It's over. USB-c won. Laptops will have to comply with the rule at a later date.

It's over. USB-c won.

How will Applefags cope with the loss of their beloved lightning port?

>European Union lawmakers have reached an agreement on legislation that will force all future smartphones sold in the EU — including Apple’s iPhone — be equipped with the universal USB-C port for wired charging by fall 2024. The rule will also apply to other electronic devices including tablets, digital cameras, headphones, handheld video game consoles, and e-readers. Laptops will have to comply with the rule at a later date.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is gonna look really stupid in 5+ years when we have a replacement for USB-C

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why would the connector shape change again so soon? Literally what technological development would necessitate a redesign?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's enforcing a standard, in the past laptops, phones and anything and everything had different charging ports. now everything will have one.

        my laptop is capable of being charged over usb c, even my head-shaver is usb c charged.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Okay but that has nothing to do with my post or the post I was replying to. Do you even know what thread you are in right now?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            standards change all the time. might be wireless charging that gets enforced next.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can't forsee the future, but there is historical precedence for enforced uniformity stifling innovation.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Redditor

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >yes mommy eu, please press your boot into my face harder!
            It’s USB-C forever, retard. They’re going to pick a winner for wireless charging as well. Innovation will not be allowed.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

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              This.

              Euros pass this law because their central planners are concerned that they are /notech/, behind both the USA and most of Asia. They are /notech/ because they fail to innovate. They fail to innovate because they keep falling for the central planning meme.

              Not really my problem, because I don't live there. Funny to watch nonetheless.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

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              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The EU denies a lot of stuff.
                The amount of regulation is retarded, and no european citizen can vote against it. Europeans don't even elect the president. Hopefully it will be a benevolent dictatorship, but it will be a dictatorship.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not a dictatorship, it's something much worse.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                European Elections while not direct, are some of the most democratic in the world. Especially more democratic than in the US, where the candidate with the popular vote literally doesn't even win because 5 people in Texas equal 5 million in California

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                >every EU state individually has majority vote
                >every US state individually has majority vote

                >EU president is chosen purely by council and parliament
                >US president is chosen by states where states pass the vote to citizens

                >EU is more democratic
                objectively incorrect

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >EU president is chosen purely by council and parliament
                And? Who do you think the council and parliament is chosen by?

                > US president is chosen by states where states pass the vote to citizens
                Wrong. The US president is chosen by Israel. Alternatively, by the gerrymandering of districts, availability of voting booths, racist zoning legislation and electoral college votes per population density in a particular state. Hillary won the popular vote.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                >people vote for representatives who make the decisions
                republic
                >people vote for decisions
                democracy

                >EU gives citizens no choice of president
                >US gives citizens choice of president
                which is more democratic

                >cut-from-NYT-print-edition-pages talking points
                nice trolling now go leave

              • 4 weeks ago
                solarfair00;;;;5006

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                >because 5 people in Texas equal 5 million in California
                I'm hoping you're not an American because you fucked up how the electoral college works.

                >EU president is chosen purely by council and parliament
                And? Who do you think the council and parliament is chosen by?

                > US president is chosen by states where states pass the vote to citizens
                Wrong. The US president is chosen by Israel. Alternatively, by the gerrymandering of districts, availability of voting booths, racist zoning legislation and electoral college votes per population density in a particular state. Hillary won the popular vote.

                >Hillary won the popular vote.
                If by "popular vote" you mean the 70% unelected "superdelegates" vote in the primary then sure.

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                Corrected

                What's the point of having "freedom from oppression by X and Y" when it just triples the oppression by W and Z in its stead?

                You can't even define how bottom-left works. Libertarians have an actual theory of law while bottom-left just pretend that they are different from top-left because they like gays lmao

                >Libertarians have an actual theory of law
                No they don't. "The first person to piss on a piece of land becomes owner neener neener" is not a theory of law. Neither is "we have no fucking idea how roads or rivers would work but if we copy the exact current system but call it a '''private''' court I'm sure it will be much better for some reason".

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why would new ports be developed if they have to first appeal to the government to use them in a device? How many years would that approval take?

                >physical port "innovation"
                there's little to innovate and they usually have a life of 20+ years

                >there's little to innovate and they usually have a life of 20+ years
                And they’re usually superseded in the market long before that. It took less than fifteen years for USB to go from mini, to micro, to C. That innovation stops now.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It took less than fifteen years for USB to go from mini, to micro, to C. That innovation stops now.
                There was no innovation it was simply the same port becoming smaller to match devices. So unless you think phones will become even thinner we're stuck with USB-C. How often have you seen Mini-A or Micro-A? I've never seen one irl in my life.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Innovation" is only meaningful if it's actually better than the current solutions. USB-C is better than all of these.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How so?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                more pins and reversable... cmon

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not even going to point out the obvious speed improvements? how about the fact that you dont need a separate power brick or connection to charge through the type c connector?

                How can you even with a straight face say that type a is even somewhat similar to type c? thats like comparing a model a to a c7 corvette. Its not even in the same universe.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A classic power grab from Euros. They haven't contributed anything meaningful to Tech in decades besides dumb regulations.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >physical port "innovation"
              there's little to innovate and they usually have a life of 20+ years

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're a retarded n-word + the standard allows for updating it as tech evolves.
              It's so that chink n-word manufacturers stop selling Mini and Micro USB crap and fat USB crap.
              It's 2024, keep your jurassic tech where it belongs.
              There is NO reason not to mandate USB-C, and I say this as someone with very few USB-C devices.

              I'm sure the panacea of connectors was gonna be released in 2025 right as the regulation goes in effect and it kills literally all human innovation ever.
              Retard.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Based.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's so that chink n-word manufacturers stop selling Mini and Micro USB crap and fat USB crap.

                >€20 'handheld console' for children is now €30 because they can't use microusb

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >shitty manufactured e waste piece of shit handheld is gonna be 10 yuro more
                cry about it you fucking retard n-word. also chinks WILL sell it for the same amount, their shitty assembly lines WILL adapt

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >their shitty assembly lines WILL adapt
                You mean they'll just enslave more Uyghurs and feed them less

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >"You guys need to use the same charger, stop making ewaste"
              >OMG THIS IS LITERALLY 1984 WITH UNPRECIDENTED UNFORSEEN CONSEQUENCES OF INCREDIBLE PROPORTIONS!!!11!!!1
              dude, shut the fuck up already.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This. Greasy burgers want to drown in a landfill of chargers so that the top 1% can have slightly faster chargers while the rest of the population works at recycling centers to recycle Lightning 2.0 chargers into ze bugs while Eurochads ensure a clean and safe future for us all.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                delusional

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Example?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        USB-C isn't quite as thin as a lightning port, so there could be some incentive there to miniaturize more.
        Not that this is a problem.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Portless waterproof wearables/phones/mobile. That's already a design goal and mandating ports fucks it to the detriment of you. Sealed medical devices that, due to other stupid rules, are regulated like consumer electronics. I'm think especially hearing aids. Small unprotected data devices that fry when your retarded gurlfriend plugs in her 100W charger to the data port. A purely removable battery-powered phone. A solar powered phone.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This legislation doesn't apply to devices which charge purely wirelessly. You won't have to add USB-c to your portless wearable

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Portless waterproof wearables/phones/mobile.
          sounds like a really small niche

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

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            >it's a small niche so let's use violence do force what we want

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >lolbert
              kys

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >being a proud bootlicker

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The strongest argument for state regulation is a five minute conversation with the average American "libertarian".

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                I'm not american, kys dumb homosexual

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                Corrected

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                that is probably the most delusional ass-backwards pol compass i've ever seen, holy shit. nice work retard.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can't even define how bottom-left works. Libertarians have an actual theory of law while bottom-left just pretend that they are different from top-left because they like gays lmao

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bottom left is literally Anarchism. It's been around since the 1800s with plenty of literature.

                Bottom right is a contradiction in terms, since no liberty can be had under capitalism where corporations will just become the new government, except worse. Ancaps are literally a fake ideology because to anyone with 2 brain cells it's clear it would end up as the worst autocratic monarchy the world has ever seen, while Left-Libertarianism actually has some potential at improving life.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bottom left is literally Anarchism. It's been around since the 1800s with plenty of literature.
                Explain how it works. You can't, because it's all meme shit.

                >Bottom right is a contradiction in terms, since no liberty can be had under capitalism
                The only countries with high degree of freedom are capitalistic countries.

                >where corporations will just become the new government, except worse
                That's your shitty understanding of libertarianism, sorry.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Explain how it works. You can't, because it's all meme shit.

                Yes I can.

                Anarchism is in fact, an inherently leftist ideology, because to sustain an anarchist society, not only must power be taken by the people, i.e. means of production transferred and redistributed to the actual labourers who produce, but it must be kept by the people, and thus the only way to do that without a government to protect is to have a society based on mutual aid rather than individualist profiteering. Everyone relies on someone else to do things they can't (doctors, etc), and so everyone needs to cooperate. The only power in Anarchism is the binding force of Solidarity towards your fellow humans and your reliance on their aid in return.

                It is also inherently a socially progressive ideology, due to being libertarian, because the abolition of government also means there is an abolition of the conservative desire to dictate how people live their lives (e.g. Abortion bans, gay marriage bans etc). Attempts at involuntary social cohesion and any sort of "social order" and hierarchies of status in society all go out of the window.

                That's why Right-Wing Anarchists aren't really Anarchists at all, maybe they really believe they are, but it doesn't take too complex a thought experiment to see that their utopia will quickly become a corporate autocracy with corporations standing in for government, private police forces, etc. They often complain that Twitter bans conservatives, but in the libertarian right wing utopia, Twitter would likely just take you out back to get shot if you went against the company line, and because your hometown has been strip-mined by Jeff Bezos, who now lives on Mars, you have no resources to start a competing alternative, and if you try, you'll get taken out back by the Twitter private police force. It is simply cheaper to shoot your competitors than to innovate to compete with them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                (cont)

                Under so-called right-wing "Anarchism" the "market" of monopolies and corporate industry associations will be the government, and they will make regulations all the same, just as companies lobby for regulations today, Anarcho-Capitalism just removes that extra step and corporations use their money and resources to enforce them all the same, just like today, except instead of armies of lawyers in courts, it will be actual armies, turning into a true 1984-esque dictatorship, which isn't very libertarian at all.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                (cont)
                Even if a great reset-esque transfer of power is done, without solidarity and mutual aid to guide a society, natural advantages and sheer luck will eventually build up sufficiently to create massive imbalance of power, much like it did between Europe and the Global South in the Colonial Era. This is why right-wing Anarchism is a contradiction in terms, but Left-Wing anarchism works.

                Because of this, Auth-Right are the overwhelming majority of Right-Wingers, especially those who vote on social issues and most who identify as Libertarians actively support Auth-Right candidates such as Donald Trump, and it makes sense, to regulate society, you need a government, and you need to regulate society in order to preserve a conservative status (e.g. traditional gender roles, nuclear family, etc), and to do this, you inevitably need to regulate the market as well, if you want to ban gay marriage, then you're regulating the market of who can and cannot sell wedding services to, treading on wedding service companies, if you're regulating abortions, then you're regulating for-profit abortion clinics, treading on them, if you're regulating what women can and can't do, or what their primary role in society should be seen as, then you're treading on them too.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                (cont)
                For further reading:

                There are Anarchist foundational texts, like "Mutual Aid - A Factor in Evolution" and "The Conquest of Bread" Books by Peter Kropotkin which are personally my favourites and ones I rely on most when it comes to discerning principles and a working model, however there are some more modern Anarchist authors like David Graeber, famous for his association with the Occupy Wall Street movement, he wrote "The Democracy Project".

                For examples about real life Anarchism: George Orwell wrote in "Homage to Catalonia" about C.N.T./F.A.I.'s society and it's a good observational piece on a libertarian socialist society in action. Bookchin wrote about Spain's Anarchists in "The Spanish Anarchists: The Heroic Years, 1868–1936". For an anarcho-feminist perspective, "Anarchism and Other Essays. " by Emma Goldman might be worth a look.

                For a more theoretical piece: Bookchin also envisioned Anarchism as a Post-Scarcity order of things in "Post-Scarcity Anarchism".

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                (cont)

                Under so-called right-wing "Anarchism" the "market" of monopolies and corporate industry associations will be the government, and they will make regulations all the same, just as companies lobby for regulations today, Anarcho-Capitalism just removes that extra step and corporations use their money and resources to enforce them all the same, just like today, except instead of armies of lawyers in courts, it will be actual armies, turning into a true 1984-esque dictatorship, which isn't very libertarian at all.

                (cont)
                Even if a great reset-esque transfer of power is done, without solidarity and mutual aid to guide a society, natural advantages and sheer luck will eventually build up sufficiently to create massive imbalance of power, much like it did between Europe and the Global South in the Colonial Era. This is why right-wing Anarchism is a contradiction in terms, but Left-Wing anarchism works.

                Because of this, Auth-Right are the overwhelming majority of Right-Wingers, especially those who vote on social issues and most who identify as Libertarians actively support Auth-Right candidates such as Donald Trump, and it makes sense, to regulate society, you need a government, and you need to regulate society in order to preserve a conservative status (e.g. traditional gender roles, nuclear family, etc), and to do this, you inevitably need to regulate the market as well, if you want to ban gay marriage, then you're regulating the market of who can and cannot sell wedding services to, treading on wedding service companies, if you're regulating abortions, then you're regulating for-profit abortion clinics, treading on them, if you're regulating what women can and can't do, or what their primary role in society should be seen as, then you're treading on them too.

                >Anarchism is in fact, an inherently leftist ideology
                Nobody cares, stop obsessing over labels.

                You didn't explain how it works. What powers/incentives are there, to make sure that people don't just go back to using money and doing voluntary exchange of things and services. What happens when somebody doesn't want to share for free he goods that he worked hard to produce?

                Then you went into an obsessed rant over Right-Winger boogeyman which is just retarded.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody cares, stop obsessing over labels.
                You seemed to care, so much so you asked me to explain.
                >You didn't explain how it works.
                But I did explain, right in the first post dummy:
                From

                >Explain how it works. You can't, because it's all meme shit.

                Yes I can.

                Anarchism is in fact, an inherently leftist ideology, because to sustain an anarchist society, not only must power be taken by the people, i.e. means of production transferred and redistributed to the actual labourers who produce, but it must be kept by the people, and thus the only way to do that without a government to protect is to have a society based on mutual aid rather than individualist profiteering. Everyone relies on someone else to do things they can't (doctors, etc), and so everyone needs to cooperate. The only power in Anarchism is the binding force of Solidarity towards your fellow humans and your reliance on their aid in return.

                It is also inherently a socially progressive ideology, due to being libertarian, because the abolition of government also means there is an abolition of the conservative desire to dictate how people live their lives (e.g. Abortion bans, gay marriage bans etc). Attempts at involuntary social cohesion and any sort of "social order" and hierarchies of status in society all go out of the window.

                That's why Right-Wing Anarchists aren't really Anarchists at all, maybe they really believe they are, but it doesn't take too complex a thought experiment to see that their utopia will quickly become a corporate autocracy with corporations standing in for government, private police forces, etc. They often complain that Twitter bans conservatives, but in the libertarian right wing utopia, Twitter would likely just take you out back to get shot if you went against the company line, and because your hometown has been strip-mined by Jeff Bezos, who now lives on Mars, you have no resources to start a competing alternative, and if you try, you'll get taken out back by the Twitter private police force. It is simply cheaper to shoot your competitors than to innovate to compete with them.

                > Everyone relies on someone else to do things they can't (doctors, etc), and so everyone needs to cooperate. The only power in Anarchism is the binding force of Solidarity towards your fellow humans and your reliance on their aid in return.

                >to make sure that people don't just go back to using money and doing voluntary exchange of things
                Money isn't off the table as far as Anarchism goes. At the end of the day, it's just more efficient than barter when it comes to consumer goods (as opposed to, necessary services, like housing, water, food, medicine, etc). Democratized trade unions and councils can step in as arbitration parties in trade disputes and also investigate if a trading entity is producing it's goods and services in an unethical manner, at which point they are, in plain terms, told to fuck off somewhere else.

                >What happens when somebody doesn't want to share for free he goods that he worked hard to produce?
                Then the things he relies on are also not given to him. If he wants to be a social recluse and be totally independent that's up to him, best of luck really, but if you want to participate in society, you gotta play nice, or no medicine for you.

                >America is auth-right. About the only freedom is the freedom to get shot by a crazed incel or hick. If that's your definition of freedom, then thanks no thanks. Most people would agree, hence why no one is pushing to make Europe more like the US.
                If you like government locking you in your house because it knows you're weak and powerless against it then yeah, we have a different idea about freedom.

                >Oh do enlighten me, how have I misunderstood right-wing """libertarianism"""?
                First tell me what have you read about libertarianism, my obsessed friend.

                >If you like government locking you in your house because it knows you're weak and powerless against it then yeah, we have a different idea about freedom.
                I'm not even sure what this strawman is in reference to? China during the pandemic I'm guessing? China is arguably auth-right since state capitalism is more of a feature of fascism than communism even.

                >First tell me what have you read about libertarianism, my obsessed friend.

                You're the one who keeps replying, m'lady
                I've skimmed through For a New Liberty, but the inherent contradictions made it impossible to take seriously.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Everyone relies on someone else to do things they can't (doctors, etc), and so everyone needs to cooperate.
                So free markets.

                >The only power in Anarchism is the binding force of Solidarity towards your fellow humans and your reliance on their aid in return.
                What happens when your fellow human does not show enough Soldarity? Who decides that?

                >Money isn't off the table as far as Anarchism goes. At the end of the day, it's just more efficient than barter when it comes to consumer goods (as opposed to, necessary services, like housing, water, food, medicine, etc). Democratized trade unions and councils can step in as arbitration parties in trade disputes and also investigate if a trading entity is producing it's goods and services in an unethical manner, at which point they are, in plain terms, told to fuck off somewhere else.
                So voluntary agreements between consenting parties.

                >Then the things he relies on are also not given to him. If he wants to be a social recluse and be totally independent that's up to him, best of luck really, but if you want to participate in society, you gotta play nice, or no medicine for you.
                He doesn't want to be a social recluse, he just doesn't want to give anything to that annoying guy that demands free stuff from him. Is he going to be punished for that?

                >I'm not even sure what this strawman is in reference to?
                China is not the only country that locked down it's citizens. New Zealand, Australia, Netherlands. There are many examples.

                >You're the one who keeps replying, m'lady
                I can stop if you want.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So free markets.
                No, not free markets. Free markets incentivize individual wealth accumulation to the exclusion of all else, not cooperation. The guiding principle is mutual aid and collectivism. The kind of communism that Marx said would happen post-state, sans any planned economy.

                >What happens when your fellow human does not show enough Soldarity?
                They do not get it in return.

                >Who decides that?
                The people. Through small, directly democratic unions or councils or other forms of community governance that are appropriate for the community.

                >So voluntary agreements between consenting parties.
                For consumer goods, yes. For things necessary to keep society going, it's more like a voluntary agreement between individual and commune/society.

                >He doesn't want to be a social recluse, he just doesn't want to give anything to that annoying guy that demands free stuff from him. Is he going to be punished for that?

                He won't get anything from that annoying guy either or the commune at large. It's effectively a choice between participating in society and not. If it's consoomer goods then it's more about between individual parties.

                >China is not the only country that locked down it's citizens. New Zealand, Australia, Netherlands. There are many examples.

                I think my certified left-libertarian answer to the covid pandemic is that communities must democratically decide themselves, in a directly represented fashion whether they want to lockdown or not, and those who do not wish to go with what the community decided, can reject the social contract and try it out on their own, or in a different commune. But this issue is difficult tbh.

                On principle, I'm totally down with what I just said, but I'm not sure how many non-libertarian people would follow such a freeform look at things and whether they would just say a government telling everyone what to do would be more efficient.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So far you're giving ancap answers.

                Having communities that people can enter voluntarily and quit at and moment is ancap.
                Those communities having idiosyncratic methods of governance is ancap.
                Some of those communes will have free markets. They will probably be the most prosperous communes and rest of the communes will just seethe since their shitty barter economy is not efficient enough, kek.

                Are you against NAP?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >at and moment
                at any moment

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So far you're giving ancap answers.
                Because most ancap stuff is just anarchist stuff

                >Having communities that people can enter voluntarily and quit at and moment is ancap.
                Because that's a libertarian principle in general. Left does not equal government. Only authoritarians want states and prisons.

                >Some of those communes will have free markets. They will probably be the most prosperous communes and rest of the communes will just seethe since their shitty barter economy is not efficient enough, kek.

                But only if it's actually about mutual aid though. This is the diverging point. If you're accumulating personal wealth at someone else's expense, aka capitalism aka exploitation, then nobody will want anything to do with you, since you're no longer cooperating and aiding society as a whole, thus you get no reciprocation.

                >Are you against NAP?
                The basics of NAP are already part of anarchism, in fact it goes a step further where harm is also considered shitty (e.g. don't pollute and dump industrial waste on other communes to make more iPhones)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But only if it's actually about mutual aid though
                Any voluntary exchange is about mutual aid, because if it wasn't, one of the parties wouldn't agree to it.

                >This is the diverging point. If you're accumulating personal wealth at someone else's expense, aka capitalism aka exploitation, then nobody will want anything to do with you, since you're no longer cooperating and aiding society as a whole, thus you get no reciprocation.
                If you don't like the business owner for whatever reason you can shame him, boycott his production, etc. All of this is ancap.

                >(e.g. don't pollute and dump industrial waste on other communes to make more iPhones)
                Dumping industrial waste on someone else's property is an act of aggression.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                hottest of garbage takes. The only reason anyone has anything to strive for in capitalistic society's is because they have a top and a bottom.

                Communism literally degrades into anarchist capitalistic societies because someone wants to be the top alpha dog that owns everything and is willing to kill you and your family to get to the top of the heap of shit. Hippy shit needs to finally die completely.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The only countries with high degree of freedom are capitalistic countries.
                America is auth-right. About the only freedom is the freedom to get shot by a crazed incel or hick. If that's your definition of freedom, then thanks no thanks. Most people would agree, hence why no one is pushing to make Europe more like the US.

                >That's your shitty understanding of libertarianism, sorry.

                Oh do enlighten me, how have I misunderstood right-wing """libertarianism"""?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >America is auth-right. About the only freedom is the freedom to get shot by a crazed incel or hick. If that's your definition of freedom, then thanks no thanks. Most people would agree, hence why no one is pushing to make Europe more like the US.
                If you like government locking you in your house because it knows you're weak and powerless against it then yeah, we have a different idea about freedom.

                >Oh do enlighten me, how have I misunderstood right-wing """libertarianism"""?
                First tell me what have you read about libertarianism, my obsessed friend.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >About the only freedom is the freedom to get shot by a crazed incel or hick
                tell me more about your retarded views you alleged lefty

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                left lib are anarchists not anything you wrote there, filthy garden gnome

                also all the right is based, fuck your feelings, kneel before God and beg for forgiveness

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Portless waterproof wearables/phones/mobile.
          the galaxy s9+ is waterproof and it has charging, speakers, headphone jack and microphone holes. you can dive in seawater and record video with it
          >when your retarded gurlfriend plugs in her 100W charger to the data port
          how is that related to the USB C port? also you know that chargers only supply the power that is requested by the device right?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Small unprotected devices will fry when you plug a 100w charger in to them
          Anon, that isn't how PD works. I charge my Bluetooth receiver off an 87w PD charger, devices get 5v initially and have to specifically signal for the charger to increase the voltage.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Now that eufags made it a bureaucratic mess to make better ports, there won't be a redesign

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      USB-c has a lot of room to grow. Hardly any devices get anywhere near hitting the data transfer speeds or power charging rates that it allows.

      And if we do get to that point, the standard can be updated.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Hardly any devices get anywhere near hitting the data transfer speeds or power charging rates that it allows.
        Literally any workstation or gaymur laptop, even ones with low end dGPUs, draw more power than USB-C PD allows. PD3.1 will increase it to 240W but there are still plenty of laptops that draw more under load. It's far from a universal solution. Plus it'll need to be certified, so there will probably be new receptacles and cables, even if the interface itself stays the same.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why the fuck would you ever power a workstation with a USB?
          Latops could be cool over USB, but nobody expects USB or desktop/workstations to be powered by USB, only phones.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you retarded? USB PD 3 over USB-C was literally designed for laptops. And PD 3.1 is so you can dock your work laptop and power it all with one cable using PD passthrough from a dock.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >stupid in 5+ years when we have a replacement for USB-C
      USB-C will have more longitivity than micro usb b

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good thing they made it so that they can change the required standard

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      USB is a backward-compatible standard, that's the whole point.

      It seems to me that the standard is moving towards proprietary and gay wireless charging and data transfer - SD cards slots aren't going make it - so having one last wired connection is a blessing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >proprietary and gay wireless charging and data transfer
        My Nokia 920 that came out wheneverthefuck years ago had a Qi charger that is totally open and still to this day charges my iPhone 12PM. The wired chargers of that day were mini/micro USB, which has been depricated TWICE since then and have no use anymore. It is WIRED charging standards that are proprietary, full of problems, and quickly turn to junk.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This is gonna look really stupid in 5+ years when we have a replacement for USB-C
      Usb is almost 3 decades old you stupid retarded zoomer the end plugs and cable haven't really changed at all just shape

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB
          >Designed
          > January 1996; 26 years ago
          >Produced
          > Since May 1996[1]
          Here you go stupid spoonfeed homosexual

          USB is a backward-compatible standard, that's the whole point.

          It seems to me that the standard is moving towards proprietary and gay wireless charging and data transfer - SD cards slots aren't going make it - so having one last wired connection is a blessing.

          Yeah wireless chargers not being intercompatible is gay. Wait all new fag cars have universal wireless chargers tho

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah the EU parliament should have simply mandated every electronic device to have a USB 1.0 slot in 1996. we'd have already colonized mars

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Unless their hiding 7ft Amazon Ayylmaos up there that need son's and husbands idc

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why would that stop USB from innovating?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >mandate every device capable of data transfer to have a USB 1.0 slot
                >wtf how would that stop innovation??

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                For real, how would that stop innovation?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >develop first phone capable of data transfer
                >ought to have a giant USB 1.0 slot on it
                >yeah well let's spend resources on researching a better slot next to it for aesthetic purposes

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That did not answer the question. How would having a USB 1.0 slot for backwards compatibility prevent innovation?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're so fucking retarded holy shit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You need to accept that writing some random horseshit with a > in front doesn't necessarily prove your point, the conclusion still needs to logically follow from your premise.

                Or does "retarded" to you mean "anyone who doesn't accept the implications of my greentext at face value"?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The USB Implementers Forum doesn't make phones you fucking retard.

                Now answer the question

                sorry i expect the audience of my comments to be >80 IQ non-commie retards. just ignore it

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                I'm a capitalist and a iPhone user.

                You still have not shown how the new legislation will prevent the USB Implementers Forum from innovating

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it will greatly reduce incentives for companies experimenting with new type of slot / new data transfer or charging mechanisms since they will need to have the USB-C slot in their device regardless, it will not provide a competitive advantage in the market to have a better slot or remove the need for plugs altogether.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >oh no, we have to put usb c in our laptop
                >but in the history of laptops, all of them only ever had a single type of port
                >we can’t possibly make a device with more than one type of port

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                however, if companies cannot come up with competitive alternatives, it will reduce the pressure on commie committees from staying up do date with their standards as well

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > it will greatly reduce incentives for companies experimenting with new type of slot / new data transfer or charging mechanisms

                I didn't ask about other companies.
                I literally do not care about them.
                Answer my question

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                however, if companies cannot come up with competitive alternatives, it will reduce the pressure on commie committees from staying up do date with their standards as well

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                however, if companies cannot come up with competitive alternatives, it will reduce the pressure on commie committees from staying up do date with their standards as well

                The committee will innovate regardless. It is made up of a group of engineers from pretty much every major hardware design and manufacturing company. You think they're going to care if mobile devices need USBC in Europe? They design for every type of device, and they don't have any financial incentive to not innovate

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                committees normally just standardize existing solutions, innovations vastly come from players in the market.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and i literally don't care about committees you are the only one who ever brought them up

                >How will IEEE be able to make a new IP standard if everyone uses ipv4?? Fucking commies!
                Retards

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah we should ban everyone from using or experimenting with anything other than ipv4

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's not what the new eu regulation does at all. Why do you insist the forum will stop innovating because of regulations about mobile devices having to INCLUDE something?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nobody. NOBODY except you ever mentioned the forum. this legislation will deincenvitivze companies from innovating mechanisms that replace the need for USB or any kind of connectors altogether. that's all it does. anything else you say is something your pea sized brain is projecting because it doesn't have the reading comprehension sufficient to understand the comments in this thread.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > this legislation will deincenvitivze companies from innovating

                Wrong. Mobile devices aren't the only thing that exists. Europe isn't the only market you can sell to. And also, the companies that are ALREADY INNOVATING are also ALREADY part of the USB Forum, this this doesn't hinder them at all

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that doesn't matter if they're part of some forum. nobody can tell for certainity whether an innovation is actually good or not until it has been tested in the markets. there are plenty of innovations that looked good on paper and failed hard in real life, and vica-versa. not letting companies publish innovative products harms innovation severely.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah dude, people use Mac proprietary connectors cuz that's what they love. It's totally not because they have no other choice for using iOS

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                retard apple sheep deserves to pay for that or they can just choose to migrate to a more open ecosystem. it's ridicolous to make a legislation that might hinder innovation severly just to protect the userbase of an abusive company whose products they're too fucking stupid to part from

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and rest assured they will find a new way to abuse them and keep their 'apple tax' at max rates

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and i literally don't care about committees you are the only one who ever brought them up

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You still have not shown how the new legislation will prevent the USB Implementers Forum from innovating
                because you are the only retard in this thread who ever said that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The USB Implementers Forum doesn't make phones you fucking retard.

                Now answer the question

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You do know it's completely normal for mandated standards to be rewritten as updates are made, right?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that doesn't matter if they're part of some forum. nobody can tell for certainity whether an innovation is actually good or not until it has been tested in the markets. there are plenty of innovations that looked good on paper and failed hard in real life, and vica-versa. not letting companies publish innovative products harms innovation severely.

                it will greatly reduce incentives for companies experimenting with new type of slot / new data transfer or charging mechanisms since they will need to have the USB-C slot in their device regardless, it will not provide a competitive advantage in the market to have a better slot or remove the need for plugs altogether.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                By your logic, lightning exists because it was better than micro USB B, which it wasn't.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no, but wikipedia exists because jimmy wales was allowed to experiment with a product in practice no encyclopedia publisher believed could ever work.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and if they had a committee to stop him, it'd have never got through that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no encyclopedia publisher believed could ever work
                [citation needed]
                They probably would prefer to avoid it since it makes their business mostly obsolete.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he said it in some interview. nobody he talked to encouraged him or believed that a system like that can work out until it did. but im not gonna look it up it was a long while ago

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                but how do you legally experiment and innovate with a new slot design if you cant actually sell it

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they don't sell R&D prototypes to consumers

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the only thing that’s changed is the shape
        Even I go that were true, now they’ve mandated the shape of the connector.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the only thing that’s changed is the shape
          >Even I go that were true, now they’ve mandated the shape of the connector.
          Good why motherboards only have one or two ports on the rear io and maybe one for the front via one header is fucking aids I should not have to use my gpus usbc or pcie addin cards for that shit. Worse still you can't send dp alt through any headers on your gpu on pc if you don't have a igpu it's a cluster fuck

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Can you really improve on it? I guess a barrel would be better for durability, but that causes trouble for thin devices.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It won't, we already know the next standards in the works for 10+ years. It's all just USB-C, just faster and with more features and power delivery.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don`t have to guess, you need more

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      USB C can deliver 240W of power and 40gbps of data you'll never need another port on a phone. Theoretically USB C could support more data. The problem isn't the connector at this point, it's the cable.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      There, have your (You), fucking mongoloid

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >USB-C replacement
      can't we iterate over the port and cable performance instead?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No thanks. We could use usb-c for at least another 50 years before it will matter.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I WANT TO CONSOOM NEXT PRODUCT IN 5 YEARS WHY ISN'T THE GUBERMENT LETTING ME

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You think the EC is worried about looking stupid?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    purpose? is that for extra surveillance or oppression? or for protecting non-existent EU manufacturers?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lol wut...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Reduce e-waste

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's for protecting EU citizen
      can't wait for the replaceable battery law

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      American moment

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      applesirs not like this

      picrel, kys mutt

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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        >when you realise that 1kg of liquid has 1m3 of volume, ergo kg:m3 = 1
        So satisfying.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >of liquid
          of pure water

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This has to be bait

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >1kg of liquid has 1m3
          made me reply mutt. Good bait tho.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          water density =~ 1g/cm^3 = 1kg/dm^3 (1l)
          1m^3 = 1000 dm^3 = 1000 l ==> 1m^3 of water =~ 1t (1000kg)

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          1l (LITER = 1dm3 = 0.001 m3) of water weighs 1 kg.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      to make apple cry
      it is very based

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eurofags are already openly corrupt. Unlike the US, they don't need excuses. If they want USB-C, it's probably because they think (know, says I), that it's the right thing to do.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can you burgers even think for yourselves or do you always need your favorite corpos telling you what to do?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If I don't like a corporation's product, I can just choose not to buy the product. Can't say the same about governments

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they will just ship with lighting to usb c adapters and call it a day

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      That worked for Apple with the microUSB mandate in 2009 but is specifically disallowed in this legislation - the device itself has to come with a USB-c port

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        pretty sure they include usb c adapters already now and has been doing that last 1-2 releases

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They supply a type C to lightning cable, but the device has a lightning port, which is specifically the entire point of this thread. Learn to read.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They will ship with no port at all.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    inb4 apple just goes portless all together embracing the magsafe ecosystem

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This 100%

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Laptops will have to comply with the rule at a later date.
    So the EU will make it illegal to sell laptops with a charging port that doesn't break off and takes half the traces of the motherboard with it. To be expected. Get me out of here

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't see how usb-c implies you have to solder shit onto your mainboard?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is cheaper that way and warrants a whole MB replacement when it breaks, that's why literally every manufacturer does it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Apple has daughter boards for their USB-C ports. Maybe don't buy things from shit manufacturers?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There are no devices to choose from. I'm not interested in Apple, and the rest are garbage too. I'm also not going to buy a laptop with soldered RAM.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Framework uses modular adapters. You'd have to work pretty hard to damage the port on the mainboard. Most likely, you'd damage the adapter, which is like $20 to replace. In any case, you can still replace USB-C ports, you just need someone who can solder SMD components.

              Your initial point is that the whole mainboard needs to be replaced if a USB-C port dies, which isn't even true to start with, but even it if is, there are two different manufacturers that I've named off the top of my head that address this concern. Now you're waffling about RAM like a retard. Your complaint is made up and has nothing to do with USB-C, retard.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      my lenovo legion laptop supports 100W PD charging over usb c already, it's included in a lot of laptops that are sold 2020 or later

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bullshit. no one says usb c has to be the exclusive charging port. apple is offering magsafe and usb c charging on macbooks

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don't get it. Why would anyone add any other port when this is the cheapest? I don't care about garbage like Apple, that's the exception, not the rule, I'm very surprised that they added magsafe back, they might take it away again when it's better for them that way.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i will never understand people that are against USB-C. Having a uniform connector is the dream. How can you fall for apples marketing so hard? Especially when they already use it in iPads and Macbooks. Only reason the iPhone still has it is because Apple gets a cut from Lightning accessories, which makes them literal billions.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't care, I have a single lightning cable next to my bed where I charge my phone when I'm sleeping. I don't need to charge my phone at my computers, I don't need to charge my computers next to my bed. I'd rather have a more durable connector. That being said, I would prefer if lightning didn't have the fucking chips in it to verify that it's a "genuine charger" and if it was an open standard.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I would prefer if lightning didn't have the fucking chips in it to verify that it's a "genuine charger" and if it was an open standard.
        so you want USB-C, got it. Its also more durable statistically. Depends on the manufacturer

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >also more durable statistically
          its shit. my phones usb port wears out after a year of use where it starts to become unreliable with its connection and i take a dead phone with me the next morning. i had to replace the port on my oneplus 3, which was fine because that phone wasnt glued down but now my one year old asus zenfone 8 is already having connection issues and the thing is just glued shut.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because I have literally zero reason to upgrade from microUSB and I don't want to be legislated on which fucking USB cables I buy

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >zero reason to upgrade from microUSB
        is it being complete shit not a reason enough? god save us from these retarded dinosaurs

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >literally zero reason to upgrade from microUSB
        how about the fact that usb-c can use usb3+ and be faster

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why do I need USB3 speeds on my mouse, or my keyboard, or for charging my phone, or on my hardware dongle, or for moving 300kb of ebooks onto my ereader, or...

          The regulation is about phones specifically, and so for phones specifically I have zero need for USB3 transfer.
          If I did, I would've bought one, and I don't need legislation for that.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The regulation is about phones specifically
            https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220603IPR32196/deal-on-common-charger-reducing-hassle-for-consumers-and-curbing-e-waste
            >Mobile phones, tablets, e-readers, earbuds, digital cameras, headphones and headsets, handheld videogame consoles and portable speakers that are rechargeable via a wired cable will have to be equipped with a USB Type-C port, regardless of their manufacturer. Laptops will also have to be adapted to the requirements by 40 months after the entry into force.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Oh, that's even worse then. In that case everything I said applies.
              >Laptops
              This is the most baffling to me because why the FUCK would I want a USB charger. Fuck off.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                It doesn't specify charging so I assume they just mean ports for data transfer. I bought a laptop just 2 years ago and it didn't have USB-C, and I assume there are still models without it.

                Why do I need USB3 speeds on my mouse, or my keyboard, or for charging my phone, or on my hardware dongle, or for moving 300kb of ebooks onto my ereader, or...

                The regulation is about phones specifically, and so for phones specifically I have zero need for USB3 transfer.
                If I did, I would've bought one, and I don't need legislation for that.

                >300kb of ebooks onto my ereader
                I think you're underestimating the average size of an ebook. Here's some of the largest epubs on my computer.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, USB2 is capable of transferring around 30MB/s, that's around 1 book/second for a "large" ebook. And those sizes are only really reachable for books with a bunch of images and diagrams; you don't get above maybe 4-5MB using just text.

                Even in the absolute worst case, if you have like a hundred huge ebooks full of images, then it'll take a couple of minutes to transfer. I don't know about you, but transferring hundreds of books is not exactly something I do daily, and I wouldn't expect even your collection to have that many books of that size if your screenshot shows specifically the largest ones you found.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You do know that USB-C can be used to carry USB2 signals right?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't need USBC
                >"but anon what about speed!"
                >I don't need speed either
                >"but anon you do know USBC can be slow too?"
                Yes and this boils right back down to the fact that I don't need USBC.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            USB-C is the best thing that ever happened to e-readers if you read manga. A full manga series that took an hour and a half to transfer over Micro-USB takes 45 mins over USB-C.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, that's just USB-3.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          microusb3 exists you know

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

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            It's not very suitable for cell phones since it's bulky and the cables aren't backwards compatible with the older port on the B side. I've never actually seen one IRL or anything that uses it.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I have a shitty external HDD from like 2012 that uses it

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                That seems to still be the main use for it now. Thanks anon

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >aren't backwards compatible with the older port on the B side
              Shut the fuck up n-word. It's 100% backwards compatible. USB was specifically designed for backwards compatibility.
              By the way, that's why they all look so retarded. They compromised on design efficiency to prioritize backwards comparability, and that's based as fuck.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                >It's 100% backwards compatible
                I mean it's physically incompatible. Show me how this can fit into a USB 2.0 micro port.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Samsung note 3 used it

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I bought a CF card reader recently that uses it

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Western Digital uses them for their external drives.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              HDDs and the Galaxy S5(?) use/used them

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this 2bh

        >zero reason to upgrade from microUSB
        is it being complete shit not a reason enough? god save us from these retarded dinosaurs

        micro usb just werx
        usb c is flimsy as shit and gets looser than you're mums pussy after a while

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >usb c gets looser
          clean out your filthy pockets and use a needle to take out the lint out of the port and this isn't a problem, as opposed to microshitB
          it's hard to fathom what kind of a wrong homosexual you are

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            there's zero lint in my usb-c port. my case has a little rubber plug to close it up.

            That shit is absolutely terrible. It loosens up over time and doesn't even lock noticeably better than USB-C.

            it works pretty well actually

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              your shitty case probably has a too small hole for your cable and it doesn't push in all the way, therefore it seems loose
              usbc after two years of daily use holds better than microB in less than a year, and this is coming from someone who has never in his whole fucking life broke any usb connectors. The hamfists are probably twice as happy because for them microB would shit out in couple months, while C can withstand the retard strength

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nope, it goes all the way in. it's the same without the case
                the micro-b on my 5 year old phone still feels tight while the usb-c on my 6 month old phone has noticeable wiggle room

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                I concur, Micro-B is rock solid, a great standard.
                I've yet to do much with USB-C, but the first thing that jumps to mind is 'flimsy,' so I'm very, very skeptical of this development.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you are not legislated retard, the manufacturers are

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Either trolling or genuine Apple shills. There is literally nothing wrong with USB-C and I welcome making it a standard.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not against a universal reversible port, but Lightning is a bit smaller/thinner and seems less loose when connected. I wish they'd chosen this form-factor.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wouldn't a magnetic port that doesn't need plugging at all be better though? well we'll never know because nobody can experiement with them now so we can wait until some retard in the head of some committee holding up development dies

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lightning has exposed pins, which is retarded when they're as small as they are and are exposed to all kinds of shit in their day to day use.

        wouldn't a magnetic port that doesn't need plugging at all be better though? well we'll never know because nobody can experiement with them now so we can wait until some retard in the head of some committee holding up development dies

        USB-C has 24 pins. Even if you cut that in half, it's still 12 pins. Magnetic connectors cannot be made as small as USB-C with the same number of connectors because the contact area in a magnetic connector is perpendicular to the direction of insertion rather than parallel, this limiting contact area to the height and width of the connector rather than the depth. Also, pins are exposed. I think MagSafe is not actually very good, but that's just me. It's certainly not useful for data connections.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >magnetic connections will never happen because they can't have the same throughput as USB-C!!

          USB C can deliver 240W of power and 40gbps of data you'll never need another port on a phone. Theoretically USB C could support more data. The problem isn't the connector at this point, it's the cable.

          >USB-C has more throughput than you'll ever need retard!!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            e-book readers could probably easily do with a magnetic connection already, and it's probably where the industry would be heading if not this retard legislation

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            e-book readers could probably easily do with a magnetic connection already, and it's probably where the industry would be heading if not this retard legislation

            Magnetic connectors have been around for over 15 years. If anyone was going to bother putting them on mobile devices, it would have happened already. Apple doesn't even use MagSafe on their phones. If it was going to happen, it would have already. Acting like this legislation is getting in the way of some massive course change that was going to happen in the mobile device industry is fucking retarded.

            You're replying to two different anons. I think the bandwidth USB-C offers is important. You want to talk innovation? Monitors with integrated USB-C hubs that require a single connection to your mobile device exist. I prefer those to be standardized than live in your retarded world where I have to make sure all my shit is from Dell or whatever to make sure it can connect.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

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              >Magnetic connectors have been around for over 15 years. If anyone was going to bother putting them on mobile devices, it would have happened already.
              RIP Palm.

              >The government controlling manufacturing is a slippery slope.
              News flash, retard, the government has controlled manufacturing for a very long time. Electrical and plumbing manufacturers in every country on Earth worth mentioning have to build to standards that are mandated by government. They do have a say in that standard, but there's a standard. If the dissident retards in this thread were to be believed, standardized electrical outlets are a bad thing because they stifle innovation. Like "it's the gubments fault that I can't attach my toaster to the wall with magnets." Bemoaning standards is the most patently retarded thing posters on LULZ regularly do.

              >Electrical and plumbing manufacturers in every country on Earth worth mentioning have to build to standards that are mandated by government.
              It's further downstream. They can make whatever they want. But if they don't comply with the standards laid out in national/local electrical/plumbing codes then they aren't going to get a lot of business. The effect is largely similar, but you as a homeowner can still go around and add a bunch of non-UL/ETC compliant light fixtures to your home after inspection. It just can't be built that way.
              The closest thing would be that guy who hacked a USB-C port into an iPhone. Which really isn't practical for the average DIY.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            USB C has 40gbps of throughput thanks to it supporting 4 lanes of PCIe Gen 3. PCIe Gen 5 is 4x that speed with the exact same wires but the caveat is the runs have to be less than 5cm. Theoretically if you had an active or optical type c cable you could support PCIe x4 gen 5 for 160Gbps of throughput. The point is, the laws of physics are more of a limit on data transfer than the USB C connector is. You won't need another connector because another connector is going to run into the same limitations.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i will never understand people that are against USB-C. Having a uniform connector is the dream. How can you fall for apples marketing so hard? Especially when they already use it in iPads and Macbooks. Only reason the iPhone still has it is because Apple gets a cut from Lightning accessories, which makes them literal billions.

      Thinking I care about apple kekw. It's called the free market. The government controlling manufacturing is a slippery slope. Just wait until they start placing restrictions on other tech aspects. I hope Apple does not comply.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The government controlling manufacturing is a slippery slope.
        News flash, retard, the government has controlled manufacturing for a very long time. Electrical and plumbing manufacturers in every country on Earth worth mentioning have to build to standards that are mandated by government. They do have a say in that standard, but there's a standard. If the dissident retards in this thread were to be believed, standardized electrical outlets are a bad thing because they stifle innovation. Like "it's the gubments fault that I can't attach my toaster to the wall with magnets." Bemoaning standards is the most patently retarded thing posters on LULZ regularly do.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This a lie they have a guideline which says
          Follow the guide or the manufacturer's requirements.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you are right. proprietary power outlets need to become a thing, it will lead to innovation!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you posting this by telegraph you dumb fucking n-word.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know anyone who's against it, it's a strawman from the incels here who run the "itoddler' and "curry n-word" scripts and bots.

      I switched out all of my shit to usb-c, for all of my computers, but I charge my iphone with magsafe. it's not an issue at all. The only thing I did was buy a usb-c to usb-a cord for using in my car if I need to charge there.

      People will just buy a new cable, like in the past. It's a non-issue except here.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think most people care. I've never heard someone talk about USB C irl

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >not posting the article instead of a shitty twitter screencap

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    as much as I hate the EU in other areas, some of these consumer and environmental protection laws are actually really good.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >beloved lightning port
    lightning-C port they'll make it dual compatible

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who the fuck do they think are to be mandating shit like that?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Certified greasy burger moment

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're literally the legislative branch of the European Union.
      This is like asking who the senate and house thinks they are when they decide on federal legislation.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >someone comes up with a better form factor
    >We can't use it because Europe fucked up

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >situation: there's now a gajillion """better""" form factors and all your devices use a different one

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I too remember the 2000s,. But I also remember the 2010s where 3 forms dominated the entire decade.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    EU n-words really love communism, huh

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thought pic was b+w girl with red highlights lauging for a split second

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Enforcing port standards
    >Not cable standards
    Welcome to a new kind of hell, EU.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The rule will also apply to other electronic devices including tablets, digital cameras, headphones, handheld video game consoles, and e-readers. Laptops will have to comply with the rule at a later date.
    gay commie shit
    am i supposed to be dictated how my devices are going to have to be by some retard bureaucrats that speak jumbled eu english? go "planify" your dilation fags

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      Problem?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >i rather being fucked by a multibillion company than being helped and benefited by the government

        You're a retarded n-word + the standard allows for updating it as tech evolves.
        It's so that chink n-word manufacturers stop selling Mini and Micro USB crap and fat USB crap.
        It's 2024, keep your jurassic tech where it belongs.
        There is NO reason not to mandate USB-C, and I say this as someone with very few USB-C devices.

        I'm sure the panacea of connectors was gonna be released in 2025 right as the regulation goes in effect and it kills literally all human innovation ever.
        Retard.

        get back to your monkeypox orgies europeons

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i rather being fucked by a multibillion company than being helped and benefited by the government

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >handheld video game consoles
      holy shit. no cheap micro usb consoles for kids

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only problem with this law is cheapo devices that would use micro usb will probably be a few more dollars.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The law doesn't require the connector to be USB-C, but it requires the manufacturers to agree on a standard, and they chose USB-C. If something different and better comes along, they can switch to using it as long as they all do.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is the equivalent of requiring PC graphics cards to use PCIe. A literal non-issue

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    eh, that's better.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    EU is anti-innovation yet again
    Wonder why they don't have big tech companies unlike US/China

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What kind of innovation do you propose?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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        some kind of locking mechanism perhaps?
        oh wait

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That shit is absolutely terrible. It loosens up over time and doesn't even lock noticeably better than USB-C.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can't remember the last time I actually noticed the locking lugs on the micro USB B port, they are actually less effective than a good quality type C cable and port.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. it's water only, not any liquid
    2. 1m3 of water is 1000kg, not 1kg
    3. it's not precisely that, plus its density depends on pressure and temperature

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and THIS is why microusb is EVIL

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      >when you realise that 1kg of liquid has 1m3 of volume, ergo kg:m3 = 1
      So satisfying.

      and THIS is why microusb is EVIL

      yes

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm more annoyed that millilitres and milligrams aren't the same weight. They could have at least used a different prefix.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        retard

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A cubic ml of water is one mg, adjust with the density of the liquid in question

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          1ml of water is 1g though
          and 1l is 1kg
          [...]
          >cubic ml
          ml is a measure of volume, it's redundant to say it's cubic, 1ml = 1cm3 (sometimes knows as "cc", cubic centimetre, yes, like an engine)

          actually for same-prefix you do have 1mm3 (cubic millimetre) = 1mg (milligrams) of water

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1ml of water is 1g though
        and 1l is 1kg

        A cubic ml of water is one mg, adjust with the density of the liquid in question

        >cubic ml
        ml is a measure of volume, it's redundant to say it's cubic, 1ml = 1cm3 (sometimes knows as "cc", cubic centimetre, yes, like an engine)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *997kg at the far more normal temperature of 25°C

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Laptops will have to comply with the rule at a later date.
    Fuck that. I'd like to keep my 360° reversible power connector thank you very much

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can we please just nuke Europe once and for all?

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's won't change anything since Apple puts chips into their cable which shows whatever this cable is genuine or not. And if your cable is not licensed it wouldn't work with Apple devices. So, even if they switch to Type-C you'll still have to use original or Apple certified peripherals.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    Where is usb4? Apparently zen4 and zen3+ will get it via firmware updates so shy can't zen 3?

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >universal

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      about time
      fuck applel and fuck americans for still falling for that shit

      the bus is universal
      you can easily convert between plug types

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I doubt modern usb2-3 could even run at usb1

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But it can though, your endpoint device might not be compatible with your host but it'll still link at USB 1/1.1 speeds.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It can, I use a USB card on an older server machine that has a single USB 1 port to transfer files from a 64GB USB3 stick

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Noice

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    man, apple shills/bots are in full force in this thread, aren't they?

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    EU commies are back at it

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >consoomers are too retarded and big goobermint has to step in

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      smartphone manufacturing is an oligarchy, consoomers have no real choices. they need to go further and force removable batteries, headphone jacks and user serviceable components.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No its not. There are many manufacturers but they all copy iphones because iphones sell like hotcakes even though apple makes the most retarded decisions ever.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >many manufacturers who collude instead of compete to make the same product, with the same features, for the same price point, with only slightly different variations to satisfy brand identity and patents
          Congratulations, you just described an oligarchy.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol they are not colluding you schitzo retard. They are copying apple because apple has the biggest share in the smartphone market. Its just capitalism and the manufacturers are being retarded because the consoomers are retarded.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    ((free)) Lightning to USB-C adapter with an $100 price increase. Calling it now.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The legislation specifically disallows that. The device itself must come with it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lmao true

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. Hand-held mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, handheld
    videogame consoles and portable speakers, in so far as they are capable of being
    recharged via wired charging, shall:
    (a) be equipped with the USB Type-C receptacle, as described in the standard EN
    IEC 62680-1-3:2021 ‘Universal serial bus interfaces for data and power - Part
    1-3: Common components - USB Type-C
    TM Cable and Connector
    Specification’, which should remain accessible and operational at all times;
    (b) be capable, in the case of charging power lower than 60 watts, of being charged
    with cables which comply with the standard EN IEC 62680-1-3:2021
    ‘Universal serial bus interfaces for data and power - Part 1-3: Common
    components - USB Type-C
    TM Cable and Connector Specification’.
    2. Hand-held mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, handheld
    videogame consoles and portable speakers, in so far as they are capable of being
    recharged via wired charging at voltages higher than 5 volts or currents higher than 3
    amperes or powers higher than 15 watts, shall:
    (a) incorporate the USB Power Delivery, as described in the standard EN IEC
    62680-1-2:2021 ‘Universal serial bus interfaces for data and power - Part 1-2:
    Common components - USB Power Delivery specification’;
    (b) ensure that any additional charging protocol allows the full functionality of the
    USB Power Delivery referred to in point (a).

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love usb C but this kills competition. Fuck the EU.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what are the advantages that the lightning might have? they always seem to cost more and are prone to breaking more than the usb-c

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't it get folded into thunderbolt and usb4 spec?

      But it can though, your endpoint device might not be compatible with your host but it'll still link at USB 1/1.1 speeds.

      Neat I wish there was more resto mods for old usb1 shit

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They get what they fucking deserve

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >muh experimentation
    There is no experimentation, no debate, nothing. It's been +15 years of USB dominance and "free market" and the only competitor is a worse Apple standard, because they have the brainwash power to force it into thheir customers. The only "debate" was whether USB-C would dethrone micro. It has.
    come the fuck on, it's a data wired data link and charger. A fucking cable. There's no room for "imporvement". If there is, why haven't we seen it already? It's so simple, develop a better cable, sell it and become utra billionaire.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >tfw live in absurd bongistan
    >tfw will never see heroic utopian EU dream manifest in my country
    at least clown Boros got in charge because everyone voted for the lulz instead of proper policymakers, right? Surely getting someone in charge because they're silly is a good idea uhhhh

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >instead of proper policymakers
      Like who?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Like Jeremy Corbyn.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can't you just buy EU devices with USB-C since you're so fucking close?

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > phones
    Meanwhile my toothbrush, trimmer and epilator all use proprietary ports.
    Just unify all electronic devices, FFS.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isnt USB C patented restricted? Isnt this a monopoly?

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    So what happens when Apple just doesn't ship phones with any port at all in 2024?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Won't happen for a while because of how slow magsafe and wireless charging is in general.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think wireless charging will take off

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It'd be pretty cheap to just have a different port installed for phones sold in EU, if you thought you had some incredibly good reason to use something different.

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    USB-C is only good if you need big data transfers or supermegaultragigafast charging.

    The lightning connector fits perfectly and snugly, like a dog knotting a bitch.

    USB-C is loose and wobbly and becomes weaker over time, and is not satisfying.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus, they now sell them in stores?
      I had to start up my own culture i got from babushka kept from the old country.
      Are they any good? I's their milk still fresh?

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we NEED a one world government so i don't have lots of charging cables!!!
    EUROstans are this retarded

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >very mild economic regulation is totalitarian
      sasuga mutt

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't care, I can afford to buy a new cable, if I need to.

    I charge my iphone with magsafe, anyway. No fucks given.

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    Yurop wins again
    Applelmutts seething

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    European parliament must then declare USB patent-free and royalty-free. Otherwise they just have gifted own population as slaves to the USB consorcium.

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now European Union should force IPv6.

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They just won’t include a charging port

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      enjoy 30% power wasted from loss while charging itoddlers

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    iTODDLERS BTFO

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Baston

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a pair of Jlab wireless headphones that charge with usb c but only specific usb c it shipped with. No other usb c works. How did they do this? Is it legal?

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Smartphone == iPhone.
    Watch apple win this argument

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I will become an obsessed applefag if they dab on EU like this

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    honestly I have mixed feelings, I wish apple had just willingly switched to USB C without forcing EU parliament to interfere, making this into a complete shitshow. There is still an absolute ton of innovation in the near future for cable/connector standards and this will inevitably hamper them.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >There is still an absolute ton of innovation in the near future for cable/connector standards and this will inevitably hamper them.
      fuck off apple shill

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        bro, lightning offers no advantages over USB C but don't be dumb, Don't pretend we wont have magnetic connectors and fiber optic cables in the near future and that's just the start.

  53. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    it is just contrarian americans who literally are all
    >fuck you I wont do what you tell me
    at the tiniest prospect of some kind of regulation to put a leash on the tech garden gnomes

  54. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based. Fuck microusb it should be a crime to use it in $present_year.

  55. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kek imagine being governed by a bunch of UNELECTED politicians that run the show of an entire continent

  56. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know a single Applefag who hasn't bitched about lightning and is mad about this. In fact, most people seem happy.

  57. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    That's assuming a party has a choice. Exploitation is one of the modes of exchange.
    >If you don't like the business owner for whatever reason you can shame him, boycott his production, etc. All of this is ancap.
    Yes but ultimately you have no means of stopping him and that's the problem. When your social contract is not between individuals but between individual and community, you can cut off the resources from that business owner, and that will make it impossible to establish a corporate autocracy like with ancap.

    >Dumping industrial waste on someone else's property is an act of aggression.
    Then we're in agreement. What about pollution? CO2? I think these things require society and communes working towards mutual good rather than individuals.

    left lib are anarchists not anything you wrote there, filthy garden gnome

    also all the right is based, fuck your feelings, kneel before God and beg for forgiveness

    >fash larper can't spell
    lmao

  58. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >How will Applefags cope with the loss of their beloved lightning port?
    Just fine, thank you very much.

  59. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    you all are fucking retarded if you think apple would add a port that they dont want to the phone... the only thing apple is known for (and proven in the past) is removing attributes everyone likes and labeling it a "feature".

    Good luck waiting 30 years for your wireless charging phones dumbasses. nice 56k dialup wifi connection too.

  60. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stop selling apple shit in the EU the people won't be very happy.
    The natives are restless.

  61. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How will Applefags cope
    I'll cope with my wireless charging

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