It didn't hold Rome. It wasn't the Roman Empire

It didn't hold Rome
It wasn't the Roman Empire

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Actually it held the city of Rome until the 8th century I think

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It didn't hold Rome
      ???

      It went without Rome for 700 years
      Pepin the Short has a better claim to the city lol

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the guy who never held Rome as it was under the rule of the papacy?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Took the city
          >Gave it to the Pope
          Yep, that guy
          As soon as the Gr*coids were unable to defend Rome they lost the right to call themselves Roman

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >took the city
            More like he just aided the pope by fighting off the lombards. Just admit you were wrong and got caught flatfooted

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Cope harder Gr*coid

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Cope harder Gr*coid
                yep a retard

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Peppin never travelled to Rome. He made war with the Lombards around North Western Italy

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >took the city
            beating the lombards hundreds of miles away doesn't mean you took Rome lmao

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It didn't hold Rome
    ???

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been reading up on the history of Islam. And how basically every single Caliph in the Rashidun caliphate was assassinated. There were apostasy wars after Mohammad died. There were multiple fitnas. And the Byzantines couldn't capitalize on this while the caliphs were killing Khawarij? I have to admit that my esteem of the ERE has fallen because of this. I know that the Byzantines had a massive war with the persians, but they dropped the ball on this.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I've been reading up on the history of Islam. And how basically every single Caliph in the Rashidun caliphate was assassinated. There were apostasy wars after Mohammad died. There were multiple fitnas. And the Byzantines couldn't capitalize on this while the caliphs were killing Khawarij? I have to admit that my esteem of the ERE has fallen because of this. I know that the Byzantines had a massive war with the persians, but they dropped the ball on this.
      you obviously haven't. The byzantines launched several successful attacks on the Syrian coast and slowly regained ground.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Christcucks were busy arguing over whether or not Jeebus should be painted.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If Byzantines weren't busy imploding themselves every other year, then in another universe they could have capitalized on it more.
      But Byzantium post 650s was notoriously unstable as well (see 20 years anarchy)

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They held New Rome / Nova Roma / Νέα Ῥώμη

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were nowhere near Moscow

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We're talking about New Rome, not Vatnikgrad.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They could have been saved, if only they listened to him...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >VGH If only they listened to some dumb larper then they would have magically regained their empire

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Byzantines
        >Calling anyone a larper

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > located in Greece and Greek Anatolia
    > Spoke the Greek language
    > Practiced the Greek culture
    > Were ethnically Greek.

    Ψε Ψυζζ Ρομανς!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >romans larp as greeks
      >greeks larp as romans
      It's like poetry.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        George Lucas:

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >> Practiced the Greek culture
      Only if you look backwards. Ancient Greek culture was destroyed and replaced by Roman culture.
      >> Were ethnically Greek.
      If you define ethnicity the same way as a dictionary does. Nope.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anatolia wasnt majority greek speaking. Only the west and phrygia were.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why do you ignore places like Capapdocia or Pontus?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          pontus didnt exist its a larp tbqh mithridates was made up fictional mythic character and the caesar furthered fake pontic lore to embellish his conquests in the area against dirty toothless barbarian greek colonies to the senate

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't want to play Pontus

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No shit considering 2000 years ago rome was situated in what is now Togo. Read a fucking book before posting again you imbecile

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it was "Roman", but there wasn't anything worthy about it after Th*odosius ruined it

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >3000 kilometers from Rome
    >Culturally greek
    >Speaks greek language
    >Eastern levantine death cult
    >No senate
    >No classical education in philosophy, rhetoric and grammar
    >No legions
    >No grain dole
    >No free citizens
    >No ancestor veneration
    >No culture of competitive litigation
    >No cursus honorum
    >No gladiatorial games
    >Martial culture of cucked obediance instead of chad conspicuous bravery
    >They even got rid of chariot fandoms

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      greek
      looking backwards maybe
      levantine death cult
      The Roman Empire was Christian
      >>No senate
      They did have one
      >>No classical education in philosophy, rhetoric and grammar
      They jerked over this just as much as the past did, there are actually quite a few manuals written by them on it.
      >>No legions
      Tagma is just the Greek word for Legion. Nearly all of the units in it actually had Latin names and were the same units that existed in the Roman Army like the Excubitors, Speculatores and Scholae.
      >>No grain dole
      Well not even the West had a grain dole when they could no longer actually sustain it. The same went for Constantinople.
      >>No free citizens
      Being a free citizen was actually a really important legal distinction. Emperors like Romanos II legislated to remove all debts to make men into 'free Romans' as a man 'enslaved' by debt wasn't free, therefore making them less in social standing, which was of serious concern to the state.
      >>No ancestor veneration
      Not to the same extent as the ancient Romans but it was certainly still there. It was in fact extremely backwards compared to Western Europe when it came to reactionary culture and worship of the past. They weren't willing to let it go.
      >>No culture of competitive litigation
      If you mean by juries, they had become defunct by the 3rd century. Late Roman courts were very competitive, some people even complained about how some lawyers would try to get their clients to find any issue possible to throw it into court.
      >>No cursus honorum
      Defunct in the 3rd century.
      >>No gladiatorial games
      It was generally on the decline beforehand and sort of just stopped in most places naturally.
      culture of cucked obediance instead of chad conspicuous bravery
      Obedience even in the Middle Republic was the most prime of Roman military virtues besides being the ultimate Bellator. That didn't really change in Byzantium.
      >>They even got rid of chariot fandoms
      Really just died off on its own.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If so much change is permissible, throwing overboard everything that made Rome Rome 500 years ago while Rome in those 500 years had high continuity to the Rome the previous 500 years ago, then Turks too can be Rome and we can say that it never fell, just turned into a republic in 1922. You have to draw a line somewhere.

        And yes, it's all a meme, all these things in real life arw decided by pointing at your large army and saying "because i say so".

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Rome Rome 500 years ago while Rome in those 500 years had high continuity to the Rome the previous 500 years ago
          err not really. Early Rome basically shares nothing in common with the Late Republic and the Late Republic nearly nothing with the Late Empire, although considerably more than the Early-Late Republic gap. Things change over time, it doesn't change that it's still the same state, developed from the same culture and the people have the view of themselves as having a continuity with that past. Sure Caesar would have thought of Early Rome as incomprehensible as a 'Roman' society to him if he actually saw it but he would have thought of Early Romans as his ancestors and thought he shared a link with this past. The same goes for Justinian and the Republic.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Certainly more continuity from early republic to late. You have shit like Brutus getting egged on to kill Caesar because one of his ancestors played a deciding part in abolishing the monarchy and exiling and killing Tarquin 500 years ago.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >You have shit like Brutus getting egged on to kill Caesar because one of his ancestors played a deciding part in abolishing the monarchy and exiling and killing Tarquin 500 years ago.
              This is more perception of the past rather than reality of the past. Early Rome was a tribal society more in line with the more advanced and urban Gallic people rather than what they would become in the Middle Republic, let alone the Late Republic, which in many senses was even foreign to the Middle Republic in many matters. Although notably most features of society and political culture and beliefs stayed the same for those periods. Early Rome on the other hand is basically prehistoric to us and when it came to anything other than military records, to the Romans as well.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Double digit IQ thread

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