>labor creates value because because fuck you thats why

>labor creates value because… because fuck you that’s why

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've seen this thread before.
    OP is a homosexual.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How does labor not create value?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If I spend all day in a mine and extract 1oz of gold, and you take a walk in the park and find a 1oz chunk of gold, which 1oz of gold is worth more?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're worth the same in your absurd hypothetical situation, in reality it's obviously quite difficult to find gold so what does this matter?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My labor didn't add value to the gold?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol ok maybe I'm retarded, gold's value is linked to it's scarcity, right?

            It isn't really, say you are a novice craftsman and I'm an expert.
            You craft a chair in 8 hours and I craft a chair in 6 hours and the chairs quality is the same between the two, which chair is worth more?

            The one crafted in 6 hours because you saved time, which increases the value of your labor

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, it didn't.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nor does the labor that goes into lockheed's skunkworks projects when compared to the ufo that crash landed in my backyard.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It isn't really, say you are a novice craftsman and I'm an expert.
          You craft a chair in 8 hours and I craft a chair in 6 hours and the chairs quality is the same between the two, which chair is worth more?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Both are worth whatever the fuck someone is willing to pay for them.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              and by "worth" you mean $ amount.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Precisely labor does not add any inherent value into a product.
              Even in tribal and communal societies that was never the case and often objects had sentimental, personal, religious and spiritual value placed on objects.
              When Karl Marx the israelite adopted the labor theory of value it was already long agreed that it was a flawed and idiotic idea

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Precisely labor does not add any inherent value into a product.
                How do you create a product without labour? (assuming it requires labour).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't but more labor for the exact same product doesn't make that product more valuable.
                Here is the key I said labor doesn't "inherently add value to the product"

                If I don't want something (demand=0) how is it valuable?

                First off you aren't the only one in the market but if there is zero demand there is effectively no value in the product.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you need labour to create a produce that people want then this means that labour is valuable, do you agree?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you and I both create a chair and it takes you 8 hours and it takes me 6 hours to create the chair both with equal outcomes of quality.
                Do I have a chair that is worth less than you?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That wasn't my question. First we have to agree the labour which made the product is valuable, then we do a quantitative analysis.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Labor can be extremely valuable but it does not inherently have value.
                And I poised my question long before

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Again, you're not answering my question.

                If you need labour to create a produce that people want (has value) then this means that labour is valuable, do you agree?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Labor is not inherently valuable but can be valuable.
                You can't pull this when I asked my question first.
                I'm sorry but you answer me first.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >can be valuable.
                Looks like you're agreeing that labour is valuable if the product it creates is valuable.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How much is labor valued with 0 demand?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If the product is valuable this means demand>0.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He answered your question but you are just too retarded to understand it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I already agreed.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                His point still stands though. The point he is making is that labor by itself creates no value. Just because you put in a lot of time and effort making something does not necessarily mean you are entitled to compensation simply for putting in the time and effort.

                A prime example of this are jobs that pay commission rather than salary or hourly wage. A salesman, for example, could spend twelve hours a day trying to make sales to potential clients, but if none of them bite, the salesman doesn't get paid regardless of how much labor he put into his job. That demonstrates right there that labor by itself has no inherent value.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree that not all labour is valuable. The question is what labour is and how much.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's simple if the labor is needed than it is valued.
                How much it's valued is dependent on the amount of labor needed, the skill needed for the labor and the scarcity or abundance of potential laborers.

                Demand in excess of (localized) supply creates scarcity

                You're simply just being anal without demand in excess of localized supply there won't be scarcity.

                dig a hole, put the dirt back in and repeat 100 times, then explain how it created value and wasn’t just a waste of time. Back in the soviet union, like other socialist shitholes including those of the present, the state created an abundance of utterly meaningless jobs

                pic related similar flawed logic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You're simply just being anal
                This whole thread is autists being anal.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s too complex to be regulated, that’s the reason we call it the ‘free market’ since the two parties are supposed to negotiate the price depending on their subjective interpretation of the inherent value of the product/service

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dig a hole, put the dirt back in and repeat 100 times, then explain how it created value and wasn’t just a waste of time. Back in the soviet union, like other socialist shitholes including those of the present, the state created an abundance of utterly meaningless jobs

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >utterly meaningless jobs
        Sounds very familiar.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IF I SPEND ALL DAY BANGING ROCKS TOGETHER, DO I NOT DESERVE TO HAVE MY DICK SUCKED!?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >digs a hole
    >buries it
    Somebody better pay up

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That happens in the military all the fucking time homosexual. A business would be a military all day if it wasn't illegal.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nice hole. I’d like to place this nazi sympathizer in there. I’ll pay you 2 labor vouchers

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Labor creates value because you have to pay someone to work for you. You effectively used to pay slaves by feeding them, because your initial investment in buying or capturing them would be a loss if you didn't. Wage labor and automation today creates a norm that absolves the overclass of this responsibility.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Many jobs don't create value but gibsmedat, white boi. - D. Grabbler

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >84
      hahahhahahahaha

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not all labour creates value and not everything that is valuable requires labour.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not everything that is valuable requires labour.
      Historical artifacts and unique collectables? Cant really think about actual reproducable commodities to which this applies.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >demand creates value because.... because fuck you that's why

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I demand your mom.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Demand doesn't create value.
      Scarcity creates value.
      Demand creates scarcity.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's even stupider.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's basically economics in a nutshell. Create crazy ideas and see which ones stick.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And old israeli hands control both demand and scarcity.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If I don't want something (demand=0) how is it valuable?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          israelites use media to dress up one of their celebrity monkeys in vans and then tell naggers to buy the newest vans

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's not. At least not to you. And that's the point being made. Demand creates value, and what's valuable is different for each person according to their individual wants and needs.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Right. However, without labour that demand would not be satisfied (assuming it requires labour).

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How much is labor valued with 0 demand?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not. I didn't say it is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So then labor isn't inherently valuable

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If by "inherently" you mean all labour then no it's not.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I would add, nothing is inherently valuable.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                feeling good is inherently valuable

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because humans inherently prefer to feel good. I.e. there is inherent demand for it by definition

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Because humans inherently prefer to feel good
                How do you know that? maybe some people enjoy feeling bad.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How do you know that? maybe some people enjoy feeling bad.
                Then they would call it feeling good

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How do you know that? maybe some people enjoy feeling bad.
                Then they would call it feeling good

                The definition of goodness is that it is preferable to badness

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Preferring x over y does not inherently tell anything about them other than there is x and y.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Demand in excess of (localized) supply creates scarcity

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Labour does create value, OP is attempting to doublespeak, pilpul and hegalian dialect Psyop you into remaining subservient to israeli economic systems. Hitler's Germany valued labour over gold and he brought his country from a degenerate, inflated economic turmoil ridden cesspool of kike filth into the strongest country that had the world on it's heels.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pay me for my time or we make the French revolution look like a joke
    Yes.jpg why is it so hard for people to not be double dealing israelite?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fuck germans

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >another day another homosexual op shilling his opinions

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Labour to fulfil demand creates value.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Marx made some good points about the psychological effects of the Capitalist logic:

    >It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of Philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, it has set up that single, unconscionable freedom -- free trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

    And anyone who regards himself a genuine Conservative should find himself agreeing. The caveat here is that Marx didn't see this as a problem but as a feature of Capitalism, which he viewed as a necessary dialectic step on the road to Communism, which would be the complete liberation of the individual from all essential bonds, essential identities, etc.; the ontological basis of Marxism is Liberalism, in that regard, Marxists have the same end-goal as Libertarians, Anarcho-Capitalists, etc. - they only disagree about the means to get there.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the correct kind of labor produces value

    the correct amount of labor produces value

    too much labor adds no extra value

    unskilled labor can detract from value

    labor for labor’s sake is worthless, i.e. digging a hole then filling it back in.

    the problem with the labor theory of value is it’s simplistic to the point of being useless.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you forgot to attach a picture to your shitpost

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the problem with the labor theory of value is that you don't actually understand it. With the LTV Marx was attempting to understand/explain how a CAPITALIST mode of production works.

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