I spent a day running errands with my brother during the chinkflu lockdown. His job went remote but honestly he didn't do much. He had a zoom meeting going while driving but was muted, we walked around the hardware store and got food during another meeting, he sent a couple of emails out in a parking lot then we went to another shop. Then he talked about how nice it was to work from home but got boring but all he did really was go to the store or watch tv. I'm convinced the majority of office jobs can be done in 30 minutes a day but they stretch it into 8 hour blocks because NPCs need busy work and structure otherwise they'll kill themselves.
You know these old paintings make the ships look better than thy actually were. Imagine trying to promote or sell a car and getting a painter for the advert. I bet it didn't look this good in person.
Well it sank in port right after taking off on the maiden voyage, so there's your advertising. Anyway the ship is preserved and is in a museum in Stockholm so anyone can go see it for themselves.
Nah I'm not bragging. Even though some other countries and cities might have had a bigger population there's probably a similar situation for other places.
Why? Warships were VITAL to coastal defense. Without them they would be conquered from the sea with ease. A fine warship or two would make potential invaders think twice. Only takes a work force of a few hundred men to build one, and a few dozen to man it.
Well yeah when a monarch backs a project with the royal treasury then shit can get fast tracked and done in a relatively short time too, no bureaucracy either
also they could just offer decent money and hire or force a bunch of people to do the labor, doesn't take much to follow shipbuilder orders
>The ship was also built asymmetrically because the teams building it used different units of measurement. The Amsterdam foot and the Swedish foot were used, differing by more than 1.5 cm. This resulted in differences in weight distribution on both sides of the ship.
>On August 10, 1628, Vasa, under the command of Captain Söfring Hansson, set off on its first trial voyage from the port of Stockholm, watched from the shore by crowds of people. Still within the port, after setting the sails and getting out from behind the shelter of the coastal rocks, under the influence of a gust of wind, the ship tilted strongly to the left side. After taking in water through the open gun ports, the ship capsized and sank, taking with it approximately 30 to 50 sailors. The ship only sailed about a mile. The flat bottom, shallow draft, the huge advantage of the above-water part over the underwater part, insufficient stone ballast and, in addition, heavy guns gathered on the upper decks meant that the unit could barely keep its balance on the water even without sails.
>The commission convened later did not blame anyone for the disaster. Alleged Polish agents were then accused of sabotage by intentionally changing the ship's design data.
Free white nations have been traveling the world by ship for 1000s of years. We were the original Phoenicians and a settlement of 100 people could build a sophisticated sea fairing ship
it was a pan-European effort, the ship architect was Henrik Hybertsson who was Dutch. they based the design on French ships. it was built in 1627 in the midst of the Thirty Years War when they were all allies against Spain and Austria. Clas Larsson Fleming the head of the Swedish Navy used to sail to New Sweden in Delaware to get supplies.
I went to Mexico a few years back and thought the same thing. They had this whole village and thought the population of it was around 3k. Insane to me that they built so much with so little.
>It's weird that Sweden built this ship at a time when the population of Stockholm was just 16,000.
What did it do that would make it seem like a ship built in a much larger city ? How did Stockholm demonstrate to the world superior and advanced engineering ability ?
Easy, boy. Sweden still win overall, if you look at achievements. Stay in your lane (which means eating tainted pork and drinking copious amounts of beer), and be happy
>Sweden built this ship
How come the sweden never became a major sea going colonial power? Didn't you have viking history to draw from? Why let the British Spanish and French have the world?
Sweden tried to become top dog (great power) for a long while, and dominate its environs.
A couple of problems arose- mostly the low population, but also the existence of more well established great powers like Russia that couldn't be beaten easily.
Going outside the kiddy pond of the Baltic Sea means owning the exit of denmark. It also means you are vulnerable to raiding from other places in the Baltic. Ergo conquering the entirety of the coast becomes #1 priority.
It was tried
>The ship was also built asymmetrically because the teams building it used different units of measurement. The Amsterdam foot and the Swedish foot were used, differing by more than 1.5 cm. This resulted in differences in weight distribution on both sides of the ship.
>On August 10, 1628, Vasa, under the command of Captain Söfring Hansson, set off on its first trial voyage from the port of Stockholm, watched from the shore by crowds of people. Still within the port, after setting the sails and getting out from behind the shelter of the coastal rocks, under the influence of a gust of wind, the ship tilted strongly to the left side. After taking in water through the open gun ports, the ship capsized and sank, taking with it approximately 30 to 50 sailors. The ship only sailed about a mile. The flat bottom, shallow draft, the huge advantage of the above-water part over the underwater part, insufficient stone ballast and, in addition, heavy guns gathered on the upper decks meant that the unit could barely keep its balance on the water even without sails.
>The commission convened later did not blame anyone for the disaster. Alleged Polish agents were then accused of sabotage by intentionally changing the ship's design data.
Source?
I went to the museum it was pretty cool
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm#Demographics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_%28ship%29
Why? Most of our "workers" are effectively just pretending.
You could scrap 70% of all jobs and end up no worse apatt from having then-officisl 70% unemployment.
But that hurts the ego of "hardworking" wagies so we are content to keep wasting resources to let them have their illusion of being useful.
I spent a day running errands with my brother during the chinkflu lockdown. His job went remote but honestly he didn't do much. He had a zoom meeting going while driving but was muted, we walked around the hardware store and got food during another meeting, he sent a couple of emails out in a parking lot then we went to another shop. Then he talked about how nice it was to work from home but got boring but all he did really was go to the store or watch tv. I'm convinced the majority of office jobs can be done in 30 minutes a day but they stretch it into 8 hour blocks because NPCs need busy work and structure otherwise they'll kill themselves.
No it isn't. The quality of people were just better.
You know these old paintings make the ships look better than thy actually were. Imagine trying to promote or sell a car and getting a painter for the advert. I bet it didn't look this good in person.
They have the ship.
and it looks like shit
It was underwater for centuries.
So was the Yamato and it still held together well enough to go into space and defeat the Garmillas
Lol, what do you expect after it's been sitting at the bottom of the sea for more than 300 years.
Maid yourself
Hurts to look at that thinking about all the women, the real victims. Good that the museum pushes that message to make people aware.
Well it sank in port right after taking off on the maiden voyage, so there's your advertising. Anyway the ship is preserved and is in a museum in Stockholm so anyone can go see it for themselves.
So you made an entire thread bragging about your country when in reality it was so shit it never even functioned. Impressive.
Nah I'm not bragging. Even though some other countries and cities might have had a bigger population there's probably a similar situation for other places.
I was just busting your balls Sven, bra helg.
I went to see it, it was pretty cool but it is interesting how swedes are so proud of a ship that sunk in port
The word you're looking for is "sank".
wow, you're fucking retarded
Does somebody have to keep reminding you to breath?
Why? Warships were VITAL to coastal defense. Without them they would be conquered from the sea with ease. A fine warship or two would make potential invaders think twice. Only takes a work force of a few hundred men to build one, and a few dozen to man it.
wondered why swden is ~~*neutral*~~ unless you're blond, if you are blond you deserve be crucified hence your flag is yellow cross...
What else were they going to do? Interracial cuck porn hadn't been invented yet.
Well yeah when a monarch backs a project with the royal treasury then shit can get fast tracked and done in a relatively short time too, no bureaucracy either
also they could just offer decent money and hire or force a bunch of people to do the labor, doesn't take much to follow shipbuilder orders
thats really cool. wish i were born in that kind of society
>The ship was also built asymmetrically because the teams building it used different units of measurement. The Amsterdam foot and the Swedish foot were used, differing by more than 1.5 cm. This resulted in differences in weight distribution on both sides of the ship.
>On August 10, 1628, Vasa, under the command of Captain Söfring Hansson, set off on its first trial voyage from the port of Stockholm, watched from the shore by crowds of people. Still within the port, after setting the sails and getting out from behind the shelter of the coastal rocks, under the influence of a gust of wind, the ship tilted strongly to the left side. After taking in water through the open gun ports, the ship capsized and sank, taking with it approximately 30 to 50 sailors. The ship only sailed about a mile. The flat bottom, shallow draft, the huge advantage of the above-water part over the underwater part, insufficient stone ballast and, in addition, heavy guns gathered on the upper decks meant that the unit could barely keep its balance on the water even without sails.
>The commission convened later did not blame anyone for the disaster. Alleged Polish agents were then accused of sabotage by intentionally changing the ship's design data.
> Alleged Polish agents were then accused of sabotage by intentionally changing the ship's design data.
Kinda sounds like cope for their own fuckup
Ahhh, so it was a euro diversity and inclusion build.
>The commission convened later did not blame anyone for the disaster.
Some things never change.
Free white nations have been traveling the world by ship for 1000s of years. We were the original Phoenicians and a settlement of 100 people could build a sophisticated sea fairing ship
Why? 16,000 people is still a lot of people. They had the money to hire the people to build it and having a navy was important for all states.
I want to go back to amsterdam to the nautical museum.
it was a pan-European effort, the ship architect was Henrik Hybertsson who was Dutch. they based the design on French ships. it was built in 1627 in the midst of the Thirty Years War when they were all allies against Spain and Austria. Clas Larsson Fleming the head of the Swedish Navy used to sail to New Sweden in Delaware to get supplies.
its takes about 100 people to built a ship so whats the fukken big deal homosexual
I went to Mexico a few years back and thought the same thing. They had this whole village and thought the population of it was around 3k. Insane to me that they built so much with so little.
It was 50k that lived there and they used slaves to build their city.
How could they do that to those poor african-americans
I think about that often
>It's weird that Sweden built this ship at a time when the population of Stockholm was just 16,000.
What did it do that would make it seem like a ship built in a much larger city ? How did Stockholm demonstrate to the world superior and advanced engineering ability ?
They're Western Europeans. Your point?
doesn't take 16,000 people to build a ship bro
Disconcerting image. Pants legs need to go all the way down
Seriously? Ships ain't nothing compared to some high tech stuff.
whats wrong with Sweden building a ship? Why are you so against Swedes having fun? Are you a bigot? Do you hate Swedes?
No, its wierd that we still kicked your ass more than half the time in naval battle
Danes were far more of a maritime nation than Sweden ever was. Makes sense honesty. Open ocean, endless raiding and holdings in England and france
On even terrain Swedes would get the best of Danes more often than not. Its all good tho
I agree, we were always better than you
Easy, boy. Sweden still win overall, if you look at achievements. Stay in your lane (which means eating tainted pork and drinking copious amounts of beer), and be happy
I will, Meanwhile you enjoy multiculturalism, lets check back in 10 years and see who comes out ahead.
its because 95% of people didnt live in cities back then. The overall population of sweden in the 1600s was almost 1 million.
And it immediately tipped over and sunk.
Ugh... imagine all the ships they would've built if Stockholm was enriched with a couple of millions of African and Middle Eastern immigrants...
>Sweden built this ship
How come the sweden never became a major sea going colonial power? Didn't you have viking history to draw from? Why let the British Spanish and French have the world?
Sweden tried to become top dog (great power) for a long while, and dominate its environs.
A couple of problems arose- mostly the low population, but also the existence of more well established great powers like Russia that couldn't be beaten easily.
Going outside the kiddy pond of the Baltic Sea means owning the exit of denmark. It also means you are vulnerable to raiding from other places in the Baltic. Ergo conquering the entirety of the coast becomes #1 priority.
It was tried
sweden had to hire foreigners to do it
and spend all the money king had
>just 16,000
how many thousands of people does it take to build a ship? stupid fuck.
That ship sank 200m from the harbour, google Wasa ship sank
swedes stole the technology from africans
YO YO naggerS
SWEDE WUZ KANGZ
Is that the one that capsized immediately after leaving port?
yep
do you know how cold it is in sweden?
it's so cold they built that ship as fast as you ever saw
Stockholm is a Russian invention cause we raped your capital so hard you had to built a new one