whole family is wondering why TF they aren't married yet. She probably already gave the pussy up too to him (i rmembered her posting some article a few years ago about sex releasing endorphins) so I'm guessing white guy doesn't feel he needs to get married anymore? She is also not as hot as she used to and starting to lose her looks and body
I know a similar situation. Ethnic girl throws everything at white guy. He gets attached to situation but can't get out because she's not marriage material but hes addicted to the sex.
>late 20s-to-early 30s females hitting a dead end in life after failing to get married and putting their college education to use
many such cases, i might even say too many
As a current bio student (not terribly far along mind you), most of my peers seek to not really be all that into biology and they're just doing it because it seemed like the most fun STEM subject. Few of them really seem too psyched about research papers, cell mechanics and biochemistry.
In other words, fucking normies get out of my field REEE
>i remember dating
You meant to say you were in an unlawful relationship to fornicate. Just because you hide your illicit actions and disguise them with elegant words doesn't make them right. This is like saying you remember "borrowing" something that you stole, or "expiring" someone that you murdered. You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. Repent zoomer or your sins will drag you to hell. Just because it is legal according to man's laws, doesn't make it right with God. He views and chastises all mortal sins equally and with eternal punishment.
>The sinner shall watch the just man: and shall gnash upon him with his teeth.
>But the Lord shall laugh at him: for he foreseeth that his day shall come.
Chill out bro we didn't even fuck. Just cuddled naked a few times.
Lots of students, not enough jobs
In my country PhDs holders are underpaid and no one can have a stable job until they're 35
People literally work retail after their masters
It's the same thing as philosophy degrees and law school. A lot of people take the biosci track to become doctors, but getting into med school is hard, especially if you're the average biosci major who goes to an average school, gets a 3.0 gpa, and parties for 4 years with no extracurriculars/ internships/ volunteering/ relevant medical experience. So you get passed over in favor of the Nigerian with a 4.0 and an immigrant sob story or the girl who worked as an EMT while in CC, and you're left with a degree in an oversaturated field with no real job prospects,.
biology has no jobs
medical has jobs that wear your spirit to dust
It's a lot of work and at the end of the day I'd rather live humbly and have more free time for friends and family
>falling for academia pyramid scheme vanity degree mill
If you went to university and come out unable to do triple bypass heart surgery or build nuclear reactors, congratulations, you branded yourself with a retard brand. You are a low iq person. No matter what the facebook test says, you know the one where everyone is 110. You fell for the 80 iq trap.
Enjoy being filtered out of real economy. Have fun minwaging in the hr, fast food, or adult daycare office at pseudojobs where you lose 50% of income on day 1 to rent and other 50% to taxes. You will now die as subhuman cattle, permanently filtered out of self employed aristocracies who have marketable skills and can just set up offshore holding companies and bid on billion dollar contracts.
Someone’s mad they spent 10+ years doing their PhD and still earn less than an e-thot selling nudes on OnlyFans
average engineering students get 6 digits part time internships before they even graduate tho
you dont need a phd if you studied the correct degree
aerospace industry for example is bigger than most other sectors of the economy while employing less than 1% of the workforce
and you also get to love your job
>average engineering students get 6 digits part time internships before they even graduate tho
NTA but duh, that's where all the good schools are. (You did go to a good school didn't you?)
My dad makes $500k+ a year building kitchens for richfags
Imagine being an engineer holy fuck lmfao
>undergrads can do heart surgery and generate power from fission
Why are people who use the words "real economy" in a sentence such ignorant retards who fixate on nuclear reactors?
>NNNNOOOO you can't graduate with a History and Economics degree and then work for an investment bank thanks to family connections!
Lol have fun spending 9 years in medical school or whatever
There is no way you are not a NEET
>STEMtrash actually think they aren't factory worker tier peasants
this nigga really thinks he's part of the ruling class with his PMC salary holy fuck ahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahhhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahhaha
>self employed aristocracies
Yes, everybody knows the self employed nuclear engineers and heart surgeons
Stop being so passive aggressive and say what you mean you fucking flattened featureless homosexual.
You mean "I hope you're miserable."
Why would you hope that anon?
No matter if you became king, emperor, or God, ceaselessly would you have the soul of a livestock farmer.
I'm a history major and I refuse to believe we didn't make the top 10.
Pretty sad to see education up there.
Education is a terrible discipline and not necessary to get a job as a schoolteacher
In Michigan it is. You have to have an education related degree to be certified.
Who the fuck even goes for libarts degree?
>yes, I'm going to need 6-7 years of education to learn how to ...enjoy reading
If you're not in uni for STEM you're wasting everyone's time
Universities used to be more well rounded, before they dumbed them down. Having an actual quality liberal arts education is not a waste of time at all. It's just that a liberal arts education now is garbage.
Only the top 1% of people can do something they like and make money. You must get a job you won't care for. Engineering, something technology related, etc.
The problem is the jobs and especially careers are not there. I can count the number of peers under 35 who have managed to establish themselves in any sort of career on one hand.
>mfw psychology major
Ummm anon… fellow psych bachelor holder here… our major falls under liberal arts and sciences
No it doesn't. Liberal arts is its own major. See:
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Psych is still awful though.
Do we have a bottom 10 most regretted majors list?
I'm about to get out of the military and get that sweet sweet free university, and I was planning on going into either political science to go abroad or urban planning.
>I was planning on going into either political science to go abroad or urban planning.
You really hate yourself, don't you?
If I hated myself I would be doing STEM.
Stemchads like their jobs much more than the average (code monkeys aren't stem).
They don’t lmao, STEMbugs hate their jobs because they’re only in it for the money
>only in it for the money
Have you ever had a job? Or rather, needed one? Getting paid is pretty important.
No? Have you ever set foot in an electronics office or manufacture? Chemical engineering? Applied mathematics?
They are relatively comfy jobs all things considered. Especially now that "working from home" is normalized for all but the lower level lab rats.
>they’re only in it for the money
The fact that we're propelled to the comfy class even doing the minimum is certainly a bonus but those working in industry would have been paid more recycling their skills for an insurance company.
I quit my last engineering job because everybody there was working 10+ hour days and ruining their health to meet the retarded demands of our pajeet boss who got the general managership job due to an in with the pajeets who bought the factory. This was a historically rural American large equipment manufacturer.
Job before that was nice but I got laid off along with some others specifically because management couldn‘t keep up with other companies who weren‘t sociopaths without adopting sociopathic practices. Job before that was a yuppie larp where everybody who had 5+ years with the company just made sales and pawned the work off on the recent grad eager to start a career and willing to do inordinate work with inordinate stress.
Getting an EE degree was the biggest mistake of my life only slightly redeemed by that it gave me enough fallback money that now I can just be a security guard and read several hours of the working day.
If you got another chance, what STEM degree would you choose instead?
I'm getting real sick of Indians coming here and taking our best jobs
stemcels are the most miserable people I've ever encountered outside of the top 1%
He’s a low-IQ zogbot, what did you expect?
Can I get a response to this question that isn't just resentment and spite from an insecure asian, please? I'm open to considering other majors/fields but I'd prefer to stay away from sheerly corporate or office jobs. My ideal is in the intersection between liberal arts and real material work. I've considered law as well, but working as an attorney seems like hell and I know nothing about the non-representational side of the field.
>for people who don't know what "science" means
The two things you can do with that are 1) become a local government bureaucrat approving blueprints all day or 2) work for a real estate developer planning out new soulless housing estates. Money is pretty decent tho, depending where you are.
What would you recommend as an alternative, then?
Not the person you are replying to, but my brother majored in urban planning. He is currently working at a university, planning new builds and stuff like that. It's not a horrible major, if you are competent and capable.
That sounds exactly like something I'd like to do. In my understanding the field is split roughly been practical (government planning approvers and developer planners) and theoretical (more similar to what your brother does). I'd more like to be on the theoretical side.
There's still a lot of practical stuff that goes into what he goes, like seeking municipal approval for certain things. And you will have to be able to deal with a fair amount of bureaucracy if you plan to work in any form of urban planning, unless the job is entirely theoretical. But honestly, you can make a good living of it. Since he works for a university, they helped pay for his masters degree as well. Not a bad gig.
If you want to get your hands dirty but also draft academic papers then it's going to be STEM (especially civil engineering in your case), medicine, or something low-paying and stressful like archaeology or geology. Maybe Forestry/Forest Management?
Personally I'm in law and it's not too bad, but that's probably because I'm borderline autistic about torts and personal injury.
Honest-to-God journalism major here and yeah, kinda regret it. I actually work in the field but there's not much of an advantage you gain from it. Any other trained monkey can do my job and all I've done was pigeonhole my career prospects while I would have had a broader horizon if I went into any other arts degree. And with fewer journalism jobs around, you're either going into something entirely different or just marketing and content writing.
You could consider law school.
So does that mean you're a journalist? If so, can you explain how someone becomes a journalist without a journalism degree?
learn ap style and message editors at your local paper with story ideas
Or literally just start interviewing people and pítch your findings to media outlets.
I studied economics. I have many regrets about college, but the field is not one.
I'm biz management
honestly just feels pointless
I really don't feel like I've learned much over the course of my """studies"""
Honestly, I think business management is a good bit more pointless than economics. You should switch if you still can. If you want to just vaguely work in business or be an entrepreneur, economics is probably the best choice.
it's way too late, buddy, I'm in my last semester
beside that I absolutely do NOT want to work in """business"""
I just chose this major since my mom wanted me to go to college
I'm much more of a liberal arts guy, history and whatnot, but it's not like those sorts of degrees would be useful either.
No, it's not too late. It's never too late to change your degree. Please understand that a degree is like a biographical tattoo. As long as you've not yet graduated, you can change it to get a better degree, or better tattoo. But once you graduated with a bad degree, a bad tattoo, it will stay there and you won't be able to rub it off. Give yourself a few years to go somewhere else and do something else for a few years if you're not sure what might be worthwhile, and when you come back with a better idea what to stamp yourself with, it will only take you maybe another year to do it, which in your twenties, will end up looking like the blink of an eye. You might even be able to upgrade and go to a better school. Continuing to get a shitty degree from a shitty school is just a mistake.
well I mean it's not that shitty of a school or degree. either way if I want to go back to college, having my management bachelor's won't hurt me. hell if I went to the same school (or someplace which accepted its credits) I figure I could have all my gen ed accounted for. plus I took minors in history and french and those could transfer into a number of subjects I'm more interested in (history, linguistics, etc)
the biggest thing for me is that I often feel like too much of my subject matter is stuff that feels extremely common sense. perhaps it's just hindsight and I really have learned a lot, but it definitely doesn't feel that way.
either way I'll have my good boy sticker so it'll help me get a job, even if I haven't learned a thing.
I disagree based on my experience but I also realize you aren't going to take my advice so I'll just say I wish you good luck and hope things work out.
I mean I'll take any advice into consideration, but stopping when I'm three weeks away from graduation would seem awfully silly, wouldn't it?
I suppose you might say that the degree I get could reflect on me in the future, but if need be I can just not mention it, should I ever meet someone who's especially biased against business management majors.
I still think the best strategy is to go to the best school you can and get the best degree you can, but everyone has to do what they think is best at the time in the end.
I'm also planning to switch to economics but I don't care at all for the field and don't know what fulfilling jobs I can have with that degree. But I need to finish college with something of worth so I'll roll with it for these 2 years.
>have physics degree
>hundreds of options for well-paying jobs
>refuse to apply for most of them because they contribute to a souless bugman system.
I hate the antichrist so fucking much.
Unless you're painting, writing poetry, sculpting, or some other sort of traditional art, then you're working within a soulless system no matter what you do or what you study.
I think there is a difference between things that are corrupted by the modern world but are good in principle, e.g. medicine, and things that are just rotten to the core, e.g. finance.
I don't see why you suppose finance is inherently rotten or medicine inherently good. Many financiers finance good and necessary things and many doctors write terrible prescriptions that do a lot of harm.
In the sense that healing the sick is inherently good, except maybe people who are so sick that keeping them alive is pointless. An individual doctor might be corrupt but the field itself has a noble cause. Finance is the opposite. A individual investor might finance good causes, but the global finacial system is out of control. It's educated gambling at best, and parasitic at worst. However, I will admit that maybe I'm being too harsh because I'm sick of job website sending me emails about finance jobs despite me never showing any interest in them.
hell yeah ted
and yet you still gave money to a souless bugman system for your degree?
damn kid you're so deep
If I could go back in time and make my teenage self read techno-skeptic writers I would, but unfortunately my degree never taught me how to build a time machine.
What about law
Just from experience it seems like most college students regret their studies in general. I have no idea why it’s still seen as a necessity for everyone to go to college when they turn 18. We all know how unbelievably fucked the academic system is, how downwardly mobile younger generations are, how difficult it is to obtain a valuable job if you’re not STEM, how much easier it is to just go to community college or learn a trade, etc. But none of that matters it seems. Normies are still choosing a lifetime of student debt and mediocrity because having a special piece of paper is really important to them. They complain so much about the university system but still attend them.
I work in education and have a lot of time to think and read about these things. My conclusion is that liberal society overvalues what it calls "education" to a huge degree because it perpetuates liberal society.
Precisely this. Liberal education is obedience training, and you are incentivized to signal your degree of obedience training to a huge degree - though behind the curtain of the ethos its all just a debt mill, as all of liberal society is ultimately a bent of capitalist materialism.
The Prussian Model is a disaster.
Well, it's socialization, isn't it? The people with the best outcomes are the people who can socialize their way through particular circles and relationships in elite schools, and not people who demonstrate raw intelligence or work ethic. These people meet the right people, say the right things, in the right way, and that's why they have good outcomes.
>completely static peer group for 12+ years in controlled environments and authoritarily appointed leadership
Its obedience training.
>because it perpetuates liberal society
I view it as a rite of passage for the (upper) middle class. When viewed from outside it looks really dumb. It is comically inefficient in terms of job formation in most fields. It is just as terrible as an indirect filter. A two hours IQ test would be about as reliable as (if not more than) obtaining a diploma and I say this as someone having mixed ideas about IQ, which makes it double lolsy when the state bans hiring based on IQ and other psychometric tests. It is perpetuated because it participates to a cultural identity and entrenched interests.
African spear chuckers making ridiculous dances (even in their own eyes) around the fire at least only takes one evening instead of the three/five years of current diploma mills, and they don't get into debt for it (or plumb public budgets for communist funding of diploma mills).
Having said that I fully understand why young adults still go there. It's just a matter of fact that many fields are closed without the holy diploma. It's ridiculous in 90% of cases but changing that state of affairs involves far reaching transformations of society completely out of reach of the isolated 18 yo or his parents.
That alone doesn't make sense because nowadays, the large majority of high school graduates go to college, including middle and working-class students who will go on to be middle and working-class. It also doesn't make sense because other countries have upper middle classes but colleges aren't as much of a cultural force as they are in English-speaking countries. That's true even for most European countries.
Aside from the Anglo world, it's certainly the case in France and Italy for which I can attest. The big exception in Europe would be Germany which has maintained a massive more classical system of job training. Hence they aren't locked out of the upper middle class by not attending college type institutions, but it is not the norm in the rest of Europe.
I believe it is the case in Spain, Portugal, and Austria as it is in Germany, in which case, you should be able to see how the demarcations here support what I said.
>That alone doesn't make sense because nowadays, the large majority of high school graduates go to college, including middle and working-class students who will go on to be middle and working-class
Right, which is exactly why a degree is becoming increasingly worthless. It's supposed to be a ticket for social mobility, but now there's an oversupply of tickets and not enough places. Goes a long way to explaining the sort of accelerating social breakdown we see in the Anglo world today - overproduction of potential elites tends to be corrosive for any society that experiences it.
It signals wealth or discipline. Either you starved yourself and signed up for debt slavery or mommy payrolled.
Speaking from the perspective of a drop out, lots of people flat out don't respect you if you don't have a four year degree.
And yeah, university is a four year babysitting program for rich teenagers, but it's also an opportunity to party and sleep with rich teenagers.
When you're out you're mostly stuck to go nowhere jobs surrounded by boomers and married X-ers, and the kids who did go to college stay in those gated work-from-home communities and circles that you don't have access to.
I don't think a degree has any real financial or moral value, but the university system does a very good job at creating a class society while making sure the people who's opinions matter have the right opinions.
We've been living in a world utterly dominated by the middle class for the last 200-300 years and the University system has evolved into the over-valued monstrosity that it is precise because university degrees are exactly the sort of thing the middle class overvalues. It's a symptom of bourgeois values running amok. They use them as a signal to say "I can fit into this social circle, this professional class. I have money and connections and I'm a careerist. I can be an intellectual and a socializer." So the reason you are not respected is not that you missed out on something intrinsically respectful per se, but because this society is dominated by people who care about them way too much.
No, I realize that anon. My parents are perfect examples of those bourgeois values and have treated me with contempt ever since I dropped out. It's interesting hearing them talk with their upper middle class friends, because there really is a sense that if everybody without a degree or a COVID vaccine we're rounded up into death camps tomorrow they'd just be getting what they deserve. The college I dropped out of was considered fairly elite (not Ivy, but close) so I also saw firsthand that bourgeois careerist mentality, where you'd have students who dedicate years into pet causes for the poor and disenfranchised, but refuse to even consider the idea of opening their respective job fields to "the uneducated", regardless of talent.
My biggest takeaway from elite universities, and meeting lots of students from elite prep schools, is that the upper class cheats like motherfuckers and fully expects the deck to be stacked in their favour. If the poor do this they generally go to jail. There's nothing respectable about our current system, and it should be resisted by any means necessary
You shouldn't view your parents with resentment though. It's just part of the culture now and they're bred into the culture. On an individual level, I do think that given the way things are, you should go to university and finish if you can do so cheaply and agreeably enough. You do yourself a disservice if you don't because like I said, it's the way things are now.
Unfortunately going to university would require moving and going into a lot of debt/working 60 hours a week. Since I dropped out, higher tier universities/colleges don't want me, so it's a matter of attending community college for two years then transferring.
Right now I make a comfortable wage working three hours a day in a satisfying and intellectually stimulating field. When I need a degree I lie about having one and falsify documents.
I've seen generic sales jobs that will only hire people who graduated from a top ten university, but don't give a fuck what their degree is in. It's a blackpill to realise how much class still matters.
A phenomenon I've noticed recently is people who are clearly upper class inventing sob stories about themselves because their grandma was half brown or their dad worked two jobs one summer and they had to sell their third house.
Class is extremely important, but there's this fantastical delusion that's sold to people where it's not existent and everyone has earned their position through merit and hardwork. This is obviously good for the ruling class, since it both makes them invisible and also sets them up as being inherently superior to other people (and therefore deserving of their position). But it's toxic for the health of society in general.
Class isn't worth talking about anon, haven't you heard about how hard biPOC have things?
Pierre Vallières once wrote that while black and brown people are horribly exploited and disparaged as naggers, it's the white working class people that imagine themselves as somehow superior to their fellow working man on account of race who are the true naggers. They're doubly naggers, on account of their niggardly disregard for their fellow man.
The new generation of POC activists who are comfortably middle class, but still weaponize racial resentment for careerist self advancement, the legions of upper middle class socialites who have no problem using words like "White Trash" while pontificating about why the white working class is both contemptible and not discriminated against in any way (but they should be) who are the double naggers of the modern era. I have no problem calling these people naggers squared, and neither should you.
>A phenomenon I've noticed recently is people who are clearly upper class inventing sob stories about themselves
I think that 'my great-grandmother was an immigrant' is the modern, Western equivalent of kings claiming descent from some great conqueror. It's the heroic origin story they use to justify their position. The difference is that an explicit 'the weak should fear the strong' mentality contradicts the values of the modern world, so the rich have to come up with some bullshit about how they are just like everyone else instead. They want the appearance of being humble, but it's buried multiple generations back so they don't have to deal with the negative aspects of being truly working class.
Yeah, some rich fag tried that shit with me because his mom was an /immigrant/ from Sweden. Then he went off bragging about how he wants to travel to Africa to feed the naggers and tried to cuck me with some girl I'd been fucking.
I pissed in his milk and destroyed several thousand dollars worth of his property so I could bait him into starting a fistfight and pull a knife on him. In the end he just slinked off with his tail between his legs.
What I hate most about this humble posturing is that these pussies have no idea how hard it is to actually be working class. At least I can respect the kings of old for their brutality. The new aristocracy of prissy homosexuals claiming some tearjerker origin story is insane. I'm supposed to live a life of inferiority to these bitches because... their cousin was addicted to drugs or something but then they went to a 100k/year private school for ten years? Fuck that.
>I think that 'my great-grandmother was an immigrant' is the modern, Western equivalent of kings claiming descent from some great conqueror. It's the heroic origin story they use to justify their position
You hit the nail on the head, here. I'm gonna start bringing this up
This reasoning is also why Lebanese immigrants are so successful these days. They're minimally-brown and vaguely religious in a way that's distinctive but not alarming to westoids and also they come from a failed state which regardless has a quite proud elite class
The same would apply to balkanites I expect, except they're too reactionary and / or retarded by nature
>A phenomenon I've noticed recently is people who are clearly upper class inventing sob stories
It's so fucking bad at major rich people universities, they ALLLLLLLL call themselves "middle class" when their parents make mid six figures to seven figures combined
They ALL call themselves "workers" because they do a SHIT job working an absentee-owner cafe next to their university campus less than 20 hours a week and don't even make half their rent on their own
I fucking hate rich people
they're called bohos and are their upward social mobility combined with ebony tower politics is the #1 reason the west is dying. Progressivism is unironically a class war, the majority of MSM pundits are upper class and connected by university degree brainwashing
I think the powers that be might start running into problems with the old 'increase diversity and get the races to fight amongst themselves trick'. Pitting people against each other requires them to be separate, but the elites keep pushing for diversity. The more people that grow up around other races in the same shit community, the more that are going to realise that they have more in common with each other than the educated elites telling them how oppressed they are.
They'll cross that bridge when they come to it. For now Princeton had to make sure it stays relevant. That's they started the whole diversity push when occupy wallstreet was growing. They have the sons and daughters of African oligarchs at ivies, (and most of the blacks at those schools are not descendents of American slavery) but they can't claim to be both the elite and the poor.
>It's a symptom of bourgeois values running amok
This isn't the thread for it but can anyone recommend books about development of bourgeois, or even "The Bourgeoisie", conceptually speaking? I know nothing, the words mean next to nothing to me.
Manifesto of the Communist Party by Karl Marx and Fredriech Engels.
It's an interesting question. I think most people come to the term either through Marxists or Conservative Revolutionaries, but none of them wrote a whole book about the bourgeoisie afaik.
Early Habermas books.
Finishing a four year degrees is a reasonable measure of conscientiousness (as in the big 5 trait). It is a poor measure of intelligence, but for some reason society is convinced it is.
I regret getting a degree in psychology. Professionally, I would've been better off with an English, journalism, or communications degree. Not that these degrees would've actually contributed to my skillset--employers just prefer hiring people with these degrees in my field.
what's your field? law?
I'm an editor. Getting past HR with anything other than one of those subjects was tricky.
If you attend Oxbridge or Ivy then you can get away with any of these degrees to be fair
It's partly. I had a terrible experience during and after college, and so I thought about it a lot. It only started to make sense in a civilizational phenomenon once I considered it as a socio-professional class sorting mechanism more than anything.
This is only sort of correct. If you are going to an ivy because your parents are business owners and can setup their artist child with a job when they graduate, then yes you'll do fine. If you were not already upper middle class or above then those kids actually do poorly with a degree in art or whatever.
They don't regret their majors because they simply lack introspection and are incapable of imagining any other fate for themselves (especially true for CS and engineering)
>t. CS major who regrets getting into this soulless bugmen-filled trade
Just make your money and get out. Ridiculous middle class careerism. You think the guy on the deep sea crab boat is moping about his life choices? Your job isn't that shit. Just do the work, save your money, and retire to Tahiti in your thirties already.
>CS major who regrets getting into this soulless bugmen-filled trade
and here's the cope
No they don't lmao, they don't regret it because they get easy jobs for life
CS majors have the ultimate freedom in an Information Age civilization
Become a lawyer with your CS degree
I have a moral aversion towards lawyers.
I suspect CS majors would probably perform pretty well on the LSAT, since Math Majors tend to be one of the highest performing groups and CS is basically just applied math.
>CS is basically just applied math
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
CS majors are retards
>t. wasted my life majoring in math
You can unlike medical school which requires pre-requisites even if you know everything. Ridiculous.
If you're so inclined, go for it!
You could probably clean up as a patent attorney if you actually understand CS.
Lord knows the patent attorneys I have to deal with don't.
That just means you're part of the 28%, it doesn't prove anything except that you're a weak-willed faglord.
Psychology is very surprising, I barely know anyone who has a good job with that major. Maybe they just like the topic.
How tight is your pussy?
I am surprised by Psychology.
Construction CHADS we did it.
More like LULZ won. Love how hard STEM is nowhere to be found (Biology is important and can be an interesting subject, but at the undergrad level it's commonly studied by women who want to amuse themselves with a subject of general interest/a "different" major).
STEMbugs are miserable and hate their jobs, can't tell you how many whine about not getting into their lab of choice or having to compete with a million pajeets for their codemonkey soulless grind
I'm sure you are right, but it's beside the point because the survey question is not "are you miserable at your job". The survey question is "do you regret your major", and the results clearly indicate that hard STEM majors do not regret their majors as much has humanities/"softer" majors do, as the former are generally unlisted in this purported "top" group.
There's a glut of STEM majors and many of them are unhappy with their jobs, yes. But the data strongly suggest that they nevertheless have a positive emotional attachment to the completion of their majors because they perceive it as having greater value and higher status than the "soft" majors. Basically they completed the basic credential which says to the world "I am a smart person", and they'll always have that. Basically, they feel that they are better than the others and they have a piece of paper to prove it.
CS here. I never regretted anything more than finishing with this soul sucking major. I will chop off my cock before I go back to working IT or being a code monkey, most of my previous coworkers already are.
then quit crying about it here and work towards a better path for yourself
or fix my computer, it keeps on shutting itself off
I am. Got a job as a wilderness firefighter
English being such a poor area of study is definitely a result of bad education instead of the actual subject. Learning the literary canon and and refining your writing can be vital to many jobs if you focus on critical thinking, technical writing, analysis, etc. But instead if you take English courses in America you're just gonna learn about how oppressed trannies, blacks and woman are. That's the entire field.
I was an english lit major but work in finance/portfolio mgmt. Is the grass greener? Lately been thinking of jobs in publishing, or if i'd continued to a ma or phd?
I left finance to get an MA and ended up dropping it within the first year, so I can't recommend it even though I would never go back to finance.
Where did you go instead after dropping the MA?
It's just bizarre to me that a self aware person can look at the publishing industry in 2022 and think that they have a snowball's chance in hell if they're male and white. All your coworkers would hate you and you'd literally never be promoted. You'd have a higher chance of getting a job as a nail technician.
Book publishers barely sell any books anyways. It's a dying industry.
He’s a finance bugman, he has zero self-awareness
All too true.
Which is why I self-publish on Amazon.
Nobody wants a man critical of his own priviledge. Sounds like another stupid liberal
I'm curious: got a link to the page for your Amazon book?
I do, but I don't want to be a spam-shiller.
Instead, why don't you look through the author pastebin in
Read some of the "Look Inside" portions on Amazon.
See if you find something you like.
We could all use a break.
Thanks. Is your work in that pastebin?
I studied accounting, and I deeply regret it. It amazed me going into the workforce is that people actually seem to like this stuff, and I always feel like the odd one out because of it.
I think studying some humanities subject would have been far more fulfilling. I always feel that I am intellectually malnourished because I spent my time learning a glorified trade.
I'm a civil engineer and making over $80,000 just four years into the job.
CS broz be capping over a 100k as freshers. Kys poorfag
Don't start this shit. You'll give me flashbacks to when I still lurked LULZ.
possibly one of the worst takes of all time, truly lit has been invaded by idiotic anti-intellectual 'just be manly make things' idiots who will always be ruled by and dominated by forces greater than them, and always wondering why things never turn out in their favour
fuck off and never return
Someone regrets their degree.
I work in a quiet lab, all by myself. No cube farm, no open office.
I have my own thermostat. It's as warm or cold as *I* want it to be. Not someone else.
It's dead silent all day. I can actually concentrate.
I do R&D for a major aerospace manufacturer.
Our team doesn't have "guest workers" because we do government work.
I worked very hard to get here.
And you pseuds with your phony-baloney non-STEM degrees deserve the Hell you're burning in.
Do you like working like that? I have a remote job with very little work to do and I hate it.
I have plenty of work to do. No chance to get bored.
My company lets me WFH, but the lab is more comfy (and has no yappy neighbor dogs).
And it's one of the best sets of working conditions I've ever had.
>I have a remote job with very little work to do
play video games in your free time
Not exactly a solution
Deadass bragging about the years and hours invested in getting the great satan to let you climate control your servitude lmao
It's better than hot, noisy, and/or low-paid work.
Where the hell are my fries already?!
I‘m a security guard and basically read full time in a temperate room at a quiet desk
I know you have to cope about lost time but maybe you can stop projecting any basis of reality in le gifted child or you’ll be flipping burgers propaganda
worst thing about STEM is that they turn people into awfully boring figures, the most I ever hear from STEM people is gaming or a pastime that makes them forget their job is stagnating their lives buttfast.
Then they retire early, because they can afford to, and enjoy life far more than you ever will.
> yeah my life sucks b.. but at 50 I will be able to do what I what
Do you think any other office job is any different? Do you think excel jockeys are interesting, passionate people? No. I've always felt like if you find yourself at 30 in an office career, you've already lost whether you're programming or using Excel sheets.
Not true, at least among my immediate team.
One plays drums.
One is an incredibly good rock guitarist; he even gives lessons on the side. But making it in the entertainment business is nigh-impossible.
One is a green thumb & has an extensive garden.
One is a double kung-fu black-belt.
One restores classic autos.
And I write fiction, mostly short stories.
Sounds good, how many hours do you work and how mmuch do you get paid?
40/week, and enough to put me in the top 20% of U.S. earners.
AHAHAHA you sound insufferable to be around, no wonder why they shunted you off to some corner of the basement. If you learned how to socialize you would probably have a better career/life.
t. 6fig “team player” map designer
Not in the basement...on the 1st floor, right next to a door outside, so I can get fresh air any time I want.
And I'm there by choice.
People come by all the time.
And I'm amused that you're faulting anyone for their ability to socialize, given that LULZ is basically a refuge for antisocial autistic nerds.
In short...you suck.
Good stuff anon. STEM is definitely the way to go. A lad only has to suffer for about 4-5 years, after that you can coast it all and invest in your hobbies while working a good job. Many sour humanities and liberal arts retard will try and be smug with you, but the truth is you have made it. Godspeed STEMbro.
I‘m a security guard and basically read full time in a temperate room at a quiet desk
I know you have to cope about lost time but maybe you can stop projecting any basis of reality in le gifted child or you’ll be flipping burgers propaganda
Until you get laid off and have to go find your next security gig, which won't be so good. Save yourself the suffering, go to college for Engineering or Math, it will only take a few years - a massive payoff.
You don't understand. If we don't like a post we find a new post. if we don't like the hours we decide our own hours. We do exactly what we want at all times.
If you want to monetize your passion you should be a security guard, you don't ever have to concentrate on someone else's vision.
I worked in security for several years. My experience was that it was secure and easy, but paid very little.
>a good job.
STEM jobs can be judged on a 3-point scale.
>not morally questionable
You can pick two of these points. For example, if a STEM job is well-paid/reliable and interesting, you're probably doing military research or something related to military research. Whereas if a job is well-paid and not morally questionable, you're probably designing incredibly specific components of industrial machinery. Interesting and not morally questionable would be research jobs that have a thousand applications for every place, making them unreliable as a career. Therefore, the only way to have an easy time finding a 'good' STEM job is if you're a one in a million genius, you don't care about contributing to the military industrial complex, or you're willing to work on stuff that would put most people to sleep. Most people will make peace with working on the boring stuff, but it takes a while to accept that ater 4 years of learning interesting science at university.
Not that anon. My problem with stem jobs is that everyone who gets into them ends up being a soulless, insect-like, apparition of a human. I say this as someone who changed his major from CS to philosophy even though I was enjoying it and I was doing well.
Being dispassionate is a happier state of being
I have all 3.
I work in aerospace.
The intensely perfectionist, safety-critical nature of our work filters out a lot of pretenders, though.
And then the parts turn out to be out-of-tolerance copies from Mexico.
You mean Malaysia.
Good analysis. My last job was well-paid and interesting, but I was coding for a fucking hedge fund. I had to leave eventually.
I relax in a quiet, cozy living room, all by myself. No cube farm, no open office.
I have my own thermostat. It's as warm or cold as *I* want it to be. Not someone else.
It's dead silent all day. I can actually concentrate on my soap opera.
I didn't have to work at all for this and feel sorry for you.
Hopefully your husband isn't getting some on the side.
How much does he "work late"?
>tfw fell for the engineering meme
>mfw art student
>everyone says my degree is useless and I'm wasting my time
>I'm having fun in school for the first time, and developing a skill I treasure
Let us know how you feel when you have to pay bills every week
Are you a homosexual?
Yes, as a matter of fact, I *would* like fries with that.
I only care about developing my spirit, anon.
>go to art school
>never pay tuition fee back
>keep expenses low, bills dont sink you
This. Unless by some struck of divine fortune I become rich, why would I ever pay them? I don't care about israeli inventions such as "credit score." You can literally just refuse to pay kek.
Fuck you fashist
see ya in 10 years buddy
Here's a glimpse of your future.
Now get off your dead ass and prevent this atrocity!
Post art, if its some corporate goyart gtfo
how is this a win?
this is a list of the most "regretted" college majors
i don't see mathematics, accounting, or engineering there at all
this is similar to saying you're the happiest kid in a mental institution
>loved history more than anything else in college
>it's completely useless
another way to view these statistics is that they are meters of how uncertain people attracted to different majors are. In other words, the higher up a major is on that scale, the more it attracts people without clear goals in life.
What's the point of journalism when you basically write stories/articles according to the values of whoever hires you?
People mistakenly believe that the way to do that is by getting a Journalism degree. In reality, it's being someone's kid and schmoozing at a prestigious school. The biography of now Senator John Ossoff, formerly Journalist Ossoff, is the quintessential case.
The absolute cope and seethe that STEMchads generate in this illiterate board will never not be amusing.
In a capitalist system people only care about the ratio of how much money they make to how much effort it takes.
The idea that capitalism is a system in which creativity and passion thrive is one of the greatest lies ever told.
If I told you to watch paint dry for a million dollars a day you'd do it.
Well, it wasn't a lie. It was just true for tech that made money only, consumer products, Ford Model Ts, microwaves, etc.
I'm in the 52%. I hate my life, sometimes I wish I was illiterate
sociology is a good field of study, but a shitty misapplied college degree by students
gender studies did to sociology what twitter did to journalism, even the professors visually hate it generally - classes are full of bleeding hearts that have a tough time holding an actual conversation
>t. sociology for prelaw
Journalism major just about to graduate
A workplace filled with fags and everyone you try to interview is skeptical of you because said fags have ruined a once prestigious craft.
I am unironically learning how to code (and cope)
You’re not going to make it in comp sci now, anon. Don’t you fucking dare become another half-assed techie retard who goes into the industry just to fuck up the same shit that’s been working fine for years. Don’t fucking do it, you piece of shit
Don't listen to this guy
Journalism major just about to graduate
A workplace filled with fags and everyone you try to interview is skeptical of you because said fags have ruined a once prestigious craft.
I am unironically learning how to code (and cope)
Listen buddy. I majored in applied mathematics, despite not knowing what the hell I wanted to do with such a degree. There's a chance you might be impressed by that: I tell people about my degree, and it always seems to make them think I'm smart or something. But I'll level with ya: applied math is basically just a business degree for smart people. We didn't even do any theorems.
So anyway, after graduating and coming home to my parents, I found they were furious with me for not having put any work into internships and developing real skills. So I was forced to teach myself to code, and let me tell you: that was not fun.
It was hard work, and harder still to do it under my the disapproving gaze of my mother. But I pulled it off, and managed to land a job at that hedge fund I mentioned in the other comment. So it's possible to pull through, you just have to work for it.
My advice is: there are staffing agencies out there that teach people the in-demand skills. You work for them for a while in exchange for their training, but after that, you're free. So I'd say you should start by doing online courses through Coursera or LinkedIn Learning or whatever. And then after that, once you've learned enough to do the coding assesment for one of these places, you can take their boot-camp course and learn what's REALLY in the market. After that, you should be good to go.
Mind you, I got a little lucky. The staffing agency I trained at was Cook Systems, and I was able to weasle my way out of the contract that would've forced me to work for them for two years. Still, I've done pretty good, all things considered. My life has had its ups and downs, on account of my choices. But a little hard work and you can get back on track.
You're in luck. In the age of YouTube and Substack, you don't need to work for anyone if you don't want to.
My friend who majored in Russian studies literally works for Glowsticks International now. He never said he works for them ofc, but it's kind of obvious when he lives in McClean, Virginia and had a security clearance process.
I honestly wonder what that career is like. We argue so much about STEM vs Arts when it comes to finding private sector jobs, I forgot that Intelligence Agencies just hire people like normal companies do.
>I honestly wonder what that career is like
I can't lmao, or at least he can't tell me about it really. Like I said, he doesn't even say he works for them, he only provides vague details about being employed at the Federal government and doing work that required a security clearance background investigation. Obviously none of it is James Bond type shit, but he's probably still contractually obliged to keep his mouth shut since these low level people are often the worst at security leaks.
I can only guess what he does based on his skills, probably translating documents they have there or providing some sort of Russian cultural insights into analysis
One of the few decent jobs a liberal-arts type can pick up is being an intelligence analyst.
Of course, you have to have a clean record and pass a drug test...which filters out most liberal-art types.
He can't say what his job is like...it's classified.
>Of course, you have to have a clean record and pass a drug test...which filters out most liberal-art types.
Rumor has it they don't really care about weed these days, but they'll kick your ass out if you lied about not consuming it.
I wonder how the list would be organized if salary and employment wasn't a fact. I imagine little soul ventures such as accounting and finance would be top of the list. Which interesting man takes artistic pleasure to indulge in such bores? On the other hand, the subject matters presented on that list- sans journalism- I could study in my free time with no expectations of accolades
>I wonder how the list would be organized if salary and employment wasn't a fact.
Higher education wouldn't exist and the masses would be starving to death you retarded communist.
mathematician chads rise up. we undertake a test where verbal IQ is all that matters and we still mog everyone else specializing in verbal IQ.
I'm surprised there's no law.
Lawyers are soulless parasites, of course they love their jobs
i'm in the 64% percent, probably just gonna switch to economics even though i have no interest in it and am awful at math. gotta graduate in 2 years with something of value at least
Economics typically involves a lot of math.
ive got no choice, im too paranoid to continue with communications and end up doing nothing after college
If your school offers a BA and a BS, do the BA.
It offers a BA in economics. Only a couple required math courses, heavily considering switching to it
If it's a somewhat reputable university, it's probably a fine choice. I got mine from a "public ivy" and it wasn't hard to find employment.
Least regretted are probably quantitative fields like math and stats, as well as economics and finance.
Can confirm. I'd say the percentage may be even higher.
lmao at you plebs. every time some atheist homosexual or whatever other redditor calls me retarded I just remind myself that I studied law at oxford and get paid 6 figs for doing fuck all work. eat shit the lot of you
It’s not hard to believe in God born with a silver spoon in your mouth, homosexual.
Then what the fuck are you complaining about you westoid homosexual?
You are the global elite. Atheism has actually declined since the heyday of communism for example except in the West, because aside from secularizing populist politics (which is now dead) atheism is the province of the comfortable urban classes, which is realistically the majority of the western population.
It was also such for the Epicureans in Greece and the Charvakas in India and those movements only lasted as long as the golden ages of their civilizations. For good reason
And yet, here you are on LULZ.
As limited as Lit is; you can still enter a variety of careers while journalism is dying bevause libs hijacked it to create propaganda. Respect for journalism has plummeted.
Respect for college has also plummeted.
Also the fault of liberals (who are just Commies)
Among contrarians. Normal people still like college
>have computer science degree
>make 200k to click clack on the computer a few hours per week at home in pajamas
I am a failure of a person with no careerist ambitions, no friends and no job. I genuinely have no idea how so many people my age can balance university, a job and going to the gym every day. I can barely attend a lecture without fighting the urge to kill myself
>balance university, a job and going to the gym every day
Either they're doing an easy major or they're incredibly smart. If you're having an urge to kill yourself then you don't belong there/chosen the wrong major.
Most people get shitty degrees at crappy low-tier institutions, work a brain-dead job on the side, and are naturally somewhat athletic.
I'm an autistic PhD student at a top global research hospital and after my workday I just go home and shitpost or watch YouTube for several hours before going to sleep - or I read something for fun, on rare occasions. I can't muster the energy to do anything productive after a 10-12 hour mentally rigorous workday
As far as how this applies to your situation, maybe you have a treatable condition like ADHD or maybe you're just low functioning and doomed to NGMI.
Just find something halfway enjoyable that isn't intolerably hard and do that
>maybe you have a treatable condition like ADHD
Honestly considering this possibility at this point. My hyperactive behavior as a child morphed into severe procrastination, with how much anxiety I have and how much my mind wanders I may have some disorder
Don't send your kids to public school guys.
My brother's kids are in public school and my sisters kid is in Catholic school.
We went to Catholic school and I always thought it wouldn't have mattered much, especially in primary school but fuck. Shit is night and day
Also don't marry a dumb bitch or lazy bitch. Not saying that she has to be a career woman or anything. But if you met her in HS or university just observe if she's the type who puts effort in to get the best grades she can or if she just does the bare minimum. THAT attitude will be transfered to how she raises your kids
This is similar to going on LULZ vs. other boards. LULZ is on average smarter, but often painfully fucking boring and retarded in a way that only the 'well-educated' are. Like a bunch of stuffy old fools standing around the Gordian knot debating how to untie it. Alexander channeled public school monke energy when he just said fuck it and used his sword.
There are pros and cons to each.
Alexander was literally privately tutored by Aristotle, who formed the basis of all Catholic education by way of Thomas Aquinas, you retard.
My one and only desire is to get a job where I can just work from home a few hours a day and still make good money. I do not want to devote my life to a career unlike most other people.
I have a remote job where I have basically no work to do at all. I have meetings and phone calls a few times per week and I manage some spreadsheets once per week. I actually find it pretty terrible. If you despise the work you do, who you do it with, don't get paid much, have nothing to do, nowhere to go, and get little interaction, it's not like it's fun. It feels like a waste of your life.
my bros, why are you paying tens of thousands of dollars to study at a university/college when all information on the internet, the greatest library ever made in history, is free?
you just need a little bit of motivation and self-control to sift through the useless information to get to the nuggets of gold, you don't even have to be an autodidact because once you figure out where to look, finding information becomes as easy as breathing
t. learning how to make aerospace grade composite parts without getting molested by student loans
>living in a country where you have to pay for education
>and not in one where you get paid for education
It's like you enjoy being cucked
>paying for education
I truly pity the American
Education entirely free due to perfomance at entrance exams (and now getting paid twice minimum wage for a research fund)
I got a bachelors in law and a masters in political science and I work in a fucking call center selling worthless garbage. Every day I think about killing myself and I regret not studying philosophy.
Why didn't you become a lawyer?
I never wanted to go to law school and was forced into it by my parents. I thought I could get a masters in a different field (that's why I went for pol sci) and leverage that for work in academia, but unfortunately I live in the Balkans in a highly corrupt country. I cant get a teaching position for pol sci since I'm dirt poor and cant afford a bribe. I never wanted to be a lawyer and just went to law school to please my mom.
So do you regret studying law or poli sci more then? In the United States, you can't even study law until you've already received a Bachelor's degree. Did you try getting a job in academia but not on faculty?
I dont regret pol sci since I like reading about history and sociology, and pol sci was the only non law, non economics masters study I could qualify for. Here we have a system where your masters is tied to your bachelors and you can apply for a masters degree for any subject you had in your bachelors. Since my law degree had classes in pol sci I chose that for my masters thesis. I had the option between that, a masters in law or general economics.
Why didn't you want to study economics?
Also I tried to get a position as faculty but couldn't get anything since every time I applied I just got a response that all positions are filled for the foreseeable future. I'm thinking of saving money for a doctorate and then trying my luck again.
In the United States, there are more administration than faculty posts. I work in administration for a University and many of my administration peers are people that found themselves in a situation similar to yours.
Administration is corrupt here as well you need bribes or a party membership just to get a job as a janitor in public administration. I always preferred history, sociology and philosophy over law and economics. I am trying to get an administrative post in a music school as an archivist but I need to wait a few years until the current one retires. And I can only get that job through connections since my sister works there.
I see. It sounds like it's more difficult than in America. I got an administration post as soon as I graduated and I was not a good student or well-connected. It's possible I just got lucky I guess. I also work frequently with budgets and forecasts so maybe that's not what you want to do. I just figured I'd propose it in case it helped.
Thanks man, sometimes I forget that the western world isn't as corrupt as us and people can get ahead a lot easier. It's so frustrating living in a corrupt country. As a brief example we have people regularly drunk driving here or getting in first fights on election day and getting no punishments since they have party membership. Cherish your freedom.
We still have corruption here. It's just less severe and far more subtle.
Yeah I know but at least an ordinary person doesn't need to jump through hoops for a starting position.
But that's because many companies and colleges are so flush with cash that they can just be liberal with their hiring practices. There is still a large amount of nepotism, and in fact, I've seen ranks close in the last few years and it seems not the only people who get in are people with connections, a very particular education, or very particular education. That is a sort of corruption honestly.
And its slightly over minimum wage. 5000 dollars a year.
Do you get a pension?
Yes, you get a pension. It's small but you can live off it if you are frugal with your funds.
We have a saying here, "When a new government is formed the janitor in every public office is replaced".
In the United States, every college has faculty and administrators. The administrators of public colleges are state employees, but the administrators of private colleges are private employees and they have nothing to do with the government.
>third year of Communication degree
at the very least I'm more apt for it than 90% of the other students
>I'm more apt for it
what does that mean
I do good in class
>graduated in CS
>have a reasonably well paying salaried WFH job with plenty of PTO and "flexible hours" that mean I'm only at my work laptop for maybe an hour a day if that
feels cozy man
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