It wasn't a failed state or doomed in any way. If the war ended a year or so earlier they would still be around.


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It wasn't a failed state or doomed in any way. If the war ended a year or so earlier they would still be around.

  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was a time bomb. They would have to be very lucky to play all the cards right and survive for so long - something that was impossible for the Habsburgs and Hungarian diet.

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Immediately if they joined Russia during 1854-56 conflicts or Napoleon III prevent
    both unification of Germany and Italy, which evade disastrous world war….

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >A-H
      >1854-1856
      Absolute state of LULZ

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Okay. And?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Okay, and stop ruining this board you nagger

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ruined what?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Okay, and stop ruining this board you nagger

        >Hohoho, despite the ruling dynasty and controlled territory being virtually the same before and after 1863 ITS NOT THE SAME COUNTRY YOU MIDWIT!
        >TheY ChAnGEd tHe NamE!!!!

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >the austro-hungarian compromise was just a namechange
          you must be trolling

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          retard

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the austro-hungarian compromise was just a namechange
            you must be trolling

            He's talking about involvement in a war though. The survival of Austria Hungary later would greatly be influenced by the Austrian Empire being involved in a war in the 1850s to prevent German unification. The Austrians still has the same administration, this guy is just reaming him over semantics needlessly, and he hasn't even mentioned ah in his post.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's basically afghanistan from europe, even if they still exist, civil war will eventually happen

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >civil war will eventually happen
      >bigger untied state of the Balkan
      Unless imperial degree decided to speak Latin.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        probably

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was a time bomb. They would have to be very lucky to play all the cards right and survive for so long - something that was impossible for the Habsburgs and Hungarian diet.

      brainlet opinions

      Article 19 from State base law of general rights of citizens in Cisleithenian December constituion 1867
      >All nations of the state have equal rights, and every nation has an inviolable right to the preservation and cultivation of its nationality and language. The state recognizes the equality of all customary languages in schools, offices and public life.

      The Austrian part of A-H was basically a liberal state where nobody had any reason to complain. Its the Hungarians that were alienating fucking everyone and fucked it up. Trianon was genuinelly well deserved.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Trianon was genuinelly well deserved.

        based

        transylvania belong to romania

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          The transylvania belong to Serbs and Gothic, roma pig

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            kosovo belongs to serbia

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >muh brainlet opinion
        >agrees with me in the last sentence
        Default

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          it wasn't a time bomb or bound to have a civil war. The Austrian part had little to no issues and Franz Ferdinand d'Este would save the Hungarian part. He hated Hungarians so he was planning to fuck them over and that's a net benefit for all humans involve. He mainly planned to federalize A-H to give all nations some kind of autonomy

          Why didn't they create a unitary state with that constitution?

          Hungarians were being whiny cunts. After losing against Prussia the state had no choice but to give in to their demands since it wouldn't be able to stomp any potential rebellion.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hungarians were being bitches and denying the Austrians from extending the same right in Cisleithania towards their territories

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why didn't they create a unitary state with that constitution?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        but why some angry serbs nationalist kill archduke in bosnia

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Because Franz Joseph was a greedy bastard and broke the international treaties by annexing Bosnia in 1908. But to be fair, it was necessary since Hungarians were fucking over Cisleithenia by preventing any trade between the western part and Balkans, so he needed to find some way to improve the power of the empire and to pass the Hungarians and reaching Balkan markets.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >1903 corp legacy
          He a terrorist scum.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Let's be real, the Hungarian part was headed towards Carpathian Yugoslavia and would have dragged the Austrian part along with it.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Hungarian part was also an unpopular (even among hungarians) aristocratic oligarchy kept in power by Franz Joseph who directly kept it from reforming by not letting the opposition form a goverment after winning the election.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Franz Joseph who directly kept it from reforming by not letting the opposition form a goverment after winning the election.
          Why not? Was he being retarded?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Was the opposition related to some separatist movement ?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The ruling Liberal Party was the one that made the Compromise with FJ. Every other party was against it to some degree and wanted reform. Broadly speaking they wanted a system more similar to what was estabilished with the 1848 April Laws. The liberals were the majority amongst the aristocracy but not withing the whole population so the opposed the extension of suffrage (around 5%) and kept winning the elections. That is except for 1905 when the united opposition coalition managed to win even with the limited suffrage. FJ fearing he would lose his allies promptly ignored the results and appointed the captain of his bodyguard as the prime minister until the opposition agreed that they would form a government composed of (still pro-compromise) dissidents from the Liberal Party.

            Also fun fact: the Liberal party was pro-magyarization while the opposition was against it. Despite this most of the minorities voted for the Liberals because they didn't want FJ to lose influnce within Hungary.

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    the Habsburg Monarchy had no place in the world after the advent of nationalism
    it should've gone the way of the Dodo during the 1848 revolutions, and it would've, if not for Russian intervention
    it would've been logical for its neighbors to partition it, if it hadn't been for retards like Wilhelm II and Nicholas II

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >create a power vacuum in Balkan
      >balkan nations inevitably start warring each other
      >Russia eventually starts pushing in (as it did and only stopped because of A-H)
      >create 1,5 times as strong Germany
      >with no check in place Germany starts bullying everyone around (as it did)
      >Germany and Russia become allies (as they did and only broke up because of A-H)
      >the whole world is fucked

      Nah, some empire in Balkan was necessary for maintaining the fragile balance of power

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        a power vacuum in Balkan
        what "power vacuum"? there are still countries there which are more stable due to being nation states
        and Germany and Russia can vouch for the borders
        eventually starts pushing in (as it did and only stopped because of A-H)
        why would it? its ally Serbia got some more land with Bosnia, if Russia tries to expand further, the great powers will intervene like during the Crimean War
        >>with no check in place Germany starts bullying everyone around (as it did)
        great powers can still coalide and keep it in check, also it has no reason to expand further, now having all historic German land
        and Russia become allies (as they did and only broke up because of A-H)
        >>the whole world is fucked
        that alliance (plus Austria) basically existed already throughout the entire 19th century and they never started a war

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Power vacuum means there is no big power protecting that region by projecting its power there, the states can be however stable they want.

          Just look at what actually happened, you had some minor states in Balkan, and A-H and Russia both tried projecting their power, sparking several conflicts and unstability (Berlin Congress, Balkan Wars, Bulgarian crisis, Bosnian crisis...). There is no reason to assume that if there was Germany bordering Balkan instead of A-H that anything would change. Your theory that a state stops expanding once it gets all its "historical lands" is utter bullshit man, that literally never fucking happened. Imperialistic liberal-economy industrial nations of that time, especially the ones lacking colonies like Germany, needed expansion, they needed resources and access to markets to prosper. Since its reasonable to assume Russia would still try to get dominance in Balkans (since that is what actually happened) and its reasonable to assume Balkans would be a region for German export (since that is what actually happened) then only one of two things could happen, either Russia would make a deal with Germany and makes Balkan states its puppets (as it actually tried to and in some cases succeeded) and Germany would have to focus elsewhere like France, Benelux or Scandinavia, meaning a war of west vs. Germany+Russia, or there would be a war between Russia and Germany (as it happened with A-H in ww1)

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I guess Hungary would lean more towards Germany and Serbia more towards Russia. I don't buy this narrative that a war was inevitable, I think Germany and Russia could've coexisted well like they did the entire 19th century.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >like they did the entire 19th century.
              Germany came into existence in 1871, there were two politicial crisies in 1875-1878, 1885-1888 where they collided and eventually went to war 43 years (not even a lifetime) after Germany's unification

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                the German Empire was pretty much the same as Prussia, especially when it comes to foreign policy, and especially in the east. Prussia and Russia had good relations for most of their history, both being conservative powers.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the German Empire was pretty much the same as Prussia, especially when it comes to foreign policy
                Thats a big false, main goal of Prussia was unification of Germany and that was what all of their foreign policy headed towards. When unified, their foreign politics goals got obviously diametrally different, focused on improving and maintaining their power. For one of those, alliance with Russia was necessary, for the other, not so much.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    And the same fools who say that shit believe the EU will fare better.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If the war ended a year or so earlier they would still be around.
    If the war had ended a year or so earlier then Austria-Hungary would have slowly collapsed over the next decade or two, probably starting several civil wars and ethic conflicts that would do the kind of damage to the area that would still be evident today.

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