Is this really historically accurate?
Is this really historically accurate?
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Yes. In fact, every wojak cartoon you see here and on r/historymemes is accurate.
There would have been knights of both
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The ideals of chivalry were introduced because of the behavior that knights were engaging in as seen in the second panel.
They where also introduced because you can't really have a society when your nephew or even your son in law acts like that.
But the thing is, how bad it gets depends on how far away you are form home.
Its basically a gradient where you are civil close to home, uncivil far from home, but extremely civil once you go to the strange alien cultures in the middle east or even further beyond.
Yes the Dark Ages sucked.
Thank Progress the 1500s/1600s and Antiquity were so heckin' peaceful and cultured!
Soldiers never rape nowadays, powerpoint presentations about sexual assault teach our boys not to rape.
Not all knights were the same, there were chivalrous knights, and dishonorable knights, with most of them falling somewhere in-between. Look up Pierre Terrail, seigneur de Bayard., he was basically an Arthurian hero.
>. Look up Pierre Terrail, seigneur de Bayard., he was basically an Arthurian hero.
>This did not prevent him from becoming a fierce and feared fighter in battle, if he knew no mercy either towards his enemies or towards himself: he knew that he did not thus enter into contradiction with the most vivid religious faith that he had nourished since childhood, since God had wanted him to be a knight and he limited himself to fulfilling his will, in fact, he never failed to place himself in God's hands immediately before every clash and every battle.
what does this mean?
Here’s more about him
> For the investiture as a knight that he received in battle, Bayard always felt deeply linked to the chivalric code of honor. Absolute loyalty even towards enemies, charity and help were his rules of life, in fact he did his utmost for the recovery of prostitutes and personally assisted the sick of the plague. While his fellow countrymen indulged in violence and raids, Bayard always remained respectful towards the weak and the vanquished, doing his utmost for their defense, and burned with furious anger in the face of all cruelty and injustice. He even used to pay out of his own pocket for the goods he requisitioned for the need for provisions, while his fellow countrymen used to simply snatch them from the peasants with violence.
> Since he usually led the vanguard in the advances and passed to the rearguard in the retreats, he ordered his men to extinguish the fires that his colleagues had set in the villages, and placed sentinels in defense of the churches and monasteries to prevent the looting and rape of women who had taken refuge there.
> Such was the fame of the magnanimity of Bayard that the people of Italy, who fled into the woods and mountains when armed men arrived, instead came running to meet his troops, loudly acclaiming his name and offering him gifts.
>Bayard then, armed with sword and spear, placed himself in the middle of the bridge, challenging him alone about 300 or 400 Spanish men who, although numerous, could not even make him retreat. Around the knight rained arrows, spears and spades, but he, dodging them, continued to repel all those who climbed the bridge to face him, until his friend Bellabre rushed to pull him away from there to take him to safety. His intervention made it possible to cover the retreat of the army of French and gave them time to place the artillery to be ready to face the Spaniards and start the counterattack.
Motherfucker held off 400 Spanish soldiers at a bridge, alone, in order to cover the French Army's retreats.
It means that Bayard believed that God had created him to be knight, and that he didn't fear death because he thought his death was already per-ordained by God.
Have you read his biography that got translated last year? My favorite anecdote is this
>Bayard knows his enemies will be going down one of two routes
>Has a guy stake out one route, while he stakes out the other
>Turns out, they went down Bayard's route
>Bayard ambushes them, capturing many
>The other guy shows up, wants a portion of the spoils despite not doing any fighting
>Bayard says he owes him nothing
>This raises so much of a stink the general learns about it
>General sides with Bayard
>Bayard has absolutely no obligation to pay the other guy anything
>He invites the other guy to his tent anyway, and gives him half of the spoils
>Have you read his biography that got translated last year?
??? Bayard's biography has been translated into english several times already and you can read them free on archive
Well, i went to a con a couple months ago and got a new translation of one. I guess I wasted those fifteen dollars then lol
No that reddit meme isn’t accurate. If a Knight got caught raping the king's daughter he’d probably be tortured to death. Even getting caught having consensual sex with a noblewoman out of wedlock would fuck up both people’s lives.
>the king's daughter
The women in the meme seems more like a low level noble if some random knight can defeat her family guards.
Women actually did have some agency if they owned lands.
>did the people who's main task was to extort protection money from the local peasants and prevent them from rising up act like gangsters?
It depends, if you look at the biographies of the first Provencal troubadours you can find both ruthless monsters, cunning opportunists and heroes that wouldn't look out of place in a fantasy novel
That was not their main function, though. They were supposed to protect nobles from other nobles after the Carolingian empire fell apart.
It's not, the birth of quite a bit of European countries' literature is due to courtly poetry and Provencal feudal culture
The Knights Templar were founded in part because the pope saw European knights as unruly scoundrels and wanted them to reform into more godly type.
Knights kidnapping a wealthy woman and marrying her by force was fairly common even if condemned by the church and not seen as respectable knightly behaviour
For instance, the knight Gilles De Rais with the help of his grandfather kidnapped a wealthy woman and forced a priest to marry them
> From his youth, Gilles de Rais seems to have been a living embodiment of the term daredevil. In 1420, while still an adolescent scarcely sixteen years of age, he unabashedly kidnapped his cousin and wife-to-be, Catherine de Thouars from her home. Not only did he seize Catherine, but further ignoring church laws forced a monk to marry them in haste. Then in a final gesture of effrontery to the church, he appealed to Rome to have the marriage legitimated on the grounds that his wife was now with child. Pope Martin V seems to have accepted Gilles’ words (and perhaps also his money), for June 26, 1422, a church sanctioned wedding was performed with all due pomp and circumstances.
This also shows the downfall of the Church during those years
Poor woman got forced to marry a gay pedo. It doesn’t seem like they had a good relationship since they lived separately for most of their marriage.
>Gilles De Rais
That man was literally one of the worst, capital letters EVIL, to have ever lived, poor point of comparison.
If he was a knight then it shows that knights can be total cunts
> In the meantime he [John Arundel] made his way to a convent of nuns which was not far away. Entering this with his men, he asked the mother superior to allow his fellow knight, who were labourers in the king’s service, to lodge in their monastery. The nun, weighed up in her mind the dangers which could arise from having such guests, and such a request utterly contravened their religious rule so with fitting respect and humility, she explained that many who had arrived with him were young men who could easily be induced to commit unforgiveable sin. This would not only bring dishonour and ill-repute upon the house, but peril and destruction to himself and his men, who on the one hand should avoid impugning the fortress of chastity, and on other should be endeavouring to shun every kind of sin.
> However, he would not change his mind, and arrogantly commanded her to rise, swearing that he would not in any way be deflected from providing lodgings for his men in that place. He immediately ordered his men to enter the buildings, and to take occupation of the public and private rooms until the time for sailing arrived. These men, urged on by the spirit of the devil, it is believed, rushed into the cloisters of the convent, and, as is usual with so ill-disciplined a mob, they each began to burst into different rooms in which the maiden daughters of important men in the district were looked after in order that they might learn their letters. Most of these girls had already made the decision to take the vow of chastity. The knights, feeling no reverence for the place and abandoning any fear of God, assaulted these girls and violently raped them.
Christsisters I don’t feel too good
Don’t worry. According to the same chronicler God punished them by drowning them at sea
> Not content with those crimes, some of them went to the lengths of committing sacrilege. For after first hearing Mass – clearly without any reverence – before the priest could put away his chasuble, they approached the altar and very quickly seized the chalice from it, gleefully, as if it were plunder. They then ran to the ships, with the priest pursuing them and demanding back the chalice, he threatened them with eternal punishment. When the priest received terrible threats about what would happen if he did not go back, he still refused to be silent. Instead, he summoned neighbouring priests, and processed to the very shore with burning candles, bells, books, and things which are required for the proclamation of such a sentence. There he demanded, on pain of excommunication, the restoration of the stolen property. When they did not see fit to comply with the demand, he publicly pronounced a terrible proclamation of excommunication against them, extinguishing the candle by tossing it into the sea.
> And, more terrible than death itself, men say, a vision or image of the devil appeared amongst them, which seemed visibly to threaten with destruction those who had embarked with John Arundel. It is not easy to describe the shouting, or the great sorrow, the lamentation and the floods of tears at that time amongst the women who had boarded the ships either through force or of their own volition, when the ships rose high into the sky as the winds and waves struck and then plunged again into the depths, when they saw no longer the likeness of death but death itself at hand, and did not doubt at all that they were shortly to suffer it.
The panicked crews then rushed to lighten the burden of the ships.
The storm, however, did not pass, but continued on for some days and night, leaving the ships at the mercy of the waves. Eventually, someone on the flagship spotted land – it was a small island off the coast of Ireland, and Arundel ordered the sailors to take him to shore. When some of them objected, saying the the force of the storm would cause their ship to crash against the rocks, “Sir John was furious and rushed upon them, brutally killing some of them, it is said.”
The captain Robert Rust obeyed the command, although he told his crew to make their confessions, “For there is now no place left for us to escape to.” The ship sailed towards the island, knocking into rocks and sandbars as it aimed for the steep slopes by the shore. Although the ship was damaged and taking on water, it got close enough to the shore for the men to jump off. The captain and others were able to escape, but as Walsingham writes:
> Finally Sir John Arundel himself also jumped, and reached the sand, but it seemed that he was too sure of his own safety; for, as if there was nothing to be afraid of, though standing on quick-sand, he began to shake the water from his clothing which had been soaked in the ship by the waves of the sea. When Robert Rust saw this, he thought about the dangers which Sir John had not yet escaped, and went down again on the sand. There grabbing hold of his hand he tried hard to pull him from his dangerous position; but in rashly concerning himself about another’s safety, he neglected his own and lost his life. For in fact while he was trying to pull Sir John with him, high waves of the rough sea at that moment were flowing in their own direction and as the waves came in further, they knocked them both down, and then when they ebbed they dragged them both into the deeper waters; and that was the end of them.
>le ebil face
mega cringe after being overused by ukrop reddit shills
Knight morality discussion aside, i am fairly certain that irl knights wore colorful clothing and decorations along with their armor like in the top image irl, not sure why the redditor/zoomer who made the image is trying to imply that it's a fictional thing.
Clearly the bottom "knight" is not wearing heraldic colours because he is nothing but a low born knave turned man at arms who acquired his suit of armor and made his wealth through trading, stealing and lowly mercenary work which is why he's not adhering the chivalric code of conduct. It just goes to show that nothing good can come from peasants taking up arms and getting ideas about changing their lot in life
God the left really can't meme at all
Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Every single person we ever thought of as being good, was actually an evil big baddie. Without reddit, I would have never realized this.