Klishchiivka was Liberated

Are you retarded? It means that after a year and a half russia has failed in its invasion of ukraine, and the best it can do now is barely hold on to the captured territory.

Why are you acting genuinely dumb? The german invasion of the soviet union first failed when they didn't capture stalingrad, leningrad and moscow, and not at the end when the soviet union restored its territory and was advancing west?

No retard, I'm saying that russia failed when it didn't capture zaporozhia, kharkov, kiev, dnipro and chernigov. Ukraine is the defending party here that's also advancing.

>The german invasion of the soviet union first failed
Germ war plan failed due to false assumptions. They, same as Napoleon, betted on destroying the main bulk of russian forces in the decisive close to borders battle. In their prewar calculations they assumed what atfer the they win the initial battle Soviet Union would not have more troops. They greatlu miscalculated the amount of divisions in soviet army, the soviet industrial output, the amount of tanks and planes, already produced by USSR was a revelation to them. Why? Because NKVD did it's job well. Foreign spies networks were crushed.

So it's similar as to how russia first focused its forces on the wrong places (kharkov and donbass but not along dniepr) and how they underestimated western aid.

They should have changed strategy after the initial blunder. The only thing russia managed to capture after it is bakhmut, while losing much more ground.
Or is it because russia can't declare a full out war due to internal problems?

Nobody declares wars in modern times, to escape the juridical obligations coming with it. Did american declared war on Vietnam? Or Iraq? No they didn't.
>They should have changed strategy after the initial blunder.
They tried, remember march meetings at Istanbul? When anglos insisted on hohols leaving the talks. Anglos wanted full scaled war. They got it.

When both sides commit to war effort, and their armed forced along with MIC potential engage in combat at biggest possible level.

How did it fail? They hold 20% of ukraine while ukraine holds 0% of Russia.

I love the nafoid alternative universe of copes.

Are you brain dead? The second army in the world can’t control its own annexed capitals. That’s pathetic. Modern capable militaries don’t annex capitals they don’t even control.

Peak hypocritical to argue ‘Ukraine aren’t even 10% of the way to the coast!’ and ‘so what if we don’t control annexed capitals! The line of control isn’t final!’ in the same breath.

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So far 2% of the annual budget of one constituent country has been spent on this war.

I really did not understand what the fuck are you rambling on about here. Could you try not in broken ass English?

I’m not translating standard English for a swarthy ESL speaker fuck off lol.

Why are you acting genuinely dumb? The german invasion of the soviet union first failed when they didn't capture stalingrad, leningrad and moscow, and not at the end when the soviet union restored its territory and was advancing west?

I like how nafonaggers always play retarded even when their masters disprove their cope about israelitekraine "standing alone against aggression":

2 years of nafonaggers tears trying to cope with the fact that united forces of NATO are being defeated by "2% of world GDP". Makes me smile every time.

>So far 2% of the annual budget of one constituent country has been spent on this war
Schizoid, please. Your ramblings are interesting from a scientific point of view, but barely entertaining anymore.

2 years of nafonaggers tears trying to cope with the fact that united forces of NATO are being defeated by "2% of world GDP". Makes me smile every time.

Dude, I don't read russian but I can still read a map. Your map shows the slavs precisely inn polesie in western ukraine,
>Most likely in Asia
Not even the indo-europeans originated in asia, so why should the slavs?

Do you even know what archeology or genetics are? It's widely accepted from where slavs originated. Even linguistics prove it.
Indoeuropean in southern russia and ukraine -> baltoslavic in belarus and ukraine -> protoslavic in western ukraine and south belarus.
The only one who's confused is you.
>The consensus is that Slavs became a thing long before the separation of Eastern Slavs
Absolutely, that's why I'm talking about protoslavs who also lived in western ukraine.

The huns were the reason why the slavs spread north, east, south and west. So not only did the huns help the slavs, but they also made up a big part of the hun army ranks, as we can see with the slavic spread in the balkans.

the point is that it's irrelevant where slavs originated from. Are roaches from Turkyiv Byzantine? Would you call me Orpheus or Spartacus because Thracians lived here 16 centuries ago?

Do you know what Ukraine means? Have you heard of the Pale of Settlement? Cossacks?

they should secede and join nato and eu then

Greeks and Bulgars also lived there, are we part of the Slavic birthplace?

>Out of africa is a myth
Nevermind, just saw this. Lmao, speaking so long with an actual schizoid.

Make a complete thesis, schizo. What part of genetic science you don't like exactly.

Then I don't understand what russia is trying to achieve right now in ukraine. The more it stays in ukraine the more it loses and weaker it becomes.

I'm talking about its military.

What the fuck are you on? why do hohol shills just completely lose the plot? If Russia left, they'd be infinitely weaker and would lose Crimea, which they've held since 2014. They're objectively weaker if they abandon their positions. You fucking retards act like repeating stupid nonsense will suddenly change the objective reality. "Embarrassment" is literally completely fucking meaningless except to autists with underdeveloped world views. All they have to do is let Ukraine exhaust itself and either pressure them after or simply negotiate a favorable conclusion. No matter the result, Ukraine is fucked.

You obviously don't understand if you think Russia still has any ambitions at annexing Ukraine or whatever, because bum-rushing city centers didn't work the first fucking time why would they go for it again?

I never said russia should abandon crimea, learn to read and not strawman so much.

I said political but the implications are more of a social and economic kind. I think most people in the territory still held by Ukraine support the war effort.

Russia holds 20 of Ukrainian land. This means Russia is losing. Ukraine lost its territory and occupies zero Russian land. This means Ukraine is winning.

Russia hasn't achieved its objectives of getting donbass and zaporozhia, and by waiting more its letting cheap ukrainian drones harrass it more and more.

What the fuck are you on? why do hohol shills just completely lose the plot? If Russia left, they'd be infinitely weaker and would lose Crimea, which they've held since 2014. They're objectively weaker if they abandon their positions. You fucking retards act like repeating stupid nonsense will suddenly change the objective reality. "Embarrassment" is literally completely fucking meaningless except to autists with underdeveloped world views. All they have to do is let Ukraine exhaust itself and either pressure them after or simply negotiate a favorable conclusion. No matter the result, Ukraine is fucked.

You obviously don't understand if you think Russia still has any ambitions at annexing Ukraine or whatever, because bum-rushing city centers didn't work the first fucking time why would they go for it again?

So russia weakening itself is good as long as ukraine is also destroyed? This isn't like germany in ww2, if the enemy (ukraine here) is defeated the fight still won't be over for russia.

>as ukraine is also destroyed?
Yes, that's a victory. Anglos(aka globohomo) cannot wage it's proxy war without willing slaves who will act as cannon fodder for them. So when we bleed the Hoholistan demographics and turn the life there into living nightmare, everybody escapes from, we will stop and thus win this war. EU industrial weakening will indirectly help us to bleed the hohols demographics faster.

I see this war keep going until 2028 with more than million male body able hohols dead.

>a completely destroyed russia
That part came from your fantasy, though.

Problem is Russia getting a little weaker isn't enough to balance out the irreparable damage Ukraine is going through. There is a reason they're fighting this as a war of attrition, time is very much on Russia's side.

Hopefully not, Poland should be next. Those polnaggers deserve it so much and I wanna see how much they beg nato for help.

The only places russia has managed to capture after its invasion are the empty forests of lugansk and the empty field of zaporozhia. Not a single important city other than mariupol. There isn't much to integrate and benefit from.

>entire coast
Look at a map. They only got azov coast, which was useless for ukraine since russia closed it with crimea.

>Aside from Odessa
>Ukraine is landlocked
Dude you can't be serious.

Only the empty part of kherson which doesn't contain any ports. Odessa and mykolaiv are the main ports of ukraine.

Why are you acting stupid? You said that ukraine is landlocked, which is wrong. Now what is your point?

>single coastal city.
You keep showing your ignorance.

It's "widely accepted" only in the same schizo forums believing that out of Africa is a myth, and it's actually Tibet/Atlantida, or these numerous schizoid theories about parallel development, chinks are very fond of them.
Again, learn the meaning of the word ethnogenesis, retard. There is no scientific consensus about the origins, the only thing that's certain is that it happened before their arrival in Europe. You just said that before settling in Belarus and that small part of northern israelitekraine, Slavs didn't exist. Do you also believe that the ancestors of R1a have always been in Europe, they didn't come from Africa, Homo Sapins didn't replace Neanderthals, etc? Or you're one of those kids who think that Slavic history starts with Romans mentioning them?
The only one who makes it confusing is you, because you contradict yourself for the 2nd post in row.

>I'm talking about protoslavs
You said "Slavs" precisely, not "protoslavs", lmao. Not that it matters, because ethnogenesis of R1a (and R1b for the most part) tribes happened even before their arrival to Europe, let along their modern zones of settlement.

>There is no scientific consensus about the origins, the only thing that's certain is that it happened before their arrival in Europe. You just said that before settling in Belarus and that small part of northern israelitekraine, Slavs didn't exist.
What are you talking about? The slavs didn't arrive in western ukraine, they originated from it after evolving from the baltoslavic branch which was already in their.
R1a is corded ware which also was always present in ukraine.
The ethnogenisis of the slavs is their development from baltoslavic to protoslavic which we know many details about.

Holy strawmanning.

Make a complete thesis, schizo. What part of genetic science you don't like exactly.

Make a complete thesis, schizo. What part of genetic science you don't like exactly.

>The slavs didn't arrive in western ukraine, they originated from it after evolving from the baltoslavic branch
I'm afraid to ask what you mean by "evolving" given all that bs you've produced already. "Balts" separated from Slavs at some point, indeed, or more precisely they are the parts of the big tribal group that were left behind and become isolated. The main "branch" fully preserved. Are you trying to cope that Slavs emerged the moment a couple of tiny endemic groups separated from them, and before that there was no Slavic language, Slavic religion, etc? What's your point?

>R1a is corded ware which also was always present in ukraine
When is "always", lmao? Bronze age, Cambrian?

>gets weaker and weaker
In some departments of economy and society it's indeed weakens us, but in others - no. War forced Russia to rely on local production in many areas, when before we were dependent on import, because why bother? We can buy it. But now there is demand for new jobs, new companies, to replace the western sources. In the end Russia will become stronger in some departments, compared to prewar situation.
>wages war against ukraine
Against globohomo, Hoholistan is just living tool.

>what russia is trying to achieve right now in ukraine
Total hohol draft.

>weakened by sanctions
Nah, those sanctions created a situation in which lazy Russian assholes have to do something on their own instead of buying everything from the West. The war and subsequent events have provided Russia with the opportunity to build an independent, self-sufficient economy. We can't invest in the west anymore, so all the money will stay here and work on our future rather than on villas in Italy and Spain.