is there a way i can remain a dainty twink without having to take estrogen.
its seriously over for me if i have to become a woman just so i dont have to turn into a gorilla
does starving yourself work? what about dht blockers? skincare?
please. i dont want to be a masculine man, but im not a woman.
No, srsly just start het while you still can
cut your balls off and develop a serious eating disorder
peter pan syndrome, see a psychologist
you will become old
i dont mind being old, getting white hair and wrinkles is no problem, the issue is being bald, hairy, masculine framed.
the solution isnt taking hrt because the idea of having a female body makes me feel ill.
Just do hrt then.
It's not exactly the same as giving yourself a female body. You'll still have a dick and your frame / skeleton isn't going to change.
wtf is with you pinkpillers?
ur right it doesnt give you a female body, it gives you a cone titted fat eunuch body instead. i dont want that.
i LIKE my body, i just want to keep it that way.
Stop lying you bitter fucks
you will always have a masculine frame dummy, if you don't wanna take hrt you can still look cute until you are 30 or smth, get laser, dht blockers and skincare (tret)
>dht blockers
you need both because suppression of DHT and not T gives you even more T and causes bones to grow
nigga your bones are going to grow if you are 20
so theres no way to stop becoming a wide ogre even with blockers is what you'ee saying?
are you 14???? your frame isn't going to change or anything
im not saying its gonna reverse it but just to prevent it from getting worse than it slready is. im 18 and had a late puberty, its already pretty wide but my dad is like double my width.
your dad must have way more mass than you, just look at other people in the streets there are hundreds of ~25yo slim twinks with nrmal width.
yeah but im short so even if im the same width as lanklets i still look more masculine
that's just unfortunate then, get a bf who love you for who you are and stop obsessing over this stupid stuff
>anorexia doesn't suppress testosterone
>Duta is dangerous and doesn't do anything but hair stuff
>fin doesn't suppress body hair
>No amount of skin care will make you stay boyish.
>Castration will prevent masculinization (but some problems)
>Bica monotherapy works (HRT lite)
>GNHR drugs = Castration (problems..)
>HRT (best solution jmo)
Idk I took hrt and I look like twink with small breasts at 31. Like its the best option. I don't think any gay twink would hate it despite how some of them fear it.
Also the dude in the picture had FFS surgery, using make up, and is using all manner of topical's. Maybe edited too.
I was castrate for a period due to pain medication (methadone)and because of it got majorly fucked 18-25. Like way more bone changes than most. I got way wider, my face got frighteningly masc, like stunted puberty can shift the time for bone closures.
Dont even fuck around anon, being a twink with boobs feels fine. What could happen does not...
i need this to be true
t. pooner
It is not true, your body adapts to that and in some cases the excess T transforms into estrogen
Right. The only real outcome is potentially excess estrogen. But most likely the excess T is neutralized by an increase in SHBG.
It's not a huge increase to begin with. Like 5%-10% tops increase of T? Kind of marginal.
Yeah exactly, literally not worth talking about at all. Kinda funny pinkpillers run with it to stoke fear
Agreed. Pink pillers should mention the permanent negative side effects possible with duta and fin instead. Those are way more horrific than a marginal increase in testosterone. Even when you get them and there only temporary its pretty bad too.
Reducing your neurosteroids can really suck.
Im confused as to what's being talked about. Are you guys saying DHT blockers are bad?
That is what Im saying as sometimes they come with bad side effects, and sometimes they are permanent.
Like increased anxiety
Increased depression
Lose erection ability
Can't cum
Lose sexual desire
Having permanent problems is rare, but no as rare as you'd want. Sometimes they inhibit the production of 5 alpha reductase even after you quit and it's used in more than just producing dht from T.
Fin is safer than Duta but they both have these issues. Like It fuck around with E way before these drugs personally, but a lot of guys use then and are fine, but plenty have had some real problems.
So no estrogen, no anti androgens. What exactly is your plan then?
For hair loss? I'd test Fin out and see if any side effects presented. Personally I'd probably just use E though, because I can't afford neurological problems, Im very attached to my hair and health.
If I were balding Id consider gnhr drugs or castration too probably. Esp if I had problems with Fin, and we're afraid to take E.
There really are any other suitable options Im aware about though. Although Bica mono I suppose is useable. But that's just HRT lite at that point.
I already take E if you meant literally what do I do.
The side effects are way overblown because if you look at the side effects in the studies of these same drugs being given to older guys for BPH/prostate stuff, the sexual side effects have lower rates of incidence. You would think older guys would have higher rates of sex side effects. What happens is that the people who are anxious about hair loss are also hypochondriac about sex.
I'm definitely not, but I have a history of weird neurological problems and finasteride made me feel really strange. It inhibits a bunch of neurosteroids. Other antiandrogens were fine.
I don't know, it def happens i can't know if people are over concerned, because a lot of these neurological side effects were stuff people were unaware about.
I still wouldnt fuck around with it.
>made up pop science syndrome
>see a psychologist
kek
Polyphia sucks and Tim is an AGP sissy
estrogen doesn't even work for this, it's unironically a meme peddled by balding hons who want to create even more miserable non-passing troons they can use to feel better about themselves
It does tho and you can add bica or data anyway
If that pic is you, you'll be like top 1% of 1% for mtf or hrt femboys or whatever.
that is not op and also photoshopped even though the actual person in the pic (tim henson) could probably pass easily
oops forgot pic. he's 29. after a certain part its just genetics (as well as diet and taking care of your body) and no amount of hormones is really going to change that.
or be asian, then you look young til you're 50. either works
Seriously thought this guy was a pooner, he sounds like one too. I've seen things about how he got some procedures done tho, which might be true after seeing some earlier pictures of him
Good guitarist either way
that's not photoshopped it's just him doing makeup
you're right. point stands about
tho
well, you can be bowie, first you need to move to berlin and do tons of drugs and release a rock album though
Estrogen doesnt make a male a twink it makes them dumpy and weird
estrogen makes you a twink a lot more easily than it makes you a woman
except for the tits
also the whole erectile dysfunction and atrophy thing will mess you up unless you're secretly a tranny, of course
yeah but tits are nice
you can be a twink with tits
genital atrophy is only an issue if you're a top
a twink with tits is a tranny
oh well
you're already a tranny if you're unironically considering taking estrogen
the rest is just haggling
at some point you are start aging and how you respond will decide if you own it and age gracefully and still remain fem/androgynous and dainty (but not exactly a "twink" anymore or hit the wall trying to stay young forever. what im saying is your choice is you can be david bowie or boy george
>your choice is you can be david bowie
damn I can just choose to be david bowie?
How come more men don't just choose to age like that?
Skin care, eating healthy balanced meals, sunscreen, avoiding red meat, sunscreen, getting enough sleep, sunscreen
hahaha holy shit it's going to be so funny seeing how the guy in OP pic looks in 10 years after twink death
wonder how the neck tattoo and eyeliner is going to look then 🙁
he is already 29
alright that's it I'm giving up
t. always assumed Tim was a zoomer and like 23 tops
old guys with tattoos look fine
>is there a way i can remain a dainty twink without having to take estrogen.
>its seriously over for me if i have to become a woman just so i dont have to turn into a gorilla
for what it's worth it's very likely ALL estrogen will do is turn you into a twink.
t. permatwink
From aged out twink------> reborn as a twink once again.
>aged out twink------> reborn as a twink
yeah I basically just aged down 6 years in 6 months of estrogen
based twink
That's basically what it did for me. But now I kind just look my own age due to being more twink-hon than twink(and anorexia for awhile...)
I agree, its an overblown worry at certain ages, and presentation accounts for a fucking lot too if you don't wanna be a "girl"
I know for everyone of these threads the OP would be happy with it, they just are so scared for no good reason.
Sorry you didn't get all that you had wanted though anonette. What exactly are you left desiring? Is their any hope with surgical interventions?
Boobs and face mostly. I really loath the idea of surgery at all because it's supposed to be MY body, not some doctor's. So I want them to be MY breasts. The face I have mostly settled into the idea I will have to get it fixed because surgery is the only way to fix it and getting something reduced feels less emotionally invasive than having something added. Plus I am still holding out a stupid hope that somehow I will chance upon the right combination of things that will give me breasts for once.
Also the older you get the more strange it will be to others that you look like a teenage or early 20s twink. It goes from people thinking less that you take good care of yourself or look good for your age and more that There Is Something Wrong With You. It really sucks because when I started I thought maybe just being a permatwink would be enough because then nobody would know and I would be kept safe by that but now that it's all that happened I realized it's not enough so I feel very cursed by god for foolishly thinking I wanted it instead of committing to at least acknowledging what I really wanted. that's just life i guess.
I feel you anonette, it's kind rough being a twink rather than a woman after a certain age. Looking like a girly boy in your 30's kind pushes you into a odd place socially. It's strange to men or woman , when your register as boyish or on the cusp of female and way below your age either way.I totally get the surgery thing to, it's just kind of unattractive as an idea. FFS is kind of just a requirement though...
If you have done a cycle with domperidone I highly suggest it, as it just plainly works.
If you quit E while taking GNHR drugs like lupron, for 2 months or so, the get back on E that can trigger a new cycle for breast growth.
Alternatively you can run 100pg/ml about(entire injection cycle, low doses every other day) while taking 200mg's of progesterone rectally for a couple months can trigger new breast growth. Breast growth is cyclical and not linear so you can induce a new cycle. A lot of trannies end up doing accidently even.
>acknowledging what I really wanted
That hurts to read, but I hope what you really want is still within reach if but maybe with some time anonette.
But not even moderate anorexia, puts a major dent in testosterone, caloric restriction sure as fuck doesnt. I agree it slows down aging, but when ppl wanna retain their twinkiness it's not entirely about aging, but avoiding masculinization.
I just making that clear, it's a good suggestion just useless for preventing testosterone production and masculinization that it confers.
ironically i was never a twink before and even though people regularly think i'm much younger than i am i did not look like this at all when i was younger. still, for me, it's not enough and not the result i wanted but it's important to acknowledge that yes sometimes it's all that happens for some people. it's not uncommon and people should be less worried about having drastic life changing results.
Definitely get on DHT blockers. Dutasteride is a must for twinks and is perfectly safe for cis males. Get bloodwork done if concerned.
For skincare, aside from always wearing sunscreen, you should also moisturize and use tretinoin or tazarotene. If you have facial hair consider laser. You can also get a tinted sunscreen / moisturizer or bb/cc cream.
Starving yourself works. But you don’t want to be malnourished. Caloric restriction is the one thing proven over and over again to extend lifespan in all lifeforms. Don’t “starve” yourself, but just don’t overeat. The less you eat, the longer you will live. It slows down aging, it slows down everything. Consider intermittent fasting too.
You are only 18. Don’t do anything else.
Caloric restriction doesn't stop testosterone production though. Anything else is like putting out the small fires engulfing your house while The walla are burning.T is the biggest obstacle to being boyish. Also I'd suggest minimizing iron intake to a point. No need for 15mg's a day. Animals on a restricted iron diet aged less.
It slows down everything. There is more to aging than just testosterone as well.
The whole point of being a twink is being young. Just take estrogen and boymode
>but I don't wanna be a gross tranny with cone tits
Either cope with them or mastectomy. It's really that simple.
>neck tattoo
jesus christ what a waste.
> i don't want to link like a girl, I want to look like a twink
>*post guy who looks like a girl with makeup on*
I can't take you people seriously. Why not be a normal gay dude and accept you can't be a twink forever. It's either age like a man or age like a woman. Those are the only 2 choices. You can still be an attractive dude, just not a twink. Exercise, skin care, dht blockers, and a good diet will prevent you from looking like shit. Again, you'll still be masculine but you won't be ugly.
>me on the left
it fucking hurts bros
It is time... to grow your own little cone titties, OP.
EAT TITTY SKITTLES
DON YOUR HOODIE