ITT: Yet unproven historical theories you believe to be true.

ITT: Yet unproven historical theories you believe to be true.

For me, it's the Phoenicians circumnavigating Africa for Pharaoh Necho II.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Romans conquered a portion of Ireland before fricking off.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      How far can one go on the wacky moronation direction until it goes too far?
      Also bump for the obscure and funny theories. While Ipersonally don't believe them I'll say that the theories of the odyssey/illiad actually happening in the baltic sea are kind of interesting. I like to collect yet unproven far off theories like that

      Elaborate what part of ireland at least, leicester?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        > Elaborate what part of ireland at least, leicester?

        bout this

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          why is it always meath

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Romans conquered a portion of Ireland before fricking off.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    out of antarctica theory

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Celtic settlement in Iceland
    Norse settlement in the Azores (ok I don't believe in this one)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >For me, it's the Phoenicians circumnavigating Africa for Pharaoh Necho II.
      Why would the Phoenicians circumnavigate Africa for the Egyptian pharaoh anyways??

      >Celtic settlement in Iceland
      The Vikings that settled Iceland took slaves and concubines from Scotland and Ireland. Especially women from Scotland.
      A third of their genes and 62% of their maternal genes is Celtic.

      Some I believe:
      >Africans sailed to America
      >Japanese sailed to America
      >Pacific Islanders sailed to America
      All before Columbus

      >Pacific Islanders sailed to America
      There are South American tribes with Melanesian and Australian genetics..
      Polynesians traded with South America and share common words for sweet potatoes which they brought over from the Andes and began cultivating across their islands.

      >Japanese sailed to America
      The Japanese weren't a long-distance seafaring people. They weren't going anywhere beyond the West Pacific. They were largely isolationist in terms of trade, and it's not like overfishing was a thing yet for them to sail farther for their catch either.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Japanese fisherman veering off course into California and Mexico is very common. The gyres that helped Columbus along are also present in the Pacific

        Pic related is from when rubber ducks spilled in the pacific. They were naturally carried to California

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Celtic settlement in Iceland
        I believe he's referring to this.
        >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papar

        >Citation needed
        Fricking use GOOGLE "Polynesians South America" you aspergers frick.
        There are countless papers and articles. Sweet potatoes were literally brought over from South American Andes by Polynesians back to their islands and they all use the same root words for it.

        [...]
        >The first Japanese man to sail around the world did so on accident, because of this exact situation
        >Who is to say that didn't happen pre-Columbus? That is the point of this thread, homosexual
        Then theoretically it's possible Muslim Africans ended up the same on the east coast Americas. Some speculate Brazil could be a landing zone.

        >Polynesians South America
        Here for anyone too lazy
        >https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/dna-pre-columbian-contact-polynesians-native-americans
        >https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/native-americans-polynesians-meet-180975269/
        >https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/science/polynesian-ancestry.html
        News broke of it in 2020, there's plenty more in depth scientific papers but these three are pretty accessible.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >There are South American tribes with Melanesian and Australian genetics..
        these, it turns out, are more likely just basal traits that survived in very isolated amerindian populations, rather than resulting from contact. does not rule out the possibility of contact but it's not really evidence for it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This has already been proven. there is both historical records and archelogical finds that prove that the Papar (communities of irish ascetic monks) were living in Ireland before the norse.

      the Papar were also most likely responsible for the findings in azores. Since those 5-beta-stigmasterol samples date to just before the viking age of discovery and there are legends of irish monks sailing out into the atlantic to discover new islands that might be based on truth. Not as much evidence for this but since hermit monks don't leave much in the way of material culture and also don't produce offspring it would explain how they disappeared without record.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't believe it but the theories of dierk lange and his schizophrenia regarding connections between the ancient middle east and west africa are interesting.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ancient Astronaut theory and humans originating from Mars and/or another star system
    Mars having civilizations in the past

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      explain in a little more detail why you believe this.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I agree some of the stuff on Ancient Aliens is fake, but so many cultures that are physically separated for thousands of years have similar myths and similar descriptions of beings that were in contact with them.

        Astronauts have a circadian rhythm that exactly aligns with the length of a Martian day. The Cydonian "face" still looks like vaguely a face even with NASA's attempts to obscure it in high-res images and there are other unnatural shapes like the 5-sided pyramids.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair the cydonian face might be just a case of the human tendency to see faces were there aren't. But please continue. i can see what you mean with the similar mythologies.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >but so many cultures that are physically separated for thousands of years have similar myths and similar descriptions of beings that were in contact with them.
          Archetype-let

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Archetype-let
            Lets see your side profile

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Why do you ask strangers on the internet for selfies? You one of them gay boys?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > disconnected from the collective unconscious
            > doesn’t have the archetypes
            Pity
            Everything must be surprising for you

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >you obscure things by making the definition BETTER

          OK moron

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I think it’s unironically a good show too. the conclusions they reach may be asinine but the subjects they cover and the places they go are interesting

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They were allowed to cover these subjects because they did it 'ironically'
            So it was the first major mainstream western 'documentary' series that could go into all that, because it was 'just for fun' and 'muh aliums did it'
            Thats the only way they could get away with it, otherwise it would of been 40 kinds of revisionism/racism/supremacy/pseudoscience/crackpot/tinfoilhat/schizzo thrown at them
            But ancient aliums is fine, that threatens no one

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Some I believe:
    >Africans sailed to America
    >Japanese sailed to America
    >Pacific Islanders sailed to America
    All before Columbus

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Are you open for the vikangz sailed to america and reached the andes schizo theory or not?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Islanders sailed to America
      that's a proven theory anon

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Fair enough.

        Some I believe:
        >Africans sailed to America
        >Japanese sailed to America
        >Pacific Islanders sailed to America
        All before Columbus

        I've seen worse, like vietnamese sailed to america and shit like that.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I've seen worse, like vietnamese sailed to america and shit like that.
          Yeah but most of the full schizo ones like the founding dynasty of China was actually Korean etc don't get translated into English fortunately/unfortunately

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, I'm lucky I can speak spanish so I got to experience the full demahieu package.
            "Indoeuropean roots in Quechua" and all.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Indoeuropean roots in Quechua
            qrd, por favor...

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The guy wrote like 5 books but long story short.
            Vikangz explored north america more than we thought.
            Vikangz go to mexico for a couple of times then start seething and leave.
            Vikangz reach the andes, build tihuanako and make empire. Vikangz get BTFO, vikangz go essentially extinct save for the group that goes on to make the inca empire and another that escapes down to paraguay where in theory they still live.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Islanders sailed to America
      This is a proven fact
      sailed to America
      This is tyrone's headcanony and has no solid evidence
      sailed to America
      They would have documented it pike the vikings did

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        to be fair the sagas aren't a full recollection of norse presence i north amerida for all we know.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >This is a proven fact
        No it’s not
        >This is tyrone's headcanony and has no solid evidence
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_voyage_of_the_predecessor_of_Mansa_Musa
        >They would have documented it pike the vikings did
        Not necessarily. There may have been a ship or several blown of course. It’s very likely and has happened many times. Vikings never documented “it” really, just that there was a place called Vinland and we suspect it was somewhere on Canada based on archeological evidence

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_voyage_of_the_predecessor_of_Mansa_Musa

          You do realize this means absolutely nothing.
          We are talking about river boats being sent into the fricking open Ocean,

          they all died.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You do realize what the point of this thread is, right? It’s for hypothetical situations, you bitterly angry virgin

            100 years before Columbus, a king says he knew people who sailed that same way and never came back. Of course they could have crashed and died; or they very easily could have made landfall. We will never know

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > You do realize what the point of this thread is, right? It’s for hypothetical situations, you bitterly angry virgin

            Yes, hypothetical in the sense that they could have happened.
            Not idiotic ideas that surely would not have possibly happen.

            > 100 years before Columbus, a king says he knew people who sailed that same way and never came back.

            Yeah, because they drowned.

            Do you have any fricking idea how many European ships are recorded as sailing into the Atlantic never to be heard off again throughout the centuries before Columbus lol?

            The difference being that Europeans understand that those people drowned, and don't invent imbecile fantasies with no mind behind it.

            > Of course they could have crashed and died; or they very easily could have made landfall. We will never know

            They did crash and die, there is no could have.
            They did not make landfall, if they did, they did so somewhere along the African coast up north, because that is how the winds and currents take you, and you have no chance of breaking off either without very good ships and sails.

            > We will never know

            We do know.
            Just like we know what happened to The Terror ships, despite never hearing from them after or finding evidence; they fricking froze or drowned to death.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You know that there's a current flowing from Africa to America, making the voyage significantly more likely? While in Europe the current flows away from America?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > You know that there's a current flowing from Africa to America, making the voyage significantly more likely? While in Europe the current flows away from America?

            Cool story, but surface flow;

            https://www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/010417_TS_atlantic-current_main.jpg

            Canary current;

            https://cdn.britannica.com/24/149024-050-18F7DB22/currents-North-Atlantic-Ocean.jpg

            Equatorial counter current;

            https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-80N1LGDeejQ/XC4sUhD4llI/AAAAAAAAEgI/1YzaoLc7cx0dNX4pLmCBuBGU5WyrVjBRACLcBGAs/s1600/Corrientes-oceanicas-en.png

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_Counter_Current

            etc. etc.

            There is absolutely no chance for river vessels to be able to reach the current that goes to the Americas.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >No it’s not
          They have new world spices and crops, and both Polynesian populations and Andean populations contain genetic evidence of interaction
          >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_voyage_of_the_predecessor_of_Mansa_Musa
          Not only is that story a second hand record, we have no evidence of the expedition's fate. Native populations do not posses the genetic evidence that would suggest african interaction, nor have african goods been found in the Americas. Perhaps there's some isolated carribean island out there with the evidence we're missing, but we haven't found anything concrete
          Vikings never documented “it” really, just that there was a place called Vinland and we suspect it was somewhere on Canada based on archeological evidence
          That's documentation enough to give us a solid idea of who came there, how they came there, why they were there, and why vinland failed

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >No it’s not
          Do a basic google search of "Polynesians South America". There are countless articles about it. It's not even a niche theory, it's universally accepted among academics.

          Do you know where the Easter Islands are? It's halfway between South America and Polynesia. The Polynesians were island hoppers. They sailed long distances and took breaks on islands in-between. It's not just some aimless journey where they're stuck on a boat until they landed on SA.

          Japanese fisherman veering off course into California and Mexico is very common. The gyres that helped Columbus along are also present in the Pacific

          Pic related is from when rubber ducks spilled in the pacific. They were naturally carried to California

          >Japanese fisherman veering off course into California and Mexico is very common. The gyres that helped Columbus along are also present in the Pacific
          That's TODAY not hundreds or thousands of years ago. Based on the dates in your image, they weren't using wooden boats but were using modern boats with motors and whatnot.

          Japanese sailors back then were unlikely to have even sailed far enough into international waters that they would even be in a position to be pushed by wind or currents into the Americas. What scenario would bring them that that far? They weren't trading with anybody besides China and Korea, and overfishing was not yet a thing which is what causes fishing boats to have to sail farther nowadays.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >it's universally accepted among academics.
            Citation needed

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Citation needed
            Fricking use GOOGLE "Polynesians South America" you aspergers frick.
            There are countless papers and articles. Sweet potatoes were literally brought over from South American Andes by Polynesians back to their islands and they all use the same root words for it.

            >That's TODAY not hundreds or thousands of years ago.
            It was literally hundreds of years ago though
            >from the early 17th century to the mid-19th century several dozen Japanese ships are known to have been carried from Asia to North America along the powerful Kuroshio Currents.
            The first Japanese man to sail around the world did so on accident, because of this exact situation
            >The ship, without a mast or a rudder, was carried across the northern Pacific Ocean by currents. It drifted for 14 months, during which the crew lived on desalinated seawater and on the rice of their cargo.[3] Several crew members died of scurvy; only three survived by the time they arrived at Cape Alava, the westernmost point of Washington's Olympic Peninsula, in 1834.
            Who is to say that didn't happen pre-Columbus? That is the point of this thread, homosexual

            >The first Japanese man to sail around the world did so on accident, because of this exact situation
            >Who is to say that didn't happen pre-Columbus? That is the point of this thread, homosexual
            Then theoretically it's possible Muslim Africans ended up the same on the east coast Americas. Some speculate Brazil could be a landing zone.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Funny thing about Brazil: we have found completely distinct aborigine genetic groups in the amazon, unrelated to all the other surrounding native tribes
            We have not found African genetic groups
            How the FRICK did the aboriginals get there when the Africans didn't

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Care to elaborate?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Southern native Americans split from northern ones around 16,000 years ago, the results suggest, and reached South America not long afterwards.
            >The genomes reveal many more details about this process. For instance, it appears some previously unknown group split away from northern native Americans at some point and then moved into South America around 8000 years ago, long after the initial migration.
            >But the study also adds to a big mystery: some groups in the Amazon are somewhat more closely related to the Australasians of Australia and Papua New Guinea than other native Americans are. The genomes show this “Australasian signal” is more than 10,000 years old. So where did it come from?
            https://www.newscientist.com/article/2184840-indigenous-peoples-in-the-amazon-and-australia-share-some-ancestry/
            Unironic aborigines in America

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I don't care if it's a journal, I don't believe this shit until I see it being corroborated more.
            As it stands it makes no fricking sense and it's suspect, can they point out to uniparentals that shoudn't be here according to the classic theory of colonization of the Americas? Or ANY archeological signs of the previous pre-Amerindian wave?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >That's TODAY not hundreds or thousands of years ago.
            It was literally hundreds of years ago though
            >from the early 17th century to the mid-19th century several dozen Japanese ships are known to have been carried from Asia to North America along the powerful Kuroshio Currents.
            The first Japanese man to sail around the world did so on accident, because of this exact situation
            >The ship, without a mast or a rudder, was carried across the northern Pacific Ocean by currents. It drifted for 14 months, during which the crew lived on desalinated seawater and on the rice of their cargo.[3] Several crew members died of scurvy; only three survived by the time they arrived at Cape Alava, the westernmost point of Washington's Olympic Peninsula, in 1834.
            Who is to say that didn't happen pre-Columbus? That is the point of this thread, homosexual

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Japanese fisherman veering off course into California and Mexico is very common. The gyres that helped Columbus along are also present in the Pacific

            Pic related is from when rubber ducks spilled in the pacific. They were naturally carried to California

            >For me, it's the Phoenicians circumnavigating Africa for Pharaoh Necho II.
            Why would the Phoenicians circumnavigate Africa for the Egyptian pharaoh anyways??

            >Celtic settlement in Iceland
            The Vikings that settled Iceland took slaves and concubines from Scotland and Ireland. Especially women from Scotland.
            A third of their genes and 62% of their maternal genes is Celtic.

            [...]
            >Pacific Islanders sailed to America
            There are South American tribes with Melanesian and Australian genetics..
            Polynesians traded with South America and share common words for sweet potatoes which they brought over from the Andes and began cultivating across their islands.

            >Japanese sailed to America
            The Japanese weren't a long-distance seafaring people. They weren't going anywhere beyond the West Pacific. They were largely isolationist in terms of trade, and it's not like overfishing was a thing yet for them to sail farther for their catch either.

            >That's TODAY not hundreds or thousands of years ago.
            It was literally hundreds of years ago though
            >from the early 17th century to the mid-19th century several dozen Japanese ships are known to have been carried from Asia to North America along the powerful Kuroshio Currents.
            The first Japanese man to sail around the world did so on accident, because of this exact situation
            >The ship, without a mast or a rudder, was carried across the northern Pacific Ocean by currents. It drifted for 14 months, during which the crew lived on desalinated seawater and on the rice of their cargo.[3] Several crew members died of scurvy; only three survived by the time they arrived at Cape Alava, the westernmost point of Washington's Olympic Peninsula, in 1834.
            Who is to say that didn't happen pre-Columbus? That is the point of this thread, homosexual

            Japanese or chinese ships are known to have wrecked on the American pacific north west coast. The natives were found to have iron artifacts from these wrecks. Its unknown if anyone survived but I would imagine if they did long enough to breed it would be written in the genetic record and I dont know of any suggestion that it is.

            https://i.imgur.com/Ua8F0Uo.gif

            ITT: Yet unproven historical theories you believe to be true.

            For me, it's the Phoenicians circumnavigating Africa for Pharaoh Necho II.

            I dont *actually* believe it but I think the "Carthaginians fled to America" is pretty fun to consider. Imagine being so scared of Rome you frick off to Brazil in a galley.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Its unknown if anyone survived but I would imagine if they did long enough to breed it would be written in the genetic record and I dont know of any suggestion that it is.
            There's at least one person who survived the trip, and there's no reason to believe that was the only time it ever happened in history.

            A handful of people washing up every other century won't really leave any genetic impact, though.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >A handful of people washing up every other century won't really leave any genetic impact, though.
            It definitely would within small populations.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            But the Pacific Northwest actually had a relatively large population. The abundance of food from the sea and rivers made them much more populous than other hunter gatherers.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >it's universally accepted among academics.
            no it's not

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >no it's not
            There are countless articles and papers arguing for Polynesians having visited South America. So it's up to you to show the ones rejecting it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >The Malian economy was able to shrug off the loss of 2,199 ocean worthy vessels with little to no ill effects.
          Does this mean we can put an end to claims that West Africans had an inferior geography relating to sea travel?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Even if the story is real, not really. A rich empire could afford a lot of waste on a plan that doesn't succeed. That doesn't change the potential geographic basis for the lack of success.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >They would have documented it pike the vikings did
        christians in continental europe did, not the viKANGZ

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Japanese sailed to America
      There's a Native American tribe in Nevada with a language striking similar dialect to a regional Japanese language one at the time.
      I've seen a few people speculate that they might be the descendants of those sailors.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I've seen a few people speculate that they might be the descendants of those sailors.
        Then what's stopping them from doing a DNA test then. There should be some overlap if remotely true.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No idea.
          I've only heard it.
          I could imagine with how small the tribe is now traces of DNA might not even exist anymore.
          Besides the going theory with them is that a few survivors merging into the tribe and the tribe adopted parts of their language.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Japanese boats were blown to America by winds in historic times, some men went with Perry to mediate and try to get back home.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Pacific Islanders sailed to America
      this has been confirmed.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Greeks actually sailed to America.

      > According to the traveler in De Facie, new travelers would make the journey to the great continent roughly every thirty years, when the planet Saturn, which Greeks called Kronos, appeared in the Taurus constellation.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      > africans sailes to America but couldn't reach Madagascar before the asians did

      okay

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    large continents were sunk not too long ago. This explains why we are missing so much information and it explains why humans have not advanced as fast as they are capable.

    >picrelated

    we know for a fact that our ancestors had source maps that were incredibly detailed, but depicted land masses no longer present.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Bro Joao II was trying to claim that the entire new world was Portuguese domain as they would be technically African under his argument. Not only could his claims not be substantiated, they were part of a brazen attempt to force concessions from the spanish which resulted in the treaty of tordesilla
    And his comments on race is simply not true
    Also Malians didn't use canoes, they used sail boats
    Again, this is a theory that stands on nothing but headcanon and assumptions, there's not enough concrete proof

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Please return the thread back to topic.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Tartessos being the inspiration for Atlantis.
    Pytheas of Massalia reaching Iceland and calling it Thule.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the lemba being israeli.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >there was a massive megalitic civilisation in the balkans and apenines predating illirians

    Its 'yet unprooven', but someone built those walls and it sure as frick wasnt romans, its perfectly clear ilirian layers are on top of them and roman and medieval on top of those

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      what walls?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Theres walls made out of rocks the size of miniwans built on moutains all along the adriatic
        Its clear that the illirian layer is later built on top of these
        No one knows who built them

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Can you post an article or something?
      Not finding much searching.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        All the stuff i can find is in croat or serb, this is just a blog post no 'official' article
        https://www.dalmatiariviera.com/a-trip-to-mysterious-and-unknown-dalmatia-asseria-and-varvaria/

        Theres tons of that stuff, in italy and greece and macedonia too, probably further on into anatolia and arround the black sea but i wouldnt know im just assuming

        The key words are asseria, varvaria and daorson, but theres a bunch of other places

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Dont forget that civilization likely developed writing thousands of years before the sumerians. i firmly believe civilization is older that we think, altought i dont think there was some lost advanced super civilization. Just some sumerian-egypt tier precursor civilizations that didnt left descendants for whatever reasons. We know from the Missisipi Culture that this can happen.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Forgot to post their writing system, my bad.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Mississipians DID leave descendents. The story of Red horn is well known and consistent on the mississipi area, as it always gas been
        What happened to the mississipians is that none of their descendents wanted to keep record of their civilization. We don't even have oral histories like we do with other super tribes. For what ever reason, they rejected Cahokia after it's fall and wanted it forgotten

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yea that was what i meant. Instead of trying to preserve at least the techonology achievements of the the missisipians, their successors either couldnt or wanted, making the civilization lost.
          Basically the opposed of the sumerians, whose civilization was LARPed by their successors/descendats for over 2000 years. Even when the memory of the actuall sumerians got lost

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    nova anglia

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There’s no way in hell this happened. The Cape of Good Hope would’ve wrecked their shit if they even got that far.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      One can dream anon.
      Muh sherden reached zimbabwe.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Buddhism influenced early Christianity and directly influenced Gnosticism
    We know for sure that Buddhist missionaries were active in the Mediterranean and had established communities in/around Alexandria. Since Alexandria was THE intellectual home of early Christianity/Gnosticism, it makes sense that the commonalities they share with Buddhism are not a coincidence.
    >Christianity was originally a mystery religion
    I think that Christianity started as a pretty typical mystery religion of the period. Most likely even what we would today call Gnostic in terms of theology. It only started to resemble modern Christianity after its interaction with messianic israelites in the Levant and later judaizers mutilated the Gospel of Marcion and suppressed the adherents of the original Mysteries of Christ that Gospel represented.
    >Manichean texts still survive in western China but are being hidden as that the government does not seize and destroy them
    This is pure internet rumor. But since western China was the last holdout for Manichaeism and it did continue to exist there as a practiced at-least into the 17th century. I think it is very possible that this could be correct. If those texts ever did get out and into the hands of scholars, we would basically have another nag-hammadi on our hands.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I personally wouldn't expect the persian schizo religion to tell you anything factual about rival faiths but it's not impossible something in them might be interesting.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Early Christianity was very much 'mysterious'.
      Check out stuff like the Gospel of Mary.
      Peter and Paul had a single view of Christianity that wasn't shared by all early Christians.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      China have a long history of secret religious societies. It's more than plausible. But if they are good enough to hide from the efficent chink state persecution, then they will remain hidden by anyone else as long as they want, no matter how hard we try to find them

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Basque/Irish/Bristol fishermen had stumbled upon America at least a couple of decades before Columbus.

        >good enough to hide from the efficent chink state persecution
        The hiding dosen't have to be on purpose even. It could be a Dunhuang Cave-like situation where there is a cache of Manichean texts abandoned in some obscure cave that only like 3 goatherders in Gansu know exists

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Basque/Irish/Bristol fishermen had stumbled upon America at least a couple of decades before Columbus.
          This is already proven, or at least Basque presence is. There is also very strong evidence for Bristol fishermen to have fished along the coast of newfoundland. I have never heard of irishmen being in America before Columbus though

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >This is already proven, or at least Basque presence is.
            no it's not. it's a good possibility that is interesting, and because of that the possibility is repeated so often that it becomes treated as fact

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Basque/Irish/Bristol fishermen had stumbled upon America at least a couple of decades before Columbus.
          This is already proven, or at least Basque presence is. There is also very strong evidence for Bristol fishermen to have fished along the coast of newfoundland. I have never heard of irishmen being in America before Columbus though

          Any sources on the fishermen? I've tried searching but nothing's come up.
          Regarding the Basque, the earliest I can see is in the 1510s.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Solutrean Hypothesis is real

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Medieval Indians reached New Zealand.
    There's already genetic and archeological evidence to suggest a tiny one-way sea migration from South India to Australia around 2000 BC. But I also think one of the big South Indian maritime empires (Chola?) could've reached sometime between 1000-1500 AD. The main evidence is pic rel, a ship bell with Tamil writing on it discovered in 1836. Used by Maori to boil vegetables. The specific phase/stage of script used here seems to indicate something in the 1300's

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      link to the study showing one-way directional geneflow from ASI Indians into Northwest Aboriginal Australians. Note that none of the distinct Papuan/Negrito groups in the vicinity received this ASI introgression. The authors also point out some coincidences like changes in tool technology, food processing, and the dingo appearing in the Australian archaeological record all happening around the same time

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I am mentally disabled lol
        https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1211927110

  18. 1 year ago
    ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

    ROMANS EXPLORING WHAT WOULD BECOME AMERICA, IN THE FIRST CENTURY C E (CHRISTIAN ERA), PROBABLY AIDED BY NAVIGATIONAL TECHNOLOGY, AND INFORMATION, ACQUIRED FROM THE CARTHAGINIANS AFTER CONQUERING THEM TWO CENTURY PRIOR.

    • 1 year ago
      ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

      >[...] AFTER CONQUERING THEM TWO [CENTURIES] PRIOR.

  19. 1 year ago
    straight shota

    the aztecs came from atlantis which is from a different dimension and one of the 7 "caves" which are interdimensional portals. each race originated from its own portal

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >blatantly moronic theory I believe for fun
    Every cryptid was real at one point and influential leaders hunted them
    >actual theory
    Fantastical species and races were real centuries ago

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently there was a native tribe in Texas that used 2-3 roman numeral systems correctly. Like V-VI-VII for 5-6-7. So i believe some random romans may had shipwrecked in America and left some traces. I need to check back the source tho.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      source? sounds interesting

  22. 1 year ago
    straight shota

    [...]

    >olmecs
    >slanty eyes
    >Black folk
    >norsegays
    >sand Black folk
    >joos
    >meds

    each came from their own respective portal and then each sub-race today branched off from there in this dimension

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How would he have sailed past arguin? The winds go to brazil and you need a vessel capable of doing a volte del mar deep in the ocean to return to spain.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The sea peoples were running from the indo-europeans , and were the previous owner of Italy, the balkans, and Hispania
    Ancient Palestinians were sea peoples resettled on the border by the victorious Egyptians.
    Basque are related to the sea peoples

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is one sea people is indeed confirmed to have been settled in Palestine (the Philistines). But for the scarse source we have of their original language before starting speaking aramaic like all their semitic neighboroods, it seems it was a most likely IE language.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Since the sea peoples were loose confederation of various ethnicities it's very likely some of them were Indo-european, but probably not all them.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yahwehism/Monotheistic Tengrism/Dyeus Paterism/Great Spirit Worship was the original religion of all of Mankind until shamaBlack folk/priestBlack folk got greedy and invented other gods/spirits to sell their need for "more rituals" and "donations" and get richer.
    >inb4 sky daddy
    the sky is the closest thing to infinity a human being can comprehend, regardless of how you atheistcucks/pagancucks spin it. It is nothing shameful to worship and respect the Heavens

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sky daddy is ancient tier understanding. A pantheistic view of a monotheist god makes far, far more sense.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I believe that that God in Heaven was the literal Father of the Human Race and you can't convince it isn't otherwise
        Also Atenism was its iteration on the Egyptian people, which the priests buried, but Akhenaten rediscovered it and tried to restore it as the righteous religion of of all in Kemet

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      i also believe this, and this is also pretty much the orthodox islamic view
      t. christian

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      this makes sense
      >did you do the booga booga dance for god #123? you'll have a bad harvest if you don't, so let me show you how
      lel

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I firmly believe Judaism is just a bastardized offshot of the cult of Aton from Egypt.
    >Intollerant aniconic monoteism
    >"Moses" is confirmed to be an egyptian name
    >Ancient Hewbrew had a clear strong distate for everything related to egyptians
    >Judaic priests litterally were exact opposite of the Egyptian priests (black long robes and beards against short white robes and shaved), almost like it was intentionall
    >Real name of the Hebrew God cannot be said. Maybe in fear of egyptian repercussion because it was "Aton"?
    >My theory is that some relative of the Pharaon who pushed Aton lead the loyalists of the cults in the remote border areas of the ehyptian kingdom, where they mixed with the locals and the fusion of their two spirituality eventually lead to Judaism, and the Moses story it's a remote memory of them fleeding persecution in Egypt

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Real name of the Hebrew God cannot be said. Maybe in fear of egyptian repercussion because it was "Aton"?
      Except that is was originally spoken. It's written right there in the OT יהוה, and we still vocolize the shortened form in names like Elijah (Eli-yah) and words like Hallelu-yah.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I firmly believe Judaism is just a bastardized offshot of the cult of Aton from Egypt.
        >Intollerant aniconic monoteism
        >"Moses" is confirmed to be an egyptian name
        >Ancient Hewbrew had a clear strong distate for everything related to egyptians
        >Judaic priests litterally were exact opposite of the Egyptian priests (black long robes and beards against short white robes and shaved), almost like it was intentionall
        >Real name of the Hebrew God cannot be said. Maybe in fear of egyptian repercussion because it was "Aton"?
        >My theory is that some relative of the Pharaon who pushed Aton lead the loyalists of the cults in the remote border areas of the ehyptian kingdom, where they mixed with the locals and the fusion of their two spirituality eventually lead to Judaism, and the Moses story it's a remote memory of them fleeding persecution in Egypt

        The name of God is YHVH, it's just that Akhenaten received a direct revelation from God before God revealed his name to Moses and to the Israelite peoples.

        Ra represented the sun itself, before Atenism the Aten was the solar disk. Its obvious if you listen to the Hymn to the Aten ( https://youtu.be/wFfLK2pmMnw ) that the Aten or solar disk was a proxy Akhenaten used to describe the nature of God. Also interesting is that the Aten clearly represents not just the solar disk but Light itself which lines up with scripture

        4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

        John 1:4-5

        12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

        John 8:12

        3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

        Genesis 1:3

        It is likely Akhenaten was the Phaorah who put Jacob and the Israelites into positions of power (likely to be his new priestly caste instead of the old polytheism demon worshippers). Akhenatwn dies early, his young son Tutankhaten takes the throne but also dies early on, but yields more control over to the old priest cast (he changes his name to Tutankhamun during his reign). The last member of this Dynasty, Ay also takes the throne but it's dethroned by the Pharoah Horemheb who begins a campaign of persecution against Atenism and the Israelites, culminating in a planned systemic genocide which results in the Exodus. This is the Pharaoh whose heart is hardened and who chases the Israelites through the desert.

        During this time attemps were made to erase Atenism and Akhenaten from the historical record. The Israelites were Atenists who being loyal to the Creator are gifted his guidance and His name is revealed to them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think the timeline would line up for that.

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Have sex, incel

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    That the Portuguese already knew about the existence of America decades before colombus and preferred to go around Africa because it was safer and cheaper

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Atlantis. Specifically that there were civilizations before the ice age. I don't think humans fricked around for 200,000 and only decided to start building shit 10,000 years ago.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Africans and Native Americans were fricking around and only decided to start building shit 200 years ago

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        NTA, but he was talking about humans

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          have sex

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Naw, if humans did have civs before 1: there would be evidence, 2: no megafauna would have been around for the ice age.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Naw, if humans did have civs before 1: there would be evidence, 2: no megafauna would have been around for the ice age.

      this, if it was truly global and absurdly smart/technological, there would be more proof than fricking stone buildings
      also

      Africans and Native Americans were fricking around and only decided to start building shit 200 years ago

      is true
      humans can't have civilization under circumstances, atleast not very advanced civilization
      it's not impossible to believe it took a very long time for agriculture to become so widespread it spread across groups instead of maybe one group having it

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Atlantis = Heligoland

    >The Amber room sits on the bottom of the baltic sea in a downed sub (source: diary of the grandfather an old schoolmate of mine)

    >Jesus was a buddhist/Yogi

    >Germany did not buy back Königsberg in the 80s because they did not want to be flooded with ethnic russians

    >Politics post WWII is all about money, nothing else

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot: Middle Europe was way more developed during the bronze age than most people know about. Amber trade brought enormous wealth

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Well of course eberyone stillthinks bronze europe beyond greece is pure unga bunga land. And it isn't. The number of frickhuge structures in europe is astounding. The culchas... Vgh.
        I wish the rest of the world was this developed archeologically.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          There are so cool artifacts like the berlin gold hat, or all these burial mounds which are just PVRE SOVL, meds will never understand

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No need to start sperging, both can be readily appreciated. I might like muh piles of sardinian stones and bronze figurines a little more but cornwall tin was important and so was the ambar trade. I assume you are also a horned helmet enjoyer.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you believe that mythological Atlantis was there? What was written in that diary?

      >Politics post WWII is all about money, nothing else
      Not a theory, more of a fact.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      was a buddhist/Yogi
      Why do you believe this?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The last 2 are just obvious facts though

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The last 2 are just obvious facts though

      did not buy back Königsberg in the 80s because they did not want to be flooded with ethnic russians

      one Soviet/Russian general-diplomat made a suggestion in that direction towards a German diplomat. It wasn't exactly fully official, and it's doubtful whether Russia was actually willing to do that. The German side made clear that it wasn't interested, but not because it was filled with ethnic Russians, rather because the other 3 powers (US, UK, France) likely wouldn't have agreed, and reunification was much more important than getting back the northern part of former East Prussia, which was now inhabited by Russians anyway.

      Here's an article about the story that (translate it with deepl.com): https://magazin.spiegel.de/EpubDelivery/spiegel/pdf/70569479

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What if Necho II find sea route to Taiwan and Japan?

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    That Coptic is extinct.
    It's not extinct, you dumb fricks at Wikipedia!
    People still learn and speak the language!

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, it doesn't sound like it'd be too hard. If supplies ran dry they could just anchor off the coast and have somebody row onto the mainland to get supplies. Or maybe I'm just moronic and that wouldn't have worked.

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I believe people were more advanced during the ice age than we think. Not mega-city floating crystal tier. But maybe a handful of small towns/hillforts scattered around

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Almost all ancient history is riddled with propaganda. Not fake, just heavily distorted. Like Alexander jumping into a citadel solo-ing dozens of mooks before being heroically saved at the last moment.

    The Trojan War characters were based off real people, whose deeds were heavily mythologized through the ages morphing into the characters we know.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Like Alexander jumping into a citadel solo-ing dozens of mooks before being heroically saved at the last moment.
      How do you know this didn't happen? Why does everyone assume that anything surprising that happened in history must necessarily be hyperbole or a straight out lie? Merkle was right when he said, "This is the burden of the scholar, the need to scratch through the gilding that obscures the stories of history’s heroes, to lay open the ugly truth of ulterior motives, vainglorious pride, and bad breath. But sometimes the heroes of history are truly worthy of the golden reputations they carry. Sometimes the truest retelling of the story is permeated with hero worship."

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You ever been in a fight? You are fricked against a dozen guys surrounding you. Now give them spears, bows and swords. And make them a 100.

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The Skeleton Coast would have literally rekt their shore-hugging fishboats tho.

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