>No but ukraine has not ever used good military strategy as the only good strategy for ukraine was respecting the minsk accords.
maybe you shouldnt of sent boris johnson to shit on the peace agreements then
Hey Peter, Minsk here.
Just wanted to chime in and clarify that respecting my accord is the dumbest, most retarded, absolutely batshit insane thing you could possibly do.
Cheers!
>Just wanted to chime in and clarify that respecting my accord is the dumbest, most retarded, absolutely batshit insane thing you could possibly do.
yeah, destroying half of infrastructure of your country, killing 500k young males is much better.
Croatia won a war agains Serbia and we had minor infrastructure damage and minor death counts, yet it took us 15 years to go back to pre-war GDP.
Ukraine, without western support will need 50 years to go to pre-war GDP. And at some point EU and US will stop writing the checks. Nobody is going to finance 20 million slavs for free lol.
>Why can't Russia ever win a war >Armenia
bruh, you got BTFOed by Azerbajzan hardcore. How long did the war last? 40 days? Maybe you should just shut up in this regard.
Azerbaijan clearly is not afraid of taking Russia in direct war. They even killed the highest ranking Russian officer and blew up Russian "peacekeeping" HQ.
It's because Azerbaijan has Turkey behind them.
This loss is another Russian loss, really
>implying Putin didn't greenlight that attack, retard
why the fuck would Russia protect your shithole, if you ban russians and aspire to join NATO.
You will get fucked even harder by Azerbejzan, if you keep this up, cuck
Russia has basically totally turned this around from the Ukie counteroffensive last year. That one actually WORKED, the Russians lost huge amounts of conquered territory and a lot of men. If Ukraine had kept that momentum up they could have won this war outright. But the Russians switched tactics, dug in, switched to more of a war footing, and now they are in a position of strength, not weakness.
In hindsight, Zelensky burning through men and arms in Bakhmut was probably the war's second turning point. Even Biden's people told him it was foolish.
yeah, now it's basically a stale mate, but because of mines. Russian's are just incapable of demining the fields, otherwise, they could easily reconquer everything.
I guess it really is their plan at this point to collapse the Ukies entirely and just use the existing road systems to go West when all their soldiers are dead. Not a bad plan I suppose, though brutal.
Russia will be able to take everything up to Kiev with two or three dozen tanks, simply because they'll meet no meaningful resistance. The roads will be clear, they'll use those. Avoid the minefields.
We have to start looking at a scenario where Ukraine simply collapses, this is becoming clearer to me by the day. It's not even out of the question to me any more that Russia goes all the way to the Polish border, just takes the ENTIRE country. They'll meet no meaningful resistance once the Ukies hit rock bottom, and do you risk a rump West Ukraine becoming a base for US nukes aimed at Moscow? They're already in Poland, don't want them any closer, right?
at best they will take Odessa, maybe kharkov. why the fuck would you want to take over a country that is collapsing with 20 million mouths to feed.
The west will get the western parts.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I can't see them not taking Kiev. Just for pride. It's right on the river, too. Take everything up to the river, plus Odessa. Simple enough.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I guarantee you they won't, they need to hold the regions they take. Can't happen when people there hate you and want you out. Odessa is a strong maybe though, but that's really the last big city Russia can actually hold.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>russia can hold Odessa no problem >can't even hold Kherson >failed to invade Mikolaiv >didn't even attempt to attack Odessa at the height of the war >can't hold any territory west of the Dnipro >don't even have a fleet in the black sea anymore
How would you even consider that's a possibility open to russia?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
See my post above. Civilians will leave due to watching several years of military defeats and growing graveyards, while everyone present at the front gets killed.
The few young and middle aged people who remain will he hardcore draft dodgers who will either be apathetic or even welcome Russia.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you are technically right, they should do it, because of the natural barrier. there will be a BErlin Wall in the middle of kiev
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ukraine's population is not some static number. In the event of experiencing several years of military defeats and Russian advances, the number of people leaving will be much higher than it already was, until all that remains is several million of old people and cripples.
A county like that can be taken whole and modified in any way.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>several million of old people and cripples.
and who's gonna pay for their retirement lol? why the fuck would you do that? rather let the west deal with it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The West will pay for them and Russia will allow it, since the West will not consider the territory Russian.
Russia can avoid annexing everything for a couple of decades and just maintain a puppet state specifically for this reason.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
that would be the ultimat cuckening lol. but I can see it happening. also, thye would probably seize the russian ecb funds, which is 200 billion. They would pay it with that. But, even if they wouldn't, they will find out another way to rob you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Even the "freezing" of Russian funds stage of theft was blow to the credibility of the Western financial system. Countries all over the world are moving away from their financial instruments, especially currencies.
Actually outright expropriating it would be an order of magnitude worse.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>a blow
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Russia can avoid annexing everything for a couple of decades and just maintain a puppet state specifically for this reason.
Time is cetainly on Russia's side.
No need for biweekly peremonga threads
probably better strategy than the 1000 videos I've seen of russian squads trundle out of bmp by a treeline in the middle of nowhere, and then get instantly murdered by artillery.
It should be obvious to anyone with an iq over 80 that the objective of the war is to kill as many white people as possible. My guess is that israelites will be relocated there.
>It should be obvious to anyone with an iq over 80 that the objective of the war is to kill as many white people as possible.
they probably share Putin's goal of 'denazifying' ukraine. I mean, Israel is too dangerous and the Azov nazis wouldn't be too happy to give up their lands to settler israelites.
How can the Azov nazis be so fucking retarded? All Putin wanted is demlitarisation, promise to not join nato and protection for eastern russian speaking ukrainians.
Russia has basically totally turned this around from the Ukie counteroffensive last year. That one actually WORKED, the Russians lost huge amounts of conquered territory and a lot of men. If Ukraine had kept that momentum up they could have won this war outright. But the Russians switched tactics, dug in, switched to more of a war footing, and now they are in a position of strength, not weakness.
In hindsight, Zelensky burning through men and arms in Bakhmut was probably the war's second turning point. Even Biden's people told him it was foolish.
If I were the leader of Ukraine, and if I knew the war is lost, I will make sure I send as many men to die as possible before I negotiate with Russia to make sure that there won't be any men in Ukraine that will try to kill me for negotiating with the enemy.
It's easier to blow up enemy dinghies trying to cross the river and ukies wading through Marsh. Imagine d-day with a lot of knee deep puddles and grass
No but ukraine has not ever used good military strategy as the only good strategy for ukraine was respecting the minsk accords.
>No but ukraine has not ever used good military strategy as the only good strategy for ukraine was respecting the minsk accords.
maybe you shouldnt of sent boris johnson to shit on the peace agreements then
Hey Peter, Minsk here.
Just wanted to chime in and clarify that respecting my accord is the dumbest, most retarded, absolutely batshit insane thing you could possibly do.
Cheers!
>Just wanted to chime in and clarify that respecting my accord is the dumbest, most retarded, absolutely batshit insane thing you could possibly do.
yeah, destroying half of infrastructure of your country, killing 500k young males is much better.
Croatia won a war agains Serbia and we had minor infrastructure damage and minor death counts, yet it took us 15 years to go back to pre-war GDP.
Ukraine, without western support will need 50 years to go to pre-war GDP. And at some point EU and US will stop writing the checks. Nobody is going to finance 20 million slavs for free lol.
>butthurt belter
opinion discarded
Why can't Russia ever win a war
>Why can't Russia ever win a war
>Armenia
bruh, you got BTFOed by Azerbajzan hardcore. How long did the war last? 40 days? Maybe you should just shut up in this regard.
Azerbaijan clearly is not afraid of taking Russia in direct war. They even killed the highest ranking Russian officer and blew up Russian "peacekeeping" HQ.
It's because Azerbaijan has Turkey behind them.
This loss is another Russian loss, really
>implying Putin didn't greenlight that attack, retard
why the fuck would Russia protect your shithole, if you ban russians and aspire to join NATO.
You will get fucked even harder by Azerbejzan, if you keep this up, cuck
yeah, now it's basically a stale mate, but because of mines. Russian's are just incapable of demining the fields, otherwise, they could easily reconquer everything.
I guess it really is their plan at this point to collapse the Ukies entirely and just use the existing road systems to go West when all their soldiers are dead. Not a bad plan I suppose, though brutal.
Russia will be able to take everything up to Kiev with two or three dozen tanks, simply because they'll meet no meaningful resistance. The roads will be clear, they'll use those. Avoid the minefields.
We have to start looking at a scenario where Ukraine simply collapses, this is becoming clearer to me by the day. It's not even out of the question to me any more that Russia goes all the way to the Polish border, just takes the ENTIRE country. They'll meet no meaningful resistance once the Ukies hit rock bottom, and do you risk a rump West Ukraine becoming a base for US nukes aimed at Moscow? They're already in Poland, don't want them any closer, right?
at best they will take Odessa, maybe kharkov. why the fuck would you want to take over a country that is collapsing with 20 million mouths to feed.
The west will get the western parts.
I can't see them not taking Kiev. Just for pride. It's right on the river, too. Take everything up to the river, plus Odessa. Simple enough.
I guarantee you they won't, they need to hold the regions they take. Can't happen when people there hate you and want you out. Odessa is a strong maybe though, but that's really the last big city Russia can actually hold.
>russia can hold Odessa no problem
>can't even hold Kherson
>failed to invade Mikolaiv
>didn't even attempt to attack Odessa at the height of the war
>can't hold any territory west of the Dnipro
>don't even have a fleet in the black sea anymore
How would you even consider that's a possibility open to russia?
See my post above. Civilians will leave due to watching several years of military defeats and growing graveyards, while everyone present at the front gets killed.
The few young and middle aged people who remain will he hardcore draft dodgers who will either be apathetic or even welcome Russia.
you are technically right, they should do it, because of the natural barrier. there will be a BErlin Wall in the middle of kiev
Ukraine's population is not some static number. In the event of experiencing several years of military defeats and Russian advances, the number of people leaving will be much higher than it already was, until all that remains is several million of old people and cripples.
A county like that can be taken whole and modified in any way.
>several million of old people and cripples.
and who's gonna pay for their retirement lol? why the fuck would you do that? rather let the west deal with it.
The West will pay for them and Russia will allow it, since the West will not consider the territory Russian.
Russia can avoid annexing everything for a couple of decades and just maintain a puppet state specifically for this reason.
that would be the ultimat cuckening lol. but I can see it happening. also, thye would probably seize the russian ecb funds, which is 200 billion. They would pay it with that. But, even if they wouldn't, they will find out another way to rob you.
Even the "freezing" of Russian funds stage of theft was blow to the credibility of the Western financial system. Countries all over the world are moving away from their financial instruments, especially currencies.
Actually outright expropriating it would be an order of magnitude worse.
>a blow
>Russia can avoid annexing everything for a couple of decades and just maintain a puppet state specifically for this reason.
Time is cetainly on Russia's side.
No need for biweekly peremonga threads
They got all the pro-russia land like 2-12yrs ago anon
Affirm: Department of Defense workers all go to hell unless they accept Jesus Christ as lord & savior.
probably better strategy than the 1000 videos I've seen of russian squads trundle out of bmp by a treeline in the middle of nowhere, and then get instantly murdered by artillery.
It should be obvious to anyone with an iq over 80 that the objective of the war is to kill as many white people as possible. My guess is that israelites will be relocated there.
>It should be obvious to anyone with an iq over 80 that the objective of the war is to kill as many white people as possible.
they probably share Putin's goal of 'denazifying' ukraine. I mean, Israel is too dangerous and the Azov nazis wouldn't be too happy to give up their lands to settler israelites.
How can the Azov nazis be so fucking retarded? All Putin wanted is demlitarisation, promise to not join nato and protection for eastern russian speaking ukrainians.
>instead communist shill cope
baiting this board has never been easier
Is this gonna be the Ukie Battle of the Bulge? This seems really desperate and we know they're now low on men. A last hurrah?
whats worst, they actually managed to capture some lands and had good successes so far.
but, now the luck is turning, which leads me to think, russians just allowed them to do it, so they can TOS them all at once on the swamp shores
Russia has basically totally turned this around from the Ukie counteroffensive last year. That one actually WORKED, the Russians lost huge amounts of conquered territory and a lot of men. If Ukraine had kept that momentum up they could have won this war outright. But the Russians switched tactics, dug in, switched to more of a war footing, and now they are in a position of strength, not weakness.
In hindsight, Zelensky burning through men and arms in Bakhmut was probably the war's second turning point. Even Biden's people told him it was foolish.
Go back to twitch, gay chatgpt spammer
We know you will never find love, hook nosed rat
Can Russia hold both this, the other counteroffensive part to the east, and suicide their mobiks on andriivka?
Probably? The Ukies are almost out of men.
>military commanders needed
>train at home
>if you reclaim your territory, you lose
>>if you reclaim your territory, you lose
>be Russia
>leave Kherson on your own volition, because it's behind a river on enemy lines
>be Ukie
>send your forces over a fucking river into a swamp
>try to retake land this way
lol, 150 IQ 3d chess. I guess I am too retarded to understand it. Whats in that Ukie land, thats it's so much more valuable than your own people?
>Reclaim your territory
>your territory
>reclaim
If you have to reclaim a territory, it's not yours.
If I were the leader of Ukraine, and if I knew the war is lost, I will make sure I send as many men to die as possible before I negotiate with Russia to make sure that there won't be any men in Ukraine that will try to kill me for negotiating with the enemy.
The strategy is called "attack the enemy where they least expect it, and therefore where they are the weakest"
It worked for the germans
They've been trying to attack from there for nearly a year, I'm pretty sure Russia expects it.
Then why are they losing?
It's a river, should be very easy to defend
It's easier to blow up enemy dinghies trying to cross the river and ukies wading through Marsh. Imagine d-day with a lot of knee deep puddles and grass
>Then why are they losing?
drones. I remember Russians transporting a TOS system into the area, to smoke the Ukies out, and a drone fucked it up.
Ukies have drone superiority in that area, which allows them to delay the inevitable. Still doesn't mean it's a good strategy, though.
It was easy for Germans because they fought France. It didn't work in Russia.
this is the vibe whenever holols mumbo jumbo strategies like the big boys in tv or inprovise random command shiet always as seen on tv