is the 2 seconds finality going to be a problem going forward?

is the 2 seconds finality going to be a problem going forward? does this mean there will be no multiplayer games on ic or is this something that can be fixed along the way?

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    i was wondering the same thing granted im not sure they ever intended for it to run games

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      they're constantly marketing their product as a world computer but it cannot run multiplayer games. did Dom betray us?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        see

        The game doesnt do any transactions its just hosted by the nodes. When they do something dAppy like charging icp for a gun skin and making sure you own the gun skin, that would be where you see a 2sec hiccup. But it would be done during menus and before matches not during gameplay.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      they're constantly marketing their product as a world computer but it cannot run multiplayer games. did Dom betray us?

      there is literally multiplayer games running on it right now that work good

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        i'm talking FPS games. shit where milliseconds matter. 2 seconds update is not gonna cut it.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          why does a multiplayer game need to write to the blockchain faster than 2 seconds? Every keystroke isnt being sent in a transaction, nagger

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The game doesnt do any transactions its just hosted by the nodes. When they do something dAppy like charging icp for a gun skin and making sure you own the gun skin, that would be where you see a 2sec hiccup. But it would be done during menus and before matches not during gameplay.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Games on the ICP shouldn't just be dumb nft shit. It should contain everything

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    i don't care about icp but the notion of blockchain games writing to the blockchain often is just false. Even in normal databases you would probably start creating proxies to the database that would pool requests into transactions that hit the database. So you could technically do that on icp eth or any database.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    R1b no longer

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ICP is a scam and Moonman is a scammer.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    https://vocaroo.com/19FUI2vM4VmL

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Makes me smile every time.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Games will use ICP as an asset/achievement/whatever else ledger, the time sensitive stuff like player location runs through a low latency server, no need to have that run on a blockchain... However some people did suggest specialized subnets for low latency so it'll probably be tested at some point, again it's unnecessary though

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Just store saved games and everything on value on chain and host the heavy lifting on a normal server.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    CHAMP > ICP

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Keep stacking piss marines

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Give me an app idea to build on ICP where it:

    1. Benefits from being ICP.
    2. Benefits from being on ICP over Ethereum.

    By Vishnu, I build it sirs, even if Dominic has to approve every node. (I am not going to use fucking Motoko though)

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Clash of clans or monkey balloon type game. Or recreate Pokémon. Or use like Pokémon light platinum rom hack and make it multiplayer enabled where even icp can be on the line for bets. Make a cansister specifically for mobile play as well similar to GBA4iOs or delta

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Hell you could just recreate Pokémmo

        What's the benefit of it being on ICP? Not trolling.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Smart contract based Pokémon match bets. Where you’ll actually win money playing someone if desired. Custom Pokémon nfts similar to what pokemmo marketplace does but you might get sued by Nintendo but pokemmo gets away with it.
          Other than that just bragging rights. You won’t get rich off of it.
          Clash of clans if done correctly you could get rich but you can’t make an exact replica just recreate that style of game with different type of characters

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Hell you could just recreate Pokémmo

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      host single player oldies like red alert 2, or OpenTTD

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Smart contract based Pokémon match bets. Where you’ll actually win money playing someone if desired. Custom Pokémon nfts similar to what pokemmo marketplace does but you might get sued by Nintendo but pokemmo gets away with it.
        Other than that just bragging rights. You won’t get rich off of it.
        Clash of clans if done correctly you could get rich but you can’t make an exact replica just recreate that style of game with different type of characters

        What's the advantage though? That I don't have to take a paypal payment? And instead of a kid figuring out how to snatch their mom's credit card, they need to figure out how to snatch it, register on an exchange, buy a stablecoin, and then trade it to ICP?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Idk dude you’re asking for ideas for a project. If you’re trying to make fucking money come up with your own idea homosexual.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Or just recreate gba4ios in a cansister and then users can link there internet identity and pay with cycle to store roms and save states.
            You won’t make money off of it though just would be a cool project to do

            >If you’re trying to make fucking money come up with your own idea homosexual.

            Well, I am trying to find a use-case for ICP, really.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Blockchain based cloud hosting. For the most part you can pretty much make anything thats on the web and put it on ICP. So come up pretty much with any web application idea

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck, any time I ask in these threads, I realize that there is absolutely no reason to use ICP over throwing shit over into S3 / Azure Blob storage.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                [...]

                Or App Services / Lambda. Unless they come up with truly strong incentives for individuals to host servers AND compete on price.

                Yeah you can use azure, aws, what ever service you want. You’re data though won’t be cryptographically secure, won’t be able to create governance tokens for your applications, and any application you host can get taken down by bezos for any reason at anytime.
                web 3 is a non centralized version of web 2. If you don’t know this then you don’t understand icp. Hell even dfinity created a whole new webstack for icp that I think is much easier to use than traditional stack.
                Basically the users get to control the space rather than 5 centralized monopolies. There are many other use cases for icp, ex: spinner cash is a huge fucking deal.
                If you can’t figure out what’s great about this tech then don’t use it but this is a great time for developers to come over.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >You’re data though won’t be cryptographically secure

                It will be secure to any standard imaginable, both in transit and at rest, you can also control your keys if you want.

                >host can get taken down by bezos for any reason at anytime

                Bezos or Dom, does it make a difference?

                >Hell even dfinity created a whole new webstack for icp that I think is much easier to use than traditional stack.

                Now I know you are talking out of your ass. Motoko is shit and no one uses Web Assembly for anything irl.

                >Basically the users get to control the space rather than 5 centralized monopolies

                This is appealing, if it actually worked out that way.

                > you can’t figure out what’s great about this tech then don’t use it but this is a great time for developers to come over.

                Right, and right now no one is convincing me.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Oh well don’t use the tech. Stop coming into icp threads asking for ideas then telling people who give you ideas what’s the use case you fucking homosexual

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck, any time I ask in these threads, I realize that there is absolutely no reason to use ICP over throwing shit over into S3 / Azure Blob storage.

                Or App Services / Lambda. Unless they come up with truly strong incentives for individuals to host servers AND compete on price.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What's your price comparison for AWS vs. IC?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                None - you can't run on ICP without getting special approval yet and a company cannot even begin to guess at price due to ICP being between $5 and $750.

                In other words, any "pricing" for ICP is complete bullshit.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Do you not understand cycles?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I read "The Language of Computer Hardware and Software" when I was 12 too anon. Understanding cycles and why Big(O) is hardware independent isn't exactly rocket science.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t think you know what cycles are.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Cycle - one execution of a machine instruction, a basic one, like binary addition / subtraction. Varies wildly depending on how good your hardware is.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Dude you’re a retard. Go find out what cycles are on the icp

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >As discussed in Tokens and cycles, ICP tokens can be converted into cycles to power canister operations. Cycles reflect the operational cost of communication, computation, and storage that dapps consume.

                Wow, you are brilliant.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Now go apply that new understanding to the comment where you state the fluctuation of price and hard on companies to start.
                (Same guy off to get my dick sucked)

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What? Are you talking about running a site on AWS or nodes? So what they are approving nodes until the network is supported and strong enough to handle your collection of Raspberry Pis. Who gives a shit.

                Building a site is a no brainer in cost and hosting data isn't even comparable. IC wins both.

                >You’re data though won’t be cryptographically secure

                It will be secure to any standard imaginable, both in transit and at rest, you can also control your keys if you want.

                >host can get taken down by bezos for any reason at anytime

                Bezos or Dom, does it make a difference?

                >Hell even dfinity created a whole new webstack for icp that I think is much easier to use than traditional stack.

                Now I know you are talking out of your ass. Motoko is shit and no one uses Web Assembly for anything irl.

                >Basically the users get to control the space rather than 5 centralized monopolies

                This is appealing, if it actually worked out that way.

                > you can’t figure out what’s great about this tech then don’t use it but this is a great time for developers to come over.

                Right, and right now no one is convincing me.

                >It will be secure to any standard imaginable, both in transit and at rest, you can also control your keys if you want.

                Bezos owns all your keys and your crypto

                >Bezos or Dom, does it make a difference?

                Yes Dom can't shut down your site unilaterally

                >Now I know you are talking out of your ass. Motoko is shit and no one uses Web Assembly for anything irl.

                You can develop in Rust and Azle is going to support typescript.

                >This is appealing, if it actually worked out that way.

                That's exactly how the SNS will work and how the NNS does work.

                >Right, and right now no one is convincing me.

                Go back to the TG you whiny bitch

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Go back to the TG you whiny bitch

                What's a TG? Trade general?

                >Yes Dom can't shut down your site unilaterally

                Neither can Bezos if you have failover to Gates or Brin.

                >You can develop in Rust and Azle is going to support typescript.

                Right, and I don't understand why they don't just go with Rust out of the box and bother with Motoko.

                Thank you btw, this is actually good discussion.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Age of empires, civilization

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Or just recreate gba4ios in a cansister and then users can link there internet identity and pay with cycle to store roms and save states.
      You won’t make money off of it though just would be a cool project to do

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    it's physically impossible to run inputs through a consensus in real time because of the latency differences between servers

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