>I want my computer to boot in less than five minutes
Hasn't been a problem for many years even with memory training on both platforms for the first time. >USB devices to stay connected.
This is more of a problem with the peripherals/medium then the controller itself a.k.a stop getting shitty cables and USB devices
Quick Sync, but it's a niche use, and I think AMD came with their own version of it recently, but it's not widely supported yet.
buy a gpu
better bang for buck at the lower end
better power consumption for laptops
>intel is cheaper for the same perfomance
not by a long shot their efficiency curve is off the scale for years now >better laptop cpus
now thats a joke
>Emulation is generally Intel sided but I think that changed already.
Yes, that changed.
Intel had some advantage for PS3 emulation and stuff while they had AVX-512, but that's not the case anymore I think.
It's pretty interesting how good AMD stuff is from 15 to 88w but can't really go below while Intels "normal" chips are horrible inefficient but got some gems in the low end.
Going to AM4 first time back w/ a X370 and a Ryzen 1700. I'm still running that mobo and have moved from 1700 to 3900x and then to currently 5600x. I'm now pretty right much at the end of life/platform and it's given me a good run for my money whilst offering clear upgradability path for the platform. Now, I think it generally offers the most bang for buck and at a lower power draw overall. It's APUs are rather more far ahead of Intel's counterparts.
Pure power/speed - whichever one is that and you pay the price for the performance.
One of the biggest reasons was I wanted to keep the power draw as my mobo is old and the VRM was hitting extreme high temperatures that it concerned me. I've had put the 3900x on ECO mode to modulate that but the well. And I don't really need all that cores so I'm kind of slimming down in that department.
As for the GPU, I went from 1060 to 2070 Super and now 4070 all on the same mobo.
RAM - Went w/16GB 2400mhz to 32GB 3200Mhz and now to 64GB 3600mhz.
I guess it's more of an iterative upgrade as I move along. Might as well be resourceful - I still have the CPUs and RAMs so I've got backup except for motherboard which there are now tons of solid AM4 boards - I can't lose here.
Going to AM4 first time back w/ a X370 and a Ryzen 1700. I'm still running that mobo and have moved from 1700 to 3900x and then to currently 5600x. I'm now pretty right much at the end of life/platform and it's given me a good run for my money whilst offering clear upgradability path for the platform. Now, I think it generally offers the most bang for buck and at a lower power draw overall. It's APUs are rather more far ahead of Intel's counterparts.
Pure power/speed - whichever one is that and you pay the price for the performance.
Pick your poison.
i would at least have pciked up a 5700 ryzen cpu
my 3800X still works fine so i dont see a reason to upgrade
>I'm now pretty right much at the end of life/platform and it's given me a good run for my money whilst offering clear upgradability path for the platform
Anon, there's one last upgrade for you. They're reselling x3d cache cpus that didn't make the cut to 5800x3d, so you're going to see a 5600x3d. Look it up, not kidding.
>Stability, performance
Been on par or near-par for almost six years now > microstuttering are of no concern on Intel based systems.
ROFL, you really have no idea. Brand-fag going to be brand-fagging
How is it better long time investment when it uses way more energy in the long run and the socket is deprecated after 1-2 generations? Both are pretty much equaly stable now, most of the problems of AMD were fixed by BIOS updates. You only buy it for the brand, don't you?
For some stupid reason, Intel is much cheaper in my country, like one of the cheapest in the world while AMD is fucking expensive so I stuck with Intel for another years
>Single core is better on Intel
Sorry this isn't 2018-2017 and eariler anymore.
Zen4 and Golden Cove cores are practically neck-to-neck at each other at single-threaded stuff. Any differences, although minor comes down to platform specific optimizations.
Which hasn't been a thing for years on both platforms.
All of the so-called stability issues are just idiots overclocking their crap thinking that overclock has no consequences. Protip: XMP/EXPO is memory overclocking (including the integrated memory controller).
and yet theres people in every gaming forum bitching about issues regarding AMD cpus where intel chads keep winning. Ryzen is a bad joke where the punchline is the idiots who buy them. Momma Lisa Su is laughing her ass to the bank.
>and yet theres people in every gaming forum bitching about issues
You have the same stuff with Intel stuff for years. You know what they almost all have in common?
The end user was overclocking their stuff. Can't fix willful stupidity.
Me and my friend bought full amd systems some years back. Ryzen 5 3600 with saphire 5700xt since all tech tubers sucked amd's cock over them at that time. His 5 3600 kept crashing at stock so he had to undervolt it, mine was okay.
5700xt was a huge pile of mess. Black screens, poor performance in older DX games, random crashes, really bad boosting with temps and clocks going everywhere, shit 2nd monitor support, overall shit drivers - tech tubers haven't mentioned it for almost a year even though it was present since the launch. I had enough in a month of owning it, rma'd it, added 50$ and bought 2070 super. My friend kept his. It got better after almost 2 years, but it still has poor support of 2nd monitor and it shits the bed from time to time on the second one going black. I had no problems with 2070s since i bought it to this day.
Later i decided to sell my cpu and upgrade it to 5800x. I also oc'd my memory and got it from 3200 to 3800 at that time. PC kept freezing or crashing. It usually took 5 days to 2 weeks for it to happen with just browsing internet or watching videos. Much frequent while playing games, but not that bad. I thought it was memory and tweaked it over a year. This september gigabyte released new bios update with new agesa for my 570x motherboard. I installed it. Freezes and crashes started to happen 5+ times a day. Thought that it was OC'd memory again. Defaulted bios - still kept happening. Turned off pbo - still kept happening. Locked my cpu at 4.7 GHz - still kept happening, but far less frequent. Locked it at 4.6 GHz and no freezes or crashes since.
IT WASN'T FUCKING MEMORY - IT WAS FUCKING DOGSHIT AMD CPU THAT COULDN'T HANDLE IT'S DEFAULT FUCKING BOOST ALL THIS TIME.
At this point i decided to never touch amd ever again.And since tech tubers shilling for amd never stopped i came up with a theory. They want competition to nvidiaintel so bad that they promote inferior product overlooking it's problems just to make you buy it.
>This brainlet turns on PBO which explicitly states before activation that it is overclocking. It may result in possible data loss, instability, hardware damage and to use at own risk. >>Gets instability, damages their hardware from running their stuff out of spec
[...]
it on the vendor for activating a feature that can cause this and only use it their own risk
It wasn't on. It was on auto. I just put it on disabled.
Also >Blames it on the vendor for activating a feature that can cause this and only use it their own risk
According to breathing cocksuckers like you we should all be sitting at nice cool 2133 MHz on DDR4 and stock cpugpu speeds.
>According to breathing cocksuckers like you we should all be sitting at nice cool 2133 MHz on DDR4 and stock cpugpu speeds.
If you care about stability and data integrity then yes. Overclocking is not guaranteed nor is risk-free.
Any computer in the world that does real work operate at stock speeds for a reason. >>in b4 "Intel doesn't have this!"
Enabling XMP and MCE on Intel platforms do the same thing. I have read and seen horror stores from it from users not understanding the risk.
>Enabling XMP and MCE on Intel platforms do the same thing. I have read and seen horror stores from it from users not understanding the risk.
Maybe. It's just my personal experience. I'll build full nvidiaintel next gpu series release - maybe they are all just dogshit garbage.
The only thing keeping X86 alive anymore is gaming, and AMD makes the best drop-in gaming chip, which also happens to be the best fps/$. So, no, or ARM for people that actually want to get things done and be social. Intel's coasting on i3 sales in the corporate laptop market these days.
>The only thing keeping X86 alive anymore is gaming
Nope, it is SMB and professional software suites that have been baked in the x86 ecosystem for decades. Gayming's importance has been waning.
ARM is just embedded, ultraportable and specialized stuff as it always has been.
>SMB and professional software suites
which all run great on an ARM or custom silicon backend running through an ARM thin client. what you think adobe runs locally anymore? >Gayming's importance has been waning.
Bruv last year was the biggest gaming market take in history. Gaming has a higher CAGR than basically anything except for hope-tier tech like AI or FSD, which all run on....custom silicon or ARM.
>which all run great on an ARM or custom silicon backend running through an ARM thin client. Obvious Macoytle shill talking out of their ass,. ARM hasn't done anything that has changed the landscape >v last year was the biggest gaming market take in history.
Via gayming consoles and portables >Gaming has a higher CAGR
Only on the software side is seeing this via
microtransactions, lootboxes, battle passes, gacha. The story on the hardware side is far less rosy.
I have a 3080 and a 4 years old 750W G3 80+ PSU. If I get a 7800X3D and 64 gigs of RAM, will it be enough? I have a 4k screen and 1TB of SSD, with plans on adding 2TB more. I don't plan on adding anything else apart from cooling.
Two reasons: I want my computer to boot in less than five minutes, and USB devices to stay connected.
>I want my computer to boot in less than five minutes
M.2
>and USB devices to stay connected
You just made that up
>I want my computer to boot in less than five minutes
Hasn't been a problem for many years even with memory training on both platforms for the first time.
>USB devices to stay connected.
This is more of a problem with the peripherals/medium then the controller itself a.k.a stop getting shitty cables and USB devices
lmao
buy a gpu
>intel is cheaper for the same perfomance
not by a long shot their efficiency curve is off the scale for years now
>better laptop cpus
now thats a joke
>USB
Throw out your HP and get a real computer.
one of those is a storage device thing and the other is a motherboard chipset thing so uh ok you can get a ryzen now i guess?
Mine boots in 20 seconds and never had a USB device be disconnected
>boots in 20 seconds
goddamn dude, just get an NVME drive already
I have an nvme drive, there's just rust that needs to spin up before the motherboard will let it boot
Quick Sync, but it's a niche use, and I think AMD came with their own version of it recently, but it's not widely supported yet.
Just buy a dedicated gpu, those have decoders for codecs and accelerators that are superior.
>those have decoders for codecs and accelerators that are superior
For some very specific codecs intel still have better codecs.
For decoding? You're insane, even AV1 can be decoded by a 10 years old CPU, on software.
Productivity stuff that relies on Intel stuff I guess
Emulation is generally Intel sided but I think that changed already.
>Emulation is generally Intel sided but I think that changed already.
Yes, that changed.
Intel had some advantage for PS3 emulation and stuff while they had AVX-512, but that's not the case anymore I think.
better bang for buck at the lower end
better power consumption for laptops
This, AMD haven't got the capacity to build anything like efficent n-series chips, the lifeblood of home servers and school laptops/PCs
It's pretty interesting how good AMD stuff is from 15 to 88w but can't really go below while Intels "normal" chips are horrible inefficient but got some gems in the low end.
If you're not anti-semitic
Good point. I guess I'm buying AMD.
Going to AM4 first time back w/ a X370 and a Ryzen 1700. I'm still running that mobo and have moved from 1700 to 3900x and then to currently 5600x. I'm now pretty right much at the end of life/platform and it's given me a good run for my money whilst offering clear upgradability path for the platform. Now, I think it generally offers the most bang for buck and at a lower power draw overall. It's APUs are rather more far ahead of Intel's counterparts.
Pure power/speed - whichever one is that and you pay the price for the performance.
Pick your poison.
Why go from a 3900x to a 5600x?
One of the biggest reasons was I wanted to keep the power draw as my mobo is old and the VRM was hitting extreme high temperatures that it concerned me. I've had put the 3900x on ECO mode to modulate that but the well. And I don't really need all that cores so I'm kind of slimming down in that department.
As for the GPU, I went from 1060 to 2070 Super and now 4070 all on the same mobo.
RAM - Went w/16GB 2400mhz to 32GB 3200Mhz and now to 64GB 3600mhz.
I guess it's more of an iterative upgrade as I move along. Might as well be resourceful - I still have the CPUs and RAMs so I've got backup except for motherboard which there are now tons of solid AM4 boards - I can't lose here.
i would at least have pciked up a 5700 ryzen cpu
my 3800X still works fine so i dont see a reason to upgrade
Based.
I'm still on my 1st X370 AM4 motherboard and went from a 1600X to a 3700X to a 5900X.
AMD's upgradeability is amazing.
>I'm now pretty right much at the end of life/platform and it's given me a good run for my money whilst offering clear upgradability path for the platform
Anon, there's one last upgrade for you. They're reselling x3d cache cpus that didn't make the cut to 5800x3d, so you're going to see a 5600x3d. Look it up, not kidding.
Depends what you want to use it for.
Also if you want to put up with AMD jank.
No.
You really really like Israel.
Israel's done more for my country than the US so they're great
Mobile and server = get AMD.
Desktop = get Intel.
you spelt Intel wrong it's 'RYZEN'
Why would you want more heat and higher power bill on a desktop? AMD/Nvidia is the only sensible choice for at least 3 years and counting now.
maybe you really need a heater for your room
i will keep buying amd cpus for now
Stability, performance, microstuttering are of no concern on Intel based systems.
>Stability, performance
Been on par or near-par for almost six years now
> microstuttering are of no concern on Intel based systems.
ROFL, you really have no idea. Brand-fag going to be brand-fagging
>ROFL, you really have no idea. Brand-fag going to be brand-fagging
fTPM 2.0 and infinity fabric microstuttering are no joke anon
>fTPM 2.0 and infinity fabric microstuttering
Now you are going full super-brand-fagging. How pathetic.
>intel
>e-core scheduling stutter
>amd
>amdip
arm is the way to go for a smooth computing experience tbqh
I wanted thunderbolt support on laptop. I believe AMD has fixed the high idle draw for the mobile chips so without that i'd have switched.
amd laptop
intel or amd for dekstop, both are good
>amd laptop
why? im curious because i am in the process of searching to buy a laptop
Winter is coming, electric heating.
That's a meme
AMD CPUs take just as much power, if not more
Maybe some of the stupid 16+ cores stuff, but for 6-8, AMD tends to take like 50W less.
Quality, Stability, brand assurance, better long term investment.
How is it better long time investment when it uses way more energy in the long run and the socket is deprecated after 1-2 generations? Both are pretty much equaly stable now, most of the problems of AMD were fixed by BIOS updates. You only buy it for the brand, don't you?
i like blue color more
That's a very mature way of investing your hard earned money. Why do you hate yourself so much?
because i didnt earn it, i was born into money
>russian spambot thread
kys
For some stupid reason, Intel is much cheaper in my country, like one of the cheapest in the world while AMD is fucking expensive so I stuck with Intel for another years
Single core is better on Intel and that's all that matters because most apps still can't take advantage of multiple threads
Is that single core here in this room with us?
Also, the performance is not that bad on AMD, considering the drastically lower power draw. Just wake up
>Single core is better on Intel
Sorry this isn't 2018-2017 and eariler anymore.
Zen4 and Golden Cove cores are practically neck-to-neck at each other at single-threaded stuff. Any differences, although minor comes down to platform specific optimizations.
>Single core is better on Intel
hello time traveler from 2012
stability
all that performance means nothing if you crash all the goddamn time.
Which hasn't been a thing for years on both platforms.
All of the so-called stability issues are just idiots overclocking their crap thinking that overclock has no consequences. Protip: XMP/EXPO is memory overclocking (including the integrated memory controller).
and yet theres people in every gaming forum bitching about issues regarding AMD cpus where intel chads keep winning. Ryzen is a bad joke where the punchline is the idiots who buy them. Momma Lisa Su is laughing her ass to the bank.
>and yet theres people in every gaming forum bitching about issues
You have the same stuff with Intel stuff for years. You know what they almost all have in common?
The end user was overclocking their stuff. Can't fix willful stupidity.
Me and my friend bought full amd systems some years back. Ryzen 5 3600 with saphire 5700xt since all tech tubers sucked amd's cock over them at that time. His 5 3600 kept crashing at stock so he had to undervolt it, mine was okay.
5700xt was a huge pile of mess. Black screens, poor performance in older DX games, random crashes, really bad boosting with temps and clocks going everywhere, shit 2nd monitor support, overall shit drivers - tech tubers haven't mentioned it for almost a year even though it was present since the launch. I had enough in a month of owning it, rma'd it, added 50$ and bought 2070 super. My friend kept his. It got better after almost 2 years, but it still has poor support of 2nd monitor and it shits the bed from time to time on the second one going black. I had no problems with 2070s since i bought it to this day.
Later i decided to sell my cpu and upgrade it to 5800x. I also oc'd my memory and got it from 3200 to 3800 at that time. PC kept freezing or crashing. It usually took 5 days to 2 weeks for it to happen with just browsing internet or watching videos. Much frequent while playing games, but not that bad. I thought it was memory and tweaked it over a year. This september gigabyte released new bios update with new agesa for my 570x motherboard. I installed it. Freezes and crashes started to happen 5+ times a day. Thought that it was OC'd memory again. Defaulted bios - still kept happening. Turned off pbo - still kept happening. Locked my cpu at 4.7 GHz - still kept happening, but far less frequent. Locked it at 4.6 GHz and no freezes or crashes since.
IT WASN'T FUCKING MEMORY - IT WAS FUCKING DOGSHIT AMD CPU THAT COULDN'T HANDLE IT'S DEFAULT FUCKING BOOST ALL THIS TIME.
At this point i decided to never touch amd ever again.And since tech tubers shilling for amd never stopped i came up with a theory. They want competition to nvidiaintel so bad that they promote inferior product overlooking it's problems just to make you buy it.
wow that's a whole lotta text i ain't reading
I'm grateful for a (you) anyway.
>undervolt
Underclock it, sorry.
>This brainlet turns on PBO which explicitly states before activation that it is overclocking. It may result in possible data loss, instability, hardware damage and to use at own risk.
>>Gets instability, damages their hardware from running their stuff out of spec
it on the vendor for activating a feature that can cause this and only use it their own risk
It wasn't on. It was on auto. I just put it on disabled.
Also
>Blames it on the vendor for activating a feature that can cause this and only use it their own risk
According to breathing cocksuckers like you we should all be sitting at nice cool 2133 MHz on DDR4 and stock cpugpu speeds.
>According to breathing cocksuckers like you we should all be sitting at nice cool 2133 MHz on DDR4 and stock cpugpu speeds.
If you care about stability and data integrity then yes. Overclocking is not guaranteed nor is risk-free.
Any computer in the world that does real work operate at stock speeds for a reason.
>>in b4 "Intel doesn't have this!"
Enabling XMP and MCE on Intel platforms do the same thing. I have read and seen horror stores from it from users not understanding the risk.
>Enabling XMP and MCE on Intel platforms do the same thing. I have read and seen horror stores from it from users not understanding the risk.
Maybe. It's just my personal experience. I'll build full nvidiaintel next gpu series release - maybe they are all just dogshit garbage.
>ryzen 3600
I return mine back in pandemic, overspend $200 because someone says it's ram and psu issues.
I understand people willing to pay extra to make sure things like this don't happen. Sadly I'm not sure intel is any better..
The only thing keeping X86 alive anymore is gaming, and AMD makes the best drop-in gaming chip, which also happens to be the best fps/$. So, no, or ARM for people that actually want to get things done and be social. Intel's coasting on i3 sales in the corporate laptop market these days.
>The only thing keeping X86 alive anymore is gaming
Nope, it is SMB and professional software suites that have been baked in the x86 ecosystem for decades. Gayming's importance has been waning.
ARM is just embedded, ultraportable and specialized stuff as it always has been.
>SMB and professional software suites
which all run great on an ARM or custom silicon backend running through an ARM thin client. what you think adobe runs locally anymore?
>Gayming's importance has been waning.
Bruv last year was the biggest gaming market take in history. Gaming has a higher CAGR than basically anything except for hope-tier tech like AI or FSD, which all run on....custom silicon or ARM.
>which all run great on an ARM or custom silicon backend running through an ARM thin client. Obvious Macoytle shill talking out of their ass,. ARM hasn't done anything that has changed the landscape
>v last year was the biggest gaming market take in history.
Via gayming consoles and portables
>Gaming has a higher CAGR
Only on the software side is seeing this via
microtransactions, lootboxes, battle passes, gacha. The story on the hardware side is far less rosy.
Reliability/stability. I've got a 10 year old (i7-4770) PC ( that's outlasted newer AMD stuff I've had.
WHY IS IT GAMER SHAPED?!
????
I have a 3080 and a 4 years old 750W G3 80+ PSU. If I get a 7800X3D and 64 gigs of RAM, will it be enough? I have a 4k screen and 1TB of SSD, with plans on adding 2TB more. I don't plan on adding anything else apart from cooling.
You guys are 'tards.
The average person doesn't need a gaming CPU.
Intel stuff is cheaper so people buy it.
Simple as.