Just read Dune, now what? Is God Emperor that good, as good as the first, to justify reading up to it?

Just read Dune, now what? Is God Emperor that good, as good as the first, to justify reading up to it?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The first four are well worth reading. 5 and 6 you can either take or leave.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly they're all good. Children was the low point for me, but I thoroughly enjoyed every one of them. Also Messiah is the best.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The problem with parts 5 and 6 isn't so much that they're bad, it's that Frank Herbert died before he could finish that particular arc, and so they come of feeling pretty unsatisfying.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Also Messiah is the best.
      You might be the only one on the planet. Messiah sucked massive balls.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >
        Nta, but Messiah is where Dune series peaked. Nothing after that doesn't even come close.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You are incorrect messiah is the peak of dunc

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Messiah sucked massive balls.

        explaing this masterpiece of dialogue:
        “I must have a child,” she said.
        He shook his head from side to side.
        “I must have my way!” she snapped. “If need be, I’ll find another fatherfor my child. I’ll cuckold you and dare you to expose me.”
        “Cuckold me all you wish,” he said, “but no child.”
        “How can you stop me?”
        With a smile of utmost kindness, he said: “I’d have you garroted, if it came to that.”

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Also Messiah is the best.
      You might be the only one on the planet. Messiah sucked massive balls.

      >
      Nta, but Messiah is where Dune series peaked. Nothing after that doesn't even come close.

      Messiah was so good and god emperor made me dislike the series and gave me negative motivation to continue the series.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I like Messiah the best and God Emperor the second best. Children is the worst. The first dune is alright. The porn game is where Dune peaked as a series.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          holy shit i didnt know about this. Any places i could download it without getting 40 viruses

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I just finished God Emperor, and I really liked it up to the first third, but it really started dragging on and there came a point where I started getting the impression that FH was just preaching to us through Leto II.

    Also
    I really didn't like Duncan Idaho in this version. He was much better in his previous incarnation as a mentat. Now that I think of it, I didn't really like any of the characters except Leto.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I thought Book 4 was really like marmite, love it or hate it. Overall it was worth my time. 5 and 6 are alright.

      >Not like based Moneo

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How is messiah peak dune? The only character worth anything of note is Paul until Duncan Idaho shows up. Alia is being an obnoxious b***h all throughout the book, Jessica is nowhere to be seen and the chapters about the plot against Paul were so dull.

    What was the point of having the space navigator being a submissive b***h when he suddenly becomes a wienery big boy when faced against Paul?

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Aight. Here's the deal
    >Read Dune... I guess
    >Read Messiah
    >You can prolly just skip children because it's not as good but I guess it has narrative value
    >Read God Emperor
    >stop, never read another book in the series after this
    >ignore Brian herbert he is awful
    >listen to dune spice opera

    T. Dunemaxxx

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Are people shitting on Brian out of npc programming? I never heard any informed opinions, just Brian bad because he bad. How many of his books did YOU read?
      Just to be clear, I haven't either, I'm still on the break after Emperor, but I will give him a shot after finishing all Frank books. I doesn't seem likely that someone would write 20+ commercially successful books without at least a few decent ones

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Have sex

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I read House Atreides, all I can remember is a reverend mother forced into having sex and using ridiculous body magic to poison the rapist or something. I read Hunters of Dune as a christmas gift and the entire cast of the dune universe gets ghola'd on a tiny space ship which had me toss the book right then and there. Don't read Brian Herbert

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    currently suffering through Children.
    I read on Oyish that God Emperor is my reward.
    About 20 years ago, my brother told me that God Emperor was the best of the series.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Neil Gaiman reviewed The Garbage Chronicles for Imagine magazine, and stated that "one of the worst books I've read in years - it may have been meant to be funny, but I could well be wrong - and should be avoided as you would a rabid dog with a Cruise missile."
    This is the power of Brian Herbert

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Well, if Neil Gayman said it, it must be correct

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Sandman and the graveyard book are both good

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >ask Oyish which dune book is best
    >thread ends up with lots of arguments

    I actually find this fascinating. I feel most other series has a consensus on which parts are good but not this one. Why is that?

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I never noticed the rise-and-fall action of the covers themselves.
    >large overhang, people nearby
    >overhang has become a larger object comprised of Paul's head, followers gathering
    >head has become a towering structure, representing the dynasty, structures the consolidation of power
    >rocks replaced by a being so tall the words of the title themselves have to be moved out of the way, the apex of the story, people want to touch him like the blind men and the elephant, unable to grasp his true form or feelings (Leto wasn't actually this tall in the book)
    >descending to a mere worm (haven't read this yet, will in a few weeks)
    >short, squat

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Dune should have ended after the first one. Messiah is a nice epilogue and wraps it up but the rest are just too much.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    God Emperor foreclosures things. It's not worse than Children. I dropped the series after it.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I don't want to know why you have that pasta. Living inside your head might be hard

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why do dune fanboys defend plagiarism?

      [...]
      >Imam Shamil (Avar: Шeйх Шaмил, romanized:Şeyx Şamil; Arabic: الشيخ شموئيل; Russian: Имaм Шaмиль; 26 June 1797 – 4 February 1871) was the political, military, and spiritual leader of North Caucasian resistance to Imperial Russia in the 1800s,[1] the third Imam of the Caucasian Imamate (1840–1859), and a Sunni Muslim Shaykh of the Naqshbandi Sufi Tariqa.
      When was Herbert ever furtive about the fact that fremen are space muslims and Harkonnens are space russians?

      Because he was a hack

      [...]
      Herbert began writing Dune 2-3 years before this book was even published, anon

      More embarrassingly, you grabbed this copypasta from some random Medium article whose only proof is that it showed up in the background of a picture shared by some HBO showrunner, and only in the context of "here are some books we're using for our visual inspiration"

      No, people who know about Dune have known this shit for years
      There's even a thread about dunegays seething about it
      >http://www.jacurutu.com/viewtopic.php?t=4054
      Frank Herbert was a hack, dune is literally just John carter of mars+foundation+lawrence of arabia+sabres of paradise
      Dune fanboys will cope and seethe

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >dune is literally just John carter of mars+foundation+lawrence of arabia+sabres of paradise
        oh no, there's actually quite a lot more, especially if you pore over the first 4 books instead of just Dune
        I don't want to make it too easy, but I'll drop several hints
        >Dorothy Sayers
        >Wilfred Thesiger
        >Alfred North Whitehead
        >Alfred Korzybski
        >Gospel According to Matthew
        >T.S. Eliot
        >Herbert's correspondence with John Campbell
        >Khalil Gibran
        >Syed Ameer Ali
        I know of many more that I'm keeping even closer to my chest, until I can release a massively-annotated version of Dune.

        I do think it's a good thing that Herbert took so much from so many places; it keeps those books alive as a topic of discussion when they might otherwise have been buried forever.
        >You now realize the subtextual meaning of the following:
        "The Stolen Journals leave no doubt that this was in fact the method employed by Leto II to record his historical observations.

        Third, and we believe that this is equal in portent to the actual discovery, there is the storehouse itself. The repository for these journals is an undoubted Ixian artifact of such primitive and yet marvelous construction that it is sure to throw new light on the historical epoch known as “The Scattering.” As was to be expected, the storehouse was invisible. It was buried far deeper than myth and the Oral History had led us to expect and it emitted radiation and absorbed radiation to simulate the natural character of its surroundings, a mechanical mimesis which is not surprising of itself. What has surprised our engineers, however, is the way this was done with the most rudimentary and truly primitive mechanical skills."

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          So you're justifying plagiarism?
          Herbert didn't just have influence from books he read and used them in his setting, which is what all sf authors do, he plagiarised whole blocks of texts and then modified them slightly.
          plagiarism

          [...]
          Don't care. Didn't read.

          this is how the dune fanboy copes with his author being a thief

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            in each case it isn't actually plagiarism and I bet those books aren't anywhere near worth reading

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            they *are* worth reading; that's the point

            the important distinction that makes this not 'plagiarism' is twofold: one, Dune is, taken as a whole, highly dissimilar from each of these other works; and two, the self-aware, buried-treasure nature of these references provides a novel way to engage with the text that is absent or extremely minimal in basically every other work

            Dune endures in part because it is so richly layered and can be mined like this

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm gonna just say no and frick off bub. Muh classics! Muh deep literature! To enjoy Frank herbert you must read these 4-5 other books....

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >To enjoy Frank herbert you must read these 4-5 other books
            said exactly nobody
            it's pretty obvious that the vast, vast majority of people who have enjoyed Dune had no idea about these references
            you should be ashamed of your bad faith

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Are they cool space operas though? Because that is the brunt of what's actually appealing about Dune.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Because that is the brunt of what's actually appealing about Dune
            you were ignorant of this shit until just now and have instantly decided to dismiss it
            your shallow reading does not recommend you to me as an authoritative critic of literary quality

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            what the frick are you talking about

            every single scrap of art, in every medium, is built on the shoulders of everything that came before it. that includes references, influences, opposition, etc. etc. etc.

            it's enjoyable to enjoy something and then trace back through the things that influenced it to see how the author synthesized it into something you enjoyed. the is most true for books, which have a simpler (relatively) tree of influences to follow through

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Quand une chose a été dite et bien dite, n'ayez aucun scrupule, prenez-la, copiez.
            >When a thing has been said and well said, have no scruple: take it and copy it.
            —As quoted in 'Anatole France en pantoufles' by Jean-Jacques Brousson (1924)

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >all these writers
          Did not create cool scifi epics about a desert planet with giant worms
          >Dune
          Cool scifi epic about a desert planet with giant worms

          Maybe if these literally whos wanted to be famous they should've written about giant worms on a desert planet instead of whatever pretentious gay shit they wrote

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Imam Shamil (Avar: Шeйх Шaмил, romanized:Şeyx Şamil; Arabic: الشيخ شموئيل; Russian: Имaм Шaмиль; 26 June 1797 – 4 February 1871) was the political, military, and spiritual leader of North Caucasian resistance to Imperial Russia in the 1800s,[1] the third Imam of the Caucasian Imamate (1840–1859), and a Sunni Muslim Shaykh of the Naqshbandi Sufi Tariqa.
    When was Herbert ever furtive about the fact that fremen are space muslims and Harkonnens are space russians?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, and Chakobsa is a real hunting language from the Caucasus as well. He clearly took major inspiration from a lot of places, and I don't care if he lifted whole phrases from other works, because he's making better use of them.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Herbert began writing Dune 2-3 years before this book was even published, anon

    More embarrassingly, you grabbed this copypasta from some random Medium article whose only proof is that it showed up in the background of a picture shared by some HBO showrunner, and only in the context of "here are some books we're using for our visual inspiration"

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Don't care. Didn't read.

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