Just finished the Septuagint. What translation of the New Testament is the least pozzed most accurate unscrewed with version available in English?
Just finished the Septuagint.
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The New World Translation is the most accurate you can find
Historians use the NIV for what I could tell. KJV is unironically decent except obviously the parts that are missing or were never fixed according to old manuscripts.
Ignore this cult victim, it's been systematically proven the NWT is between a bad translation and a forgery due editions born of conflict of interest.
That's not true at all.
Jason BeDuhn: "While it is difficult to quantify this sort of analysis, it can be said the NW[T] emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared."
-Greek Scholar in his book: "Truth in Translation: Accuracy and Bias in English Translations of the New Testament"
Steven T. Byington: Of the NWT, "If you are digging for excellent or suggestive renderings, this is among the richer mines."
-Christian Century, "Review of the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures"
Frederick Danker: "Not to be snubbed is the New World Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, Rendered from the Original by the New World Bible Translation Committee."
-"Multipurpose Tools for Bible Study"
Alan S. Duthie: The "Jehovah's Witnesses' NWT,...is certainly not 'filled with the heretical doctrines'...even though a few aberrations can be found...but the percentage of the whole Bible thus affected... does not reach even 0.1% of the whole, which is very far from 'full'.
-"How To Choose Your Bible Wisely"
Rolf Furuli: "I read the English text of the NWT against the Hebrew text, word for word...the translators of the NWT have been extremely faithful both to their own translation principles and to the Hebrew text."
-Lecturer in Semitic Languages at Oslo University
S. Maclean Gilmore: "The New Testament edition was made by a committee...that possessed an unusual competence in Greek."
-Andover Newton Quarterly
Edgar Goodspeed: "I am...much pleased with the free, frank, and vigorous translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I can testify."
-Scholar and Bible Translator
Samuel Haas: "This work indicates a great deal of effort and thought as well as considerable scholarship."
-Bible Scholar in "Journal of Biblical Literature"
C. Houtman: "The New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses can survive the scrutiny of criticism."
-"Nederlands Theologisch Tijdschrift", [Dutch Theological Magazines]
Don't bother me with your script, cult victim. Also you're derailing the thread.
Going to ignore you from now, by the way.
You have been caught defaming red handed
I'm not leaving until you apologize.
Benjamin Kedar: "I find my feeling repeatedly confirmed that [the OT] reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible....Giving evidence of a broad command of the original language...I have never discovered in the New World Translation any biased intent to read something into the text that it does not contain."
-Professor of israeli History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and has a Ph'd from Yale
Robert M. McCoy: "The translation of the New Testament is evidence of the presence in the movement of scholars qualified to deal intelligently with the many problems of Biblical translation."
-"Andover Newton Quarterly"
Dr. Bruce Metzger: "On the whole, one gains a tolerably good impression of the scholarly equipment of the translators."
-Professor at Princeton Theological Seminary and Scholar in Greek, OT Studies and NT Studies in "The Bible Translator"
James Parkinson: "The Jehovah's Witnesses' New World Translation offers a relatively accurate translation from a different theological perspective."
-Author of "How To Choose a Bible Translation"
J. D Phillips: "Last week I purchased a copy of your New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures of which I take pride in being an owner. You have done a marvelous work...but you have made a marvelous step in the right direction, and I pray God that your Version will be used to His glory. What you have done for the Name alone is worth all the effort and cost!"
-J.D. Phillips was a Church of Christ Minister who knew Hebrew and Koine Greek
Charles Francis Potter: In "the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures...the anonymous translators have certainly rendered the best manuscript texts...with scholarly ability and acumen."
-The Faith Men Live By
William Carey Taylor: The NT of the NWT contains "considerable scholarship."
-"The New Bible Pro and Con"
Alexander Thomson: "The translation is evidently the work of skilled and clever scholars, who have sought to bring out as much of the true sense of the Greek text as the English language is capable of expressing."
-in "The Differentiator" (a private, published journal)
Allen Wikgren: It is "independent reading of merit."
-Scholar on the NRSV committee, as well as on the committee which produced the UBS Greek text
Thomas N. Winter: "The translation by the anonymous committee is thoroughly up to date and consistently accurate...In sum, when a witness comes to the door, the classicist, Greek student, or Bible student alike would do well to place an order."
-Professor of Koine Greek at the University of Nebraska
Apologize right this instant for your slander !
KJV literally translates multiple concepts into one and has passages that we know now were not in the originals.
Yes, both are mistakes that go under "were never fixed according to old manuscripts".
ISV is good for a modern literalistic translation, KJV is good for beauty but it's not as up to date in some areas.
NWT is made by the Jehovah's witness cult
we cannot be a cult because cults are regarded as encouraging their adherents to live in groups apart from the rest of society. Many also think of cults as being secretive about their activities or having something to hide.
In contrast, Jehovah's Witnesses live and work in the midst of other people. They have nothing to hide. In fact, they desire to tell anyone who is willing to listen about everything that they believe.
Cults members are also associated with following living human leaders.
Yet Jehovah's Witnesses do not look to any human, but rather to Jesus Christ, as their leader, as their leader. Jehovah’s Witnesses follow what Jesus taught and put it into practice. That is what it means to be a Christian. Accordingly, Jehovah’s Witnesses strive to adhere strictly to the precepts established by the first Christians.
Jehovah's Witnesses base all of their beliefs, their standards for conduct, and organizational procedures on the Bible. Their worship is a way of life, not a ritual devotion
Leaders of cults have been known to ask for money from their followers. Even what many consider to be 'mainstream' religions encourage their members to give them money through tithes, collection plates, or other means.
However, the work of Jehovah's Witnesses is primarily financed through anonymous, voluntary contributions, as was true with the early Christians. (2 Cor. 8:12; 9:7) No collections are ever taken at their meetings and they do not beg for money from the public. Any donations from interested persons are used to further the worldwide work of Bible education conducted by the Witnesses.
Apologize right now.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are all mentally ill and have a suicide rate 5x that of normal population. Just go to a Kingdom Hall and look for yourself. All losers and old people just holding on, trying not to kill themselves before Armageddon can come. Fuck off.
This has been debunkee
Still waiting for your apology
Still waiting for your apology to the world and all the children you let get raped while protecting the predators in your kingdom halls.
>inb4 “They weren’t REAL witnesses!!!” cope
I heard one of Jehovah’s Child Molesters shot himself in the head after be outed.
This has been debunked
>I heard one of Jehovah’s Child Molesters shot himself in the head after be outed.
If he molested a child he isn't a Jehovah's Witness
Last chance, apologize for your slander or else I'm leaving
The actions of us humans have nothing to do with God's morality. This is literally answered in the first ten pages of Genesis guys, like come on. God has nothing to do with the blasphemous priests who rape people, they will burn in Hell just like everyone else like them.
Except for the fact that the Governing Body members and the elders know all about it and actively try to sweep it under the rug so not to let the bad publicity ruin their cult’s image. Now it’s all coming to light, sounds like Jehovah’s judgement is upon them.
The policy of Jehovah's Witnesses clearly states:
"In addition to making a report to the branch office, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, we expect the elders to comply. Additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so."
That policy was only put on their website in 2017. They did it to save face after thousands of kids were molested and they’re being sued into oblivion. Don’t forget to donate, their lawyers need to be paid.
Well let us take you way back to 1962. The November 15 Watchtower from that year on page 693 clearly stated:
"9 Worldly authorities render a judgment and punish persons, whether they are inside the congregation or outside, if they violate the laws of decency and good order. The violators have no right to complain at such punishment, as Paul showed by his words before Caesar’s judgment seat. (Acts 25:11) Hence the Christian congregation cannot protect any of its members if they steal, smuggle, commit bigamy, murder, libel, defraud, and so forth. The congregation must release such guilty members to punishment by worldly authorities. Since the guilty break the laws of the land and thus oppose the “authority,” they are taking a stand against God’s arrangement.
10 The Christian congregation has no orders from God and has no right to protect such opposers and lawbreakers from the due punishment by the “authority” of the land. We cannot hinder, oppose or condemn the execution of the krima or judgment by aiding or shielding lawbreakers. To do so would put the Christian congregation also in opposition to God’s arrangement. Besides letting the krima or “judgment” take its course upon offending members who bring reproach upon God’s people, the congregation may disfellowship such lawbreakers. The congregation does not want to deserve a krima or “judgment” with the lawbreakers by siding or cooperating with them and opposing the worldly “authority.” It also wants no reproach."
Wow, the random 1962 Watchtower no one remembers or has read in 60 years and is probably considered “old light” by now. Get fucked.
Hey, you want to start using some old Watchtower? I have some for you.
Jesus should be worshipped:
Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so. It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father and his agent in the creation of all things, including man." Zion's Watch Tower 1898 Jul 15 p.216
"Jehovah God commands all to worship Christ Jesus because Christ Jesus is the express image of his Father, Jehovah, and because he is the Executive Officer of Jehovah always carrying out Jehovah's purpose (Heb.:3-6)." Watchtower 1939 Nov 15 p.339
"During the Millennium, "the princes will lead the people in their worship of Jehovah and of Christ." Vindication Volume 3 (J. F. Rutherford, 1932) p.295
Nice, I’m going to worship Jesus like the Watchtower tells me to do!
the problem is it's an assumption on your parts that Jehovah's Witnesses don't worship Christ in some sense.
It's simply false.
We simply don't worship him as Almighty God nor on the same level as God, but we most certainly do accord him the appropriate worship that we believe is outlined in the Scriptures. And so in that document as well as the translation of Hebrews 1:6 in the early versions of the New World translation, terms for worship in relation to Christ were used and acceptable until it became problematic in terms of people like you not understanding the degree of worship accorded to him so they substituted terms like obeisance in place of them.
But we have no problem worshiping Christ, it's simply relative to his position to his God and Father.
> But we have no problem worshiping Christ, it's simply relative to his position to his God and Father.
Woah, woah, woah. I just talked to a JW in real life recently and they told me they do NOT worship Jesus or even pray to Jesus because it’s a form of worship.
You would get in trouble if an elder heard you say that.
You're talking about worshipping him on the same level as God, whoch we do not do. We give him the proper reverence he is due as the Messiah and King of heaven.
Except the Bible says to worship Jesus and honor him the same as the Father.
Jesus himself directed attention and worship only to JEHOVAH GOD !!
For example, when prodded to do an act of worship to the Devil, Jesus said:
“It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.” (Matthew 4:10)
Later Jesus instructed his disciples:
“Do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.”—Matthew 23:9.
To a Samaritan woman, Jesus described the type of worship that individuals must give to God.
Their worship must be based on spirit and truth. Indeed “the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him.” (John 4:23, 24)
Yes, reverent adoration should be expressed ONLY to GOD.
To render worship to anyone or anything else would be a form of IDOLATRY, which is condemned in both the Hebrew and the Greek Scriptures.—Exodus 20:4, 5; Galatians 5:19, 20.
Wait a second… Matthew 4:10
“Jehovah” isn’t in the Greek manuscripts, it says LORD.
You’re adding to the scriptures!
Jesus is quoting from Deuteronomy 5:9, whoch does contain God's name Jehovah.
It thus follows that the original NT manuscripts contain it too and was replaced by 'LORD' some time after, just like what happened with the Septuagint
Can you show me these “original NT manuscripts” that contain it?
The original are lost, but one day archaeologists are bound to find ancient copies that do contain the tetragrammaton
Ad hominem #2
Another victory for Jehovah.
So the originals are lost, and you’ve never seen them and don’t know what’s in them, or if they even existed at all, and your going to put the name Jehovah in the NT anyway and add to the scriptures like the Bible says not to do. Ok.
Jehovah's name is in the originals so we restored them
I find it odd that you disrespect the most Sacred Name in existence, and I'd advise you you do not continue. I'm really serious, there is no worse sin than blaspheming Jehovah's name.
I think you’re a bot and there is no need to continue talking to us, thanks.
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Sufficient to say, this fag is copying and pasting from somewhere else, because he should also deal with the captcha every time. In other words, talking past you, not actually reading what you type, but detecting trigger words from the text in order to post the following reply.
They’re a librarian, probably types 100wpm and is copying off jw.org and other blogs.
Ad hominem makes an automatic victory for Jehovah
Lol librarian being an insult, OK. See, this is exactly what I meant by you detecting trigger words and then immediately replying.
It very well could be some type of bot.
You know, instead of pushing back against that idea, I'll go with that from now. Makes sense anyways.
I think it could be an AI bot trained on jw.org material.
I have no idea what any of that means, sorry.
Maybe it is but you can look up the same videos I've seen talking about all this. Theirs no denying the J(e)W's in charge changed it purposefully.
>Maybe it is but you can look up the same videos I've seen talking about all this. Theirs no denying the J(e)W's in charge changed it purposefully.
Haha, just like I predicted, “They weren’t real JWs!”
They were all baptized and long time members.
Leave, and never come back to LULZ again.
>They were all baptized and long time members.
That doesn't make you a JW though. If you commit a serious sin, you are no longer considered one
Doesn’t Jesus forgive your sins? Or do you need your God the Governing Body to forgive them?
The local elders decide whether a sinner can remain inside the congregation
The Bible clearly states: “Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.”—1 Corinthians 5:13.
It just says to remove them until they change their ways, it doesn’t revoke their status as a believer. In fact, nowhere in the Bible does it say you have to be a “Jehovah’s Witness” and accept the Governing Body as your authority or read Watchtower magazines at all.
God is the savior of all people, even non-JWs and non-believers.
1 Timothy 4:10
For to this end we toil and struggle, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Saviour of all people, especially of those who believe
>It just says to remove them until they change their ways, it doesn’t revoke their status as a believer
We do not automatically disfellowship someone who commits a serious sin. If, however, a baptized Witness makes a practice of breaking the Bible’s moral code and does not repent, he or she will be shunned or disfellowshipped
>In fact, nowhere in the Bible does it say you have to be a “Jehovah’s Witness” and accept the Governing Body as your authority
Actually it does.
Hebrews 13:17 - "Be convinced in those leading you and be submissive. . . for they are keeping watch over your souls".
Hebrews 13:7 - "Remember those taking the lead"
1 Timothy 5:17 - "Let the older men [or "elder"] who presides be worthy of double honor.."
Acts 16:4 - "..the decrees that had been decided upon by the apostles and older men".
1 Peter 5:1,2 - "Therefore to the older men. . . shepherd the flock of God.."
>or read Watchtower magazines at all.
The watchtower are simply exegetical litterature that help us strengthen our faith in God
>God is the savior of all people, even non-JWs and non-believers.
To gain salvation, you must exercise faith in Jesus and demonstrate that faith by obeying his commands.—Acts 4:10, 12; Romans 10:9, 10; Hebrews 5:9. Jehovah's Witnesses are the only group doing just that.
I thought salvation was a free gift? But I have to pay for it by doing all that bullshit?
Nah, Timothy was right. God is the savior of all people, even non-JWs, no matter what you, your fat fuck money-grubbing Governing Body cult leaders, or your pedo enabler elders say.
salvation is possible only through Christ's ransom sacrifice and individuals cannot be saved until they repent of their sins and call on the name of Jehovah. Salvation is a free gift from God, but is unattainable without good works that are prompted by faith.
>Salvation is a free gift from God, but is unattainable without good works
So it’s not free…
Yes it is, God has no obligation to grant us this gift. But he did it out of love for us
So if I told you I have a free gift for you, but you have to do a good work like mow my lawn before I will give it to you, then it’s not exactly free is it.
Salvation is open to everybody, and we show that we accept God's gift by obeying him and putting faith in Jesus. Or else the gift has no effect
Don't see a lot of those around, I hope they are right.
Based fucking post. JWtrannies need to get a day job.
Yeah dude you're not convincing anyone. Its been proven Jehovahs Witness's have purposefully changed the word of God to fit there narratives. Please educate yourself.
I'll check them out thanks. Also, I only chose the Septuagint because its claimed to be the closest to the original word thats available compeltely. The Dead Sea scrols dont contain the entire OT. I wish I COULD read whatever the first version is.
If what you say is true, then how come the New World Translation is based on up-to-date scholarly research and the most reliable ancient manuscripts and therefore more accurate than most Bibles ?
David Bentley Hart's I guess. He aimed for as close as a translation as he could.
The Knox Bible translated by Msgr. Ronald Knox.
Look, just use the NRSV. It’s the one academics use. Then check out the Douay-Rheims, Jerome had access to earlier manuscripts than we have today.
That’s the real truth of the matter, all these modern translations (including KJV) are not based on the original manuscripts, because they were lost to time. So we don’t know what errors could have crept up, or if the original Hebrew Gospel of Matthew said something different before a first century priest inserted his own ideas like the Virgin Birth when it was put into Greek.
As for the Septuagint, how can you trust that shit at all? God allowed a divinely inspired translation of his Hebrew Tanakh in Pagan GREEK? And the Apostles were reading from this?! And how can you trust the Masoretic Text at all either, it’s like 900 years after Christianity, israelites started changing shit. Best we have is the Dead Sea Scrolls.
what did u think of the torah op?
Use the Douay-Rheims. It was translated by the Church from the Latin Vulgate.
Honestly I'm thinking about it.
Watch this vid on the Vulgate/Douay.
What use is it how great these new modern translations are if the manuscripts scholars are translating from are flawed or just unknown what the correct reading is? They’re having to use a computer program called CBGM to try and decipher what is the correct reading among all the manuscripts variants. Then maybe a few years later after new findings they “update” it and change it again. The original manuscripts are lost forever, so we’ll never know what is correct. But Jerome may have had access to those manuscripts before they were lost to history.
Just did, thank you.
I got the Douay-Rheims by Saint Benedict Press. It’s very good quality.
Here comes the cognitive dissonance
I really like the New American Bible (Revised Edition)
Either way can we actually talk about my question?
In my experience, KJV (Protestant-leaning) and Douay-Rheims (Catholic leaning) are both rock solid. I study both alongside each other, and they aren't afraid to use words like whore and virgin and stuff.
That's a pretty arbitrary criterion