That and well a single personality can no longer control the leviathans that are modern economies, but I don't think Managerialism is long for the world either, at least in the west, these aren't the sophisticated technocrats of the 40s, the politicians aren't even as competent as ones from the 80s. This too will pass.
>capitalism is the federal reserve manipulating markets based on its own self-serving whims, while the federal government takes 30% of your money and spends it on n-words, garden gnomes and wars
Yes, that is a good understanding of what the capitalist system has created and encouraged for the last 100+ years.
You can't just claim the good stuff is capitalism and then claim all the bad stuff isn't capitalism. We have a capitalist system, if you don't like it, you can try to change it, but don't suggest it's not what it is. Which is capitalistic at it's core and it's extremities.
So, I'm a stock market retard. I know that's a lot of red, but those are very small down percentages aren't they? How bad actually is it? Honest question.
overall since January, all of last year's gains have been wiped and we're basically back to pre covid level.
If it drops below that only god knows how low it's gonna go
overall since January, all of last year's gains have been wiped and we're basically back to pre covid level.
If it drops below that only god knows how low it's gonna go
>So, I'm a stock market retard. I know that's a lot of red, but those are very small down percentages aren't they? How bad actually is it? Honest question
it gunna be a slow bleed. prob is weekly losses compounding, we are down 20 percent from highs, will, it may well lose 5 percent a week for the next 18 months..
there is going to be lay offs. big issue is not just the .75 pc interest rate rise but the quantitative tightening (fed will stop buying corporate and gov bonds (and securities).
there will be no money, no credit/loan to buy a house or car, or to pay your staff or to buy plant or to buy stock to resell.
when they say we have a debt based economy.. well, it means we are going to be fucked when nobody can get credit.
i dont know what to do financially to protect against this, physical metals is prob the safest at this stage. but we could have bail outs or bail ins, mass redundancies, foreclosures en mass, literal bread lines. meanwhile production will have slowed and good and services will become in short supply.
you know game of thrones how hey kept saying “winter is coming”?.. it was a psyop, and winter is here.
They’re trying to do it in slow steps to control inflation without detonating the whole economy at once. But it won’t work. The entire system since the tech bubble burst has been built on easy access to cheap debt, the Fed covering up fuckups by eating bad debt, and endless government spending. Remove any of that and the whole shitty system falls apart.
Everything is built on lies. Everything is a scam. There is absolutely nothing that is actually healthy.
The bigger issue here is that the stocks people think they own don’t actually exist. The boomers have been practicing fractional reserve stock brokering and now we are about to have the Great Depression but instead of banks not having your cash (since they can print it in unlimited quantities) they don’t have your stocks or derivatives.
>i dont know what to do financially to protect against this, physical metals is prob the safest at this stage. but we could have bail outs or bail ins, mass redundancies, foreclosures en mass, literal bread lines. meanwhile production will have slowed and good and services will become in short supply.
The only smart move that I can see is get you ass into some amount of acreage and start learning how to make food now. There's a steep learning curve and plants can be quite unforgiving of mistakes. >but how can i protect my current level of affluence and comfort
If thats how you are still thinking then you are in for a brutal ride
>The only smart move that I can see is get you ass into some amount of acreage and start learning how to make food now.
It's too late in many parts of the country to even plant now. You had to start gardening when COVID hit to be able to make it now.
Yeah I've been gardening for a while. After a bit it just comes naturally. I use a soaker hose these days, it's more efficient. I even have some Pinot vines among many things. This year I have caper bushes going too.
Every harvest will bring a new problem. Bugs and worms destry 2/3 of the crop one year, no rain or the wind will take the next. Deer, rats and birds will take a good chunk just when you thought you were set. Yeah, much more tricky than first suspected.
Youre probably farming retarded plants, get some potatoes in there and plant some trees: apple cherry olive tree. Kale is sturdy as fuck and nutritious. Youll want to crop rotate after a few years. Did you test the soil to see which plants do best on its acidity and nutrient status? You can change the nutrition by fertilizer or selected crops. >T.buried some potatoes and now its growing naturally like a weed
>you know game of thrones how hey kept saying “winter is coming”?.. it was a psyop, and winter is here.
No, winter is winter. This winter food and energy will run out.
The market isn't going to collapse in a day or a week. This will be a steady downward trend to the bottom, with a few corrections to get more suckers to buy. You have maybe a year before all hell breaks loose. Sell now.
All the post pandemic money is gone. The billions they flushed into the market is burnt and companies will soon have to start letting people go to save themselves. High inflation high unemployment coming. Skip
The recession and head to a depression. All thanks to flipping out over a glorified flu.
>So, I'm a stock market retard. I know that's a lot of red, but those are very small down percentages aren't they? How bad actually is it? Honest question
it gunna be a slow bleed. prob is weekly losses compounding, we are down 20 percent from highs, will, it may well lose 5 percent a week for the next 18 months..
there is going to be lay offs. big issue is not just the .75 pc interest rate rise but the quantitative tightening (fed will stop buying corporate and gov bonds (and securities).
there will be no money, no credit/loan to buy a house or car, or to pay your staff or to buy plant or to buy stock to resell.
when they say we have a debt based economy.. well, it means we are going to be fucked when nobody can get credit.
i dont know what to do financially to protect against this, physical metals is prob the safest at this stage. but we could have bail outs or bail ins, mass redundancies, foreclosures en mass, literal bread lines. meanwhile production will have slowed and good and services will become in short supply.
you know game of thrones how hey kept saying “winter is coming”?.. it was a psyop, and winter is here.
pic not related.
This. I would bet 40% of my net worth on it if I could afford to.
We are in the middle of a passive investment bubble rn.
Rather than just setting aside time and effort to pick a few good stocks to buy, people have been piling their money into etfs, money market funds, and other managed investment pools, when there are 100x more money managers in the US than there are stocks.
The bubble is created both by this numerical abundance, and the fact that every investment manager active now had mentors that said "just buy stocks and hold them lol". And so did their mentors' mentors, going all the way back to 1954, the year that equities markets finally recovered to pre-Great Depression levels.
Why is this "slow downward grind" going to happen?
For precisely the reason that modern investment professionals have never experienced such an environment and have no idea how to deal with it.
Markets punish inefficiency, on both an individual and systemic scale.
This is the most severe systemic inefficiency that has existed since MBS and mortgage default rates pre-2008. And it may be worse.
That's one day. The entire US market is down ~25% since Jan 1st. Imagine having $1,000,000 saved for retirement and now it's $750,000. That's $250,000 gone.
Although it will probably recover, given enough time, if people are patient. People are emotional and will sell at the lows, locking in their losses though.
>Although it will probably recover, given enough time, if people are patient.
You’re witnessing the collapse of the US banking system in real time. “Recover” is a relative term.
>but those are very small down percentages aren't they?
Today, yes. But they were down 4% yesterday, and down 2% the day before that, you get the picture now?
n-word its been like this for 6 months. Why do people with no money always post these market fear threads? I've lost more money this year than you've ever had in your life.
i take advantage of dollar cost averaging which means the monthly deposits into my retirement account today will grow substantially when Biden is just a corpse in our rear view mirror
>garden gnomes >money
You're a fool if you think that garden gnomes simply hoard cash and garden gnomeels like a cartoon villain.
They sink their worth into investments, bonds, futures, shares and real estate.
I don't mean to be a gloom and doomer, but from where I'm sitting it looks like they're getting ready to take the whole shit down. Hyperinflating M1, food fires, livestocks dead, skyrocketing oil price, trucker apocalypse, supply shortages, (what have I missed?)
The game is over, as I am fond of saying. The bankers won. They are in control of the Pikes Peak batholith and the multi-trillion-dollar granite tunnel system—a highly symbolic 40 miles west of Denver, Colorado in the Front Range. But they are in control of much more than the end-time survival apparatus. They control not only the military and government of the United States of America but through the power of major corporations and the corruptibility of businessmen and government officials, fiat currency manipulation by the WiΩards of Fiat Currency at the Federal Reserve System, a small army of propagandists and “hackers” (this is a technically incorrect use of the term) who are fighting to maintain control of the Frankenstein monster they created called the Internet (in a war I fear they are going to lose), and even the Republican form of government the created which inevitably—and I would argue by design—fosters centralized control and assures only a handful of “elected” officials must be compromised to control an entire country, they control the entire Western world.
Buy SPY calls and call me when you sell them Monday for +100% returns.
Then buy puts.
Then sell them the next day.
Then buy calls.
Then sell them the next day.
Why am I getting garden gnomeed here? Volatility is way up, the S&P500 has lost about 600 points since I bought them, yet they're still trading at the same. Do I stack more?
>market meltdown
kek youre a retard. the market is a derivative of the bonds. If a meltdown would happen, it would happen in the bond market. is it happening? looks like it, Fed's trying to slow it down as much as they can, but it looks like it has began.
The difference in what I said and what you said, is that a change in the bond market equals to a change in the stock market, not vice versa. You should follow the bond market, if its melting, its over. its been melting for a couple of days, therefore the pressure on stocks. If a crash would occur, it would be a crash - aka non predictable and everyone will try to exit at the same time. Stocks will lose over 80% from ATH, and that's conservative (number is taken from stock price before the mass inflation and printing has began, and its not accurate ofc). could stock price recover, lets say, tomorrow? totally. for the short term at least. its not a crash, its a meltdown, so it will go slow and bumpy. ofc a crash will happen eventually, but we wont be able to know when. point is be careful on those shorts.
It's been over, you still waiting for 2 weeks?
>Oh LE NOES
>ITS AS IF CAPITALISM IS A FLAWED SYSTEM
>SOMEONE PLEASE HELP AAAHHHHHHJHHHHHHH
>CAPITALISM
Kek, we haven’t had anything resembling capitalism in this country since long before you were born.
Capitalism died in 1929, we live under Managerialism now. There is no point in talking Capitalism as it is no longer relevant.
>Managerialism
Pretty much with all the pussyfooting and refusing to take risks
That and well a single personality can no longer control the leviathans that are modern economies, but I don't think Managerialism is long for the world either, at least in the west, these aren't the sophisticated technocrats of the 40s, the politicians aren't even as competent as ones from the 80s. This too will pass.
This is like commies saying "That wasn't real communism"
No, in the past was real capitalism, now is judeocapitalism.
The bigger the govt the moar capitalism
Simple as
But anon, any economy that's uses capital is capitalism obviously. It's right there in the name
Based and Father Coughlin-pilled
Biden and his socialist policies crashing the economy
>reeee CAPITALISM
Go fuck yourself.
>CAPITALISM IS... LE BAD
My friends who have lived and currently live in communist shitholes would like to have a word with you.
Capitalism is a system of profit and loss. The loss part is just as important as the profit part
>the cancer of progressivism attacks a healthy body
>huh, guess the body wasn't so healthy after all
>capitalism is the federal reserve manipulating markets based on its own self-serving whims, while the federal government takes 30% of your money and spends it on n-words, garden gnomes and wars
Yes, that is a good understanding of what the capitalist system has created and encouraged for the last 100+ years.
You can't just claim the good stuff is capitalism and then claim all the bad stuff isn't capitalism. We have a capitalist system, if you don't like it, you can try to change it, but don't suggest it's not what it is. Which is capitalistic at it's core and it's extremities.
We don't live under a capitalist system. It's crony capitalism.
“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” — Benito Mussolini
So, I'm a stock market retard. I know that's a lot of red, but those are very small down percentages aren't they? How bad actually is it? Honest question.
No one knows yet.
Okay, thanks much.
overall since January, all of last year's gains have been wiped and we're basically back to pre covid level.
If it drops below that only god knows how low it's gonna go
>we're basically back to pre covid level
not true. the indices are still well above pre-covid level.
Well above? 500-1000 points depending on the index and the market loses that daily.
>So, I'm a stock market retard. I know that's a lot of red, but those are very small down percentages aren't they? How bad actually is it? Honest question
it gunna be a slow bleed. prob is weekly losses compounding, we are down 20 percent from highs, will, it may well lose 5 percent a week for the next 18 months..
there is going to be lay offs. big issue is not just the .75 pc interest rate rise but the quantitative tightening (fed will stop buying corporate and gov bonds (and securities).
there will be no money, no credit/loan to buy a house or car, or to pay your staff or to buy plant or to buy stock to resell.
when they say we have a debt based economy.. well, it means we are going to be fucked when nobody can get credit.
i dont know what to do financially to protect against this, physical metals is prob the safest at this stage. but we could have bail outs or bail ins, mass redundancies, foreclosures en mass, literal bread lines. meanwhile production will have slowed and good and services will become in short supply.
you know game of thrones how hey kept saying “winter is coming”?.. it was a psyop, and winter is here.
pic not related.
>i don't know what to do financially to protect against this
If you believe what you're typing, the answer is obvious:
firearms
ammo
water purification
gardening tools
seeds
plants
food
guns
ammo
i only need 1 gun. use it to shoot you and take your guns.
homosexual. what you gonna do with useless piles of metal?
>it gunna be a slow bleed
Exactly. They know that an unrelenting trickle downward is much more demoralizing than a one day sudden dramatic plunge.
They’re trying to do it in slow steps to control inflation without detonating the whole economy at once. But it won’t work. The entire system since the tech bubble burst has been built on easy access to cheap debt, the Fed covering up fuckups by eating bad debt, and endless government spending. Remove any of that and the whole shitty system falls apart.
Everything is built on lies. Everything is a scam. There is absolutely nothing that is actually healthy.
The bigger issue here is that the stocks people think they own don’t actually exist. The boomers have been practicing fractional reserve stock brokering and now we are about to have the Great Depression but instead of banks not having your cash (since they can print it in unlimited quantities) they don’t have your stocks or derivatives.
>i dont know what to do financially to protect against this, physical metals is prob the safest at this stage. but we could have bail outs or bail ins, mass redundancies, foreclosures en mass, literal bread lines. meanwhile production will have slowed and good and services will become in short supply.
The only smart move that I can see is get you ass into some amount of acreage and start learning how to make food now. There's a steep learning curve and plants can be quite unforgiving of mistakes.
>but how can i protect my current level of affluence and comfort
If thats how you are still thinking then you are in for a brutal ride
>The only smart move that I can see is get you ass into some amount of acreage and start learning how to make food now.
It's too late in many parts of the country to even plant now. You had to start gardening when COVID hit to be able to make it now.
Not even. I started when the coof started and things haven't gone great. From drought to what have you. It's not easy.
Yeah I've been gardening for a while. After a bit it just comes naturally. I use a soaker hose these days, it's more efficient. I even have some Pinot vines among many things. This year I have caper bushes going too.
Every harvest will bring a new problem. Bugs and worms destry 2/3 of the crop one year, no rain or the wind will take the next. Deer, rats and birds will take a good chunk just when you thought you were set. Yeah, much more tricky than first suspected.
Youre probably farming retarded plants, get some potatoes in there and plant some trees: apple cherry olive tree. Kale is sturdy as fuck and nutritious. Youll want to crop rotate after a few years. Did you test the soil to see which plants do best on its acidity and nutrient status? You can change the nutrition by fertilizer or selected crops.
>T.buried some potatoes and now its growing naturally like a weed
>i dont know what to do financially to protect against this
UVIX FNGD LABD WEBS DRV SQQQ...
>you know game of thrones how hey kept saying “winter is coming”?.. it was a psyop, and winter is here.
No, winter is winter. This winter food and energy will run out.
It's huge for one day. That's 100% loss in 10 weeks.
>100% loss
retard
The market isn't going to collapse in a day or a week. This will be a steady downward trend to the bottom, with a few corrections to get more suckers to buy. You have maybe a year before all hell breaks loose. Sell now.
2-3% down, it's just a slow week, if it drops 20% in a day then we're fucked
its dropped like 2-3% a day for the last two weeks.
Shits been dumping for months anon. Everyday things are looking worse.
All the post pandemic money is gone. The billions they flushed into the market is burnt and companies will soon have to start letting people go to save themselves. High inflation high unemployment coming. Skip
The recession and head to a depression. All thanks to flipping out over a glorified flu.
>All thanks to flipping out over a glorified flu.
It wasn't the flu. It was an engineered weapon which escaped too soon.
This. I would bet 40% of my net worth on it if I could afford to.
We are in the middle of a passive investment bubble rn.
Rather than just setting aside time and effort to pick a few good stocks to buy, people have been piling their money into etfs, money market funds, and other managed investment pools, when there are 100x more money managers in the US than there are stocks.
The bubble is created both by this numerical abundance, and the fact that every investment manager active now had mentors that said "just buy stocks and hold them lol". And so did their mentors' mentors, going all the way back to 1954, the year that equities markets finally recovered to pre-Great Depression levels.
Why is this "slow downward grind" going to happen?
For precisely the reason that modern investment professionals have never experienced such an environment and have no idea how to deal with it.
Markets punish inefficiency, on both an individual and systemic scale.
This is the most severe systemic inefficiency that has existed since MBS and mortgage default rates pre-2008. And it may be worse.
That's one day. The entire US market is down ~25% since Jan 1st. Imagine having $1,000,000 saved for retirement and now it's $750,000. That's $250,000 gone.
Although it will probably recover, given enough time, if people are patient. People are emotional and will sell at the lows, locking in their losses though.
>Although it will probably recover, given enough time, if people are patient.
You’re witnessing the collapse of the US banking system in real time. “Recover” is a relative term.
Death by a thousand cuts. We aren't seeing a collapse, we are seeing slow trickles
>but those are very small down percentages aren't they?
Today, yes. But they were down 4% yesterday, and down 2% the day before that, you get the picture now?
You are holding some GME I hope.
I don’t Care about the company. Forget your boomer investing strategy, this is our market now.
Nothing feel bad.
n-word its been like this for 6 months. Why do people with no money always post these market fear threads? I've lost more money this year than you've ever had in your life.
>he fell for the QE boom
As they say, a fool and his money are soon parted.
Checked and noted
Good one homosexual. Still doesn't excuse the fact that you are just a fear mongering retard who doesn't invest.
>lol u not degenerate gambler
kek
>I've lost more money this year than you've ever had in your life.
That's not the kind of flex you think it is.
>not buying GameStop (Ticker: GME)
Not Gonna Make It (Ticker: NGMI)
Play garden gnome games win... wait with garden gnomes you just lose
Stocks are a little cheaper today, nice!
I hold no stocks. I sold my 401k from my previous job at the top last year. Get fucked boomer scum.
i take advantage of dollar cost averaging which means the monthly deposits into my retirement account today will grow substantially when Biden is just a corpse in our rear view mirror
Hmmmm what to buy
where the FUCK are the big garden gnomes putting their money?
commodities
buy metal, food, agriculture futures
physical gold/silver only
>garden gnomes
>money
You're a fool if you think that garden gnomes simply hoard cash and garden gnomeels like a cartoon villain.
They sink their worth into investments, bonds, futures, shares and real estate.
Thank God I saved up these last few years. I'm gonna be the only one with cash handy
Hope you have hard assents. Cash is losing its buying power by 10% monthly
NO CAP?!
>these are the people that think they'd thrive without laws
Whew.
I want society to fall apart so I can start hunting these people for sport.
>I want society to fall apart so I can start hunting these people for sport.
This.04x8m
Goddamn captcha. Holy fuck I hate that shit.
Thanks for the thread OP. Well, gotta go! Cheers!
>2 more weeks™
not real capitalism
Try zooming out on the charts you fucking retard
The red numbers are actually good. It keeps the garden gnomes quiet while we profit from them.
I don't mean to be a gloom and doomer, but from where I'm sitting it looks like they're getting ready to take the whole shit down. Hyperinflating M1, food fires, livestocks dead, skyrocketing oil price, trucker apocalypse, supply shortages, (what have I missed?)
I'm buying food and ammo.
I lost everything.
We can eat mucus at least. It tastes like nuts.
ALREADY PRICED IN
Haha, GOOG.
>tfw didn't buy ammo, tinned food or metals
The game is over, as I am fond of saying. The bankers won. They are in control of the Pikes Peak batholith and the multi-trillion-dollar granite tunnel system—a highly symbolic 40 miles west of Denver, Colorado in the Front Range. But they are in control of much more than the end-time survival apparatus. They control not only the military and government of the United States of America but through the power of major corporations and the corruptibility of businessmen and government officials, fiat currency manipulation by the WiΩards of Fiat Currency at the Federal Reserve System, a small army of propagandists and “hackers” (this is a technically incorrect use of the term) who are fighting to maintain control of the Frankenstein monster they created called the Internet (in a war I fear they are going to lose), and even the Republican form of government the created which inevitably—and I would argue by design—fosters centralized control and assures only a handful of “elected” officials must be compromised to control an entire country, they control the entire Western world.
>my stocks are still up
well MISC ?
did you buy food ?
tools ?
guns ?
let me guess ? NFTs and Stocks ?
BWAHAHAHAHA
>CHD
>green
CHUDBROS
Buy SPY calls and call me when you sell them Monday for +100% returns.
Then buy puts.
Then sell them the next day.
Then buy calls.
Then sell them the next day.
x100
You'll be rich like me!
>Market melting down
>my Dec 22 puts still flat
Why am I getting garden gnomeed here? Volatility is way up, the S&P500 has lost about 600 points since I bought them, yet they're still trading at the same. Do I stack more?
2% = its over
fuck off
Good time to prep for scooping up great stock deals when it bottoms out. Buy low.
DO NOT REDEEM SIRS!!!!!!!
>NUMBERS GO DOWN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Meanwhile, I'm just sitting here smoking a fat joint and drinking iced tea.
Only rich fags and their parasitical families care about the stock market.
You think none of this will affect you because you don't own stock? Better put that joint out.
interesting, microsoft has a higher market cap than google I didn't expect that. I still don't understand why Apple is number 2 in the world though
>market meltdown
kek youre a retard. the market is a derivative of the bonds. If a meltdown would happen, it would happen in the bond market. is it happening? looks like it, Fed's trying to slow it down as much as they can, but it looks like it has began.
The difference in what I said and what you said, is that a change in the bond market equals to a change in the stock market, not vice versa. You should follow the bond market, if its melting, its over. its been melting for a couple of days, therefore the pressure on stocks. If a crash would occur, it would be a crash - aka non predictable and everyone will try to exit at the same time. Stocks will lose over 80% from ATH, and that's conservative (number is taken from stock price before the mass inflation and printing has began, and its not accurate ofc). could stock price recover, lets say, tomorrow? totally. for the short term at least. its not a crash, its a meltdown, so it will go slow and bumpy. ofc a crash will happen eventually, but we wont be able to know when. point is be careful on those shorts.