People often criticize "Linux" as an operating system for various philosophical or nebulous reasons spanning the entire suite of the FOSS software ecosystem. But you know what? Fuck the kernel itself. You would think that updates would really only be about hardware support at the end of the day, but it isn't. They make major changes for the sake of making major changes, break your shit, and refuse to elaborate or care. Literally the only problems I experience are due to the Linux kernel.
Allow me to give you some examples:
>updates kernel
>computer no longer wakes from sleep
>updates kernel
>monitor now flickers with adaptive sync on
>updates kernel
>tpm module's existence now causes intermittent stutter
>updates kernel
>mic no longer works
This is just in the past fucking YEAR. Good luck "reporting" your issues because chances are your hardware configuration is unique compared to everyone else's unique systems so why would they bother. The kernel developers are slinked back behind layers of obfuscation (even if it is just satisfying their outrageous and never satisfactory log requirements) that the issue with your hardware caused by some shitty update will never be fixed. It moves too fast, makes constant changes, and breaks shit with no regard for users at all. I have NEVER updated a Windows machine and wondered if suddenly some of my hardware would become buggy or unusable. And if I did, I guarantee you they would do something to fix it quickly.
>"but, but, but l-look at all of the Phoronix articles, l-look at all the COOL SHIT they are doing and constantly fucking with bro look waowee it is time to update wowzas"
Everyone knows Linux is shit and 1 decent OS release from MS away from completely dying. Unfortunately MS hasn't released anything good since XP SP2
Sounds like the reverse of kernel updates on new hardware
I'm sorry you got molested by a fat man and now make up lies without steps to reproduce on a anonymous board
There are a plethora of reports with everything there that they simply do not give a shit about. I am not making up lies. A kernel update should NEVER break my shit, and the reality is that ti does constantly. If something works one day then does not work the next, that is the fault of the developer.
The development philosophy and cycle of the kernel is fundamentally flawed. They are too aggressive and too loose with kernel development.
I haven't experienced any of the issues you are mentioning here.
I've been using different Linux kernels on 3 different machines for 3 years (2 laptops and a desktop). I had to learn when to use Wayland and when to use Xorg (one of my laptops has MATE for a DE and it doesn't support Wayland at all).
All my machines are 10 years old or more (one laptop was purchased in 2007 with Vista on it and was upgraded to Win7. Someone tried installing Win10 on it and it works but was not practical to use -ddr2, core2 Duo-).
That laptop has a distro on it that is customized to be easy on limited resources (old hardware).
I am mentioning the age of these machines because that is what attracted me to GNU/Linux, bringing new life to old hardware.
I don't think I would use a distro on anything less than 2 years old and expect it to function properly. Hardware is released first for proprietary OS's that have paid for the firmware to be written and used in agreements between, say, Microsoft and nvidia (or intel, realtek - a long list).
Linux code writers have to discover the hardware now exists and THEN make firmware available for it. There are plenty of exceptions to that like AMD making source code available but even then there is a lag between the hardware release and linux coders getting things ready for it. They simply are not part of the hardware production process, it's all by discovery after release.
tldr
If you computer is working well with a kernel, then you upgrade to the next kernel and you have problems, just go back to the kernel that worked for your hardware. There are NO “should be able...” or “I want it to do...” . It is firmware that controls hardware. It does what it does, no more and no less.
do the board a favor and kill yourself you subhuman freetard nagger sack of shit
Why can't we be frens, fren?
You are just bad at managing it. Sorry to hear all that.
>updates computer
>something that worked yesterday no longer works today
No, I didn't mismanage shit. I was given a bad update.
>afraid to give device model
>caught in his larp
There is no "model" to it. It is my desktop computer. Every problem I have ever had has been reported before by others and left unresolved. I am not going to comb through and find them again just to prove to some homosexual that I am not LARPing
>will not name system specs
>will be outed as a retard after a brief google search
>can't even give distro
Stop stalling
I wanna bet Manjaro
Here is a screenshot of my desktop literally right now. Rest assured I am just as autistic as you but at least I admit reality
>arch
You do know arch has lts Linux support. Switch to Linux-lts. This is literally your fault.
Linux "lts" is really just a few arbitrary updates behind. Whatever issues they introduce at that moment do not suddenly disappear or suddenly will not be introduced in the next update.
Ubuntu, Debian, whatever bullshit will pick a kernel and then you get to enjoy the same problems from that kernel. It is almost entirely arbitrary and will never change due to the nature of the development strategy of the kernel itself. It fucks everyone, at any moment in time because their strategy is too aggressive.
Then why are you using Debian based distros. Install Gentoo. I like Arch but you seem like you’d be too stupid to use Arch.
It’s not. It gets patched with bugfixes and security. It’s considered stable enough for daily use. You should only use non-LTS releases on hardware that’s not mission critical or inside of a vm. This is literally your own fault.
> (You) updated the computer
> something broke
Your fault
JAY
based J
skill issue
>buy top of the line gaming laptop
>some issues such as sleep not working
>get distro with constant kernal updates
>within 2 months all functionality including battery saver is gained with more fine control
>rgb control out the box with less battery drain
>all games work
Like
Said skill issue
Please provide steps to reproduce including hardware
If you can't provide that I will stay laughing at you, my legion 7 3080 has all functionality working and has gotten more bells and whistles as time has moved on.
You're an obvious novice. Use the laptop for two more years and watch as the updates start introducing problems you didn't previously have.
I've been using linux for a decade
Sounds like you're expecting people to not have used it to see your larp
Again name your device or continue to larp and seethe
You're supposed to reboot when you update your kernel.
Did someone just criticize MY choice of operating system?? LIAR! LARPER! You have been outed sir. There are NEVER problems on my operating system
>has issue
>doesn't want help
>in the one place you can help in a speedy manner
Typically when someone has retard tier issues the most common causes are
>Manjaro
>wayland without knowing what they are signing up for
>gnome
90% of the time without fail, but I honestly believe OP is a larp
>wayland
>sway
My first bit of advice is to try another DE to see if that's not causing your issues, personally I despise wayland because it's made by opinionated spergs that will burn all adoption to the ground due to not enabling a single fucking switch
Adaptive sync is also bad on wayland to begin with
Also want to throw pop OS in that list and since OP is not larping I can actually help him
Wayland isn't to blame for any of it. I don't care what your sperg opinion is or what preference you personally have. Wayland is my choice and many other users' choice.
Updating the KERNEL caused my issues and updating the kernel breaks shit. That is the reality.
>use a proticool that is riddled with issues
>blame the kernel before seeing if it has to do with the DE
>using adaptive sync on wayland
>adaptive sync on wayland
>adaptive sync on wayland
You want to fix this shit or what?
I am not here to fix or troubleshoot my shit precisely because it is unfixable. These are documented issues introduced by the kernel. One moment my monitor did not flicker and the next moment it did, and it happened after a kernel update. Wayland is not to blame. Wayland's adaptive sync is actually excellent. The only issue at this point is cursor stutter which can be fixed by not using a hardware cursor. I am not going to argue with you about display protocols. The kernel introduced it.
People like you turn so many away. Wayland is default on Ubuntu, Fedora, RHEL in the next update, it is used as a game compositor on the steam deck. Quit your bullshit. I don't care about your sperging. The kernel should work around the existence of Wayland no matter how much you pretend it shouldn't.
See
So use Linux-LTS. This is your own fault. If a distribution doesn’t support Linux-LTS, find one that does.
This is not a problem with the kernel, this is a problem with the development model. Hobbyists simply don't care about you, if it works on their machine that's good enough to ship.
ChromeOS for Chromebooks and SteamOS for Steam Deck works fine, because the people responsible for pushing updates have full control over the hardware platform.
Shit goes wrong with Windows and Android often enough still, because of the anarchy of hardware and firmware outside of Microsoft/Google's control. They try, but still fail.
i had this shit experience with openbsd lmao
>install 5.1
>everything works
>updoot to 5.2
>starts lagging and stuttering
>updoot to 5.3
>brightness keys stop working, kernel panics whenever i press a fucking brightness key
>updoot to 5.4
>nothing gets fixed
>rage quit, wipe the system and install hackintosh
i finally settled on windows 7 which just werks
>5.1
>5.2
>5.3
>5.4
it was 6.x by the way, not 5.x
>left openbsd
wow, all the 5 devs are going to be really dissapointed
it's worse off than many hobby OSes in current year
>HURR LINUX SUXX
As someone who has been a Linux it for like 19 years or so now, you only update the kernel when absolutely necessary. Hardware support etc. that’s why we have lts and lts based distributions. The only updates you should be doing to the kernel are patches only. Short of supporting ecores, there’s nothing in the latest kernel that I’m aware of that you need. So why aren’t you using lts?
Nigga you never read Phoronix articles about the latest kernel release, and get hyped for new features?
Those features are breaking your os. Skill issue.
>Skill issue.
That was my first post in the thread, dummy.
I used to be a dummy once upon a time. Then I learned how to use Linux. I learned to wait for those shiny new features to trickle down to lts. I learned to use kde plasma or xfce and skip all the bullshit. I don’t rice, though I respect it. Op is just in the pain baby duck phase.
>I am old and a coper
The only release I’m excited for is 6.4 which hasn’t came out yet.
>complains about adaptive sync
>can't even google the issue
https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/6832
That isn't even related. Has nothing to do with it. Brainlet-tier response
You're so fucking stupid you deserve to suffer
>complains about flicker at all times introduced explicitly after kernel update
>hurr durr look at this random sway bug for some things hurrr youre the stupid one hurr
Why are you crying and doing this homosexual shit?
Because it is a disgrace that people like you have tolerated and defended this shit for so long. For better or worse we're stuck on the same team, and I choose to screech where you choose to cope.
You come off as a baiting retard
I've used tumbleweed for years with x11 and kde and zero issue.
Bad luck for you I guess
Install my preferred distro! Use my preferred display protocol!
Did you just install a routine update and expect your system to work normally?? Your fault!
They’re not routine updates. You’re using beta level software and bitching about the bugs. You’re a special kind of retard.
So each mainline kernel release is actually a beta update? Huh, you would think they state that. Imagine being so buck-broken that you have just accepted that at this point
They do state that. You're only supposed to use LTS kernels in prod. Literally the only testing they do before accepting patches is see if it builds.
>They do state that. You're only supposed to use LTS kernels in prod.
Oh ok. Where?
>whaaaa
>whaaaa
>I refuse to do any surface level troubleshooting
>whaaa
I think mac is too complex for you try chrome OS
I wonder how I run gentoo and not have a single breaking update since the start of me using it. I have gentoo on my laptop and desktop. I simply use an amd gpu and no gayming shit that is unsupported. I use a keyboard that does not do usb fuckery (keychron), a normal mouse (logitech g502), and that is it. I bit the bait, saged regardless. btw I use wayland as well.
ITT: more poorfags who have to compromise either a decent DE in the one hand, or less adware(except for the #1 Linux Ubuntu which is a full botnet now) and decent development tools and a whole UNIX layer that’s not a hypervisor on the others.
Get a Mac you fucking NEET Europoors.
With GNU/Linux I'm very confident I won't need a new machine for 5-10 years (some components maybe, fans, a PSU, Maybe upgrade the GPU if I want to). And yes, I use it as an office and entertainment tool, not something to play with and configure.
why is this thread being targeted by the jayschizos instead of the font rendering one