“It is only because man believes himself to be free—not because he is free—that he experiences remorse and pricks of conscience.” - Nietzsche
“We are perfect altogether; for we are, every moment, all that we can be—and we need never be more!” - Stirner
Your entire existence has been determined by factors entirely outside of your control; free will does not exist, and the notion of moral responsibility is a complete misunderstanding of reality; none of us has any choice but to do what it is that we have the will and the power to do; we cannot and do not ever choose who and what we are, nor what we want, and any guilt that a person feels for doing something in the past—or self-loathing, existential dread, etc.—is only felt by them because of their not having accepted those truths.
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We don’t have free will, but we will.
>free will is being perfectly rational
What a retard. X.com, not even once
What’s the point of having free will if it doesn’t help you attain your desires? Being rational and doing what you believe to be best for you is practically equivalent to having free will.
Nigga you have no idea wtf free will is conceptually
What’s the point of having free will if it doesn’t help you attain your desires? Being rational and doing what you believe to be best for you is practically equivalent to having free will.
The older and more life-affirming I become, the more I slide into determinism.
>Your entire existence has been determined by factors entirely outside of your control
How do you know?
Did you will yourself into being or were you brought here by others? Do you control the laws of reality? Do you decide what organism to be, or what instinctive drives to have?
That may be so, but my experience of conscience and remorse cannot be dismissed by a mere understanding of the facts. Determinism is a useless truth.
>Determinism is a useless truth.
Indeed. It baffles me how detetminists think that by letting go of agency they can somehow feel better. Determinism is basically just nihilism. It's not even fatalism in the same vein as the ancients imagined it.
The problem with believing in free will is that you are blind to how we may be improved. It’s not a question of free or unfree will, but a strong will or weak will. Some humans have strong wills, but they could be much stronger..
How can one let go of something that they never had in their possession in the first place?
I would rather suffer from believing my actions to be a reflection of my self than acquiesce to the possibility that everything I do is perfectly determined by my surroundings.
>everything I do is perfectly determined by my surroundings
That sounds more like codependency than determinism, hombre.
>self-loathing, existential dread, etc.—is only felt by them because of their not having accepted those truths.
Ah, so determinism is like a cope.
Influencing factors do not equate to preclusion of "free will". Are you devoid of free if you want to fly, yet can't because you aren't a feathered bird? You do have control over some things, and it is through that filter that you have the ability to "freely" exercise your will. Or do you truly believe you have no choice in what you say?
Hark ye.
What's the origin of that image?
>Influencing factors do not equate to preclusion of "free will".
If somebody claims to me that free will exists but fails to provide evidence or logical proof for that claim, then I have no reason to assume it as being the case.
>Are you devoid of free if you want to fly, yet can't because you aren't a feathered bird?
I’m assuming you mean freedom by “free”, but that term is vague. The concept in question is “free will”, not freedom in general. Free will is also not “freely exercising your will”. The notion that we “freely exercise our will” is uncontroversial—and not at all what is being discussed. The question is whether we are free to choose what to want and what to do in every moment of our lives—which, I argue, we aren’t. As far as I see, all of us operates under our base instinct in every moment—an instinct that we inherited along with our body, that we had no choice in having and operating under.
>You do have control over some things, and it is through that filter that you have the ability to "freely" exercise your will.
Again, the topic of discussion is not the question of whether or not we can freely exercise our will, but whether we have “freedom of the will”.
>Or do you truly believe you have no choice in what you say?
Do you?
>if you can't control every aspect of your will at all times then you don't have free will
Fucking stupid
My nigga do you know what the term free will has historically been used to refer to? Literally exactly that. Read a book, I’m begging you.
What a based quote by N
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Nietzsche quote doesn't say what you elaborate. There are free men.
>Nietzsche quote doesn’t say what you elaborate
>Nietzsche quote is literally restated in op
Did your mother drop you on your head as a child?
I mean OP didn't understand it and it's obvious when you read his text
I am op dummy lol how do I not understand it
This is why self-improvement culture encourages resentment instead of proper individuation.
You’re absolutely right.
but I still don’t like being weak
Nietzsche never did basic research and found out that most Hunter gatherers are agnostic and still have compassion, empathy, etc
He basically says that your subjectivity and sense of self come from the other, along with conscience remorse etc.
As long as you are you, you will be unfree because you think in coordinates that were imposed.
Free men are those that abandon everything including themselves and go crazy.