>Joe Rogan: So what's your take? Why do you suppose every human society has had some kind of religious belief?
>RD: I...don't know.
>Joe Rogan: So what's your take?
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>I... know.
what is this phenotype
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Pretty easy to speculate for a scientist though. Could be for overall socio-psychological health or social cohesion.
contemporary hunter gatherers dont
Philosophy and theology require leisure time, time spent thinking rather than the struggle to survive. Ancient peoples were superstitious or spiritual, but actual religion required civilization and a surplus of food created through agriculture.
>theology require leisure time
To intensify your connection with something is not leisure, it's a matter of survival. Holy things weren't just super-convenient, they were crucial to ancient people. The oldest proto-villages were always on or in direct vicinity of holy sites.
They act it out instead of thinking about it. The Khoisan bushmen do stuff like bury their dead in stone caves during a full moon and when asked about it they really can't answer why they do it other than it "feeling right".
They have all sorts of myths too.
Premodern humans don't just see a funny-shaped rock and think, "haha, what a peculiar mineral formation, it coincidentally ended up looking vaguely like a bovine's head." No, to them it's a sinner that was turned into a cow that was turned into a rock, or the head of heavenly bull that was lopped off by their tribal ancestor, or else some giant carved it to pay homage to the fertility god etc. A cave is never just a cave, it's the gate to the underworld or the mouth of a monster or the home of some chthonian deity etc. Mountains are the homes of the gods or sometimes gods themselves, especially volcanoes, as well as being the site of some miraculous events.
And invariably they develop various beliefs/superstitions like the place is blessed/cursed and making offerings in that spot will make good things happen or prevent bad things, or defiling that spot will bring disaster upon you, or meditating in that spot will bring you prophetic dreams etc
They also think you "go to the sun" when you die.
caves are meant to bring sensory depravation hallucinations, dumbass
its obvious they considered those places hellish, yet they still understood the significance of exploring those mental states
have fun with your ssris and """therapy"""
>caves are meant to
Nice illustration of that principle:
its not "searching" for meaning, dumbass
its practically like facing your fears, something you needed to do in times where anyone could just kill you with a sword
its not my fault you think religious rituals are some sort of retarded nonsense instead of something that transforms the way your mind functions
why do you think hermetic societies still do rituals to this day?, dumbass.
Rituals don’t need to be religious. A good habit is a type of ritual, speaking of which you should shower more.
perhaps you should do the ritual of book reading to rid yourself of that malicious ignorance that is possessing you, retard
I love reading, I can tell fiction from non-fiction though, unlike some people.
you would say the sun if blue if i wanted you to say it
Less makey threads, more takey meds
midwit
I'm so atheist when other people say they believe in God, I don't believe them.
>"So what's your take?"
>"science isn't based on "takes, Mr. Rogan"
>*drops the mic, takes his 5th vaccine, makes a Niel Degrasse Tyson impression and leaves the podcast*
Only modern people see unexplainable things and go for the lowest hanging fruit
“The earth is floating on nothing while rotating around”
>heh, those stupid subhumans probably think it’s god or something
>“The earth is floating on nothing while rotating around”
You only think things should float "on" something because you live on the surface of the earth with its gravitational pull.
>guys with monkey brains who need to cram an ancient tribal deity into spots where there is mystery in the universe think “I don’t know” is a wrong answer when you don’t know the answer to something
What a fucking surprise
>guys with monkey brains who
Damn those caveman monkey brain Drumpf supporters not enlightened persons such as ourselves, right?
I don’t care who you voted for but yeah the mindset behind the post is primitive and unintelligent.
>Human beings seek meaning
>The idea of a omnipotent transcendent being on their side increases morale
>Tribes that developped those moral systems objectively did better and exterminated those that didnt
there you go
>And it needs all this ritual and mythology and stuff because... it just does okay?? Fucking trust science
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thats a jpeg anon
>Why do you suppose every human society has had some kind of religious belief?
we aren't very smart, are we?
No. But we are very evolved. And it seems we evolved an apparent pre-disposition to religion. Which begs the question.
>we are very evolved
relative to what? the crocodile? marsupials? you're objectively incorrect, or misunderstand what "evolved" means.
Relative to other animals. They can't articulate abstract propositions. We can. And this thread is about a kind of propositions we seem to have an evolved pre-disposition to make.
Isn't it weird then that the most successful religion in history of mankind doesn't actually explain thunder and lightning?
And when you can engage in a discussion with "I don't know", I'll make sure to include you.
>most successful religion in history of mankind doesn't actually explain thunder and lightning?
Confucianism?
Also, what religion DOES actually explain thunder and lightning?
>>most successful religion in history of mankind doesn't actually explain thunder and lightning?
>Confucianism?
Hard, hard cope.
>what religion DOES actually explain thunder and lightning?
Ask
What is the most successful religion in the world according to you?
>doesn't actually explain thunder and lightning?
huh?
>The Lord came from Sinai, And dawned on them from Seir; He shone from Mount Paran, And He came from the midst of myriads of holy ones; At His right hand there was flashing lightning for them.
>And He shot arrows and scattered them, Lightning, and routed them.
>Behold, He spreads His lightning about Him, And He covers the depths of the sea.
>He covers His hands with the lightning, And commands it to strike the target.
>He also loads the clouds with moisture; He disperses the cloud of His lightning.
>He causes the mist to ascend from the ends of the earth, He makes lightning for the rain; He brings forth the wind from His treasuries.
>When He utters His voice, there is a roar of waters in the heavens, And He makes the clouds ascend from the end of the earth; He makes lightning for the rain, And brings out the wind from His storehouses.
>and the Lord sent thunder and hail, and fire ran down to the earth. And the Lord rained hail on the land of Egypt.
>Plead with the Lord, for there has been enough of God’s thunder and hail; and I will let you go, and you shall stay no longer.”
>I will spread out my hands to the Lord; the thunder will cease and there will no longer be hail, so that you may know that the earth is the Lord’s.
>The Lord thundered with a great thunder on that day against the Philistines and confused them
>I will call to the Lord, that He will send thunder and rain.
>When He made a limit for the rain, And a course for the thunderbolt,
>From the Lord of armies you will be punished with thunder and earthquake and loud noise, With whirlwind and tempest and the flame of a consuming fire.
The explanation being? That God who does literally everything does lightning too?
Yeah? Lightning is God's "arrows", the thunder is God's roar or signal. That's the general explanation every pagan religion gives too, they just disagree on the god.
Eh, I would really hesitate to call that an explanation, seeing that it's a rhetorical section really, but I don't have a way to convince you if you really insist so..
You think
>He covers His hands with the lightning, And commands it to strike the target.
was a "rhetorical" section? Or when he "releases the waters" to drown the Earth in a flood that's just "rhetorical" too? or when he sends hail or the plagues to Egypt that's "rhetorical"?
Yes. It's a person making a speech.
>when he "releases the waters" to drown the Earth in a flood that's just "rhetorical" too?
No. It's not a person making a speech.
>or when he sends hail or the plagues to Egypt that's "rhetorical"?
Since it happened in the story... no, it isn't.
>Yeah he can make it rain and hail and split the sea, but he doesn't personally send the lightning, that'd be silly
Man, you're a weirdo.
He does send the lighting. But it's not an explanation to me.
>religions exist to reinforce a particular moral system
Most pagan religions have little to nothing to say about morality. You're basing your conclusion on what you observed in Abrahamism. But there's dozens of animistic tribes who believe they're supernaturally connected to Lemurs or whatever and the moral implications are null.
Why? I didn't claim it's rhetoric.
>He does send the lighting. But it's not an explanation to me.
"Why a storm? Why thunder? Why flood? Why earthquake?" "God sent it, probably because you're being wicked or something."
They are potent symbols.
Are you trying to say something?
I'm answering all your questions with one answer.
Are you trying to say something?
I've answered that. If you've got nothing else to ask, it was my pleasure.
Actually, tell me again how this is rhetorical:
>23 When Moses stretched out his staff toward the sky, the Lord sent thunder and hail, and lightning flashed down to the ground. So the Lord rained hail on the land of Egypt; 24 hail fell and lightning flashed back and forth. It was the worst storm in all the land of Egypt since it had become a nation.
thats historical, a nearby volcano had erupted and sent ash over egypt
but since the bible is written in that times form, its mixed with myth
if you cared enough to learn about history youd know those things
No retard, you're confusing that with one of the plagues.
prove it
Bruh Yahweh is literally just a repurposed Canaanite storm god. You didn't know this?
I knew that many people find that framing comforting, sure.
>Relative to other animals. They can't articulate abstract propositions. We can.
that's not what evolved means in terms of biology
No you don't understand we basically evolved from Kadabra into Alakazam!
While that is literally true, you should be able to understand that he means our brains and intelligence are more advanced.
>pre-disposition to religion
thunder go boom, lighting go crack! therefore, god(s).
There are various evolutionary explanations for belief in the supernatural, but "I don't know" remains the least speculative answer.
>But we are very evolved. And it seems we evolved an apparent pre-disposition to religion.
What do you make of the fact that religiosity is falling across the world, apart from perhaps people who breed with their first cousins?
I make of it that the more sheltered a person is, the less they have to rely on their evolutional capabilities.
Religion is conspiracy between warlorlds and agricucks.
it was advantageous for groups of humans to develop religious systems that control and direct social behavior.
This doesn't consider various shamanic and mystical religions where social behavior is completely accidental if addressed at all.
religions exist to reinforce a particular moral system in a group of humans. human morals are concerned with governing behavior so we escape the animal free for all. i am not a scholar of religions by any stretch of the imagination though.
Dawkins is honestly not as smart as he thinks he is, TGD reads like he wrote it over a weekend.
Reminder that without Dawkins LULZ wouldn't exist.
A 16 year old could have written The God Delusion.
>RD: I... don't know...
>Sapolsky: I apologize for interrupting but I'd just like to interject that religion is literally schizophrenia. What you call religion is just a socially acceptable level of Schizophrenia and obsessive compulsive disorder that has started proliferating in humanoids in the late essene period of the...
>Joe Rogan: Who the fuck let this guy in here stop this was on the script PLEASE SOMEONE BRING ME WEED WTF NO MOMM-
>Sapolsky: ... and this is why muslims have 58 rules for how to clean their ass when they shit on the bathroom and which foot must be used to step inside and how many fingers you may use to rub the shit out of your ass *continues talking for 8 hours*
A man with that haircut and beard should not be lecturing others about schizophrenia.
>it is truly remarkable that the Qaḍāʾ al-Ḥāǧa actually contains even more habits than you'd expect of the average OCD suffering person. This must have meant that having at least one or another clean freak in your tribe was advantageous for surviving disease or bringing people a sense of safety when they claim they can talk to the voices in the rocks. In fact, in the matters of fingering shit out of your ass, a Muslim must first find an acceptable place away from standing water, people's pathways, or shade. It is advised that it is better to enter the area with the left foot, facing away from the Qibla (direction of prayer towards Mecca). It is reported in the collection of hadith, Sahih al-Bukhari, that just before entering the toilet, Muhammad said Arabic: اللَّهُمَّ إِنِّي أَعُوذُ بِكَ مِنَ الْخُبُثِ وَالْخَبَائِثِ, romanized: Allāhumma ʾinnī ʾaʿuḏu bika mina al-Ḫubuṯi wa-al-Ḫabāʾiṯi, lit.'Oh God, I seek refuge in You from that which is evil (m.) and that which is evil (f.)'.Following his example, Muslims are advised to say this Dua before entering into the toilet.
also he should take some cues from Muslim hadiths about the art of butt wiping because he doesn't look like the type who'd be that good at it
>Sapolsky: You see, Joe, you can't just use any hand to wipe your ass. It has to be the left one, with water, and if water is not available you need to use jamrah or hijaarah stones. But it can't be any number of stones, Joe. It has to be an odd number of stones rubbing against your ass. While some people use tissues now, you also need to make sure to wash your penis with a bodna vessel and recite the dua for leaving the bathroom (with the right foot). It's especially important that if you are ever defecating with another man, you remain silent, and don't look at his genitals. Initiating greetings is discouraged as well. So all in all, I hope this responds your question as to why religion is pervasive. It was important for the construction of larger societies to have a small number of socially accepted schizophreniacs and OCD victims that came up with hygene rules and shitting etiquette.
Nah these dirty looking types often have the cleanest assholes. Kerouac had a long rant on the topic in Big Sur, making fun of people who only use toilet paper and don't wash their assholes with water and soap.
>Joe Rogan: Please, please just make him stop pleeee-AAACK
>Sapolsky: So now that we are done with our peharps a bit scatological preamble, we can finally enter the religion of choice of most westerns. Now you may be wondering, Joe, what about following the word of Jesus means the highest figure in your canon has to lick people's feet? See, this is where it gets very interesting. The exonarthex of a church typically contains a cantharus... Joe, Joe are you OK? I still have 15 more hours of curious facts about all religions and their obsession with wiping feet and anuses.
>Every society believed in dragons of some form
>This means dragons exist
Holy shit that's awesome.
Religions are evolutionnary stable strategies. Most of the precepts of christianity are good and make for a polite and civil civilization where people can prosper in safety while shitty cannibalidric/human sacrifice cults don't.
The irony of religion is that faith is a detail.
Also important to note that monogamy was only enforceable by religion, without that there would be no long-lived civilizations.
It's called agent detection, even animals have it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_detection
Humans mentally weak and need hope to survive crushing despair of universe. We also like to idealize people for same reason, making heroes and gods.
Man was not made by god, its god who was made by man.
there is an inverse relationship with strength both mental and physical + secular ideas.
Never seen a congregation that wasn't full of overweight middle aged people.
Maybe go somewhere other than America then.
Monkey brain trying to make sense of reality is the explanation for religion in humans
you already posted this 11 hours ago
That wasn’t me, I just link the original post if I want to show it again. It is funny that you had no rebuttal to either though
>It is funny that you had no rebuttal to either though
I mean, you are 15 so there's not a lot of point in debating you and you actually shouldn't be on this website for another three years anyway.
That’s cute anon, but your views are untenable and you can’t defend them.
That makes the opposite of sense.
NTA but it is pretty straightforward anon. Religious myths are fictional models of reality that were ancient attempts at figuring out how it worked and how to use it to your advantage
Why do people these days feel the need to answer any question regardless if they know the answer or not
I’m literally going insane. I gotta finish my work but I ain’t