>Jesus is not God
>Jesus is Michael the Archangel
>Jesus returned invisibly in 1914
>Only the anointed may take part in the eucharist
>You become anointed by simply declaring "I am anointed!"
>The 144,000 anointed will live in heaven and rule over the sheep who live on earth
>The Governing Body is the middle-man mediator of Christ, who is the mediator of God
>Armageddon is right around the corner
>The Watchtower Magazine has priority over the Bible
>Hell isn't real
Are they correct?
why do you type like that?
why are you pressing enter twice?
Only the anointed type like that. It is the way of heavenly kings.
Jehovah"s Witness here. I personally know Jehovah and I walk with God.
That's impossible. Only the Governing Body can know Jehovah.
Nay, nay.
The GB rule with Jehovah.
You clean Kingdom Hall bathrooms for free.
I actually like it
Makes it easier to read
Yahya Muhammad is Angel Jibreel and Isa Ali is Angel Meekaeel.
everybody knows that!
everytime I see one of those homosexuals with their shitty little pamphlet stand my bright day just gets that little bit dimmer. All these protestant splinter groups should just off themselvs
KYS.
WE PROTESTANTS WILL END THE KEKTHOLICS
>WE
>PROTESTANTS
and you already tripped,
>protestant
JWs are heretical cultists.
We are the one true Christian sect. All others will go to the metaphorical lake of fire. There is no salvation outside Watchtower.
But you can't the Orthodox, because being anti Catholic is all you know, all you are.
>You become anointed by simply declaring "I am anointed!"
That's not how it works.
The anointed one knows directly from Jehovah God that he or she has been chosen.
>The Governing Body is the middle-man mediator of Christ, who is the mediator of God
That is also erroneous. The gb does not act in that capacity or any other capacity as a “mediator” between God and men. They are simply the avenue through which Jehovah reveals the truth to us, through the decision-making process about what doctrines to enforce and when, as well as approving publications regarding understanding of prophecy, and providing us our "measure of [spiritual] food supplies at the proper time." (Luke 12:42)
>>The Watchtower Magazine has priority over the Bible
This is throroughly incorrect. Jehovah's Witnesses read the Bible first, the Watchtower second.
JWs are the original church
Yes he did
In 2006, the book Jesus and Archaeology said: “No reputable scholar today questions that a israelite named Jesus son of Joseph lived; most readily admit that we now know a considerable amount about his actions and his basic teachings.”
Cults are dangerous are manipulate people so that their leaders can obtain power and money.
Jehovah’s Witnesses simply strive to adhere to the form of Christianity that Jesus taught and that his apostles practiced
Because Jesus Christ spoke an illustration highlighting the fact that people would “fall away” from his teachings. He presented different types of “soil” (or heart conditions of people) who would hear and accept the word initially, but for various reasons, eventually fall away. (Luke 8:11-15)
>The anointed one knows directly from Jehovah God that he or she has been chosen.
And then they come out and say "I... DECLARE... ANOINTED!!!" like Michael Scott from The Office and then they will be an eternal king in heaven, equal to Jesus himself.
Are you a witiness?
Yes I am
>Cults are dangerous are manipulate people so that their leaders can obtain power and money.
Joseph Smith gets an impossible to verify revelation where he is the most important man since the Son of God, and it all degenerates into a polygamy cult of personality with secret anointings and degrees.
literally a cookie cutter cult.
oh, and not to forget, they deny the divinity of the Son of God. That alone makes it not Christian.
That’s right and they also literally demand members become jannies rather than pursue a degree.
Not true at all.
What Jehovah’s Witnesses have done over the decades is issue balanced warnings against pursuing a college education for the wrong reasons, while urging members to think about why they are pursuing a college education using questions like: “What are my goals in life ?”, or “am I looking to support my service to God, or get ahead in this world ?”
These are very logical questions for any Christian to ask themselves.
Correct
Anyone can have a personal relationship with God and come to know him.
If all the Governing Body members die of old age, and all the things you've been telling people don't come true, will you publicly apologize to all the people you mislead or will you keep holding out until you are 100 years old?
>If all the Governing Body members die of old age
It won't happen, we will always have a governing body until the great tribulation
And Jesus said that there will still be some anointed christians alive at his second coming
And if the Great Tribulation doesn't come and all the Governing Body members pass away from old age, what will you say?
>And if the Great Tribulation doesn't come
It will, so there's no need to speculate about your wishful thinking
I wonder just how devastated you'll be when it doesn't happen. There will probably be a lot of JW's committing suicide, good riddance.
>I wonder just how devastated you'll be about something I just made up
????????
You guys have been saying it's going to happen for 150 years and it never comes true. Sounds like you're the ones making stuff up.
The end times began in 1914
Jesus said that the End will come once everyone has had the opportunity to hear the message
The good news is currently being preached aeound the world, and thanks to God's blessing jw.org is the most translated website on earth
>Luke 18:19 "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.
>John 10:11 "I am the good shepherd"
Jesus said he was good, therefore he is God.
Jesus was saying only God is good in the most supreme sense
God is superior to Jesus, as he himself said:
“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”—John 14:28
Jesus said only God is good.
Jesus called himself good.
Therefore Jesus is God.
Your word games adding in "supreme" aren't going to work.
Clock is ticking. Most of those motherfuckers are dead already.
JW are so anti pagan
When the GB started showing their faces, millions should have turned out.
*tuned
Jesus didn't exist.
I didn't?
Shut up Michael.
I used to be one when I was younger. I'll answer any questions
Why did you leave
1.JW's are massive hypocrites. When I needed the most help in my life they all keft me because I was bad association for having depression and Suicidal thoughts. I hate everyone of them now. Wittinesses will preach love but its a massive pecking order. The moment you have the slightest issue your friends will abandon you because of "bad association" and throw you under the bus.
2.It's funny how many witness youths speak around and live double lives. Most the people I grew up with did that. I received many blowjobs from exs because that diesnt violate the non sex policy.
3. My mother is a witness fanatic. Pushed that shit all the time on my brother and I. We couldn't do college have any fun in high-school nothing. I'd rather go to hell than live in a world of those people
Your testimony isn't reliable since, as Professor David Bromley, Department of Sociology and Anthropology of Virginia Commonwealth University, explains in his book "The Politics of Religious Apostasy: The Role of Apostates in the Transformation of Religious Movement", individuals who elect to leave a chosen faith must then become critical of their religion in order to justify their departure.
Jesus is good, and God is good. Since God is superior to Jesus, God is even more good than Jesus. Therefore, Jesus is not God.
>Jesus is good
Jesus said no one is good but God, so how can you call him good?
Jesus was saying only God is good in the most supreme sense
Your game of pretending not to understand isn't going to work.
>in the most supreme sense
It doesn't say that, you're adding to the scriptures.
I am not, it is the result of critical thinking which you either lack or refuse to use.
The Father was greater than Jesus only when Jesus was in human form. When Jesus ascended to heaven, he became equal with the Father.
You add to the scriptures and twist the words.
>When Jesus ascended to heaven, he became equal with the Father.
Here is are Scriptures after Jesus' ascession to heaven:
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”—1 Peter 1:3.
"The head of Christ is God." —1 Corinthians 11:3
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him"—Revelation 1:1
None is equal to the Father. Ascribing equals to Jehovah is idolatry.
The same is said about the Son as is about Jehovah:
>Psalm 102
1 O Jehovah, hear my prayer!
...
24 I say, “O my God, do not take me away in the midst of my days,
Your years are from generation to all generations.
25 Of old You founded the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
26 Even they will perish, but You will remain;
And all of them will wear out like a garment;
Like clothing You will change them and they will be changed.
27 But You are the same,
And Your years will not come to an end.
>Hebrews 1
8 But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness above Your companions.”
10 And,
“You, Lord, in the beginning founded the earth,
And the heavens are the works of Your hands;
11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they all will wear out like a garment,
12 And like a mantle You will roll them up;
Like a garment they will also be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not come to an end.”
>Psalm 102
Paul attributes these qualities to Jesus Christ, because Jesus is the one whom God used in the work of creation
Jesus worked alongside God “as a master worker.” (Proverbs 8:30) Regarding Jesus, the Bible says: “By means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth.”—Colossians 1:16.
God worked through Jesus to bring every other creation into existence. This creation included all other spirit creatures, as well as the physical universe. (Revelation 5:11) In some respects, this cooperation between God and Jesus was like that of an architect working with a builder. The architect creates the design; the builder brings the design to reality.
>Hebrews 1
literally the original NT Greek manuscripts read: “Toward but the son the throne of you the god into the age of the age.”
No one should deny that the title theos (NT Greek word meaning “God,” “god,” “mighty one,” “divine,” etc.) can be applied to Jesus, just as it was applied in the scriptures to angels, judges of Israel, Moses, and (according to some trinitarian authorities) even the kings of Israel.
But theos is NEVER applied to Jesus with the most high sense that is given only to the Almighty, Most High, only true God !!!
So it was used at Hebrews 1:8 in its positive secondary sense:
“Your throne, o mighty one [theos], is ...”. This seems even more probable when we remember that Paul is really quoting from Psalm 45:6.
Psalm 45 is celebrating an Israelite king’s marriage, and the psalmist applies the words of Psalm 45:6, 7 literally to an ancient Israelite king. In fact, the trinitarian New American Standard Bible (NASB), Reference Edition, explains in a footnote for Psalm 45:1, “Probably refers to Solomon as a type of Christ.”
So, according to this trinitarian Bible, the words of Psalm 45:6, although figuratively referring to Jesus, were literally applied to an ancient ISRAELITE KING
No. You have been defeated.
what an idolater polytheist thinks is of no concern of mine
The Bible says it plainly. It's not my fault you can't accept it because you are brainwashed and mentally ill. That's your problem.
Yes, the Bible says it plainly
“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”—John 14:28.
“I [Jesus] ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.”—John 20:17.
“To us there is but one God, the Father.”—1 Corinthians 8:6.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”—1 Peter 1:3.
Trinitybros, how do you respond to this?
They cannot
As Isaac Newton says, the trinity is false..:
“4. Because God begot the Son at some time, he had not existence from eternity. Proverbs 8:23, 25.
5. Because the Father is greater than the Son. John 14:28.
6. Because the Son did not know his last hour. Mark 13:32, Matt. 24:36, Rev. 1:1, 5:3.
7. Because the Son received all things from the Father.”
Hebrews 1 says Jesus is not an angel. Archangel is still an angel. So there's nothing else Jesus can be except an emanation of God, which means he is God.
>Hebrews 1 says Jesus is not an angel
That's not what Hebrews 1 says.
there is no reason to argue that the apostle Paul was asking rhetorical questions. Here is each of Paul’s rhetorical questions, along with the earlier Scriptural references from which Paul quotes...
From Hebrews 1:5, the question posed:
Q: [quote]To which one of the angels did [God] ever say: "You are my son; I, today, I have become your father"?[unquote]
The obvious answer:
To which angel ? To the angel Jesus, the Christ, as Psalm 2 shows !
.. ..(Psalm 2:2-12) High officials themselves have massed together as one Against Jehovah and against his anointed one [footnote; "Christ"]... Let me refer to the decree of Jehovah; He has said to me: "You are my son; I, today, I have become your father..."
From Hebrews 1:5, the question posed:
Q: [quote]To which of one of the angels did [God] ever say: ..."I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son"?[unquote]
The obvious answer:
To which angel ? To the angel Jesus, God's chosen King, as 2 Samuel 7 shows !
.. ..(2 Samuel 7:11-14) Jehovah has told you ... I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son.
From Hebrews 1:13, the question posed:
Q: [quote]To which one of the angels has [God] ever said: “Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet”?[unquote]
The obvious answer:
To which angel ? To the angel Jesus, who waited patiently for God's purposes to unfold, as Psalm 110 shows !
.. ..(Psalm 110:1) The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
Remarkably, the only way this passage from Hebrews could possibly reconcile with trinitarianism is if one incorrectly believes that Paul was somehow asking trick questions to confuse his readers.
You're mistranslating the Greek!
>To which ONE of the angels did [God] ever say
>one
It says, "To which of the angels did God EVER say"
That's like saying, "When did I EVER say my favorite color is orange."
That is the same as saying, "I NEVER said my favorite color is orange."
God NEVER called ANY angel his begotten son.
You misrepresent the Greek scriptures by adding extra words, you are a deceiver and I'm done with you.
when each question frames itself as asking about “which angel” ("to which angel...?") then a well-read Bible student in Paul's day or our own day would immediately recognize the quoted verses which supply each answer as pointing to Jesus (A: "the angel is Jesus!"), and reminding that Jesus is a distinct person from Jehovah.
it is important to address a large problem that exists where you do not have the proper understanding of what the literal definition of "angel" in the Bible is.
Both the Hebrew mal·´akh´ and the Greek ag´ge·los literally mean “messenger.” When spirit messengers are indicated, the words are translated “angels,” but if the reference definitely is to humans, the rendering is “messengers.” (Gen. 16:7; 32:3; Jas. 2:25; Rev. 22:8) Whether human or angelic messengers are meant can be determined by the context.
When Jesus was on earth, he was God's foremost messenger.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/hebrews/1-5.htm
You mistranslated the Greek in order to push your JW doctrines.
Your own link says:
« did [God] ever say:
εἶπέν (eipen)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's 2036: Answer, bid, bring word, command. A primary verb; to speak or say. »
It literally does not support anything you said
The word 'ever' is not it he Greek
Tini (To which) gar (for) eipen (did He say) pote (ever)
pote
pote
pote
Literally, it says word for word:
" For - which - the - angel - command - you - exist - I - son "
(To which of the angels have I said you are my son)
The answer: Jesus Christ
https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/nwt/books/hebrews/1/
NWT
For example, to which one of the angels did God EVER say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”?
The answer: None
Straight from your own JW Bible. Congrats, you played yourself.
Oh yeah, I just noticed your NWT added the word "one" that is not in the Greek. Truly wicked deceivers.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%84%CE%AD
Pote points to a location in time
You twist the words of the Scriptures to justify your idolatry and polytheism.
You have failed to demonstrate that "God NEVER called ANY angel his begotten son." as you have declared
Hebrews 1:5 and 1:13 are absolutely the opposite of what you said !
In fact, these verses (along with the verses from which Paul there quotes) demonstrate conclusively that Jesus is (and was) an angel and distinct from Jehovah. Those verses ask three questions which are actually specific references to earlier Scriptures about Jesus, and each and every one of those Hebrew Scriptures juxtaposes Jesus as separate and distinct from the person of "Jehovah" (note that each referenced "Old Testament" Scripture actually uses the Tetragrammaton).
Get the fuck away from me, corrupting the Greek like that, you are demonic.
>Oh yeah, I just noticed your NWT added the word "one" that is not in the Greek. Truly wicked deceivers.
Explain the difference between
"To which of the angels did I" and "to which *one* of the angels did I"
There is none
You are making a fool of yourself. It's time to stop, idolater
"To which of the angels did I ever say" means:
"I never said of the angels".
"To which *one* of the angels did I ever say" means:
"I said of one of the angels".
No it does not
You are defeated
Repent and repeat after me.
'There is no God but Jehovah and Jesus is his son.'
Fuck Jehovah and fuck the Jehovah's witnesses. You will die defeated when all your prophecies fail, like they have time and time again, you are the laughing stock of the world.
"You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved." (Matthew 10:22)
Thanks for proving Jesus right
You're hated because you mistranslate the Greek. You're the false prophet Jesus spoke of. Thanks for proving him right.
I will leave JWs if you show me one 'mistranslated' verse in the NWT
That's 1 Google search away.
But I want you to stay a JW so that you will die with such great disappointment.
>That's 1 Google search away.
Ok, here is what I found
"The New World Translation is based on up-to-date scholarly research and the most reliable ancient manuscripts"
Every Bible translation intro page says that.
Name the scholars that translated the NWT.
They remain anonymous because they direct the glory to Jehovah and not to themselves
Still waiting for that single 'mistranslated' verse from the NWT
So scholarly that you can't name the "scholars", wow.
There's no need since Jehovah is the author of the Bible, not the translators
Ladies and gentlemen, this is why you can't argue with a schizo. I rest my case, you be the judge.
Any victory for Jehovah.
>To which *one* of the angels did I ever say
Sorry, this sentence doesn't actually make sense, because the word "ever" means "never"
You are becoming more and more embarassing with each of your posts
Repent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions
Debunked
https://jehovah.to/xlation/fp.html
Here's the correction
"To which of the angels did I ever say" means:
"I never said of the angels".
"To which *one* of the angels did I ever say" means:
"I never said of one of the angels".
That's how english works, sorry you can't understand because you are french.
Question: "To which of the angels did I ever say you are my Son ?"
Answer: "Jesus Christ"
The word "ever" implies NEVER.
Learn English.
ever, at any time (emphatic)
Θα σταματήσεις ποτέ αυτή τη φασαρία;
Tha stamatíseis poté aftí ti fasaría?
Will you ever stop this trouble?
Γύρισε και είναι καλύτερα από ποτέ.
Gýrise kai eínai kalýtera apó poté.
He is back and better than ever.
It's over. Repent.
So if I say, "When did I EVER say orange is my favorite color?"
To you that means orange IS my favorite color?
Are you retarded?
>ποτέ • (poté)
>ever, at any time (emphatic)
if Jesus is simply an "emanation" of God then God never actually died, and that whole Passion thing was pointless.
Hebrews 1 is explaining how Jesus, different from God, is superior to the angels. Why not say right then and there "Jesus is God"?
Jehovah:
>Called God
>Founded the earth
>Heavens are the works of his hands
>Will not perish
>Will not change
Jesus:
>Called God
>Founded the earth
>Heavens are the works of his hands
>Will not perish
>Will not change
It did say Jesus is God.
Hebrews 1 is in fact saying explicitly what Jesus *is*, and it's not God, but:
"the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person" (verse 5, KJV)
surely not *any* angel, but not God either
verse 3*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo%27s_view_of_God
Relation of the Logos to God
Philo's conception of the Logos is directly related to the Middle Platonic view of God as unmoved and utterly transcendent. As such, the Logos becomes the aspect of the divine that operates in the world—through whom the world is created and sustained. Philo, in connecting his doctrine of the Logos with Scripture, first of all bases on Gen. i. 27 the relation of the Logos to God. He translates this passage as follows: "He made man after the image of God," concluding therefrom that an image of God existed. This image of God is the type for all other things (the "Archetypal Idea" of Plato), a seal impressed upon things. The Logos is a kind of shadow cast by God, having the outlines but not the blinding light of the Divine Being.
>Relation of the Logos to God
True
>Not in the Bible
True
>That's where the Bible got the idea from
at least that's what John knew that would come up to the head of many who read Jn 1:1, so yeah true too
yet, Logos is still different from God, even if it's its perfect image
Ahh you really are a wittiness. I grew up as one all my child hood. I did all the field service went through that red BE book seceral times gave readings, talks, Even had a part in our convention id fort worth.
I did rbc even train witnessing and rual witinessing. My friends all turned on me the moment I had some issues. So did the elders. I'm glad that didn't happen to you. God abandoned me
JWs are right that Jesus is not God. He was even accused of making himself out to be God and instead of agreeing with his accusers, he defended himself.
Indeed
This was already settled when James White lost a debate against a JW
Greg Stafford is no longer a JW. Even he saw through the bullshit.
He was at the time of the debate, but his ego became inflated and he wanted to become a cult leader so he went and created his own (unsuccessful) sect
He has not remained on the truth just like Judas Iscariot. I have watched his latest videos, he is clearly unhinged and is obsessed with Sam Shamoun
If only he has remained a Christian, none of this would have happened to him
What can be done to save JWanon at this point? Or are they basically the walking dead?
>YOU WILL BELIEVE THAT THE UNIVERSE CAME OUT OF NOTHING
>YOU WILL NOT HAVE A HOPE AND A FUTURE
>YOU WILL BECOME A NIHILIST
>YOU WILL SERVE THE STATE AND THE CORPORATIONS UNTIL YOU DIE
No thanks
>No hope, no future
>Will become a nihilist
>Will serve a corporation
You summed up the Jehovah's Witnesses.
>no u !
May Jehovah save you from your NPC state.
You are a zombie. Literal NPC cattle for a publishing company. They dictate your every thought and every move. I have escaped the Matrix while you remain trapped.
Will you be saying the same thing when Jesus comes back to save JWs ?
No you won't
Lord Jesus, save JWanon from her delusions. Tell her to drink the wine and eat the bread before it is too late and she is cast into the lake of fire.
Praying Jesus is idolatry
No wonder your life is so terrible, Jesus has never heard your prayers.
May Jesus save you from your mental illness and your creature worship of the Governing Body.
>You WILL believe that Jaysooos revealed himself to a select group of 1800s schizos and only to them
>You WILL not save up for old age
>You WILL ignore your problems because the tribulation will happen any day now
>You WILL serve the governing body and pay for their mansions
yes, please!
t. Jay Dubya
JWs are the first religion that exist, it wasn't founded in the 1800s
I won't reach old age, Paradise is just around the corner
Any problem I have can be endured thanks to the holy spirit
The governing body don't live in a mansion but in modest rooms with their wives, and they are poorer than most Americans
I don't know any poor people that wear $20,000 Rolexes and $5,000 suits everyday and fill their shopping carts with 20 bottles of the finest liquor like Anthony Morris.
>this again
Clothing and accessories are provided by the organization mostly from donated clothing and funds donated for that purpose, if any.
some witnesses may give them gifts but these too are generally modest, the watch being a rare exception. A rich JW gifted it to him. I know they don't teach generosity in atheist families, but that's how we Christians are. We like to give to our friends
They have a small monthly allowance each month for personal needs as well as room and board the same as all Bethelites. Of course if they have outside income from a pension, a 401K or Social Security that is theirs to keep also if they choose to do so.
They cannot work an outside job and keep any money thus earned.
That is where Brother Morris obtained the money to buy 5 bottles of whiskey. I get a kick out of that story. I saw the video. I could not tell WHAT he was buying or what he paid for it.
It was first stated to be 5 - $50 bottles of Scotch. A little later it was $100 bottles of Scotch. The last time someone brought this up it was over $1,000 worth of Scotch.
Jesus said to pray only to Jehovah
Jesus said it will be harder for a Governing Body member wearing a gold Rolex to enter heaven than a camel to go through the eye of a needle.
Making up verses is a sin
εἶπεν δὲ αὐτοῖς ὅταν προσεύχησθε λέγετε πάτερ ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σου ἐλθέτω ἡ βασιλεία σου
>Making up verses is a sin
Yeah, you made up the fact that he said "Jehovah" when he actually said "Father".
Jesus and the Father are both "Jehovah".
Jehovah is the Father
You got caught. The Greek doesn't check out.
IT'S OVER
IT'S OVER FOR YOU JWANON
Jesus is the Son
Jehovah is the Father
What's your deal schizo
How many people on LULZ have you converted and are now baptized JW's?
What does it mean to be the "Son of God"?
The Bible explains:
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
It means to be equal with God, to be Jehovah.
Jesus’ opposers are the ones who accused him of making himself equal to God. (John 5:18; 10:30-33)
However, Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”—John 14:28.
>Jesus’ opposers are the ones who accused him of making himself equal to God.
The Holy Spirit is narrating and explaining what "Son of God" means to the reader.
Thanks for admitting you were making things up
“God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20.
>Called God
Jesus is called a godw never God
>Founded the earth
>Heavens are the works of his hands
God worked through Jesus to bring every other creation into existence. This creation included all other spirit creatures, as well as the physical universe. (Revelation 5:11) In some respects, this cooperation between God and Jesus was like that of an architect working with a builder. The architect creates the design; the builder brings the design to reality.
>Will not perish
Funny you'd say that considering that Christianity is based on the death of Jesus
>Will not change
Where does it say that ?
>It did say Jesus is God.
God created Jesus before he created anything else. Regarding Jesus, the Bible says:
“He is the firstborn of all creation.”—Colossians 1:15.
He is “the beginning of the creation by God.”—Revelation 3:14.
Why do all the scholars not agree with you?
Why does the Bible agree with me ?
Not in the Bible
That's where the Bible got the idea from.
The Bible comes from Jehovah, not Philo
Yeah... I'm sure Philo just happened to come up with the concept of the Logos before the NT was written and then Paul and John came up with it themselves.
Yes and ?
The answer is yes
You don't convince anyone.
You don't convert anyone.
>Projecting
Many such cases
All your arguments can be shot down by simply looking at the Greek to fact check you.
Where ?
Why ?
But he basically did
"We do not stone you for a fine work, but for blasphemy, because you, although being a man, make yourself a god." In answer Jesus said to them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I said: "You are gods"'? If he called 'gods,' if he called those against whom the word of God came 'gods,' and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, 'You blaspheme,' because I said, I am God’s Son?"
The point there is that, look, what's the problem here ? We all know that in the Scriptures others are called gods. You, either he's referring to the Israelite judges of old, angelic gods who are spoken of in the book of Psalms as, in some sense, forming a counsel of divinities around Jehovah, or even if it was just false gods, the point is he used that category of divinities to support his claim.
He put himself in THAT category of divinity.
He DIDN'T quote a text that referred to God Almighty as being God and it was fulfilled in himself, which he could have done, he quoted a text that referred to other inferior secondary gods, separate ontologically from Jehovah, to support his claim.
That's the claim the Bible is supporting, that Jesus is, in fact, a god separate from Jehovah. His claim was to be a god separate from Jehovah, and he had every right to do so scripturally as he himself showed.
Why didn't he say "I am Michael the archangel"?
Because that's not his primary identity. He is first and foremost the Son of God
How were the israelites supposed to understand who he was if he didn't tell them?
Obviously they couldn't understand, because they killed him because they thought he was calling himself God.
All he had to do was say, "I'm Michael the archangel in human form." and all confusion would have ended.
>How were the israelites supposed to understand who he was if he didn't tell them?
What do you mean ? He said repeatedly that is was the Son of God
And who the fuck is "the Son of God"?
He never explained what that meant.
You are so fucking stupid it's impossible to continue. I hope you die a horrible death soon so I never have to see your posts on this board again.
>He never explained what that meant
????
What do you not understand ?
I have a strong sense that you are demonized, that's why you are purposely difficult, I don't want to hear any more from you.
May God (capital G) Jesus (second person of the Trinity) save you from the (false prophet) Governing Body Arian heresy.
>Jesus said to pray only to Jehovah
Show that verse to me in the Greek.
By the name of Jesus Christ of Nazarene
There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved....
JESUS
SAVE
LARA
>under heaven
>under heaven
>under heaven
>under heaven
Congratulations, you just played yourself
Lord Jesus, save JWanon Lara from the false prophet Watchtower. Set her free from the Governing Body shackles Satan has imprisoned her mind in. Strike down the demons that poison her soul like you did to antichrist Anthony Morris. Amen.
>are they correct?
who the fuck knows
Jesus returning “invisibly” is actually the most rarted retcon. At least the other pieces of theology make some sense
LORD SAVE LARA THE JW
THE GOD OF THIS WORLD HAS BLINDED HER
SHE IS A SLAVE TO A GROUP OF MEN THAT HAVE TAKEN YOUR PLACE AS MEDIATOR
When the israelites were persecuting Jesus for blasphemy, because they thought he was calling himself God, why didn't Jesus just say, "Yo, I'm Michael the Archangel, not God, chill."?
No
JESUS SAVES EVERYONE IN THE END!!! THE LAKE OF FIRE IS NOT FOREVER(see links below for proof). DEATH IS REAL. Those that die have no consciousness whatsoever. However, 2000 years ago a man named Jesus was born, he was the son of God. God, who always existed, begat Jesus, Jesus did not always exist. First there was the Father, God, then came his son. Jesus really is Gods son. Jesus has been given office and title and powers of God (God the Father always had these, Jesus did not, that is why God the Father gives these things to Jesus) but he is not the same being as his Father. One is immortal and could never die, the other is mortal and can die.
Jesus lived a perfect life, and died on the cross as a sacrifice for you and all the bad deeds you have committed in your life, these bad deeds are called sins, we are all sinners, and the wages of sin is to suffer and eventually die.
3 days and nights later after being totally dead (he ceased to exist and was in a lifeless corpse) in a tomb, God raised him back to life and Jesus ascended into heaven.
Thanks to this he defeated death and sin once and for all for everyone. Since he was sinless he could die in your place. Jesus on that cross paid for all mankinds sins, the Father has accepted the payment. Everyones sins have been paid for, hence all are saved. At this momment though not all are justified (declared not guilty, sinless), justification is for all and upon all who believe. Eventually everyone will believe. Some sooner others later.
Thanks to this, everyone will one day attain immortality and enter into the Kingdom of God, the lake of fire exists for some but it is not forever. Gods judgements are measured. In the end Jesus saves all. The cross grantees the salvation of everyone who ever lived. We have no free will. God gives faith to anyone he chooses. In the end he will give faith to all.
https://www.gospelfortoday.bibleanalytics.ca/
https://goodnewsgospel.info/
http://thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/
https://www.concordant.org/
http://www.gracetruth.co.uk/
Concordantgospel.com
Yeah, bout everythang
And you're wrong about witness and he'll.