is there any reason to use debian unstable for workstation use over something normal like fedora?

is there any reason to use debian unstable for workstation use over something normal like fedora?
not really interested in debian stable, last time i checked the stock stable iso didn't work on my machine

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >last time i checked the stock stable iso didn't work on my machine
    even the non-free iso?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yea i had to use the mini.iso weekly installer

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How new is your machine? The Bullseye firmware iso uses kernel 5.10 so should support most stuff but the absolute latest. I use the following and it works on my Thinkpad x13 gen 1.

        https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/

        I also add backports, contrib and non-free to the /etc/apt/sources.list file. You can just add backports, contrib and non-free tags to the main, security and update repos, but you need to add the entire backport repo string in the file as follows.

        deb http://<mirror>.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-backports main contrib non-free
        deb-src http://<mirror>.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-backports main contrib non-free

        The only reason I use backports is to download the latest kernel from there. Otherwise I leave the rest of the system running stable, instead of upgrading it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You can just add backports, contrib and non-free tags
          main, contrib and non-free*

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i game a bunch using lutris which updates frequently - i know the wine runners aren't installed by apt but lutris itself does a lot of fucking around with runners and such, is that available in backports for stable? not really sure what the debian rules are

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No idea as I don't game myself, but you can search through the backports repository for any packages you might need.

            https://backports.debian.org/Packages/

            And of course, search through the regular stable repository to see what versions are currently in stable.

            https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              looks like its only a few minor patch versions behind on debian stable right now

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Supporting is not the same as working perfectly, they usually need few cycles to flesh out bugs. I have Ryzen from 2021 and 5.10 had some problems so I had to use kernel from backports

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I have Ryzen from 2021
            what part of "absolute latest" didn't you get?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I just checked, CPU is released at the end of 2020, so it's almost 2 years old
              definitely not absolute latest
              debian stable is for 5+ year old machines, newer machines are still getting improvements and fixes, for fuck sake I don't have functional sleep still with latest kernel without some workarounds

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've just ordered a thinkpad t14 gen 2... I guess I should avoid Debian stable then? And aren't there thinkpad specific packages you can install for things like sleep (I think it's tlp)?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no, sleep is not working because there is some bug affecting integrated GPU that doesn't wake up from sleep, so no fix until AMD developers fix that in kernel

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                God fucking damnit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thou they fixes lot of sleep related issues in 5.14, 5.15 so it's not affecting every Ryzen CPU, just my specific, probably even my laptop, because every manufacturer has some customization in firmware

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                God fucking damnit.

                sleep works fine on my x260
                i just had to disable ~~*(tpm*~~) so it would shutdown properly instead of staying on with a black screen, draining my battery overnight

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >last time i checked the stock stable iso didn't work on my machine
    stop buying hardware on release day

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hhahahahahaa, for me, it's Fedora. Try not being such a loser.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      literally on fedora rn but the ibm association makes me mildly worried

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        take your meds. its open source

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          meds wont help me when the interests of ibm for fedora diverge from my interests as a user

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lutris is currently at 0.5.11. Debian stable is 0.5.8.
    https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/lutris

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And if you want the latest version, there's compatible packages from the openSuSE build service.

      https://lutris.net/downloads (scroll down to debian).

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, there isn’t. If you want use newer hardware or current packages because of things like development or gaming then Fedora is the clear choice.
    Sure, you can use Debian, but you’ll have to tinker with it and it somewhat ruins the point of using Debian in the first place.
    I went through this same thing and am glad I settled on Fedora. Sure, I wish my preferred desktop and server distros would be the same (even just same family) but unfortunately it just doesn’t line up.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong. Ubutnu.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's run by a bureaucratic democracy instead of a bureaucratic corporation.
    It's more flexible, with support for multiple init systems and an unofficial project to port it to Solaris and whatnot.
    If you already run Debian Stable on a server or something then you only need to know one distro instead of two.
    It doesn't have exactly the same packages available.
    Depending on your taste it lets you be more or less of a freetard than Fedora. (You can run it without non-free firmware, but add contrib and non-free and you can just apt install steam.)

    On the whole it's not a big deal. Unless one of these things is really compelling to you Fedora might be better.
    I do count Debian Unstable as "normal", FWIW.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't unstable kind of a clusterfuck?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Worked on my machine.
        I now run stable but only because I don't like installing updates and boy does unstable get updates often. And also because these days flatpak makes it easier to get up-to-date application software, which is most of what I really want to have the latest version of to begin with.
        If you're picking it just because stable doesn't work on your machine you could instead install testing and wait for it to freeze into stable. You can't do that with unstable.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Less major updates, longer support period.
    >unstable
    Testing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Testing has fewer packages and slower security updates, it's not strictly superior

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    test

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what are you trying to gain over Fedora? i don't see the reason to use Debian if you're not gonna use stable. RHEL is another option if Fedora moves too fast for your liking.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is no reason to use Debian at all, it shouldn't even fucking exist

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's probably because you used the standard ISO. There is a sepreate Image with drivers included. if you want an testing verion, go grab the weekly testing iso with nonfree drivers. Theri page isn't really intuitive but let me spoonfeed you https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/

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