Parliamentary debate for the redefining of the Equality Act is set for the 12th of June. Let me explain how rigged this is and what it will mean for UK trans.
>Government appointed an anti-trans head to the EHRC who wants to redefine the Equality Act so that every instance of "sex" is defined as "biological sex" rather than legal sex.
>EHRC admits its definition for "biological sex" has no biological basis and just means "not being transgender".
>This would effective destroy the Gender Recognition Act because changing your legal birth sex would not protect you from being banned or discriminated against.
>Trans people can be banned from any sex segregated space, hospital wards, changing rooms, toilets without their exclusion needing to be a proportional means of achieving a legitimate aim
>Trans peoples rights would be dragged back 50 years, even basic shit like equal pay protection would be gone.
If this happens, we're fucked basically, now onto the rigged debate itself...
>Anti-trans activists get a petition enough votes to get the issue debated in parliament.
>Pro-trans people also get a petition to keep the EA as it is enough votes, so both positions will be debated on the 12th of June.
>The government will be arguing for the "Redefine the EA" side
>The leader for the opposition side, who SHOULD be arguing to keep the EA as it is has been selected
>They're an anti-trans activist who follows and supports a bunch of transphobic extremists, including the LWP who called for the elimination of transgenderism
>She has openly supported redefining the Equality Act in the exact way described
>So the debate is between 2 groups, who both hate trans people and want to redefine the Equality Act.
It's never been more over
We're about to see a parliamentary debate between two groups of transphobes over which rights trans people should have and whatever they decide is legally implemented.
If anyone reading that and just now only woken up to how bad the UK is in general then it might be already too late for you.
I checked out of British society like a decade ago and became an observer of it.
>A collapsing empire yet again finds a minority group to scapegoat its problems and frustration onto
The UK won't exist in five years.
Scapegoating means blaming a minority group for social problems, which is what the UK is doing for migrants/"small boats"
Nobody is blaming tranners for the cost of living crisis or the decline in public services, this is just concern over detransitioners suing the NHS because they transitioned as children and claim they were groomed into it, and people getting uncomfy with biological males in women's spaces
It is both funny and frustrating how goddamn stupid you are
Have you been living under a fucking rock or have you not noticed the whole culture war centered around “””whole culture””” and LGBT people?
are you retarded?
* ”””woke culture”””
>without their exclusion needing to be a proportional means of achieving a legitimate aim
Discrimination on the basis of sex would still need to be justified as proportional means of achieving a legitimate aim
That is technically already allowed in the statutory guidance, it applies to trans women who hold a gender recognition certificate too because it relates to the protected characteristic of gender reassignment (so for example a women's rape crisis shelter that specifically offers space only to cis women who may experience severe emotional distress around pre-transition trans women, for example)
>even basic shit like equal pay protection would be gone.
That would not be touched by the re-clarification of what is meant by "sex" in the Equality Act
>This would effective destroy the Gender Recognition Act
The predominate purpose of the GRA when introduced was to allow trans women to marry men (as it was before gay marriage, so trans women couldn't marry men if they were legally classified as men) and also permit them to marry in a ceremony addressed as wife (the marriage act was never updated so the registrar must use the terms husband or wife in relation to legal sex) and other areas of law surrounding your birth certificate (for example what goes on your death certificate)
>Trans peoples rights would be dragged back 50 years
50 years ago was 1973 when it was fully legal to make transphobic jokes in the workplace, fire someone for coming out as trans, deny trans people the right to housing etc etc and this will not do any of those things
Most trans women do not hold a gender recognition certificate as getting one is difficult, and so will literally have zero change
>Anti-trans activists get a petition enough votes to get the issue debated in parliament
unironically seething rn
this is the first time I've seen a fucking petition actually proceed to parliamentary debate, vs be shot down by the govt
and it's a debate about the existence of trans people, led by transphobes on both sides
fucking cunt agenda SHIT CUNT FUCK
lots of petitions make it to parliamentary debate
it's just they usually debate it and go "lol no"
>lots of petitions make it to parliamentary debate
>it's just they usually debate it and go "lol no"
crypto authoritarian govt
this time it will be "lol, no trannies"
fugg, this is gonna be a hard decade or two
it's ok, all british citizens are able to go live and work in ireland indefinitely and after living and working for there for a few years you can into eu citizenship
downside you have to deal with the irish
ireland isn't any nicer to trans people
yes but after a few years you can into eu citizenship and move elsewhere in europe
do you work elsewhere in Europe?
ouai, mon père est irlandais, donc je suis déjà un citoyen irlandais et européen de naissance, malgré le brexit. j'ai bossé à marseille pendant six piges avant la pandémie et je suis revenu. j'ai pas vraiment remarqué beaucoup de différences entre la france et uk en termes de prise en charge des trans, voire même je pense que les gens en france sont plus impolis et conflictuels (je pense pas que je suis trop clocky), mais si les gens pensent que le Royaume-Uni est le pays le plus flippant pour les personnes trans, y'a toujours moyen de se casser ailleurs, quoi qu'il en soit.
I'll be okay I think (or hope) It's the premise of the situation in general, and others I worry about. I should be able to immigrate anywhere considering my career, but that hinges on me fixing my mental and physical health issues. Which has, so far, been made incredibly difficult by the govt, with the lack of both adequate healthcare and a social security net. Learnt the hard way there.
B A S E D
Anon you do understand that before it reaches the debate threshold of 100,000 signatures, it reaches the response threshold of 10,000 signatures and this is what the government said
>The Equality Act 2010 provides protection against discrimination, harassment and victimisation across a number of grounds, including sex. We are committed to upholding Britain’s long-standing record of protecting the rights of individuals against unlawful discrimination.
>The Government is also committed to maintaining the safeguards that allow organisations to provide single-sex services. It is important that the principle of being able to operate spaces reserved for women and girls is maintained, in line with the Equality Act. Government is committed to tackling harassment and abusive behaviours by all individuals, and ensuring single-sex spaces are safe for those using them.
>The Act makes it clear that providers have the right to restrict use of spaces on the basis of sex and gender reassignment where this is justified.
>The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) have published guidance on the existing legislation which provides much needed clarity to those offering single-sex spaces.
>Finally, this Government believes in the principle of individual liberty and in the humanity and dignity of every person. There are processes in place, with the right checks and balances, to allow for those who wish to legally change their gender to do so. We have listened to the responses in the Gender Recognition Act consultation and have taken steps to modernise the way that individuals can apply for a Gender Recognition Certificate as a result, reducing the cost and moving the process online. Everyone that decides to transition, deserves our respect, support and compassion.
>Cabinet Office
It's not quite as doom and gloom as you paint it
>trusting the govt to do good
naive
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/05/uk-keep-calm-and-respect-diversity-says-un-expert
agenda set, locked and loaded
The predominate reasoning behind the UN's statement was the state of trans healthcare with its waiting times, the rise in hate crimes and the failure to legislate around conversion therapy.
The EHRC said
>A change to the Equality Act 2010, so that the protected characteristic of ‘sex’ means biological sex, could bring clarity in a number of areas, but potential ambiguity in others. Our response to the Minister’s request for advice suggests that the UK Government carefully identify and consider the potential implications of this change. Should they wish to pursue work in this area, we recommend detailed policy and legal analysis be undertaken, in compliance with the Public Sector Equality Duty and with due regard to any possible disadvantages for trans men and trans women. There is a clear need to move the public debate on issues of sex and gender to a more informed and constructive basis. This would be welcomed by the many who do not take the polarised positions currently driving public debate. We look forward to working with the government and others to find a way forward on these important issues, but recognise that these decisions sit with the UK Government and UK Parliament.
Tweaking that definition will not impact the vast majority of trans people in the UK because as someone mentioned upthread, it was always possible to double discriminate on the basis of sex and also gender reassignment, and the statutory guidance has always contained that advice. OP is scaremongering (probably because it's part of scary rhetoric, but it's not going to "drag us back 50 years" or whatever)
aighty
i did write out a big long counterargument but i cba anymore
lets see how it pans out
in my opinion, we're fucked regardless, law or no law, so whatever
see you all in a few decades, gay liberation 2.0 gonna be crazy
(also bamp)
Note that the debate is over TWO petitions, one saying "don't amend the Equality Act" and one saying "amend the Equality Act". This is the government response to the one saying to amend the Equality Act:
>The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) have published guidance on the existing legislation which provides much needed clarity to those offering single-sex spaces. It does not change the legal position or the law. As the guidance makes clear, it is entirely acceptable for providers of single-sex services to take account of the biological sex of their service users. Where it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim, the Equality Act 2010 is clear that service providers can exclude, modify or limit access for transgender people, even where they have a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC). This includes where a service provider has concerns that the presence of individuals who are biologically male could prevent them from meeting their aims, such as in the example below, included in the guidance:
> “A group counselling session is provided for female victims of sexual assault. The organisers do not allow trans women to attend as they judge that the clients who attend the group session are likely to be traumatised by the presence of a person who is biologically male.”
>It is important that providers of single-sex services are clear that biological sex can be taken into consideration when providing services. The Government is committed to maintaining the safeguards that allow organisations to provide single-sex spaces. It is important that the principle of being able to operate spaces reserved for women and girls is maintained. Government is committed to tackling harassment and abusive behaviours by all individuals, and ensuring single-sex spaces are safe for those using them.
>If this happens, we're fucked basically, now onto the rigged debate itself...
>It's never been more over
As was intended from the begining.
Why don't trannies immigrate to Canada or the libtard parts of the US? The weather is good and you can get higher pay as a coder.
>The weather is good and you can get higher pay as a coder.
how hard is the immigration process?
If you're 30 or under you can get a youth mobility visa for two years to Canada
>The Working Holiday category is designed for British citizens who intend to travel in Canada and who wish to find temporary paid employment to help pay for their trip (up to 24 months).
If you're able to establish yourself a bit over there you can then hopefully find a business that will sponsor your visa longer term
Or alternatively you can apply for Express Entry as a TEER1 software engineer or TEER2 web technician and you'll go into a draw for a permanent visa
Dope, ty anon. I've not looked much into the whole process yet, since I'm still working on tending to my health issues so I'm stable. That's been a major focus of my life over the past year. I don't think they'll accept me yet due to those.
I can probably ask my company to sponsor me if not. I'm fortunate in having the option to mobilize to different locations internationally if need-be, might ask about that when I return to work soon.
>>The leader for the opposition side, who SHOULD be arguing to keep the EA as it is has been selected
>>They're an anti-trans activist who follows and supports a bunch of transphobic extremists, including the LWP who called for the elimination of transgenderism
>>She has openly supported redefining the Equality Act in the exact way described
Bro who the fuck allowed this?
Bump, most important UK happening in a decade
I kinda think that might have been Brexit or the lockdowns
Or if we're just looking at LGBT, probably the passing of gay marriage?