is there really a "controversial debate" over genital preference?

is there really a "controversial debate" over genital preference? i didn't think so, but i thought about some of the bait comics that depict a trans woman feeling entitled to being with a lesbian cis woman who prefer other cis women and wondered if it was true.
i don't see a big deal over genital preference, but again, i've never seen anyone claim that entitlement in real life

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Greatly overexaggerated like most things by the terminally online.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Genital preference isn't a big deal when it's actually genital preference but about 95% of the time it's just code for "trans people make me feel weird and icky and I don't like them" and they think this is justification.

    Bring up SRS and watch them move the goal posts every time.
    You ask most "If you couldn't tell the difference would is still matter" and they'll say "yes (because)" lol.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes but only when it comes to men wanting to have sex with pre-op trans women, because suddenly the insanehons who claim that trans women are cis women change their stance, or anyone not wanting to have sex with a post-op trans person.

      Until trans people stop acting like it is wrong to not want to have sex with someone purely because they're trans there will not be a single meaningful stepforward in trans rights.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because a lot of SRS results look uncanny, and I’m saying this as someone dating a trans woman who’s going to get SRS. They’re just too polite to say it. Ignorant to say most of the time it’s transphobia when people don’t choose what genitals they’re attracted to.

        If they're also not into people with weird looking vaginas, then that's actually a genital preference.
        Like if you were only into cut or uncut dick. It's ok to have a preference.

        But when they really mean they're uncomfortable being with trans people in general, typically due to other weird preconceptions, they should just bit the bullet and admit it instead of pussyfooting around it and trying to pretend there's some other justification for it.

        There's nothing "wrong" with it, no more than there's nothing wrong with not being attracted to white people, or black people, or men. It's ok.
        It's kinda fucked up to say "I'd never date X person" rather than "I'm not usually attracted to X person" because this does convey some level of phobia or aversion, but some people feel that way for whatever reason and that's on them.
        Just don't pretend you're being totally reasonable in doing so and admit you have some hangups about X people.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lol no, there's a huge difference between an uncanny neopussy and a cis pussy that smells, tastes, and feels genuine despite looking “weird.” People aren't being unreasonable for not being willing to take a chance. Most trans women can’t word SRS to begin with. And if they were honest about not wanting to date trans women because of said reasons or, say, clockiness being an issue, people like you try convincing them they’re wrong and giving a million whatabboutisms.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            can’t afford * SRS

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If said people would be totally ok being with a trans person if the difference was sufficiently impercievable, then what they're talking about is just genital preference.
            Overwhelmingly, this does not appear to be the case in any discussion I have seen.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Most queer women - especially lesbians - don’t want to date trans women because many, if not most, don’t pass. The vast majority don’t have SRS nor can they afford it. It’s harsh but it’s reality because people can’t choose what they’re attracted to. Preference implies a choice. There is no choice here.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                >consent is sexy
                >NO NOT LIKE THAT!

                Hey there we go. So it's not actually just genital preference. It's also a bunch of other stuff. They don't pass. They're not fembrained enough. They can't get over their masculine traits.
                As said, the goalposts nearly always move.

                All of this is fine. People are allowed to have preference.
                I don't have a problem with it, I just don't like how disingenuous people are about it.
                Whole point is it's not just "genital preference". Genital preference is effectively a dogwhistle in the majority of cases.
                So stop pretending.

                I'm a fucking nb androgynous werido it's literally not an issue for me personally.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those are perfectly valid reasons not to want to date or have sex with someone, schizo. lmao You clearly don’t understand how homosexuality works.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Those are perfectly valid reasons not to want to date or have sex with someone, schizo.
                That's literally what I said.
                > there is nothing wrong with not wanting to date trans people purely because they're trans
                Also literally what I said

                >All of this is fine. People are allowed to have preference.

                Seems like we pretty much agree people just hate being called out on the fact that their "genital preference" isn't actually genital preference but a preference for what sort of people they like to date.
                Again. Perfectly valid. Just stop pretending.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It isn’t a preference, you dolt. People don’t choose their sexual orientation and there are no compromises to be had.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                people choose to be trans to hide being gay

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kys gincel, trans women aren’t repressing homosexuals. That is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lol wtf are you even on about you're just being defensive for no reason.

                That's literally what preference means.
                Just because something is a preference it doesn't mean it's a choice.
                You don't get to "choose" your preferences or "choose" what you like.
                I don't "choose" to like a certain food or have a preference for it anymore than I "choose" to be attracted to certain people.
                It's still a preference

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You’re clearly insinuating these women need to unlearn biases (you said they have “hangups”) when they simply aren’t attracted because they’re not attracted to male features. Which most trans women have by virtue of being trans.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, I do have genital preferences specifically. I like to fuck cis women, cis men, and non-op trasns women.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's not a preference it's a requirement on account of sexual orientation. like you actual fucking retard, how do you not understand that there is going to be no attraction if the other person you're with does not look or smell or feel right? i don't care that it hurts feelings or makes someone feel like less of a man or a woman or whatever the fuck, too fucking bad. quit using other people's attraction as a never ending source for validation or at the very least don't fucking pout when they don't give it to you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't say any of this you're losing your shit.
                Stop raging.

                You’re clearly insinuating these women need to unlearn biases (you said they have “hangups”) when they simply aren’t attracted because they’re not attracted to male features. Which most trans women have by virtue of being trans.

                I think they probably should unlearn some biases and be more open, not talking women specifically, this applies across the board. Cishets more than anyone.
                Lots of people have hangups and preconceptions about groups of people that at the end of the day are often harmful to both parties and limit their experiences. Both in and around sexuality, and in many other areas of life.

                But if they don't want to, whatever. That's totally up to them. People have experiences and feel things and sometimes these things can be exclusionary and hurt people, but what are you gonna do? Force them to change them? It can't be helped.

                I just think it's BS to pretend it's exclusively a "genital preference" when it usually isn't.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There’s nothing to unlearn because sexual orientation can’t be changed. And yeah it’s a genital requirement, not a preference. Being exclusively attracted to female bodies isn’t something that needs to be unlearned, that’s conversion therapy rhetoric.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >As said, the goalposts nearly always move.
                It is fine to move goalposts when it comes to consenting to sex anon, don't be a creep.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If they're also not into people with weird looking vaginas, then that's actually a genital preference.
          I've broken it off with cis girls for having weird looking or smelling vaginas before lol

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          Hey there we go. So it's not actually just genital preference. It's also a bunch of other stuff. They don't pass. They're not fembrained enough. They can't get over their masculine traits.
          As said, the goalposts nearly always move.

          All of this is fine. People are allowed to have preference.
          I don't have a problem with it, I just don't like how disingenuous people are about it.
          Whole point is it's not just "genital preference". Genital preference is effectively a dogwhistle in the majority of cases.
          So stop pretending.

          I'm a fucking nb androgynous werido it's literally not an issue for me personally.

          My point still stands, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to date trans people purely because they're trans. There is nothing wrong with not believing that trans people are as they identify.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Until trans people stop acting like it is wrong to not want to have sex with someone purely because they're trans there will not be a single meaningful step forward in trans rights.

        But how do you know whether a gay man who doesn't want a FTM (for example) is icked out by vaginas, or by trannies? There is no way to get a control group for each to test against?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because a lot of SRS results look uncanny, and I’m saying this as someone dating a trans woman who’s going to get SRS. They’re just too polite to say it. Ignorant to say most of the time it’s transphobia when people don’t choose what genitals they’re attracted to.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      If they're also not into people with weird looking vaginas, then that's actually a genital preference.
      Like if you were only into cut or uncut dick. It's ok to have a preference.

      But when they really mean they're uncomfortable being with trans people in general, typically due to other weird preconceptions, they should just bit the bullet and admit it instead of pussyfooting around it and trying to pretend there's some other justification for it.

      There's nothing "wrong" with it, no more than there's nothing wrong with not being attracted to white people, or black people, or men. It's ok.
      It's kinda fucked up to say "I'd never date X person" rather than "I'm not usually attracted to X person" because this does convey some level of phobia or aversion, but some people feel that way for whatever reason and that's on them.
      Just don't pretend you're being totally reasonable in doing so and admit you have some hangups about X people.

      >consent is sexy
      >NO NOT LIKE THAT!

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    amab + amab = gay
    amab + afab = straight
    afab + afab = gay

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. Even in the most deranged corners of the internet I've never seen someone say you must have sex with a trans person or you are transphobic.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It hurts my feelings if someone doesn't want to be with me because I'm trans, but they are entitled to their own feelings. I think it's like if you confess your feelings to someone and they say "sorry, but I'm not gay" or whatever. It really, really sucks but they're not wrong for not being attracted to you.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well howdy pardner what brings a real gunslinger like yourself to this part of the kitchen

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, like it's all anti trans psyop

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