Is the 911 style rear engine the most fundamentally capable layout?

Like having no weight up front is so beautiful if you want killer lap times. Obv u have to be a fricking serial killer to push the limits of a rwd 911, but assuming you are jenson bundy behind the wheel, the 911 is so quick to get to its grip limits.
>Inb4 Op is a fricking huge vegana

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Capable of what? Killing you with snap oversteer? How many celebrities have they killed? If RR vehicles were good race cars would be RR but they're all MR.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      911s are really fun with no weight up front. It's different from a mid engine car. Then I swear there's something with the gearing that make 911s just want to go. Like the car is begging you to floor it and whip it around corners. You never feel like the engine is in the wrong spot.

      >How many celebrities have they killed?
      Kek, I don't watch TMZ

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Kek, I don't watch TMZ
        They were killing them way before the internet.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's not rear engined

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's a rear biased MR.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not a 911 or rear engined you idiot

          https://i.imgur.com/UrejHcc.jpg

          Like having no weight up front is so beautiful if you want killer lap times. Obv u have to be a fricking serial killer to push the limits of a rwd 911, but assuming you are jenson bundy behind the wheel, the 911 is so quick to get to its grip limits.
          >Inb4 Op is a fricking huge vegana

          Yes only downside is that you cant see the engine

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >gearing
        the worst part of 911s - geared for autobahn runs and not teh twisties so you get stuck in 3rd gear for everything

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh right i forgot that celebrities are world class drivers

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean they generally own multiple powerful vehicles. This place can't even keep a 100hp Volvo on the road.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >How many celebrities have they killed
      Probably less than drugs, but who cares

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    MR is superior for aero.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, not really. It's a compromise that originally started because they wanted the 911 to be 2+2, and has only continued due to tradition. Porsche has just refined the formula so much that its weaknesses have been minimized and it's strengths amplified. Even still, it's not quite as good as mid engine. See: 911 RSR

    IMO they're really fun to drive, though.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The RSR was allegedly a tradeoff for aero reasons, sacrificing low-speed traction for a much bigger diffuser

      It's a rear biased MR.

      So not rear engined, it doesn't sit behind the axle like on the 911

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So not rear engined, it doesn't sit behind the axle like on the 911
        Yet it still kills you . So imagine one with an even heavier engine actually in the rear.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is the gt2 rs manthey the fastest non hybrid street legal on nurburgschlieffe then?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        If someone mentions the amg one im gonna fricking snap

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The decision for MR in the RSR had mostly to do with aero, not car balance. Having the engine in the rear is only annoying when you need the diffuser to take up the same spot. The cup and GT3 cars are both RR still and with the death of GTE that'll stay that way.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The decision for MR in the RSR had mostly to do with aero, not car balance
        "When I took over Motorsport in 2014, there had already been some studies for, let me say, optimized weight distribution," said Walliser. "In March 2015, we made the final decision with the board and everything–the concept was there, and we did the studies, then we started with the engineering."

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The decision for MR in the RSR had mostly to do with aero, not car balance
        "When I took over Motorsport in 2014, there had already been some studies for, let me say, optimized weight distribution," said Walliser. "In March 2015, we made the final decision with the board and everything–the concept was there, and we did the studies, then we started with the engineering."

        both of these answers are correct; the RSR went mid-engined for weight distribution (every GTE car has become mid-engined) and for increased diffuser size

        Why is the gt2 rs manthey the fastest non hybrid street legal on nurburgschlieffe then?

        the GT2 RS set the ring record for multiple reasons
        1. porsche are competitive autists
        2. the GT2 RS is incredibly capable because of the multiple decades of development behind it
        3. other car manufacturers who have cars of comparable performance (aventador SVJ, viper ACR, etc.) don't care enough to try to beat porsche

        ultimately, the most fundamentally capable drivetrain layout for a racing machine is one where the centre-of-balance, centre-of-gravity and centre-of-mass are all in the dead centre of the car in the same spot, if possible
        that creates the lowest possible polar moment of inertia and this has been the ultimate goal of race car designers for the last few decades and we won't reach it for some time because the technology just isn't advanced enough yet
        right now we just have to make do with what we've got so mid-engined and rear-wheel drive is the way to go

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >”porsche are competitive autists”
          Even if this wasnt the equivalent statement as “porsche stole your girlfriend, dumped her, and she killed herself”
          I would say there would be nothing better to make 88 proud than to continue his belief in german ENG superiority via motorsportenschaftenhauzen

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Dude the 919 evo did a 5:19 on nurburgring. Even if the pinnacle has not been reached, good fricking like getting below 5:00 min any time soon. What im saying is that these hypotheticals of where to put weight etc are already at the diminishing returns stage of development. If you upgraded the 919 evo to meet all your hypothetical weight/balance specs, i seriously doubt it would get below 5 min. Id be surprised if 5 minutes gets broken before we are all already dead. You might need an antimatter powerplant or something. But at that point its just stupid. The most important thing at a track like burger is downforce, and the 919 evo has pretty much the pinnacle wrt that.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            the 919 is getting close to the ideal race car but the LMP1 regulations were too restrictive still
            the main reason for the record-breaking speed of the 919 evo wasn't because of the aforementioned chassis parameters, it was because they were able to abandon restrictive LMP1 requirements to further increase the car's speed, very simple stuff like removing the headlights and windscreen wiper to save weight, adding larger front and rear wings to increase downforce, stuff like that

            cars decades from now, assuming they will be allowed to race, won't look like cars today at all
            the 919 evo won't be possible to meet perfect hypothetical weight and balance specifications because everything is done on CAD, the entire thing would have to be redesigned from scratch and it's clear that even with the 919 evo, human reflexes are beginning to reach the limit so either specialist training to improve that will be necessary or new control systems to control the car will be required, or a combination of both

            either way, top race cars in the year 2060 won't have people sitting down in wienerpits like they do today
            i expect them to be laying down almost flat like they're in a coffin with everything built around them
            that's the only way to achieve full balance to the nth degree

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >i expect them to be laying down almost flat like they're in a coffin with everything built around them

            >time is a flat circle

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it was because they were able to abandon restrictive LMP1 requirements to further increase the car's speed
            And even then lmp1 was so restrictive in that a w11 Mercedes beats it at spa. Why are guys at Mercedes not like guys at Porsche? They should have done the same thing

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The rules in GTE made the 911 con competitive due to the diffuser being the best spot to get an advatange.

        The RSR existed purely because the rules wrote the 911 out of the top tier of cars.

        I also don’t think Porsche would say RR is better than MR. And Audi woidont day FF/FAwd is better then MR.

        But they’re both unique and fun and competitive

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Works great for most buses too.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I got very close to getting a bus to make a schoolie, and people definitely preferred the "pusher" models across the board.

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