Is it worth spending 3 years at college acquiring a foundation degree in software development at 23 years old?
learn 2 code
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Poke your head out of the sand and look around. Shit is about to go down. If you aren't stacking BTC immediately you'll drown, nevermind college
OP, trust me on this one, there will be homosexuals in this thread that will tell you that you fell for the coding meme but truthfully it's probably the best career choice if you like investing and comfymaxxing and problem solving. Only dumb fucks who can't wrap around their heads around their shitty life decisions will tell you it's a bad idea.
I believe in you OP, it's the most bearable wagecucking there is
>OP, trust me on this one, there will be homosexuals in this thread that will tell you that you fell for the coding meme but truthfully it's probably the best career choice if you like investing and comfymaxxing and problem solving.
Correct post.
We've been hearing about how it's too late to get into the industry for what feels like twenty years almost.
2000-2010:
>It's too late, all the work is being outsourced to code farms in India.
2010-2018
>It's too late, the industry is saturated by bootcamp grads and h1b's willing to work for pennies.
2018-now
>It's too late, remote worker pajeet and AI will take all the jobs.
People will cope that it's different this time but the truth is that there will always be a market for people who are:
1. At least one standard deviation above the mean in intelligence.
2. Good executive function.
3. know how to use the highest-leverage tools in society, which for now is software.
If a time ever comes when that's no longer the case then society will be so different that "what job should I do" will seem like a naive question.
The next bubble is in AI/cloud/robotics. You only "fell for the meme" if you tool yourself poorly and follow 2010s-era career paths. The 2020s/2030s are going to be something entirely different. But since that includes the possibility of nuclear war you should also learn how to survive mutant attacks.
This is incorrect, working as an investment advisor/fund manager and solving the problem of how to move money into your pocket all day is way more comfy
no, if you want to get into coding you teach yourself or you go to bootcamp, college is a waste and the industry is imploding right now anyway so it's not like you'd be able to get a job. Learn to weld.
>Going blind for $12 an hour.
Lol
older timers only went blind becausr they were gas welding without eye protection because they didn't feel like they needed it. Turns out infrared radiation causes cataracts!
These days the real problem with welding is that you're constantly inhaling toxic fumes and dust.
you're not going to go blind unless you cheap tf out on your welding mask or you don't use it properly
git gud
dude I'm graduating in medicine and can start working right now (not in the US) and let me tell ou one thing. Considering where we are now, and our future, I wish I had entered a computer sciences degree. For real, the amount of studying I did to become a doctor could have propelled me in a very good career path in tech, with a much healthier lifestyle and possibility of working from home.
Not to be a dick, but I think at time you guys in medicine forget about all the benefits you have.
Job security, if you do everything by the book you will retire a multimillionaire. The same can’t be said in tech. You could have studied close to as hard, made the wrong call on internships and startups and make just 70k and you are always at risk of the whims of your boss and stick market events right now. Not to mention the bias against old coders.
As a doctor you can practice till your faculties decline and your patients only respect you more.
I'd say its your best bet if you are going to go to college. While prepping for CS though, make sure to keep your eyes on other opportunities around you. Think ahead as much as possible. Don't settle for CS.
t. FAANG engineer
Go to college. Retards think
>a college degree is the bare minimum now
means
>a college degree is worhtless
no, you'll be competing with a literal shitload of pajeets who can do the same for 1/3, its not worth it bro.
in 3 years devs will be competing against superjeets with AI. It's like the industrial revolution
so its true, its fucking over then.
>degree
If you can actually hack it, yes. If no, then no.
Not everyone can learn to code.
Even if you "learn to code" unless you're a young woman or have a minority pass, you won't get a real job.
Can you make successful software products? If yes, it can be very lucrative. But you should not fool yourself into thinking it's easy or that you can just coast after getting a degree. It will just progressively harder.
Basically if you don't have a universal knowledge of literally anything by the time you are 25, just give up. There is no reason to go to school, you should be highly advanced in science, tech, medicine, law, etc. There is no reason for you to not constantly possess mastery of all of these things. Why are you thinking about wasting your time in school to learn something slowly and poorly from some idiot? Learn it all yourself and then do whatever you want and simply ignore most of the planet.
There are A LOT of people that know everything about everything. Some people just don't forget things. Some people keep a very good mental map of how things are in constant interaction.
This is 100% noise. Only thing people care about (economically speaking) what you can do for them. Only thing you should care about are they willing to pay you for it, and how much.
This
Sure HR will piss themselves over muh standards but if you can do the task, the hiring manager will tell them to fuck off
This is universal sans some fields with forced prerequisites like law/medicine/engineering
HR doesn’t care as long as you can make a legally solid case as to why it isn’t favoritism. Usually in the fine print if the hiring packet their is an equivalent experience clause for certs. They just give you a lower amount to get the candidate usually.
This person has never puy effort into anything and cannot for his life understand why it is so horrible
Worthless replies
Vlad the Impaler didn't start impaling people until he was in his forties.
Machine Learning and AI is going to be all the rage in a few years, which is you being a consultant and managing datasets, cleaning massive databases with invalid and incomplete data and going thru different AI filters to extract hidden value. Kind of a shit job but it will be in high demand. If I lose my current job that is what I will retrain for.
This is the path I'm taking too anon although I'm a bit younger than you. The way I see it, there's no alternative. Death is preferable to some shitty trade job where you crawl around in shit and inhale fumes all day. I have a genuine interest in tech and computers so I'm just going to take a swing at it, not a maths whizz or some autist whos been coding since I was 12 years old so it will be a struggle but its worth a try.
What's your plan?
3 year compsci degree with a paid year in industry. Should finish with around 15k in debt worst case scenario. The end goal is a wfh job as a software developer although I think specialising in something like cybersecurity could be the move. Salary of anything over 50k is good where I live.
SWE and infosec both pay well.
SWE is easier to break into if you're coming from a degree track and are willing to put effort into the job search. And not dumb effort like 1000 applications a day on jobsites but like networking and taking advantage of your school career contacts etc.
SWE is also easier to reach the top tier salaries.
Both are good though, can't really go wrong if you're smart and motivated.
You could get into SWE much faster without the degree via a bootcamp or self study, but it's a lot harder to break in that way unless you're very good at the job search/networking game.
i hate math, if i have only nfts from ai universe it's because i don't want to use my brain to calculate coin prices, i don't want to imagine sitting around all day coding a fucking wix page
I was a former officer in the army. Left army at 25 and got a comp sci degree at 28. I now have a family, a house, and I work from home in my mid 30's. You have time to shift your left.
shift your life*
I started at 26 and have comfy wfh job at 29, I'll never be rich but I don't care I make enough.
If you have the motivation and self discipline, its not the best way to break into the field.
Best would be get a few respectable certifications by self learning and grt a junior position, something like devops and then move up in a year to mid, and a few more years to senior.
Go to roadmap.sh
It lays out wuite well what skills u need, but if devops like my field get CKA or AWS cert. Also learn GIT and u will b making 3.5k a month after tax sooner than u think
That boat sailed a few months ago and as of today has officially pulled a Titanic. I would either become highly specialized academically or in a trade, anyone who's inbetween is not going to survive the near future.
I would say no, it's probably not a good idea, software is mega saturated at entry level and enrollment in CS is up to the point of absurdity. You will never get a 100k job sitting around writing JavaScript all day like you could in the past, you have to know how to do something else, too. Learn to code on your own and major in something else. You'll probably have to take some kind of CS class regardless of what you pick. It's getting to where you can't get a job as a secretary without knowing VBA or become a warehouse manager without Python, if you can't code it's like being illiterate.
no but its worth grinding all day every day and learning it in 1 summer
The thing is, in this line of business, speed is everything.
Step one is to look up google certificates or equivalents in the area of IT you want to specialize
Particularly these fields are very lucrative.
-Full strack web dev
-Cyber security ><= BIG BUCSSSSSSS
-Anything data related
I need to make clear the importance of SPEED.
This certificate needs to be done by yesterday anon get your ass to work.
It's now or never my friend.
Step two is to build a portfolio of projects.
There are plenty of resources on youtube as to what to build to land a job.
Speed is everithing my friend.
By the time you finish collegue you will be not desired.
I predict that AiAP, AI Assisted Programming will ruin collegue graduates that have
-No additional certifications
-No experience
-No portfolio of projects, shit you have done.
when it comes to get a job.