>futureproofing doesnt make sense bc prices go down, not up
64gb today is still cheaper than 32gb today + 32gb tomorrow assuming you don't have any compatibility issues with adding 32gb rather than having to buy 4 x 32gb set later
I live in a third world shithole and can manage to find more of the same brand and model of RAM I bought two years ago, if you're american/yuro you have even less of an excuse
if you work with big data and you need to load it? seems pretty straight forward to me. I would've liked to get 128gb but my mb only supported 64 so that's what I use. I often have to splice data because of this
>prompt a lot >comfyui has memory leaks >buy 32GB sticks so it doesnt use swap >2 weeks later the bug got fixed >tf you can return up to 14 days since it arrived
feelsbadman.
- AI stuff (chatbots, image generation)
- A lot of video editing
- Compile large programs
Then yes, otherwise no
If on top of that you don't play the most recent AAA slop that forces you to use DLSS/FSR instead of putting some money into optimizing their game, 16GB is more than enough
You can get up to 4-5 T/s running 70B with quad channel DDR5. About 6 T/s is typical reading speed. Of course, it's faster to buy a couple of used 3090s and get 12-15 T/s, but there's some things you can run on your CPU that you can't feasibly run on GPUs affordable to mere mortals, like 180B in full FP16 precision.
I wish the new macbook air M2's weren't so israelily expensive with the RAM upgrades. I'd love to have that form factor and CPU with 64gb of RAM, but I might be forced to just get a Dell XPS or something next.
Well if your board supports it you might as well max it out. More ram is never a bad thing. I was running 32GB ram back in the day when most people had yet to even move to 16GB. (Still on 32GB now).
Applications will often use more ram if it is readily available. Similarly, the OS will use available ram to cache the file system increasing performance. Whether this is worth the added cost and potentially slightly decrease in performance of the ram itself (if applicable) is for you to decide
Pirate VMWare. Or Parallels if you have a Mac.
I run Parallels 17 and virtualize several Catalina VMs with 1 core allocated and 1GB allocated on a 32GB Sandy Bridge hackint0sh. A Windows 10 VM with 8GB of RAM and 2 cores allocated. Those run almost all the time in the background. Then there are dozens of VMs I run on demand with several Linux variants and most importantly different Mac OS X versions. I virtualize them from Mac OS X 10.5 up to macOS Monterey. Then there is one Android VM and several programs running, making me swap from about 2 to 64GB onto very fast NVMe storage. I also run one Linux VM in order to have an up to date Terminal all the time, as the host OS is macOS 10.13 High Sierra. Which is quite old, but has support for a shitload of 32-Bit software.
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I have 64GB
I do the odd AI stuff and the odd 3d modelling and runs VMS
64gb let's me do it all at once, but I never do.
I could have got by with just 32gb. But it's not that expensive so I don't care
What a stupid question. You could easily make practical use terabytes of RAM if you wanted. I mean obviously not you because you're clearly tech-illiterate, but someone working with real data solutions.
If you're gayming no, I was running 16gb single channel for a year, got memed into buying another stick for muh dual channel and muh big number, ended up doing literally nothing
Casual homosexual here
I got 2x8GB sticks of DDR4
I almost never exceed the memory usage above 50%
Hell, I had 4GB of RAM until recently and it was kenough
because the "untrusted" binary is compiling your "safe" sources........ and maybe changing the code to add backdoors
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Nah, stallman of all people would never do something like that.
Also, not how that works.
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Ken Thompson : Reflections on Trusting Trust
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because the "untrusted" binary is compiling your "safe" sources........ and maybe changing the code to add backdoors
What if I compile the compiler myself?
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lol whut??? with what?? do you hand convert the c code to hexcode, byte by byte using dd???
Maybe you skip dd entirely and use a magnetic needle to flip the 1s and 0s on the drive surface manually like a real man would???
I do the odd AI stuff and the odd 3d modelling and runs VMS
64gb let's me do it all at once, but I never do.
I could have got by with just 32gb. But it's not that expensive so I don't care
32GB is enough for vidia games, never seen vidia go above 10-12GB ram usage + about 5GB ram windows usage so you see 16GB ram is minimum and 32GB is enough for vidia and should last like this for few years
64GB is useless unless you do something else than vidia
Yes, webshit is going to continue blowing up and gigabloating, soon having less than 256Gb of the fastest RAM available will bring a basic, plain text website to a crawl.
Pirate VMWare. Or Parallels if you have a Mac.
I run Parallels 17 and virtualize several Catalina VMs with 1 core allocated and 1GB allocated on a 32GB Sandy Bridge hackint0sh. A Windows 10 VM with 8GB of RAM and 2 cores allocated. Those run almost all the time in the background. Then there are dozens of VMs I run on demand with several Linux variants and most importantly different Mac OS X versions. I virtualize them from Mac OS X 10.5 up to macOS Monterey. Then there is one Android VM and several programs running, making me swap from about 2 to 64GB onto very fast NVMe storage. I also run one Linux VM in order to have an up to date Terminal all the time, as the host OS is macOS 10.13 High Sierra. Which is quite old, but has support for a shitload of 32-Bit software.
I have 40gb. The only time i run out is when using RAMdisks + 7zip to backup my data to the cloud since i`m autistic about ssd writes. I may get another 16gb stick so that i could run a 20gb ramdisk + run 7zip with more threads.
>flash back 10 years >"Is there any practical reason to get 16GB RAM instead of 8GB?" >flash back 5 years >"Is there any practical reason to get 32GB RAM instead of 16GB?"
Nope
99% of people don't need more than 32GB
Out of the remaining 1%, 0.9% of them are going full retard and opening trillions of stuff at once, even though they spend several hours using only one
And you have the remaining 0.1% who are actually working with extremely heavy applications, but nobody in this thread is doing it with their personal computer, but rather they're using the company's workstation
yeah
when you code having all the space you might need is comfy.
in my case its 32 gigs.
for some it might be 64 or even more
futureproofing doesnt make sense bc prices go down, not up
>futureproofing doesnt make sense bc prices go down, not up
64gb today is still cheaper than 32gb today + 32gb tomorrow assuming you don't have any compatibility issues with adding 32gb rather than having to buy 4 x 32gb set later
I live in a third world shithole and can manage to find more of the same brand and model of RAM I bought two years ago, if you're american/yuro you have even less of an excuse
if you work with big data and you need to load it? seems pretty straight forward to me. I would've liked to get 128gb but my mb only supported 64 so that's what I use. I often have to splice data because of this
I do 3D work on a computer with 32GB RAM and I've often come very very close to running out. I'll probably upgrade soon.
What program?
Blender, Unreal Engine, Substance 3D Painter, Substance 3D Designer and Affinity Designer.
I added an extra 64GB to my existing 32GB setup because of and similar programs. I will never say no to more RAM for a good price.
>prompt a lot
>comfyui has memory leaks
>buy 32GB sticks so it doesnt use swap
>2 weeks later the bug got fixed
>tf you can return up to 14 days since it arrived
feelsbadman.
You can now prompt twice as much!
>64GB ram
>mount /tmp and /var/tmp to zram
comfy
When things you do use up most if not all of 32 gigs, upgrade to 64. How the fuck is this a technology board if its users can't even figure that out?
or maybe just use better programs that don't waste so much memory.
If you do:
- AI stuff (chatbots, image generation)
- A lot of video editing
- Compile large programs
Then yes, otherwise no
If on top of that you don't play the most recent AAA slop that forces you to use DLSS/FSR instead of putting some money into optimizing their game, 16GB is more than enough
Too mainstream, get 48
Gentoo.
fuck swapping
3D modeling
Like many things, if you even have to ask then you don't need it
llama
I have 64gb and would go at least 128gb when I buy a new motherboard. I currently have 38gb in use.
you could keep every program on your computer open at all times
I would advice finding a mobo with 256GB for local large language models.
>llm on any desktop CPU
so you can get a reply every 5 minutes? sounds fucking awful
You can get up to 4-5 T/s running 70B with quad channel DDR5. About 6 T/s is typical reading speed. Of course, it's faster to buy a couple of used 3090s and get 12-15 T/s, but there's some things you can run on your CPU that you can't feasibly run on GPUs affordable to mere mortals, like 180B in full FP16 precision.
If you only have 32GB you will be stuck running Q3 70b llms with nothing else running on your computer and that's kind of lame.
did some elasticsearch last year on 16GB, upgraded pretty quickly > new mobo with 32.
now into local llm, so upgraded to 64
I wish the new macbook air M2's weren't so israelily expensive with the RAM upgrades. I'd love to have that form factor and CPU with 64gb of RAM, but I might be forced to just get a Dell XPS or something next.
Well if your board supports it you might as well max it out. More ram is never a bad thing. I was running 32GB ram back in the day when most people had yet to even move to 16GB. (Still on 32GB now).
Depends on your workload, if you're gayming get a 32GB 7200 kit. 64GB/96GB for actual work.
Not even joking I can eat through 32GB like it isn't shit with all the tabs I keep open. I never have even 1GB of free memory.
Applications will often use more ram if it is readily available. Similarly, the OS will use available ram to cache the file system increasing performance. Whether this is worth the added cost and potentially slightly decrease in performance of the ram itself (if applicable) is for you to decide
I literally fell for the 16gb of ram meme. What a scam, 32 is the standard now as its so fucking cheap atm
Where are you suffering the most from this? I haven't had any problems yet with 16gb
more vulnerable to memory leaks. I play alot of shitware on my PC (like Black Ops III)
If you're using more than 16gb of memory you are running s¤yftware, not software
I have 128GB. The most I've seen used is around 80GB with multiple AI models loaded into memory.
Prime95 uses 100% of it when it runs though
sounds like i should get 128 for AI models. If its a choice between 64 and 128.
I wish my mobo supported 64Gb at 3600.
Had to downgrade to 32Gb and regret it constantly for the last 4 years
cities skylines
adobe aftereffects will crash applying a contrast filter with only 32gb
You can keep more tabs open.
I've ran OOM on 32 with zram and compiling and some other high RAM usage programs running
Wouldn't have happened on 64
>not having 1TB of RAM
lMAOing at all the plebs ITT
>not having 4TB
plebs indeed!
more vms
>VMs
Mah nigaz
>64GB
Are you trying to run 8 instances of Diablo IV or some shit?
What a stupid question. You could easily make practical use terabytes of RAM if you wanted. I mean obviously not you because you're clearly tech-illiterate, but someone working with real data solutions.
compiling big programs i guess, gentoo users know.
If you're gayming no, I was running 16gb single channel for a year, got memed into buying another stick for muh dual channel and muh big number, ended up doing literally nothing
>got memed into
this sounds like more of a you problem
It was, I guess Wangblows is doing something with it at least because it uses like 12gb at idle now
Casual homosexual here
I got 2x8GB sticks of DDR4
I almost never exceed the memory usage above 50%
Hell, I had 4GB of RAM until recently and it was kenough
Local models.
Data science.
Compiling.
>Compiling
if ur code needs 64gb to compile then you have written a bloatware
Yes. I also compile browsers, because I don't trust binaries enough.
Oh so you're a schizo.
How much of the source code of your browser have you audited to make sure there's no malware in it?
None. I trust that enough people have looked at it.
What I definitely don't trust is that binary contains only the stuff that's in the sources.
>None.
so what do you compile it with??? a binary???
Either GCC or clang, why?
because the "untrusted" binary is compiling your "safe" sources........ and maybe changing the code to add backdoors
Nah, stallman of all people would never do something like that.
Also, not how that works.
Ken Thompson : Reflections on Trusting Trust
What if I compile the compiler myself?
lol whut??? with what?? do you hand convert the c code to hexcode, byte by byte using dd???
Maybe you skip dd entirely and use a magnetic needle to flip the 1s and 0s on the drive surface manually like a real man would???
When do we 64x4 instead of 16/32x4?
I have to clear mapped file memory in windows literally all the time one with 32gb on my work machine.
I have 64GB
I do the odd AI stuff and the odd 3d modelling and runs VMS
64gb let's me do it all at once, but I never do.
I could have got by with just 32gb. But it's not that expensive so I don't care
If you need more than 32GiB you'll know. It's pointless to ask that question.
Hell, 16GiB should be more than enough for the average person.
32GB is enough for vidia games, never seen vidia go above 10-12GB ram usage + about 5GB ram windows usage so you see 16GB ram is minimum and 32GB is enough for vidia and should last like this for few years
64GB is useless unless you do something else than vidia
The existance of Chrome.
I'm a tab hoarder. It enables my sickness.
browsers have this feature called a bookmark and that enables you to save your place and then close the tab.
crazy i know but maybe try it
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nothing special, I just vida and youtube and only use 20gb on 4K.
I don't know but it's on its way.
loading 70b llama2 models and getting 1.6 T/s
Futureproofing for Pajeet and retarded Zoomers’ shitty websites with festering javascript frameworks eating up all your RAM
So pajeets can do even less optimisation.
I’ve had 32GB since 2014 and next machine I don’t think I’ll tolerate less than 256GB.
Crap is just so big now.
Yes, webshit is going to continue blowing up and gigabloating, soon having less than 256Gb of the fastest RAM available will bring a basic, plain text website to a crawl.
I still havent found a reason to upgrade from 8 to 16
Pirate VMWare. Or Parallels if you have a Mac.
I run Parallels 17 and virtualize several Catalina VMs with 1 core allocated and 1GB allocated on a 32GB Sandy Bridge hackint0sh. A Windows 10 VM with 8GB of RAM and 2 cores allocated. Those run almost all the time in the background. Then there are dozens of VMs I run on demand with several Linux variants and most importantly different Mac OS X versions. I virtualize them from Mac OS X 10.5 up to macOS Monterey. Then there is one Android VM and several programs running, making me swap from about 2 to 64GB onto very fast NVMe storage. I also run one Linux VM in order to have an up to date Terminal all the time, as the host OS is macOS 10.13 High Sierra. Which is quite old, but has support for a shitload of 32-Bit software.
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I still haven't found a reason for more than 8gb
RAMDISK RAMDISK RAMDISK RAMDISK RAMDISK
I have 32 gb and I want more
i am not driven by needs
I have 128gb in my laptop and Firefox takes up 84g of ram
You can compile Firefox with 64 gb, not that you need it anyway.
if you do video editing or cg
if you dev ram always helps
I occasionally need to run a lot of virtual machines.
This eats the ram.
If I could have got 128GB at the time I would have,
I have 40gb. The only time i run out is when using RAMdisks + 7zip to backup my data to the cloud since i`m autistic about ssd writes. I may get another 16gb stick so that i could run a 20gb ramdisk + run 7zip with more threads.
stable diffusionXL uses 29gb ram
>flash back 10 years
>"Is there any practical reason to get 16GB RAM instead of 8GB?"
>flash back 5 years
>"Is there any practical reason to get 32GB RAM instead of 16GB?"
The answer is still no. 8gb is enough.
And they were all right.
Future proofing is retarded since prices go down in time.
Nope
99% of people don't need more than 32GB
Out of the remaining 1%, 0.9% of them are going full retard and opening trillions of stuff at once, even though they spend several hours using only one
And you have the remaining 0.1% who are actually working with extremely heavy applications, but nobody in this thread is doing it with their personal computer, but rather they're using the company's workstation