The post applies to Orthodox Christians better than any other denomination, completely dominated by zoomers who are only attracted to it because they see it as removed from western degeneracy. They would all adopt Islam happily if it wasn't a religion practiced mostly by brown people.
A rainbow color scheme while emphasizing “free to be you”? I suppose the rainbow flag in the youth pastor’s office is just to remind him of Noah, right?
Hmm the op pic related seems like projection. I am not a zoomie or a catholic, infact I don't belong to any Christian denomination. I study the scriptures because apparently priesthood and stuff is magic, and I would like to utilize it somehow. The end goal being to either kill a lot of people or bring glory to God. I am currently studying Solomon. I have read many books, they all seem to be speculation and gibberish. I should probably just lurk on /x/ but I enjoy the mature conversations here, and my vocabulary is quite large, so it seems like I should be here. LULZ is also nice. All that being said, I don't flex on religious people like athiests, I simply correct them or ask thought provoking questions. Basically if it isn't in the scriptures then I ignore it, which renders me ignoring most of the Christian faith. I feel bad for Christians, their church is dying very quickly, but it's their own fault for not going, and becoming hedonistic. Where does it say in the bible that I need to go to church? I understand that, the Church of christ is sacred, but I don't see where it tells me to go to church. Most Catholics look down on other Churches, because they don't believe in the trinity, and divine nature of Jesus' name, but the bible doesn't call Jesus god or intrinsically state the trinity as fact, even though it is paramount and inherit to the belief in God apparently.
Not to mention Judaism and Islam, which is also the word of God apparently, what about zorastricism? Egyptology? Witch-craft, and all that? Is it to be ignored as well?
How do I become a priest? Can't I just read the scriptures and larp it? Why do I need an institution created by man to ascend to enlightenment and godhood?
Can you prove to me, that Jesus is the name of Yahweh, who is the God of Abraham? Without the trinity, and without lying?
What's with the Jupiter and Saturn worship? Why don't we worship the Sun like the Egyptians? Don't answer, I actually know why.
If God is real, then why do we fear death? Why is it, that whenever I come close to death, all I see is black? Have you ever been sedated for an operation? Time is suspended and again, all you see is black, with the minute sensation of pressure as you are being cut apart.
How come miracles don't happen anymore?
I can go on all day man. Christianity, leaves me with more questions than answers. But I don't attack them for their beliefs. As long as they worship God instead of Jesus, they are ok with me.
Ritual and aesthetics are an important part of religion. Ritual brings the community together, it is making the act of worship communal and tangible. It is showing our faith bodily.
And part of what makes us human is making and appreciating art. It's one of the big things that separate us from animals. That should clue you in to the fact that art is part of divine, part of how divine manifests in humanity. Rejecting aesthetics in some attempt seem more ascetic and thus more "true" is in fact rejecting humanity and that way rejecting the divine within us.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with ritual and grand aesthetics, it is the opposite in fact. Stronger those things are, the stronger the religion.
Just because you can make your own head canon about divinity and your personal relation with it in your gray apartment, doesn't mean that religion itself isn't inherently communal and artistic. Vast majority of religious (and non-religious) people find much inspiring in latter aspects and they aren't wrong.
I don’t get this. Why do Protestants on LULZ get so mad about us putting work into our Churches? What’s so wrong about wanting to make the House of God look nice instead of like a TED talk auditorium?
do you not have reading comprehension? guy in pic is not demeaning aesthetic beauty, he's shitting on tradlarpers who only care about the appearance and the substance. let me say it in a different way: would you rather a shitty church building with earnest believers (of your own denomination) or a beautiful building that's full of phonies or larpers?
My bad, I’ve seen the argument so many times I jumped the gun. OP is completely right, the LARPers really ruin it for actual converts. It’s to the point I lie and say I’m cradle Orthodox when I go to a new parish (travelling for work) because people automatically avoid new converts like the plague.
I’ve been seriously debating converting to Catholicism but I don’t want to be cringe. I 100% believe in God and the divine and have for a long time, and Catholics have the best claims and doctrines to me after reading the catechism, but I don’t know if it will bring me any more spiritual fulfillment to have to constantly act like I’m not a theology/history autist lest a cradle Catholic that attends church sometimes and has no strongly held beliefs sees me as cringe.
I know this is stupid. I just want to eat the magic cookie and sing hymns because peaceful churches and being out on the water are the only two places I feel at peace.
>Catholics have the best claims
Do you really feel that you are read enough to make this statement? By all means start going to church wherever you are, but do you know how to rebuff Lutheran v Catholic arguments? Eastern Orthodox v Catholic?
Have you read a protestant catechism like Westminster or Luther's?
When you're out on the water take some time to listen to a Gavin Ortlund or a Jordan Cooper video explaining their varied protestant takes on catholic doctrine
If you believe then convert. Just make sure you actually know what you’re getting into first. Don’t be the stereotypical convertadox that comes to two services and then leaves because the church isn’t filled with women begging to be your tradwife and the Priest isn’t leading the congregation in chants of “Deus Vult” and “Sieg Heil”. Also don’t be one that goes to every single service they have and then quit because you got bored or found the “REAL Church” three months later. If you can manage that I highly suggest you go.
I'm a lifelong cradle Catholic and you should absolutely convert only if you're being genuine. I'd be happy to be as actually genuine about your attendance as you seem to be. I hate Nick Fuentes types but at the same time people who care about "larpers" on this board are literally not Catholics; they are atheists and trannies working overtime to make Christianity look uncool.
That said I've basically become Eastern Catholic at this point though because I'm disillusioned with how poorly the bloated rich Roman hierarchy runs itself.
I don’t get this. Why do Protestants on LULZ get so mad about us putting work into our Churches? What’s so wrong about wanting to make the House of God look nice instead of like a TED talk auditorium?
By that logic could the money Protestants spend on a church building not also be spent on feeding the homeless? I mean, just have services outside and put up some canopies if it’s raining. Most churches spend in the thousands a year just on air conditioning, couldn’t that go to the homeless, too?
>could the money Protestants spend on a church building not also be spent on feeding the homeless?
well the church is where they sleep when it's cold enough that they would freeze to death
I’m a zoomie convert to Protestantism. I grew up in a completely irreligious household and found God later in life. My faith isn’t as strong as others, I’ll be honest. But also, I hate the lowest common denominator, non-denominational, hippie, mass churches where they basically throw a rock show every Sunday and people show up in pajamas. I don’t care if the church is small—I prefer small, humble churches with a close community of believers. But I just want there to be some dignity given to the house of God. Come dressed well (nothing crazy just some khakis and a polo or something other than a raggedy T-shirt and jeans). Honor God with some genuine and simple worship—not a bunch of freaks bickering over who gets the most attention during the rock show, with drums, keyboards, audio mixers, a light show etc etc like I’m at a pop concert.
This post explains why protestantism mutated into liberalism so easily. Eventually it becomes clear that Jesus is just another icon and God is just another irrational papist belief that stands along with the likes of exorcism and magical holy water. Eventually Prots learned that Christianity couldn’t be reconciled with modernity so they ripped the ethical content of the Bible and jettisoned God. That’s why the Protestant-founded Ivy League colleges and the broader American Northeastern establisment are now the heart of liberalism on earth. Kinda interesting when you think about it, how the most fanatical Christians sects turned into secular humanists in only about 200 years time in America
I live there lol. Almost no one is religious and almost everyone is liberal. And besides, the people I’m describing would never ever call themseves religious, they think that their ethical beliefs are the product of pure reason or something. The liberal culture has existed here since the 1700s at least, Irish Catholic immigrants didn’t cause it, they assimiliated into it lol
The Northeast has been a BASED Catholic stronghold since the 1950s lol, you guys are literally just working backwards from >the prots did this!
To find an argument for why, indeed, "the prots did this"
The Northeast has been a BASED Catholic stronghold since the 1950s lol, you guys are literally just working backwards from >the prots did this!
To find an argument for why, indeed, "the prots did this"
This post explains why protestantism mutated into liberalism so easily. Eventually it becomes clear that Jesus is just another icon and God is just another irrational papist belief that stands along with the likes of exorcism and magical holy water. Eventually Prots learned that Christianity couldn’t be reconciled with modernity so they ripped the ethical content of the Bible and jettisoned God. That’s why the Protestant-founded Ivy League colleges and the broader American Northeastern establisment are now the heart of liberalism on earth. Kinda interesting when you think about it, how the most fanatical Christians sects turned into secular humanists in only about 200 years time in America
I live there lol. Almost no one is religious and almost everyone is liberal. And besides, the people I’m describing would never ever call themseves religious, they think that their ethical beliefs are the product of pure reason or something. The liberal culture has existed here since the 1700s at least, Irish Catholic immigrants didn’t cause it, they assimiliated into it lol
>Oh uh it doesn't matter because the catholics there are spiritually prots anyway
Thanks for playing, better luck next time
I'm glad the internet has gone full circle with its contrarianism.
First kids were posting about being atheists because they wanted to rebel against their parents for making them go to church
Then with a critical mass of online atheists, people turned to catholicism as being the most "un-atheist" thing they could come up with
Now with a critical mass online catholic converts, you have people returning to protestantism, or jumping over to orthodox christianity
What's next, Church of the East?
I judge prostshits by their works and they speak for themselves
Worship of wealth
Death of culture
Neoconservatism
Neoliberalism
Mass male genital mutilation against the laws of the new Covenant
Decline of faith
Endless war
Widespread idiocy
The most demonic nation on Earth: The United States
>Worship of wealth
Adoring a block of gold does not count, eh?
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Homosexuality is sinful. A church that promotes sin is no church at all.
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Liberals love calling people "culture warriors" while being culture warriors themselves.
ah, a type of Catholic who balds over every word Pope Francis says. Barely Catholics hypertrads are fun to have around, they are like other end of dissidency against the institution of Church.
I'm not a Christian but that lil nigga has a point! Orthodox Christians seem to be the most based sect thoughever
The post applies to Orthodox Christians better than any other denomination, completely dominated by zoomers who are only attracted to it because they see it as removed from western degeneracy. They would all adopt Islam happily if it wasn't a religion practiced mostly by brown people.
sounds like cope
thus we see that it broke LULZ.
low-effort
agreed beauty is good but not for the reason tradlarpers think it is
It's true that tradcath zoomers are LARPers but I still think churches should be beautiful. Beauty is a sacred thing.
He makes a good argument against Protestantism.
Though I think shitty churches are just an American Protestant thing, the ones in Europe look fine.
are you retarded?
Excellently put
This is our local Lutheran church
>“Free to be you” youth group written in rainbow colors
Lutherans, why am I not surprised?
Do you think the rainbows in the sky are also LGBT?
A rainbow color scheme while emphasizing “free to be you”? I suppose the rainbow flag in the youth pastor’s office is just to remind him of Noah, right?
Wait, is freedom SJW thing? And religious people are then anti-freedom? How come religion is such a big deal in the supposed "land of the free"?
culture warrior destroyed
Homosexuality is sinful. A church that promotes sin is no church at all.
Liberals love calling people "culture warriors" while being culture warriors themselves.
>muh liberulz
You don't believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God. You've never read the gospels. You don't love God. You just hate homosexuals.
Hmm the op pic related seems like projection. I am not a zoomie or a catholic, infact I don't belong to any Christian denomination. I study the scriptures because apparently priesthood and stuff is magic, and I would like to utilize it somehow. The end goal being to either kill a lot of people or bring glory to God. I am currently studying Solomon. I have read many books, they all seem to be speculation and gibberish. I should probably just lurk on /x/ but I enjoy the mature conversations here, and my vocabulary is quite large, so it seems like I should be here. LULZ is also nice. All that being said, I don't flex on religious people like athiests, I simply correct them or ask thought provoking questions. Basically if it isn't in the scriptures then I ignore it, which renders me ignoring most of the Christian faith. I feel bad for Christians, their church is dying very quickly, but it's their own fault for not going, and becoming hedonistic. Where does it say in the bible that I need to go to church? I understand that, the Church of christ is sacred, but I don't see where it tells me to go to church. Most Catholics look down on other Churches, because they don't believe in the trinity, and divine nature of Jesus' name, but the bible doesn't call Jesus god or intrinsically state the trinity as fact, even though it is paramount and inherit to the belief in God apparently.
Not to mention Judaism and Islam, which is also the word of God apparently, what about zorastricism? Egyptology? Witch-craft, and all that? Is it to be ignored as well?
How do I become a priest? Can't I just read the scriptures and larp it? Why do I need an institution created by man to ascend to enlightenment and godhood?
Can you prove to me, that Jesus is the name of Yahweh, who is the God of Abraham? Without the trinity, and without lying?
What's with the Jupiter and Saturn worship? Why don't we worship the Sun like the Egyptians? Don't answer, I actually know why.
If God is real, then why do we fear death? Why is it, that whenever I come close to death, all I see is black? Have you ever been sedated for an operation? Time is suspended and again, all you see is black, with the minute sensation of pressure as you are being cut apart.
How come miracles don't happen anymore?
I can go on all day man. Christianity, leaves me with more questions than answers. But I don't attack them for their beliefs. As long as they worship God instead of Jesus, they are ok with me.
t. Michelangelo The Retarded
> ITT: posts that broke LULZ
How embarrassing
Ritual and aesthetics are an important part of religion. Ritual brings the community together, it is making the act of worship communal and tangible. It is showing our faith bodily.
And part of what makes us human is making and appreciating art. It's one of the big things that separate us from animals. That should clue you in to the fact that art is part of divine, part of how divine manifests in humanity. Rejecting aesthetics in some attempt seem more ascetic and thus more "true" is in fact rejecting humanity and that way rejecting the divine within us.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with ritual and grand aesthetics, it is the opposite in fact. Stronger those things are, the stronger the religion.
Just because you can make your own head canon about divinity and your personal relation with it in your gray apartment, doesn't mean that religion itself isn't inherently communal and artistic. Vast majority of religious (and non-religious) people find much inspiring in latter aspects and they aren't wrong.
do you not have reading comprehension? guy in pic is not demeaning aesthetic beauty, he's shitting on tradlarpers who only care about the appearance and the substance. let me say it in a different way: would you rather a shitty church building with earnest believers (of your own denomination) or a beautiful building that's full of phonies or larpers?
Ritual and aesthetics are just as important part of communal worship as "earnest believers". Can't have one without the other.
My bad, I’ve seen the argument so many times I jumped the gun. OP is completely right, the LARPers really ruin it for actual converts. It’s to the point I lie and say I’m cradle Orthodox when I go to a new parish (travelling for work) because people automatically avoid new converts like the plague.
I’ve been seriously debating converting to Catholicism but I don’t want to be cringe. I 100% believe in God and the divine and have for a long time, and Catholics have the best claims and doctrines to me after reading the catechism, but I don’t know if it will bring me any more spiritual fulfillment to have to constantly act like I’m not a theology/history autist lest a cradle Catholic that attends church sometimes and has no strongly held beliefs sees me as cringe.
I know this is stupid. I just want to eat the magic cookie and sing hymns because peaceful churches and being out on the water are the only two places I feel at peace.
>Catholics have the best claims
Do you really feel that you are read enough to make this statement? By all means start going to church wherever you are, but do you know how to rebuff Lutheran v Catholic arguments? Eastern Orthodox v Catholic?
Have you read a protestant catechism like Westminster or Luther's?
When you're out on the water take some time to listen to a Gavin Ortlund or a Jordan Cooper video explaining their varied protestant takes on catholic doctrine
If you believe then convert. Just make sure you actually know what you’re getting into first. Don’t be the stereotypical convertadox that comes to two services and then leaves because the church isn’t filled with women begging to be your tradwife and the Priest isn’t leading the congregation in chants of “Deus Vult” and “Sieg Heil”. Also don’t be one that goes to every single service they have and then quit because you got bored or found the “REAL Church” three months later. If you can manage that I highly suggest you go.
I'm a lifelong cradle Catholic and you should absolutely convert only if you're being genuine. I'd be happy to be as actually genuine about your attendance as you seem to be. I hate Nick Fuentes types but at the same time people who care about "larpers" on this board are literally not Catholics; they are atheists and trannies working overtime to make Christianity look uncool.
That said I've basically become Eastern Catholic at this point though because I'm disillusioned with how poorly the bloated rich Roman hierarchy runs itself.
I don’t get this. Why do Protestants on LULZ get so mad about us putting work into our Churches? What’s so wrong about wanting to make the House of God look nice instead of like a TED talk auditorium?
IDK could the money you use that for not go to feeding the homeless or some shit
By that logic could the money Protestants spend on a church building not also be spent on feeding the homeless? I mean, just have services outside and put up some canopies if it’s raining. Most churches spend in the thousands a year just on air conditioning, couldn’t that go to the homeless, too?
>could the money Protestants spend on a church building not also be spent on feeding the homeless?
well the church is where they sleep when it's cold enough that they would freeze to death
just a master morality view on religion
Well, every time I post this someone loses his shit. Does that count?
I'm collecting screenshots of embarrassing e-catholic posts
Any more info on this anon? What’s the greater context, is it suggesting that the picts never existed and they were always Gaels?
I’m a zoomie convert to Protestantism. I grew up in a completely irreligious household and found God later in life. My faith isn’t as strong as others, I’ll be honest. But also, I hate the lowest common denominator, non-denominational, hippie, mass churches where they basically throw a rock show every Sunday and people show up in pajamas. I don’t care if the church is small—I prefer small, humble churches with a close community of believers. But I just want there to be some dignity given to the house of God. Come dressed well (nothing crazy just some khakis and a polo or something other than a raggedy T-shirt and jeans). Honor God with some genuine and simple worship—not a bunch of freaks bickering over who gets the most attention during the rock show, with drums, keyboards, audio mixers, a light show etc etc like I’m at a pop concert.
Same, except my faith is strong
Not as strong as my dick in your ass
it's over
How so?
I agree with this post wholeheartedly. However I still like icons and cathedrals and tradition.
This post explains why protestantism mutated into liberalism so easily. Eventually it becomes clear that Jesus is just another icon and God is just another irrational papist belief that stands along with the likes of exorcism and magical holy water. Eventually Prots learned that Christianity couldn’t be reconciled with modernity so they ripped the ethical content of the Bible and jettisoned God. That’s why the Protestant-founded Ivy League colleges and the broader American Northeastern establisment are now the heart of liberalism on earth. Kinda interesting when you think about it, how the most fanatical Christians sects turned into secular humanists in only about 200 years time in America
Armchair historiography
This northeast? The one displaced by Catholics?
I live there lol. Almost no one is religious and almost everyone is liberal. And besides, the people I’m describing would never ever call themseves religious, they think that their ethical beliefs are the product of pure reason or something. The liberal culture has existed here since the 1700s at least, Irish Catholic immigrants didn’t cause it, they assimiliated into it lol
So the unitarian controversy? Got it
I don't follow
The Northeast has been a BASED Catholic stronghold since the 1950s lol, you guys are literally just working backwards from
>the prots did this!
To find an argument for why, indeed, "the prots did this"
Wrong post lol
>Oh uh it doesn't matter because the catholics there are spiritually prots anyway
Thanks for playing, better luck next time
I'm glad the internet has gone full circle with its contrarianism.
First kids were posting about being atheists because they wanted to rebel against their parents for making them go to church
Then with a critical mass of online atheists, people turned to catholicism as being the most "un-atheist" thing they could come up with
Now with a critical mass online catholic converts, you have people returning to protestantism, or jumping over to orthodox christianity
What's next, Church of the East?
I judge prostshits by their works and they speak for themselves
Worship of wealth
Death of culture
Neoconservatism
Neoliberalism
Mass male genital mutilation against the laws of the new Covenant
Decline of faith
Endless war
Widespread idiocy
The most demonic nation on Earth: The United States
>Worship of wealth
Adoring a block of gold does not count, eh?
ah, a type of Catholic who balds over every word Pope Francis says. Barely Catholics hypertrads are fun to have around, they are like other end of dissidency against the institution of Church.
I'd become a catholic for she